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#1296891
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Well, forgive me for saying so, but sexism in space is just a stupid argument. Empire couldn’t have any sexist agenda. Only reason why there isn’t many female actresses around is because it was made in the 70’s. Trying to find a in lore explanation for the lack of females in the movies is just pointless. There isn’t many because they didn’t hire many female actresses. They didn’t hire many female actresses because it was the 70’s.

Also to be fair, 99% of the Storm Troopers never talk and all of them are wearing full body armor and helmet, there is no way to determine their gender. Sure, we never see a female officer, but there is no way to say there wasn’t female officers, we never saw all officers. I know that doesn’t sound like it is a great argument, but it was never stated in the movies either way. There is no way to determine one way or another. (I am sure Ady could add a few female Empire officers and a few female Rebels in the edit and to be fair, it would be a brilliant addition, but depending on the difficulty, it might not even worth it. Not to mention these added people wouldn’t be able to speak because adding extra lines would alter the movies too greatly unless it is done in a extremely calculated way.)

We don’t see any female Jedi or Sith in the movies either, does this mean there were no female Jedi or Sith ever? Ignoring the later movies, we never even saw Leia use any Jedi powers, so one could argue maybe being a Jedi is a male thing. You will notice neither argument holds any facts. We are just assuming because of what we see in OT.

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exitzero said:
*Alter Vader’s line to say “Your Mother once thought as you do.”

Alright, I don’t agree everything you said, but this one is something I wholeheartedly agree.

As far as I can recall, other than the damned prequels, there isn’t a single mention of Luke and Leia’s mother in OT. Which is kind of weird in a way and it would be really nice have a little mention like this.

I wouldn’t want Vader to say “Padme”, but a line like “Your Mother once thought as you do.” would fit perfectly.

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ray_afraid said:

That video is showing off the color grading. It’s not the final cut.

I know, I was just nitpicking the original. I used to video to point out some of it.

For Boba Fett, even just taking out the burping close up would be enough for me. In fact, cutting out everything burping related seems like a great idea.

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#1295081
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adywan said:

Sail Barge and The Emperor’s Arrival Comparison Video:

This is how the colour grading for ROTJ:R is getting on. This really does show just how bad the grading of the official Blu-Ray for this film is. It goes from having magenta tint/ over saturated reds to a heavy blue/ cyan cast that, in the opening shot of the TIE’s approaching the Death Star, has completely wiped out any of the other colours that should be there. The swicthes to oversaturated blues and a heavy cyan tint that makes the stormtroopers etc no longer their true white colour. Cyan Scoutroopers?

https://vimeo.com/343682999

I am late to the party, but I have to say, it looks good. I have a few unimportant nitpicks to make though.

In the video, there are quite a few close ups to the alien faces. While normally it is not all that noticeable, close ups make it too obvious they are just rubber masks. They look too static and fake. Especially the brown masked dude behind Luke near the beginning of the video and the little animal thing that messes with C-3PO’s eye. It would be a significant improvement if they could at least blink. It would look a lot nicer and much more realistic. Same applies to Jabba the Hutt, but to a lesser extent. (It would have been nice and fluid if he could at least close his eyes fully while/after he dies.)

Secondly, the line Han Solo speaks while he is freeing Chewbacca from his restraints (He says “Boba Fett?” twice) is clearly (and quite obviously) a copy&paste repetition. (At least sound wise) He doesn’t even need to say it twice. He could say something like “What? Boba Fett? Where?” and it would flow and sound much better.

Lastly, could you remove and/or replace the The Wilhelm scream sound effect? It wasn’t a problem back then, but at this point it is so overused that it only cheapens the entire movie. It is a funny sound, don’t get me wrong, but I suppose it is supposed to be a less funny and more of a heroic moment. At least it is supposed to be. It is working against the movie.

One more minor nitpick, in the last part of the video, during Vader and Emperor’s walk, his face is too bright and his lips are too pink in your version. Color of his face almost appears normal (regular flesh colored), which is the opposite of what it is supposed to look like.

They are just that, nitpicks and nothing more. They are not essential suggestions in any way. I just felt like mentioning.

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TV’s Frink said:

sansuni said:

Tantive3+1 said:

sansuni said:

INVAR said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I still think it’d be nice to add a bit of the Imperial March to the scene when Vader arrives on the Tantive, though that would mean replacing a small bit of original music.

I already created a brief edit to show what that might look and sound like. It’s minimalist, but it works.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/225892219

That’s simply perfect. It nicely fixes up something that always felt missing without disrupting the integrity of the scene. Also, it fits in quite nicely, well done.

I prefer the original audio.

Good for you, I guess?.. I am not sure why you would tell me this

Probably because that’s how discussion forums work. Just guessing though.

That’s not how it works at all. Not to mention, this wasn’t a discussion in the first place. Someone created something and I basically told them “I liked it, well done”, only for someone to come and say what amounts to “but I don’t like it”. He quoted me and no points were made, there was no need, no point and no reason whatsoever.

I mean, how does a forum discussion work out in your head?

Person 1 said:

Person 2 said:

Person 1 said:

Wow, superb job, very well done!

But I don’t like it.

But I like it.

And it goes on forever?

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Tantive3+1 said:

sansuni said:

INVAR said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I still think it’d be nice to add a bit of the Imperial March to the scene when Vader arrives on the Tantive, though that would mean replacing a small bit of original music.

I already created a brief edit to show what that might look and sound like. It’s minimalist, but it works.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/225892219

That’s simply perfect. It nicely fixes up something that always felt missing without disrupting the integrity of the scene. Also, it fits in quite nicely, well done.

I prefer the original audio.

Good for you, I guess?.. I am not sure why you would tell me this, but whatever.

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#1211352
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INVAR said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I still think it’d be nice to add a bit of the Imperial March to the scene when Vader arrives on the Tantive, though that would mean replacing a small bit of original music.

I already created a brief edit to show what that might look and sound like. It’s minimalist, but it works.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/225892219

That’s simply perfect. It nicely fixes up something that always felt missing without disrupting the integrity of the scene. Also, it fits in quite nicely, well done.

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#1104757
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doubleofive said:

TIE Strikers are atmospheric fighters, which might be neat for the ground battle. However, I don’t see when in the battle they could fit. The shield had to be lowered for Tydirium to land, so I’ve always imagined that there’s a shield over at least part of the surface too. Like the cone that goes up and around the DS2 is still a few miles wide on the surface to protect the shield generator from bombing runs. So any kind of aerial battle would have to happen after the shield goes down, which doesn’t leave much opportunity for air strikes.

As for those mourning the PTR, I firmly believe that Adywan was not your last hope. There are plenty of talented people on this forum and others who have been reworking the prequels for years.

Well, they are mainly atmospheric fighters but as Wiki says:

Though designed for atmosphere, it could also function in space and accompany traditional TIE fighters. Equipped with advanced high-speed wings, it was faster than the standard TIE fighter and had two extra pairs of laser barrels.
The starfighter was also useful for shifting supplies and personnel from orbit to the planet surface, thanks to a larger central pod.

They can be used in space and can accompany regular TIE fighters. Their presence in the final battle especially makes sense because it takes place above a planet where it would be most useful for shifting supplies and personnel from orbit to the planet surface and to fend off any attackers if the shield goes down. They should be seen orbiting the planet and moving up to the battle when the fight heats up.

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adywan said:

While it will be next year at least before i write up all the ideas i had for the PT, this is one thing that was worked on. It was to be included in the Complete Saga trailer i had planned, but when decided not to do the PT, it was scrapped and never properly finished, so is still in its very rough stages.

https://youtu.be/JhdKtsZNAHQ

Thats very incredibly awesome. (By the way, I never thought of that, it makes so much more sense story wise and a lot more epic) It is absolutely a shame it will never be.

Bingowings said:

I don’t mean to guilt trip you Ady but this just makes me even more depressed. The PT needs to be done by someone. You were my last hope, cue Yoda 😃

In my opinion, it was only Adywan who could turn the prequels into proper Star Wars movies and no one else. With Adywan out of the picture, prequels are lost forever, as they will never be watchable no matter how much you cut them. (Mostly because it needs a special touch only Adywan level editing could provide.) But no one could blame him as it is a massive undertaking and OT took so much of his time as it is.

ClownBaby said:

Glad to see the SE elements being removed. Especially Jedi Rocks. Ady, will you be restoring the original or just cutting it out altogether? I never felt like the Jabbas Palace scene needed a song and dance number

I would agree, it always seemed odd that there is a musical number at that scene. (I mean, this was supposed to be the first time we see the big bad boss “Jabba the Hutt” as he was only mentioned in the first movie, there should have been a little mystery, a little suspense… but BOOOM! a silly musical number with dancing and stuff.) Not to mention it was already weird before and SE made it so much worse. Only thing I would keep from the SE would be the Twi’lek slave girl scene (you know, where he throws her in the pit to be eaten), because that scene could be used for bit of a foreshadowing and it made Jabba the Hutt seem a little bit more menacing. (a total disregard for life)

adywan said:

Yes, a female voice will be reinstated for that pilot. The deleted scenes for ROTJ, for the most part, are very low quality. No amount of cleaning and upscaling could get those shots acceptable for a HD film. This includes all of the Jerjerrod scenes. The only ones that have really any chance of fitting in are the Falcon interior scenes.

It is really awesome that you are adding and restoring (well, partly at least) female pilots.
It is entirely up to you, but I have a question/suggestion for you.
Since you are already building sets and costumes to use it on this project, would you consider adding female pilots to ANH:R-HD as well? (I am only suggesting it here because… well… it is relevant here, since you are already going to build everything necessary to do such a thing for RotJ:R, you could do the scenes for the both movies in a single take) All three of these movies have a serious lack of female characters (not to mention there are female pilots in the meeting, but no female pilots in the fight) and it could be used to flesh out the first Deathstar fight we see.

Lastly, how do you guys feel about adding a few TIE Striker’s? I mean, the rebellion has so many cool ships and fighters, but on the Empires side there is little to no variety.
https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/tie-striker_21f90de5.jpeg
It looks cool and adding some diversity would be visually stunning.

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Seems like no one actually read the whole thing I wrote. I talked about reducing the impact Ewoks cause, I do realize cutting or replacing them entirely would be near impossible at best.

Adyone already said he would be removing slapstick Ewok moments, I was just suggesting restoring some of the deleted bunker scenes and removing even more in a tasteful manner.

Either way,

Jani-wan said:

sansuni said:

Ewoks … They are absolutely ridiculous and only exist to appeal kids and to sell toys.

Wrong. It’s an urban legend. Absolutely nothing to do with kids and toys.
They only exist because Chewbacca got a main role, therefore they could not be Wookies anymore, as they were in early drafts.
Since it is impossible to replace Ewoks with Wookies, getting rid of Ewoks is getting rid of Star Wars, as they were always part of it, from the very first draft.

You do realize you are contradicting yourself… First you say it was Wookies in the early drafts, then you say Ewoks was part of it from the very first draft. And it is not an urban legend. George Lucas always had this mindset of adding slapstick moments and adding characters that would (in his opinion) appeal kids and make good toys. Just look at Gungans and Jar Jar, whole reason they exist is the same as well. One could argue, getting rid of them getting rid of Star Wars as they WERE a part of it from the very first draft. But we both know no one, including myself, would agree to that. (in this case, it is actually true, they were in the first draft and your argument is invalid)

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I agree with everyone, Jedi Rocks is terrible and it needs to go, but lets face it, Lapti Nek was pretty bad and ridiculous as well. Restoring Lapti Nek as it is would be no improvement at all. I am not certain what could be done about it, but I am sure it could be improved upon.

Also, with all do respect to Sebastian Shaw, I think it would be better if he wasn’t restored to the ending of the movie as a force ghost and he was replaced with David Prowse. (because, you know, he deserves to be in the movie in a more clear way)
http://i.imgur.com/cybbUhh.jpg
They do seem to have a slight resemblance. (a really slight resemblance, more than Sebastian Shaw anyway.) And it would be better if masked of Darth Vader had a voice closer to James Earl Jones’s voice. (I don’t know, maybe someone could make an impersonation of him, same could be said for young Anakin Skywalker from the prequels, a James Earl Jones impersonation would help with that too.) But, as we see Darth Vader without his mask on near the end of the movie and it is obviously the face of Sebastian Shaw, I am not certain if it would be possible to make it work.

By the way, Luke’s deleted lightsaber construction scene was awesome. I would love it if it was restored somehow.

Lastly, I completely agree with everyone who stated Ewoks should be reduced/gotten rid off. They are absolutely ridiculous and only exist to appeal kids and to sell toys. And the way they defeat Storm Troopers with their primitive weapons is ridiculously funny at best. (Not to mention even though “funny” has a place in the Star Wars movies, too much of it just distracts from the experience in a bad way.) I would suggest reducing their impact from the movie. I like the suggestion of adding more rebels. Perhaps some of the deleted scenes could be restored to accomplish that.

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mfastx said:

Porkins is hilarious, gotta keep him in there.

Yeah, but thats part of my point… This isn’t a campy, “so bad that it’s good” kind of movie. It isn’t supposed to be hilarious.

I mean, sure, it does have some funny moments, but those are intentional and they would only work for that part of the story. An action scene being hilarious while it should have been exciting or emotional doesn’t work. Again, it worked when we were kids because we didn’t notice these things… I mean, some of us genuinely thought Ewoks were cool at the time after all. (Even though Ewoks were Gungan’s of the original trilogy, even though they are not as terrible as Gungan’s.)

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CarboniteSolo said:

His stale acting won him a part in Raiders of the Lost Ark. He was one of the two actors that came to Dr. Jones near the beginning of the film, after Dr. Jones gives his class to his students, he meets with them to talk about the Ark of the Covenant.

He kind of fits better in that setting though. It is more believable. (at least more so than him being a fighter pilot while he would barely be able to fit in the cockpit of the fighter he is supposed to be piloting.) And his acting isn’t as stale in Raiders of the Lost Ark because it is easier to deliver those lines.

Lastly, this is why I haven’t made this suggestion in the original thread in the first place. People are too overprotective of the original trilogy’s faults. Even I am one of those people.

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Well, I had this suggestion in my mind for years now, but for some reason I never made it.

It is about original trilogy… As we all know, it badly lacks female characters, any possible female characters with some lines were cut and some of the others were shortened and dubbed over by male actors. (female pilot in episode six for example) So why not remedy this? Add some female characters with lines to the OT and make it a bit more diverse. In the end why wasn’t female characters included in the film? They said it was because their acting wasn’t very good, but is acting of the all male actors great in the final movie? I am not actually suggesting new characters should be added out of nowhere, that would disrupt the flow of the movie, what I am suggesting is, some bad, out of place actors with lines should be replaced.

For example, A New Hope:


This is a character called (to add insult to the injury) Porkins. As far as I remember, he is never been referred by that name in the movie, but yeah… He is better known by his code name Red Six. His acting is quite stale (though thankfully he doesn’t have many lines), he is really out of place (he really looks like he doesn’t belong there, look at him, he is so overweight he can’t even connect the straps of his helmet) and overall he is just terrible. (and he is quite forgettable save the fact he is remembered as the fat pilot by many)

So how about replacing him with her:

She was a cut character from episode six, sadly she doesn’t actually have any footage available (not in color anyway) but it could be made to work. (just get a cosplayer with the correct costume to do a few shots and replace it with Red Six.)

I mean, I know it is unlikely Adywan to do something like this for ANHR-HD but in my opinion, it would work beautifully. (getting rid of a bad character while gaining much needed female character with lines? Hell yeah.)

There could be several more examples where something like this could work. I can’t think of any, but surely OT would have benefited from it.

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adywan said:

say what you will about the ANH duel, but it’s way better than this one , and that is with having the tech to use digital doubles:

https://youtu.be/n3DHDXAzoBA

I have no idea how to describe that… it feels like it should be good by any means, but it is plain horrible. Like lightsabers have no weight or impact to them. Also, it might be just me but they sound all wrong as well.

Also, it doesn’t count, with certain exceptions, prequels suck something major anyway.

Lastly, guys, please try to understand, I am not saying the whole dynamic and impact of the scene should be changed turned into something it isn’t. I am not saying it should be more like the lightsaber fights before or after ANH, I am not saying it should have some fancy moves or force powers or anything like that. I am not even saying that it should be extended or something. (but like I previously mentioned, there are unused shots from different camera angles that could be used for that purpose) I am just saying it should be improved a bit, it should be better than this. Even just toning down the ridiculous parts a bit would be enough. (Especially that weird, pointless spin that has no place or purpose there.)

That move especially problematic and it is painfully obvious to anyone who has held a sword before. Since Ben doesn’t even hit anything with that spin (not to mention it is nearly impossible for him to hit anything outside a choreographed sparring) he just looks like an idiot who got lucky for not getting killed that instant. I mean who does something like that in front of their enemy? Either way, I am just gonna drop the issue. I don’t want to stretch this issue any longer than it deserves. I just hope you guys can see reason in this.

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Jeebus said:

Anjohan said:

I love how everyone makes up their own stories and reasons as to why the ANH saber fight doesn’t look like shit - when it does, and the only reason is because they were limited to the extent they had to do slow movements close to eachother to not destroy the props and/or the glowing effect.

People try to justify it because the answer you’re giving just isn’t satisfying. Out-of-universe answers in general aren’t satisfying.

But that’s not the issue here is it… You could make up an in universe explanation and make justification for every fault this movie has and there would be no need for a project like this…

Why do colors look weird in the Deathstar? - Faulty wiring in the lighting system.
Why do colors look weird in Tattoine then? - Because the sun in that system is about to go supernova, in fact any day now.
Why does R2-D2 appear in front on Ben Kenobi and Luke Skywalker when it was way behind them in the previous shot? - Well, because it had teleportation capability all along, it just wasn’t using it since it didn’t want to show off, duh!
Why does Obi-Wan Kenobi turns into a dummy/puppet of himself just when Vader is about to kill him? - It is an old Jedi trick, it is the old Ben Kenobi to dummy switcheroo, here we go.

These projects exists to solve these issues, so it is no use to cover for them. I am not saying we should go with the Lucas route and make many pointless and mostly ridiculous changes to this movie, I am just saying there are issues, mostly do to technical limitations at the time these movies made like @Anjohan said and there are issues do to piss poor editing. (and I am not saying editing is always piss poor, it is just piss poor here) If you want to watch the original trilogy unaltered, the way you remember as a child, then you are in the wrong place. That’s what Harmy’s despecilized editions are for. Here is the place those issues get fixed, so you don’t have to make up a ridiculous in universe explanation that conflicts with the universe in the first place.

Valheru_84 said:

Definitely an improvement Sanduni on the original and interesting that they did it by removing bits and pieces. All the same, I never have and never will have an issue with the original since that’s what I grew up watching and remembering and I think people need to remember and respect the time and age this movie was made in. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say but watching this for the first time as a kid, you never knew any better, you were sucked into the movie and seeing your first lightsaber battle was freaking awesome!

That aside, being Ady’s edit and essentially what the actual SEs should have been I wouldn’t mind seeing an upgraded fight just like you linked included in this version since I know I’m not watching the original theatrical. I’ll watch Harmys DSE for that ;D

.Val

Yeah, but it is no use to look at this issue with nostalgia googles. Like you have said, it was probably fine when we were watching as a child, when we didn’t know any better, but this is not a movie for kids.

So I am glad you agree to some degree. There were lots of issues with the original trilogy and Ady’s project is to fix them. (Though its still his project and he decides what to fix and what to leave alone, so it is entirely up to him. But still, I wholly hope he sees things the way we see and fixes these issues when it comes the time to make ANHR HD. We can hope.)

Anjohan said:

I love how everyone makes up their own stories and reasons as to why the ANH saber fight doesn’t look like shit - when it does, and the only reason is because they were limited to the extent they had to do slow movements close to eachother to not destroy the props and/or the glowing effect.

It had nothing to do with “Vader is being restricted because his last fight didn’t go so well”. Or “Vader is testing his ground”. They were simply restricted; end of story.

I agree fully. Some people just can’t get rid of their nostalgia googles and see it for what it is. Issued caused by limitations, technical issues and bad editing. They just make up a in universe explanation for it and ignore how ridiculous it actually is. I honestly don’t get it.

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jedimasterobiwan said:

Bingowings said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

Don’t yell at me just asking how long until the a new hope revisited hd and jedi revisited hd will be out give or take? 10 20 years and no i’m not being a sarcastic. I’m just curious because i’m really looking forward to it and just was wondering that’s all. For the record i’m not trying to sound pushy i’m just curious that all. Because to me these are the complete versions of the original star wars trilogy

Why do you ask this when you know from asking about Empire that nobody, not even Ady knows for sure and it’s kind of annoying?
It shouldn’t​ take as long as ESB:R as some of the delays there were unique life events and technology and skills have improved. But life happens while we make plans. Patience. For the Jedi it is time to eat as well 😃

I’m sorry it’s only because i want to watch all three of the original trilogy revisited hd that’s all and watching empire revisted hd without a new hope revisited hd bothers me.

Well, just to inform you, it has been stated that it will not take as long as it did for ESBR, but what that means is anyone’s guess and it could be just an optimistic estimation. In the end it will be coming when it is ready and there won’t be any release dates or anything like that. So there is no point in asking.

Bingowings said:

Jeebus said:

sansuni said:

looks like Darth Vader is holding back for no reason whatsoever.

He’s holding back because the last time he fought Obi-Wan, things didn’t go very well for him. He was right to play it safe.

Well yes. Also in Empire Vader is fighting someone who has been practicing for a few months. If anything he is testing Luke’s potential so he is throwing all manner of fancy shapes at him. Vader in Jedi is more like Vader in Star Wars. He is cautious slow. His only flourish is throwing his sword to break the gantry. Luke is more like Vader in Empire during the Jedi fight. Because foreshadowing and because he has been doing this long enough now to have a false sense of security. I agree that the spin looks a bit awkward in Star Wars. sadly it looks like Jeremy Corbyn might be free in a few months. Maybe he could film some inserts 😂

While I understand where you are coming from, but you are just justifying many of the flaws of this scene. Sure, what you said could have been true, but we both know Darth Vader isn’t the type to hold back. He sure as hell never held back for any reason before. Not to mention Obi-Wan doesn’t give him much of a fight in the first place. This is the first lightsaber duel we ever witness and it is between two seasoned Jedi masters, it should have been better than this, not a roughly cut, awkward mess. I am not saying lets extend it, add scenes to it to make it more epic, though I am guessing it could have benefited from a well placed scene or too, I am not talking about that. I am just saying that awkwardness should be taken away.

Please compare this with the original and tell me if it doesn’t look kind of better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvu_AAxSXd4

(Note, above video omits the scenes of Luke, Han and Leia, just to show off the duel between Obi-Wan and Vader, ignore that. Those scenes shouldn’t be changed.)

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Bingowings said:

I totally disagree. The Obi Wan/Vader duel is only inconsistent with the prequels which had acrobats doing back flips and spiralling barrel rolls wearing Christopher Lee’s or Ian McDiarmid’s face. In the context of the original trilogy it looks like what it is. Two seasoned skilled fighters making very careful moves against appointments armed with very, very dangerous blades.

So you call that whole spinning action normal?

Also, I disagree with your point. I wasn’t talking about the prequels (god, I hate prequels, that’s why I tried to edit them but it was too much for me to handle properly) I was talking about the other two movies of the original trilogy. Darth Vader’s whole fighting style is different. Not to mention Vader shows much grater skill, strength and mobility in the other two OT movies that he lack in this scene. Both actors movements look weird and restricted. And there is that whole spinning action Obi-Wan takes, which is ridiculous on its own right. If you were fighting with someone and you did that in front of that person, an utterly useless and pointless action, you would have been dead that moment. (all it would take for that person to extend their arm a little bit to slice you while you are spinning, you are completely defenseless) It doesn’t take much to see it serves no purpose. Obi-Wan doesn’t even hit anything, he just spins for no reason and they continue where they left off. Lastly, they are trying to best each other, it is not a battle of wits. (well, in Obi-Wan’s case, he might be trying to buy time for his friends) But instead, they clash their lightsabers, stand around a bit, they clash it again, Obi-Wan waves around his light saber a bit, takes a spin for no reason and they clash it again and so son. It is nothing like to other two original trilogy movies.

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I don’t know, Obi-Wan igniting first never really bothered me. New Obi-Wan igniting lightsaber scene looks a lot better than the original. I mean, sure Ady-Wan could have rearrange those scenes to make sure Vader ignites first and that would have been the best of both worlds, but guys, lets face it, original lightsaber fight sucked anyway. Do to technical limitations at the time, it is both inconsistent with the OT and it doesn’t make much sense in the first place. There isn’t much fighting going on and it mostly looks like Darth Vader is holding back for no reason whatsoever. So the way I see it, there is nothing you can do to it that will ruin it or make it worse than it already is.

I mean, there is minimal movement of the lightsabers (because at the time if they moved it too fast, it wouldn’t glow properly), both actors move very awkwardly (again, do to technical limitations at the time) and Obi-Wan Kenobi just spins around for no reason whatsoever. (mostly do to bad editing)

With that spinning part, that scene should have ended like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4jqWha2zqY

I think this kind of works better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvu_AAxSXd4

I mean, Obi-Wan might be weak do to age, but he doesn’t have to look ridiculous.

Also, I don’t know if it can be used, but in “Star Wars Featurette: The Birth of the Lightsaber” (starting from 3:05) there is an unused footage of the same fighting scene from a different angle. Maybe that could be useful in the future…

Any improvement to that scene would go a long way.

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ray_afraid said:

Adding a K-2 droid to the background of a scene in the Death Star isn’t at all “adding random nonsense” like Lucas did.
You could say that the battle droid Ady added to the sandcrawler is closer to that kind of tinkering, and even that isn’t the same at all. These small changes can help thread the galaxy together.

Yeah, that was my argument. Like I have said, “it makes sense to see KX-series droids on the Death Star”. I thought that was clear. My mistake.

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Bingowings said:

Adding a few KX-series security droids on the Death Star wouldn’t hurt.

I am very conflicted about this suggestion. (and by suggestions like this in general) On one hand, I don’t want to see Original Trilogy changed too much, I mean, that’s what George Lucas did and he almost ruined the Original Trilogy by adding random nonsense to it. (that’s why we are all hoping Adywan will someday edit prequels and make them more like the original trilogy in the first place)
But on the other hand I really liked K-2SO in Rouge One and it kind of makes sense to see KX-series droids on the Death Star. (and the design of KX-series makes much more sense than say… that torture droid with a weird needle for example.)

In the end, it will be up to Ady to make that decision and he is known to add things like these when it makes sense. (He added a battle droid head to the scrap inside the Sandcrawler for example.)

So just maybe we may see a KX-series droid in the Death Star scenes, probably in the background during in ANH:R-HD. Just maybe.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Wait – Luke still doesn’t have a sombrero?

Fuck this. I’m sticking with SE 7.0.

Oh that, I fixed that issue with my latest 8K release.

(This one didn’t turn out as well as the first one but… did you know how hard it is to find a decent picture of a sombrero that could be used to photoshop something like this? I didn’t.)

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jedimasterobiwan said:

screw you i was saying like a preview image

Well, this was supposed to stay a secret, but since you insisted, I guess Ady won’t mind if I share it with you.

I am Adywan from about 20 years into the future, by the time I had finished RotJ:R, Disney had released 10 other Star Wars movies, so I went a little bonkers. Maybe… I thought some characters from the prequels didn’t get enough attention so…

Mistakes were made…