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#1097994
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All Things Star Trek
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Not a nice thing to say about your customers. You usually just think those things 😃

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#1096053
Topic
Restoration Of The Star Wars Deleted Scenes
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I’ve started doing it. It took me about 6 months to clean the first Luke on Tatooine scene and I still am not satisfied with the quality, so I just gave up. Hope you will be more successful.

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#1096046
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Dealing with People Selling Fan Projects
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This is the third time I am thinking about reporting something to the FBI - one case was a peado website, one was an asshole selling DVDs of Live Aid 85. They have a bunch of nice forms on their website, but I have no clue if it’s a good idea or it would do more harm than good (exposing “us” together with “him”)

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#1094599
Topic
All Things Star Trek
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Trekcore just published the cover of the first Discovery comic book

I was hoping that at least the comic book Klingons will look at least slightly like Klingons…

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#1094379
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All Things Star Trek
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TV’s Frink said:

pittrek said:

I hate entertainment mixed with politics, unless it’s done subtly (like e.g. classic Star Trek)

Hahahahahaha.

Well I’d never call a celebrity arguing on twitter “political” but OK. I don’t really remember the quote you quoted but I think I wrote something like that when some of the Star Trek actors wrote that anti-Trump letter, right? If so, I stand behind my opinion, if George Takei sad that he will support Clinton, I would have no problem with it, because everybody has the right to vote whoever they think is the best person for the job. What I would not support is if George Takei would say something like “Star Trek stands behind Hillary” or something similar, that is the mixing of entertainment and politics I was talking about. Does it make sense?
In other words I had problems with it for the very same reasons why I have problems with this commercial - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqYuw0w645U - Shatner and Doohan IN CHARACTER are promoting a private company (but I don’t have problems with Shatner doing tons of commercials as William Shatner). Does it make at least some sense?
If not, I should probably quote C3PO and his “Shutting up, sir”.

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#1093915
Topic
All Things Star Trek
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So… are the rumours that CBS gave up on Discovery and after they finish the first season they will come up with a new show instead may be true?

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#1093913
Topic
Is there a way how to colorize video using color reference?
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Scenario 1 :
Let’s say we have 2 sources of a scene. One source is in colour, the second one is in black and white, both are the same version of the same shot, properly aligned of course, but the black and white version is a few seconds longer.

Scenario 2 :
Let’s say we have a deleted scene in black and white. And at the same time we have several still frames taken from the same scene, and thee frames are in full colour.

Is there a way how to “extract” the colour information from the colour footage / frames and use if for automatic or pseudo-automatic colorization of the black and white segments?

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#1093016
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Star Trek movies - alternate versions
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SwissArmyTin said:

I’m still sitting on a really cruddy VHS transfer of III’s ABC cut, if anyone’s interested. It doesn’t open up on the Grissom, instead on the Klingon Freighter scene, then proceeds generally the same way as the theatrical cut, but with some major trimming.

I don’t know like the others but at least “I” am interested. Even if the quality sucks, if it’s complete (meaning it doesn’t feature any “new” scenes) it can serve as a “template” and a new better quality version can be re-created using the 35mm scan and/or the Blu-ray

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#1092167
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Star Trek movies - alternate versions
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Jonno said:

pittrek said:

  • I heard rumours about a different theatrical version (maybe 70mm?) without the “II”, called simply Star Trek - The Wrath of Khan - any more info?

Yes, that was the 70mm - presumably a similar case to ESB, where the 35mm prints had a little more refinement than the first-run 70mm.

(not my pic)
This is the first time I see an actual piece of evidence, thanks

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#1092166
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Star Trek movies - alternate versions
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yotsuya said:

I have not done a scene by scene comparison, but just looking at it quickly. the original B&W/Color version of The Cage and the restored full color show very little differences. The DVD release has the original in 29.790 fps and the restored version in 23.976 fps. In places the hybrid runs faster and in others the restored runs faster. There are also noticeable frame drops in the hybrid during the B&W sequences.

I am actually working on a “re-creation” of the full length Cage and there are many short omissions. The first step was to merge the Blu-ray version (the shortest of the official releases) with the hybrid version (the longest of the official releases), so now I have my own “hybrid” B&W/color version, which is actually longer than the 1986 version. The second step was to correct the speed of my 16mm audio, and try to sync it with the video, that’s when I noticed that even my “hybrid” version is too short, there are many segments were there is no dialogue just music and/or sound effects, and there is no footage for those parts available right now. Bits of dialogue are missing too, “you were like a wild little animal” is included in the 1986 and 1988 versions but dropped later, but lines like “probing you, searching for weaknesses” or “you wanna gamble we won’t” (hope I got it correctly) are in no officially releases versions. The dramatic reaction turn of Pike reacting to “soon we can start with the experiment” is missing the music which was included in The Menagerie and all home video releases, when Vina and Keylar (or whatever the spelling is) are fighting on the top of the stairs The Menagerie (and all subsequent home video releases of The Cage) include more screams by Vina, which were not in the 16mm version, there are a few places were music was added or removed…

And one of the strangest things is that The Menagerie includes 3 shots of Vina dancing which I can’t find in any official release and I can’t find the place where it should belong 😃

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#1091981
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Star Trek movies - alternate versions
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SilverWook said:

I’ve seen some TMP Super 8 reels on Ebay, but can’t recall their length. Collectors often spliced shorter cut downs together though.

JEDIT:Found three reels in Spanish
http://www.ebay.com/itm/STAR-TREK-SUPER-8-FILM-SPANISH-3-X-120-MTS-RARE-/182566067017

This thread might be better suited to the other preservations forum.

Do you have the possibility to move it? It’s time to check ebay regularly I guess 😃

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#1091860
Topic
Star Trek movies - alternate versions
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First of all sorry that I’m starting a new thread for this, but the “All Things Star Trek” thread is slowly turning into a personal argument. I have a question (and hopefully it was not answered here before) - what are all the different versions of all Trek flicks?

Star Trek The Motion Picture

  • theatrical version - released on Blu-ray
  • ABC cut a.k.a. “Special Longer Version” - released on LD
  • Director’s cut DVD a.k.a. “Director’s Edition” - released on DVD
  • I heard rumours about a ~60min Super8 or 8mm version, something similar to the Star Wars releases - anybody has any info on this?

Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan

  • theatrical version - released on Blu-ray
  • ABC cut - unreleased?
  • Director’s cut DVD version - DVD
  • Director’s cut 2016 Blu-ray version - 2016 BD - the same as the DVD version with the dialogue about Kirk’s son is muted
  • I heard rumours about a different theatrical version (maybe 70mm?) without the “II”, called simply Star Trek - The Wrath of Khan - any more info?

Star Trek III - The Search for Spock

  • theatrical version - released on Blu-ray
  • I heard about a different ABC cut - any more info?

Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home

  • USA theatrical version - released on Blu-ray
  • UK theatrical version called “The Voyage Home : Star Trek” - apparently released on VHS?
  • PAL DVD version - DVD - features a new beginning containing a montage of scenes from Star Trek II and III
  • are there any more versions?

Star Trek V - The Final Frontier

  • theatrical version - released on Blu-ray
    I guess this doesn’t have any different cuts released, or does it?

Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country

  • theatrical version - released on Blu-ray
  • VHS/Laserdisc version - released on LD/VHS
  • DVD version - released on DVD
    Are there any more versions? 3 different cuts doesn’t seem like enough, since Nick Meyer is a bit of a George Lucas and he tries to re-do his films constantly. I also heard that the REAL theatrical version had different closing credits, but I never managed to find any evidence of its existence.

Did they ever do different cuts to all the other movies? I know that Star Trek (2009) was released with some subtitle in some other countries but I can’t find it anywhere right now.

And a related question regarding the first Trek pilot The Cage. There were 6 versions produced (7 if you count the menagerie)

  • 35mm version shown to the network - unreleased
  • 16mm version - black and white, unknown if it’s the same cut as the 35mm version, the only thing I managed to get is an audio recording of a public showing, and it proofs that a LOT of footage is missing from all of the restorations
  • 1986 restoration - combination of the colour scenes from the Menagerie and the black and white scenes from GR’s private 16mm copy, misses a bunch of scenes which were in the 16mm version for “some” reason - released on DVD and Blu-ray featuring GR’s introduction
  • 1988 restoration - after Bob Furmanek found the missing colour trims they took the 1986 restoration and replaced the black and white footage with the trims, in many places slowed down or repeated from other scenes - released on LD (I think) as a part of the “From One Generation to the Next” 1988 TV special and on several VHS tapes
  • 2001 restoration - many scenes are trimmed so it’s shorter than the 1988 restoration, and it misses more dialog, they replaced some audio which was replaced for The Menagerie to the correct audio, but other parts were still taken from The Menagerie - released on DVD
  • 2009 restoration with original effects - even shorter than the DVD version with more audio changes - released on Blu-ray
  • 2009 restoration with CGI effect - same cut as previous version, but all effects replaced with CGI effects - released on Blu-ray

The audio recording of the 16mm version clearly shows all the audio changes done to The Menagerie (most notable the Keeper’s voice being pitch-shifted but there are also tons of small music changes), and that a lot of scenes were trimmed, I know that the chance is very very very slim, but I’ve seen some 16mm print on eBay a few years ago, so … Is there a chance that somebody from this forum actually has it?

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#1091529
Topic
All Things Star Trek
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moviefreakedmind said:

What’s the general consensus on Gul Dukat? I personally thought he was a strong, even occasionally empathetic, villain, but then once he started on all the devil worship stuff he just got silly. When they made him a weird serial-womanizing cult leader it just got impossible for me to appreciate the complexity of his character that had been established before.

I loved him before he turned Bajoran in the final episodes of season 7

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