rpvee

I would be interested in hearing these!

DMC said:

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Glad I could give you guys a good laugh!

Thank you! lol. Here’s my own little attempt I edited too quickly to sound good, but wanted to share a laugh too. Warning, there’s some language. xD

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gy7q64UL0hNr8pED0GIASCXLucQRcP5b/view?usp=drivesdk

DMC said:

This is a lot of fun. The possibilities are endless! 😂

Anyway, I’m listening to the commentary track now. It’s a real treat!!

Would you be willing to share the clip without any Threepio dialogue so we can have a legit meme format to use? lol

Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but apparently the version of TROS on Disney+ is now a lot less blue?

Hal 9000 said:

Cool! I wonder if there’s ever been an alternate recording of the track. That may help it feel like it’s what was originally done.

There are several other variations of it beyond the main album version, used in other parts of the Phantom Menace.

adywan said:

Just saw this screengrab of the 4k version. Bad news. It looks the same colour grading as the 2004/2011 versions. Vaders green lights are Blue in those versions yet fine in the 97 version. If they do have the exact same grading problems that have only ever been present in the versions taken from the 2k master done for the DVD’s/ Blu-rays then these aren’t new transfers, just upscales

ROTJ is the one that we’ll be able to tell for sure if they are new transfers or just upscales. If that film still has the “out of focus” scanning problems as they approach Endor, right up to the speeder bike chance, then they are the same 2004 masters

I read a comment elsewhere that that scene has been fixed.

DavidMDaut said:

Not sure if this has already been discussed elsewhere, but the first six movies open with the '94 version of the 20th Century Fox title and the 2015 version of the Lucasfilm logo, but otherwise seem identical to the 2011 release.

EDIT: ChainsawAsh beat me to it.

Reportedly not identical. People are saying it’s a whole new color grade or transfer, and so far, Star Wars/New Hope has at least one new change.

It’s quite concerning if they’re still making changes, and outright changing the timing of scenes by adding shots, in 2019. I wonder if Lucas was consulted?

Quite curious to see if any other changes were made. If Hayden is in TROS, it’d be great if they could’ve filmed him properly for the end of Jedi instead of using a costume test.

Still, it’s awful they’d still be making changes while not allowing the original versions to be seen alongside them.

I, like many others online, am thinking Dark Rey is a clone.

My theory is Rey and her clones are the result of Palpatine’s experiments, which began long ago. Getting cloning tech access, and perfecting it to use on Force wielders (whether for an army or vessels for Palpatine’s spirit, tbd) were the Clone Wars’ other purpose beyond exterminating the Jedi - tying everything together from the beginning.

Also would explain why Rey sees reflections of herself in the cave on Ahch-To when she asks to see her parents, as others have mentioned.

I really think this might be it. It gives an even larger scale to Palpatine’s schemes from TPM through the Clone Wars and beyond.

crissrudd4554 said:

Anyone notice they used a ROTS image of Vader on the ROTJ cover??

Worse - it’s actually from The Force Unleashed video game.

I was concerned about CGI on Chewie too, but Rian Johnson just replied to me on Twitter (I’m freaking out lol) confirming he’s not CG’d at all. Something does seem off about the shot… maybe it’ll look better on the big screen.

Strange coincidence that there’s a discussion about how good or bad ROTJ is, because I just saw it tonight with the music performed live to screen by the New York Philharmonic Orchestra, and it really hit me just how poor the film is compared to the previous two installments (which I saw with the Philharmonic as well just in the past couple weeks). Seeing them all so close together is probably a big part of why the iffiness of Jedi was so glaring tonight.

The sister reveal never really bugged me - the history behind Luke and Leia’s births and separation makes it understandable to me and not small-universe-ish at all. However, what DID hit me tonight is just how out of the blue a major plot thread of the film is: Luke believing there’s still good in Vader. There’s absolutely zero reason for the viewer to think that, let alone Luke after the hell Vader causesd in ESB, but then when talking with Obi-Wan on Dagobah, Luke suddenly says he thinks Vader still has good in him and can be saved. Where the heck did that come from?!

I do think it’s very interesting they acknowledge the SE’s were not only sources of debate, but also brought into question “the definition of authorship and the privileges of ownership”. That’s a big statement to be coming from them, isn’t it? Admitting that there are some ethical questions behind the changes?

Mocata said:

lovelikewinter said:

James Cameron is a douche who only gets away with it because most of his movies turn out decent. Good luck on people caring about the 5 million Avatar sequels.

James Cameron hasn’t made a classic movie since 1991. But they are some of the best movies ever so it’s hard to complain. He is a douche though hahahah.

Sorry, I know this is a late reply and off topic, but this statement is ridiculous. Titanic, anyone?

SilverWook said:

As I said before, invoking Lucas is a double edged sword, as his words have been used before, and he’s not on the best terms with Disney after the “white slavers” comment.

Wasn’t he given some kind of Disney legends honor thing after that? And he’s been at the movie premiers and Celebration. I think they’re okay now.

rpvee said:

I agree with those who have said the letter should focus less on the impact the films had on viewers during their original runs, and more on the legacy of the films themselves. Those award winning elements, such as the sound and visual effects, have been tampered with or erased. Crucial parts of American cinematic history have been replaced with more modern technologies with no acknowledgement of what came before (not to mention, I saw a great post somewhere that pointed out how the CGI used to replace the practical effects has dated far worse than the original effects did). And I do think citing Lucas’ words about preserving films is important here.

How about something like this? Rough, but at least an idea…

"Dear Lucasfilm and Disney,

In March, 1988, a visionary film director stood before the United States Congress with a plea. This man had overseen the creation of a series of films that in just five short years, had become legendary installments in American cinematic history. He had seen his vision fulfilled, had made his fortune, and could have used his influence in many ways, yet he chose to use that power before Congress to speak on the importance of preserving the history his own trilogy had become a part of.

“Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder,” this director claimed. “It will soon be possible to create a new ‘original’ negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control.” His name was George Lucas, and his own contribution to the legacy of American cinema was known as the Star Wars trilogy.

Despite Lucas’ words, that legendary trilogy has indeed been altered in our own modern day, with the original versions of those films unavailable for purchase, and unrecognized by the very studio that produced them. Digital effects from the late 1990’s, that grow weaker in appearance with every passing year, have replaced the Academy Award winning practical effects that thrilled audiences worldwide from 1977 to 1983 (and still could today). The experiences that were had in theaters during those original theatrical releases inspired generations of people, sparked the imaginations of children who would go on to become today’s great filmmakers, and provided a true sense of wonder and escapism from whatever troubles plagued those who sought refuge for a couple glorious hours in a galaxy far, far away.

We fans of the original, unaltered Star Wars trilogy (affectionately called the “OUT” for short) do not expect, or necessarily want, the digitally enhanced “Special Edition” versions of the trilogy to be removed from official canon, as the ever expanding Star Wars universe depends on elements found in those versions, and vice-versa. What we do want, however, is for the “OUT” to receive a proper and thorough restoration to the highest standards possible with today’s technology. Furthermore, we would like this restoration to be released to honor such important entries in the great chronology of developments in American cinema, and to rekindle the tremendous amounts of nostalgia that would come with such a release for so many who would gladly purchase it.

To forever pretend that the only available versions of the Star Wars trilogy are the only worthy representations of the films’ contributions to film making history, with their digital enhancements, is a true injustice to the groundbreaking innovations made in 1977, 1980, and 1983. We hope that you realize this, and right this creative wrong by acknowledging and honoring these legendary parts of American culture.

Thank you, and with much respect,

The members of OriginalTrilogy.com, and Star Wars fans worldwide"

Thoughts?

Anyone? 😕

Possessed said:

Maybe something about the work of the original motion control pioneers deserving to be seen and to not have their revolutionary accomplishments be buried.

I think my draft a couple posts above generally captured that need - the need to preserve such technological and creative innovations. 😃

I agree with those who have said the letter should focus less on the impact the films had on viewers during their original runs, and more on the legacy of the films themselves. Those award winning elements, such as the sound and visual effects, have been tampered with or erased. Crucial parts of American cinematic history have been replaced with more modern technologies with no acknowledgement of what came before (not to mention, I saw a great post somewhere that pointed out how the CGI used to replace the practical effects has dated far worse than the original effects did). And I do think citing Lucas’ words about preserving films is important here.

How about something like this? Rough, but at least an idea…

"Dear Lucasfilm and Disney,

In March, 1988, a visionary film director stood before the United States Congress with a plea. This man had overseen the creation of a series of films that in just five short years, had become legendary installments in American cinematic history. He had seen his vision fulfilled, had made his fortune, and could have used his influence in many ways, yet he chose to use that power before Congress to speak on the importance of preserving the history his own trilogy had become a part of.

“Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder,” this director claimed. “It will soon be possible to create a new ‘original’ negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control.” His name was George Lucas, and his own contribution to the legacy of American cinema was known as the Star Wars trilogy.

Despite Lucas’ words, that legendary trilogy has indeed been altered in our own modern day, with the original versions of those films unavailable for purchase, and unrecognized by the very studio that produced them. Digital effects from the late 1990’s, that grow weaker in appearance with every passing year, have replaced the Academy Award winning practical effects that thrilled audiences worldwide from 1977 to 1983 (and still could today). The experiences that were had in theaters during those original theatrical releases inspired generations of people, sparked the imaginations of children who would go on to become today’s great filmmakers, and provided a true sense of wonder and escapism from whatever troubles plagued those who sought refuge for a couple glorious hours in a galaxy far, far away.

We fans of the original, unaltered Star Wars trilogy (affectionately called the “OUT” for short) do not expect, or necessarily want, the digitally enhanced “Special Edition” versions of the trilogy to be removed from official canon, as the ever expanding Star Wars universe depends on elements found in those versions, and vice-versa. What we do want, however, is for the “OUT” to receive a proper and thorough restoration to the highest standards possible with today’s technology. Furthermore, we would like this restoration to be released to honor such important entries in the great chronology of developments in American cinema, and to rekindle the tremendous amounts of nostalgia that would come with such a release for so many who would gladly purchase it.

To forever pretend that the only available versions of the Star Wars trilogy are the only worthy representations of the films’ contributions to film making history, with their digital enhancements, is a true injustice to the groundbreaking innovations made in 1977, 1980, and 1983. We hope that you realize this, and right this creative wrong by acknowledging and honoring these legendary parts of American culture.

Thank you, and with much respect,

The members of OriginalTrilogy.com, and Star Wars fans worldwide"

Thoughts?

oojason said:

anyone figured what the whispers are in the trailer - if you listen carefully you can hear these whispers - but I can’t make them out…

I believe it’s Leia’s message to Obi-Wan from ANH when we see her from the back, Obi-Wan talking about the Dark Side corrupting from ANH when we see Kylo’s helmet, and the last whisper is Yoda from ESB talking about the Force surrounding.

rpvee said:

As for the Celebration surprise(s), someone mentioned earlier the possibility of it being a Lucas appearance. That would be fitting, and I don’t think anyone said the surprise would be any kind of announcement. If anything, the big surprise being merchandise of any kind, including a new home media release, would probably get an underwhelming “making the fans buy the same movies again” response, OOT or not. That doesn’t sound like a fitting enough surprise for such a huge panel.

Just gonna quote myself here, before everyone gets all disappointed that an unrealistic announcement wasn’t announced.

DominicCobb said:

bishabosha said:

They’re playing Leia’s theme live conducted by John Williams

Oh fuck

And now the Main Title.

JOHN WILLIAMS

JOHN WILLIAMS

Just showed Carrie/Leia’s TLJ costume.

It’s back now.