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#1045251
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My idea for Terminator 6
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So the other day I got bored and started thinking about what this supposed “half reboot, half confusion” movie for the Terminator franchise could possibly be like. I jotted down some ideas and because I don’t really know where else to put them, I figured I could share them here.

So without further ado, for those who give a shit, here’s my pointless fan-outline for Terminator 6:

Its the 1950s. Picture like a Grease/ Happy Days type of setting. We see a bunch of teenagers in leather jackets with DA haircuts drinking egg creams and eating burgers while listening to some Elvis on a jukebox at a restaurant. Everyone is having a good time. We start to focus in on this one particular couple, Sean and Jane. Since they’re with all their friends, they’re acting like everything is fine, but we as the audience can tell that something is not quite right.

Later on, the two of them are alone at a drive-in, and we find out that the reason they’re not quite getting along these days is cause one wants to go steady and the other doesn’t (yeah, I’m really pushing the 1950s angle here). Suddenly (you guessed it!), a terminator shows up. It’s not old Arnold or cgi young Arnold. It’s just a new terminator that we’ve never seen before. Let’s just say he’s the T-4000 (they’re running out of numbers for these things). He reeks havoc at the drive-in and chases Sean and Jane into the woods (think like a really classic horror-style sorta sequence). Just when it looks like they’re fucked, a reprogrammed terminator shows up. Again, it’s not Arnold. I imagine him being pretty similar to that Marcus character from Terminator Salvation. But because I don’t want to make direct ties to that film, lets just say this guy is named Mark. Anyway, he saves the young couple and gets them away from the T-4000 and to some place where they’re safe for the time being. There, he explains (not in these exact words):

“your future daughter will have a son who becomes the messiah of the post-apocalyptic world. because of that, this thing called skynet has sent terminators back in time to try to kill both your daughter as well as her son. None of their attempts at this have worked, though, so now they’ve decided to backtrack a step and try to kill the two of you instead.”

The bulk of the film then progresses pretty similarly to the original terminator film, with Sean and Jane growing closer together. Soon enough, they have sex.

Eventually, Mark manages to blow the T-4000 to pieces (some fragments still remain scattered around), but in order to pull this off he is forced to sacrifice himself in a way where he is destroyed as well (but again, fragments of him still remain).

Not too long after, Sean and Jane have decided to try to “fight fire with fire” in order to stop skynet once and for all. By having previously gotten information from Mark before he died, they come up with a plan. Jane breaks into the home of the couple who will go on to give birth to Miles Dyson, the founder of Skynet, while Sean breaks into the home of the ancestor of the person who will someday invent time travel (just cause its the 1950s, lets say this person is named Doc Brown).

Just like how Sarah Connor has a gun pointed to a defenseless Miles in T2, both Jane and Sean have guns pointed at their defenseless targets. Furthermore, just like Sarah did in T2, Jane comes to her senses and realizes what she is doing is morally wrong, so she lowers her gun and lets the Dysons live…Sean, on the other hand, pulls the trigger. He kills the ancestor of whoever will invent time travel, thus preventing all of the other movies in the series from ever being able to happen.

The Dysons agree to let Jane go without pressing any charges. Sean, on the other hand, is jailed for life. Some time later, Jane finds out she’s pregnant with his baby (remember, they fucked earlier). So Sarah and John Conor are both still born, and skynet still happens cause Jane let the Dysons live, but in this version of the cycle, time travel doesn’t exist, so skynet no longer has their “time travel plan b” thing to fall back on once John defeats them and wins the war in the future. So now not only is the franchise totally reset, but its locked in a fixated timeline so the filmmakers can no longer use time travel as a stupid retcon in future films.

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#1038443
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Need help with a TFA Rewrite
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Wannabe Scholar said:

rocknroll41 said:

Wannabe Scholar said:

Hello everyone I’ve been having a bit of trouble with my TFA rewrite for sometime. I do have an idea as to how the story should take place: A single change in history changes the positions of two SW characters (and more), as young Rey, a student of the Knights of Ren, is sent out to find Kylo Ren, who is going by the name “Jacen.” Rey, captured by Jacen and Finn (who just deserted), is strolled along for the ride and slowly begins accept the Jedi way, after meeting some Jedi (who are alive and well) on Hosnian Prime. Of course, Han would serve as the mentor role and be killed off in this story (not sure if it’ll be as obvious as in the actual TFA, but hey).

One problem is regarding one of my ideas for this rewrite. That being: kill off every OT core cast member throughout my TFA and the installments afterwards (which are more based on specualation than the actual upcoming films). Because of Carrie Fisher’s passing, I thought it would be in bad taste to do kill her off (which would be passing in her sleep after being fired upon by Star Destroyers).

The other problem is, since I put the story off, I have been questioning the roles of Rey and Kylo Ren. Originally, I wanted Rey to be with the bad guys, so we can get a better insight into them. At the same time, I realized that film TFA Rey was meant to be someone whom the audience can relate to the best (what with Rey nostalgic for the Rebel vs Empire time and whatnot, as shown with her litte “memorabilia”). My version of Rey doesn’t match that so much, but I found her so interesting to write about (or jot notes, anyway).

If you guys have any advice/thoughts that could help, I’d appreciate it. Thanks.

Yeah in one of my older TFA rewrites I combined Rey and Finn into one character and had her start off as a stormtrooper in training on a small First Order base off on a desert planet. I figured if you show her struggling to get along with everyone else there and questioning her place in the world, so to speak, you can have her start out with the bad guys yet still be relatable to the audience.

That is true, but another problem I had was trying to tie the search of the First Jedi Temple into the plot because SPOILERS Luke is dead before the story even starts SPOILERS. Then, there’s the Skywalker saber, since I was giving it a bigger role in the search since the piece of the special map was hidden in it (a la Brackett’s old draft of ESB). Oh well. I’ll see what I can do…

Best of luck! Having Luke be dead even before the beginning is certainly a bold choice.

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#1037624
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Need help with a TFA Rewrite
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Wannabe Scholar said:

Hello everyone I’ve been having a bit of trouble with my TFA rewrite for sometime. I do have an idea as to how the story should take place: A single change in history changes the positions of two SW characters (and more), as young Rey, a student of the Knights of Ren, is sent out to find Kylo Ren, who is going by the name “Jacen.” Rey, captured by Jacen and Finn (who just deserted), is strolled along for the ride and slowly begins accept the Jedi way, after meeting some Jedi (who are alive and well) on Hosnian Prime. Of course, Han would serve as the mentor role and be killed off in this story (not sure if it’ll be as obvious as in the actual TFA, but hey).

One problem is regarding one of my ideas for this rewrite. That being: kill off every OT core cast member throughout my TFA and the installments afterwards (which are more based on specualation than the actual upcoming films). Because of Carrie Fisher’s passing, I thought it would be in bad taste to do kill her off (which would be passing in her sleep after being fired upon by Star Destroyers).

The other problem is, since I put the story off, I have been questioning the roles of Rey and Kylo Ren. Originally, I wanted Rey to be with the bad guys, so we can get a better insight into them. At the same time, I realized that film TFA Rey was meant to be someone whom the audience can relate to the best (what with Rey nostalgic for the Rebel vs Empire time and whatnot, as shown with her litte “memorabilia”). My version of Rey doesn’t match that so much, but I found her so interesting to write about (or jot notes, anyway).

If you guys have any advice/thoughts that could help, I’d appreciate it. Thanks.

Yeah in one of my older TFA rewrites I combined Rey and Finn into one character and had her start off as a stormtrooper in training on a small First Order base off on a desert planet. I figured if you show her struggling to get along with everyone else there and questioning her place in the world, so to speak, you can have her start out with the bad guys yet still be relatable to the audience.

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#971266
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Pierre Menard as He Pertains to the Foundational Star Wars Tale
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I’ve also been working on a Star Wars rewrite for several months now and have tons of notes of various different versions that have accumulated over that amount of time. No matter how much I tweak my story, I still can’t seem to be completely satisfied (tho I do feel much closer to a solid outline now than I did just a few short months ago).

My main issue pertains to trying to find the right balance of “energy” and exposition. My act 1 in all of my outlines is usually full of energy and has a swift pace, but then my act 2 moves rather slowly and the action aspect is reduced due to the need to throw in a bunch of exposition. My act 2 is also usually a little too dark in my outlines.

Thankfully tho, I’ve been coming up with ways around these hurdles over just the last few days alone.

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#962647
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Rewriting VII using rejected production ideas
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darklordoftech said:

  1. Yes. There was no need to copy Tatooine.

  2. Sounds cool.

  3. See above.

  4. Vader’s helmet as the mcguffin would be cool, but no thanks to Luke showing up earlier.

  5. Not sure how that would fit into the story, but it’s worth keeping in mind if they ever revisit the KOTOR era.

  6. Sounds cool.

  7. NOOOOOOO!!! TFA had enough rehasing as it is.

  8. I could go either way on this idea.

  9. What does the drill do?

  10. Who/what is being rescued?

I like the idea of Starkiller Base being a hoax if it’s a thing at all.

4.why “no” to luke showing up earlier? If it’s cause of too many characters, I plan to cut out Maz, Phasma, bb8, and Poe all from my rewrite.

5.youre right, this is better for more of a Kotor thing.

7.what would you do for the villain instead then? Technically the “failed father and son relationship” thing was a rehash too.

  1. Instead of a drill I guess it would be a laser that slowly burns through the earth until it reaches the planet core, which then triggers the destruction of said planet. So it still poses as a similar threat to Death Star, but is visually different and makes more sense since its small, and therefore something that a supposedly small org like the First Order could make.

  2. Han and Chewy would be rescuing the girl as she’s retrieving the mcguffin maybe? Cause they’re there to try to get the same thing? And that’s how they cross paths? Or maybe the girl agreed to go try to get the mcguffin for them but then got into trouble, hence the rescue?

What do you mean by “hoax”?

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#962097
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Rewriting VII using rejected production ideas
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darklordoftech said:

Definitely 3. We could use a multi-biome planet and the fire-and-ice theme fits the lightsabers of Finn/Rey and Kylo. I also like the idea that the Starkiller Base planet is Dantooine.

I like both of those ideas too, but you can’t really have the main base of the villains be the fire-and-ice world and Dantooine at the same time. U kinda have to pick one or the other. I think Dantooine serves better as some kind of base for the heroes, actually.

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#961725
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Rewriting VII using rejected production ideas
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I’ve been working on an outline for a personal rewrite of VII pretty much since the movie came out, and I’m trying to decide which of the rejected production ideas would be worth integrating into my story. I figured I should make a list of them here to see which ideas are generally favored by this audience and which aren’t. I’ll just post 10 for now and then post more later. Thank you in advance for the feedback! And feel free to bring any other rejected concepts that I may have missed that you feel could be worth taking into consideration.

1.Jakku as a water world instead of a desert world:
http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_scale,h_679,w_1191/t_mp_quality/f6ohjyoefhv4l7ikpgi5/the-force-awakens-concept-art-reveals-a-very-different-star-wars-story-the-star-destro-833231.jpg

2.Lead hero finds McGuffin while exploring underwater:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSNAhUhLjsVJUYasaw0e2dmHgMt9t_18NJusCZO0uiQUKTxbM25Eg

3.The base of the villains as a fire-and-ice world:
http://cdn1-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2016/03/StarWars2.jpg

4.Vader’s helmet as the McGuffin and Luke being brought into the story earlier:
http://oneperfectshotdb.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/sw131.jpg

5.Primitive lightsaber:
http://a1.files.freshnessmag.com/image/upload/c_fit,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,q_80,w_620/MTM3NDYzNjQwOTQ1NTM0Mzgx.jpg
6.Hitchhiking with pirates:
http://i0.wp.com/bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/ZZ2E82364A.jpg

7.Main villain as a cyborg (deformed clone of Vader maybe? or artificial offspring?):
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/04/db/45/04db45d0181efac4145ba713b0aaaf57.jpg

8.New heroes discovering Han Solo washed up in a “crime city”:
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Exotic-001.jpg

9.Giant drill-thingy for the villains (instead of Starkiller Base):
http://a3.files.freshnessmag.com/image/upload/c_fit,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,q_80,w_620/MTM3NDYzNjQwNjg2MjczOTY2.jpg
10.Underwater rescue mission for the Falcon:
http://www.iamag.co/features/itsart/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Star-WArs-7-The-Force-Awakens-new-Concept-Art-8.jpg

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#961297
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Need some advice for my TFA rewrite
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darklordoftech said:

I like your idea of Snoke being the dark side itself and the First Order being an ancient organization that inspired the Empire. That explains why Snoke would lead a regime with so much resemblence to Palpatine’s, establishes Snoke as a bigger bad than Palpatine, and fits with the TFA novelization’s references to Rey hearing Snoke’s voice (if Snoke is the dark side itself, temptation by the dark side = hearing Snoke’s voice). Maybe the yellow eyes normally seen on the Sith indicate some sort of possesion by Snoke and Kylo doesn’t have those eyes because Snoke didn’t bother using his possesive powers on Kylo, instead preferring a willing servent? Maybe VIII or IX could reveal that the First Order absorbed what was left of the Empire rather than being formed from what was left of the Empire.

Thank you very much for the feedback! I’ve actually abandoned all of these ideas in the last several months as I’ve continued to develop the outline for my rewrite, but upon reading your reflection on the First Order/ Snoke thing, I’m thinking of maybe bringing that one particular idea back and try to integrate it with my current ideas in some shape or form.

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#910287
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Need some advice for my TFA rewrite
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New to the forum! Longtime lurker, tho. I enjoy reading the very interesting rewrites on here. Glad to finally be apart of it now.

I’m currently working on a treatment outline for my own personal version of The Force Awakens, and was wondering if I could get some advice regarding a few ideas I’m a bit torn on at the moment:

  1. I’ve heard several people complain that the First Order is nothing more than an Empire rehash, and is therefore nowhere near as interesting as they could’ve been. Reading about the “unknown regions” introduced in the Aftermath novel, and how Palpatine believed his power may have come from some entity hidden there, has given me the idea to perhaps rewrite the First Order as an ancient organization that has lurked within the shadows of the unknown regions for thousands of years, but rumors of their existence and even a few possible visual depictions have trickled out to the known galaxy every now and then. Palpatine, fascinated by their vague mythology, took inspiration from them when shaping his Empire, and even modeled Vader’s suit after their apparent standard soldier armor. So basically, instead of an army of slightly different-looking Stormtroopers, it’d be an army of Knights of Ren who all use primitive blasters and ships. As a matter of fact, I was thinking of making their tech look so primitive to the point where it could be made of stone, and maybe even have one of their officials say something like “our leader moved mountains to create these vessels.”

  2. Speaking of their leader, I was also thinking of maybe rewriting Snoke (perhaps with a different name) as some kind of personification of the dark side itself, since Palpatine believed his power came from the unknown regions. Maybe even use that concept from the TFA pre-production of him living off of harnessed star energy. I feel like something along these lines could help my take on VII feel as though it is “building upon” the previous films and taking on a whole new level of importance, if that makes sense.

  3. Because I’m thinking of basically changing the threat of the ST to an army of Vader-ites, I feel a bit uncomfortable making Finn one of their soldiers, so I was also considering perhaps rewriting him to be a soldier of the New Republic instead. One who dreams of someday breaking out of his “shell” to achieve some greater accomplishment then that of just a foot soldier. Maybe have him and a small squad of others accompany Poe an his mission to retrieve the map, then the two get captured together, and help eachother break out. Throughout their journey together, Poe realizes, essentially, that masked soldiers are people too, and Finn develops the self confidence he was searching for by getting this positive reinforcement from Poe. Don’t get me wrong, I like what they did with Finn in the movie, but I’ve already heard multiple complaints of his turn to the light feeling too “sudden.” Because TFA has to already have so many moving parts in the plot between the old and new characters, I’m not sure there’s room to better flesh Finn out by having him start with the baddies and then turn good. So might as well have him be good from the get-go, I guess?

^that’s pretty much all I’m concerned with at the moment. I have other adjustments in mind, but I feel far more confident in those that I don’t think it’s worth bringing them up now for advice.

any feedback at all on the above ideas would be appreciated! thank you in advance 😃

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