Thanks!
According to page title, it seems to be screenshots from the “4K Blu Ray”, not from the 1080p Blu Ray.
Edit: “Broom Kid” beat me to it.
The reel by reel color grading has been released under the name 4K83 v1.6. Here are the screenshots for the final version:
I love the new color correction, always felt the print they used was a little mute and cold. (Emperor’s pale blue face).
But, it’s great to see the original print and have a color corrected version as well.
Your comparison says it’s of the '19 4k UHD disc and the '11 blu-ray, not the '19 blu-ray disc and the '11 blu-ray.
I went through a couple threads at blu-ray.com and there’s more than a few people asking for direct comparisons between the '19 blu-rays to the '11 blu-rays, but the actual comparisons don’t seem to have been posted anywhere as of yet. That’s what I’m looking for.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=17497680&postcount=7181
I’m interested in the same thing. I’ve seen a few of the HDR to SDR conversions posted, different but claimed to be correct (and thanks to those that have shared them). But I’d like to see the official 2020 SDR 1080p disc compared to the 2011.
People have spoken favorably of the 1080p compared to UHD. And whether that’s due to their hardware not displaying the HDR well enough or the mastering, it should be a more straight forward comparison to see the two SDR products.
Blu-ray.com has screen caps from the included 1080p SDR Blu-ray.
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Wars-Episode-IV-A-New-Hope-4K-Blu-ray/257142/#Review
Found this site: https://starwarsscreencaps.com/. Can someone better versed tell how accurate the captures are?
Looking through A New Hope. They are pretty accurate. Not 100%, but good enough.
Great find.
I seen that the new individual 4k cases have Ultimate Collectors Edition, on a red ribbon type banner at the bottom. Can’t see if the new Blu-ray only has it or not. The Old Blu-ray set was just a single disc, and the new has two disc )if I’m not mistaken). 4k obviously have 3 disc.
Old 2019 Blu-ray single disc case (Multiscreen Edition):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07TNVWQCZ/ref=tmm_fbs_blu_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=
According to the digital bits, Rouge One is the only movie reviewed, so far, that peaks at 4000 nits in HDR 10. The Others (1-8) only peak at 1000 nits. And episode 8 no longer has Dolby Vision in its 4k physical disc, but all digital files of the Saga and spin offs have Dolby Vision.
Weird.
https://thedigitalbits.com/item/rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-uhd
Screencaps from The Phantom Menace 4K Bluray if anyone interested.
Whoever uploaded that did not tone map them correctly. Color is ways over saturated and detail is crushed.
TNT will be having a Marathon of Star Wars. I’m curious if these are the “crappy” 04 Blu-ray master or the new 4k masters. I believe they got the rights to air the 16x9 cropped Blu-ray/digital (2015 no fox logo) version a few years back. I don’t have cable anymore so I can’t see for myself.
This could be a good time for Lucasfilm and Disney to drop a teaser for the upcoming new physical 4k disc boxset. Plus, maybe, and look at bonus content.
Unfortunately we can only hope and possibly be disappointed that it’ll just be the “Muclunkey” 19SE in the set.
Someone please see when you get the chance too.I’ll take a look. When is the marathon airing?
Sw is at 9am EST and Empire is at 11:45am EST tommorow.
Then it airs again on Sunday 2/23.
TNT will be having a Marathon of Star Wars. I’m curious if these are the “crappy” 04 Blu-ray master or the new 4k masters. I believe they got the rights to air the 16x9 cropped Blu-ray/digital (2015 no fox logo) version a few years back. I don’t have cable anymore so I can’t see for myself.
This could be a good time for Lucasfilm and Disney to drop a teaser for the upcoming new physical 4k disc boxset. Plus, maybe, and look at bonus content.
Unfortunately we can only hope and possibly be disappointed that it’ll just be the “Muclunkey” 19SE in the set.
Someone please see when you get the chance too.I’ll take a look. When is the marathon airing?
Sw is at 9am EST and Empire is at 11:45am EST tommorow.
TNT will be having a Marathon of Star Wars. I’m curious if these are the “crappy” 04 Blu-ray master or the new 4k masters. I believe they got the rights to air the 16x9 cropped Blu-ray/digital (2015 no fox logo) version a few years back. I don’t have cable anymore so I can’t see for myself.
This could be a good time for Lucasfilm and Disney to drop a teaser for the upcoming new physical 4k disc boxset. Plus, maybe, and look at bonus content.
Unfortunately we can only hope and possibly be disappointed that it’ll just be the “Muclunkey” 19SE in the set.
Someone please see when you get the chance too.
Then we have to GET people to care. I’m never giving up.
Me being in my 20’s, I’ve encouraged my friends who like SW to check out the Original cuts. They are aware of there being different versions, but don’t necessarily care what version they are watching. I’ve show some of them comparisons and they are like “oh, ok, cool” and good on about their day. This is a world we are in today where the Original cuts don’t matter to most anymore. However, they did say they will check it out if it came to a new formate, either Bul-ray or streaming.
But with each passing year it gets wiped from anyone really caring.
Interesting observation. If I’m reading this right, this makes a lot of sense. There are two wipes to 97SE changes that were redone for HD Branch, this and Jabba. Those wipes were done in 97 optically, wiping from the original-negative live-action shots to the 2K film outs and then cut into the negative. So when redoing those shots, they’d have to make a CG wipe that closely follows the optical wipe that transitions to the new version of the shot. And to do it for the 4K, they’d have to do it again. The Jabba wipe we’ve been looking at, it’s improved somewhat in the 4K (97 Jabba’s tail is less visible). This would seem to be something similar, where the original wipe is quickly followed by an additional wipe to the new shot.
You’re also correct in saying the landspeeder was shifted (to the right, I corrected TDB), but the weird thing is that the left edge of the speeder is in the same position. It’s been stretched a little? Also don’t forget the timing on all of the creatures were redone too, and half of them were erased from the 97SE. My feeling is that they rebuilt the shot for HD with a lot of sharpening, then rebuilt it again in 4K from the “original” negative, but cut out elements from the HD they didn’t want to rebuild (the speeder).
Idk if it’s that they stretched the speed, but the fact that they re- composited the old 2004 speeder on the slightly cropped 4k D+ version. But yes it is the 1997 background.
:\ I thought the OT couldn’t look uglier than on dvd/blu-ray, but Disney somehow succeded in making it look even worse!
Raw special effect, not properly lit:
Paint it green! 😛
Here brightness is so high you can see this special effect’s corners:
Contrast is so bland you can see Luke’s hair and face don’t cast natural shadows under strong and direct sunlight:
Green-headed Leia! 😄
P.S.: I think I’ll stick with Harmy’s versions 😛
Yea They tried to match the color timing of all the saga films by what I’ve heard. If I remember the the original release of the 97SE (what these are sourced from) had contrast issues as well.
This is the first tine since the 97 release that an official release of the OT has had an “almost” correct color timing. Not great but better then the old 2004 master.
ESB comparison Blu-ray vs. Dolby Vision 4k: https://youtu.be/29AMVNwnNr0
ROTJ Blu-ray vs Dolby 4k:
https://youtu.be/mevQD9YAHRkThis channel has pretty good. Comparisons for 4k releases compared to their old Blu-ray masters.
ANH Blu-ray vs Dolby Vision 4k:
https://youtu.be/czWNBOm4Z4IEdit: look at previous post for Empire and Jedi.
So:
Comparison of Star Wars: A New Hope 4K Disney+ vs Blu-Ray : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czWNBOm4Z4I
Comparison of Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back 4K Disney+ vs Blu-Ray : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29AMVNwnNr0
Comparison of Star Wars: Return of the Jedi 4K Disney+ vs Blu-Ray : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mevQD9YAHRk
^ From superb ‘My moonization’ youtube channel with many other films.
Thankyou for posting these links pat man! 😃
With doubleofive great post at The Digital Bits website on new Disney+ changes, here:
https://thedigitalbits.com/featured/articles/sw-new-hope-disneyplus-4k-2019
and doubleofive new website here:
https://starwarsviscomp.wordpress.com/
and 13las new youtube video here on Disney+ changes here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESuLxJJFZtE
we now have good and trusting informative articles on the new Disney+ 4K stream releases 😃
A lot of hard work must have been done for these so fast - thankyou all!
You’re welcome. Yea I linked them out of order because moonization uploaded them in reverse order throughout the day.
I enjoyed the article about doubleofive’s comparision. Also the Video from 13las.
Thank you everyone for your findings and work.
ANH Blu-ray vs Dolby Vision 4k:
https://youtu.be/czWNBOm4Z4I
Edit: look at previous post for Empire and Jedi.
ESB comparison Blu-ray vs. Dolby Vision 4k: https://youtu.be/29AMVNwnNr0
ROTJ Blu-ray vs Dolby 4k:
https://youtu.be/mevQD9YAHRk
This channel has pretty good. Comparisons for 4k releases compared to their old Blu-ray masters.
DrDre can you look at AOTC again since you made adjustments to your display. Although nowhere near as atrocious as the Blu-rays teal shift, I’m still seeing a light teal shift. It now looks like a cross between the DVD and Blu-ray.
I’m still watching the 1080p Hd D+ as I don’t have any 4k tech yet.
Thanks.Having looked at the PT in general, my conclusion is, that TPM looks the worst, and ROTS looks the best. TPM has more DNR applied to it, and its colors are more contrasty, and saturated than any of the other films. I was surprised how orange the faces are in the scene, where Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon discuss Anakin being a vergence. Overall I think this transfer is somewhat subpar, compared to other films based on a 2K DI. I was suprised how good AOTC looks, given it was filmed with 1st generation digital cameras. If a teal effect was applied to the HDR color grading, it was done very conservatively, and with good taste imo. Skies generally look pretty natural. ROTS is pretty much comparable to a modern day transfer, based on a 2K DI. The colors on AOTC and ROTS are a bit more saturated than the OT, but I think it fits the material. The HDR color grading in my view improves the blend of practical and digital effects, particulary for AOTC.
Thank you, I do agree with you on that.
DrDre can you look at AOTC again since you made adjustments to your display. Although nowhere near as atrocious as the Blu-rays teal shift, I’m still seeing a light teal shift. It now looks like a cross between the DVD and Blu-ray.
I’m still watching the 1080p Hd D+ as I don’t have any 4k tech yet.
Thanks.
“In this case I optimized the display for HDR content in general, which always appeared somewhat dark, flat, and desaturated on my TV screen, compared to SDR content even if the dynamic range was obviously increased.”
The problem is that most people have their TVs set with very high SDR brightness levels.
At least for me the recommended SDR brightness of 100 to 200 nits (according to sources, most mention 100) is just too dark…So yes, HDR will look dark in comparison, but that’s how it was mastered…
I don’t have my SDR set to very high brightness levels. I don’t like high contrast, brightness and saturation on my TV. I set the colors to a natural profile for SDR content, which generally means I have ro adjust, since most TVs by default go for high contrast, and punchy colors.
I’m the same way as DrDre. Natural color palette and nice contrast (Good detail in highlights and detail in dark scenes), but nothing to fancy.
Edit: With a slight pop effect.
I wonder if caps-a-holic or DvD active have new comparisons yet?
DVDactive is no longer a thing. Caps-a-holic has no new picture comparisons yet.
I wonder if caps-a-holic or DvD active have new comparisons yet?
If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?
I didn’t see the 3d release. But skimming through the movies the Prequels are just upscaled Blu-ray. I.e. nasty teal shift in Aotc.
No, they are not. The color grading is markedly different, more muted like the for the OT, and obviously HDR. I also don’t see any evidence of a blanket teal shift. There are plenty of blue skies, and white clouds in AOTC.
Ah, I’ve only streamed the HD version on disney plus.
The hd version doesn’t look like the blu-rays either, though. Whether you’re watching it in hdr or sdr, the new D+ transfers look like they’ve been made “fresh from the source” and not recycled from the hd masters prepared back in 2011 for the blu’s. I was streaming the beginning of AotC yesterday on D+ in regular hd and the colors looked noticeably closer to how I remember it looking in the theater and on dvd, without the teal cast of the bd.
Time for me to get an eye appointment lol. I’ll do a re-check of the Pt later tonight.
Ok so, as for the Prequels, they do look better then the Blu-rays. They appear to be the digital file that was used to create the Blu-rays however (TPM still has DNR).
The Originals are very apparent to be new scans of the film elements from the SE (Color wise they look like my old SE 97 VHS copies just way better contrast).
I’m not a color expert though.
If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?
I didn’t see the 3d release. But skimming through the movies the Prequels are just upscaled Blu-ray. I.e. nasty teal shift in Aotc.
No, they are not. The color grading is markedly different, more muted like the for the OT, and obviously HDR. I also don’t see any evidence of a blanket teal shift. There are plenty of blue skies, and white clouds in AOTC.
Ah, I’ve only streamed the HD version on disney plus.
The hd version doesn’t look like the blu-rays either, though. Whether you’re watching it in hdr or sdr, the new D+ transfers look like they’ve been made “fresh from the source” and not recycled from the hd masters prepared back in 2011 for the blu’s. I was streaming the beginning of AotC yesterday on D+ in regular hd and the colors looked noticeably closer to how I remember it looking in the theater and on dvd, without the teal cast of the bd.
Time for me to get an eye appointment lol. I’ll do a re-check of the Pt later tonight.
If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?
I didn’t see the 3d release. But skimming through the movies the Prequels are just upscaled Blu-ray. I.e. nasty teal shift in Aotc.
I seriously would like to understand why people who do 4K HDR remasters have such a love for adding unappealing teal filters to their older films. Especially when it’s not the accurate color grading the movie had when released.
Make them look like modern films.
If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?
I didn’t see the 3d release. But skimming through the movies the Prequels are just upscaled Blu-ray. I.e. nasty teal shift in Aotc.
No, they are not. The color grading is markedly different, more muted like the for the OT, and obviously HDR. I also don’t see any evidence of a blanket teal shift. There are plenty of blue skies, and white clouds in AOTC.
Ah, I’ve only streamed the HD version on disney plus.
