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Music from The Elder was a hit and miss release with fans. The entire concept album was a musical departure and the released product told a vague story completely out of order. The Japanese CD and the later US Remaster are in a slightly better order, but still don’t tell a cohesive story.

With that said, my intention here is to tell the story of The Elder in the most narratively sound way. I have used the outstanding Japanese P33C release as a base (with Escape from the Island from Japanese Killers Album). I’ve rearranged songs, lightly tweaked volumes, smoothed out transitions, and borrowed a small bit here and there to create an outro.

1. Fanfare
2. A World Without Heroes (set the stage)
3. Just a Boy (introduce our hero)
4. Mr. Blackwell (introduce our villain)
5. The Summons (Morpheus and the council)
6. Only You (the boy appears before the council, they tell him only he can be the hero)
7. Under the Rose (the council asks the boy for his oath)
8. The Oath (the boy gives his oath)
9. Dark Light (How bad things have gotten under Mr. Blackwell)
10. Odyssey (our hero’s journey and introduction of love interest)
11. Escape from the Island (our hero travels to Mr. Blackwell’s hidden base and manages to destroy it. Then comes a mad dash escape from the Island base.)
12. I (Congratulatory I did it song)
13. Outro

I wish there were more to the story, but I believe this is the best way to present what is available.

I’d love the link as well.

For the Falcon breaking through the ice, could it be extended or slowed down? A single second of crashing through ice doesn’t feel right for the level of damage we see. An extra second would sell it better.

For Vader’s castle - there’s a lot of flashbacks. Would it be worth showing Vader’s castle, then a flash of Rogue One’s bacta tank, then a flash of Vader’s helmet, then finding the way finder?

Actually, cutting that and using it as “From the very beginning…” sounds conceptually very nice.
“Always” and “In the shadows” would work well as Leia sound clips when Rey touches her lightsaber.

I have a lot of catching up to do. I think I’ll get a chance to watch the workprint tonight.

I know you’ve used the titles of TFA and TLJ for your sequel trilogy Hal, but have you considered a new title for this one? The Rise of Skywalker just doesn’t convey what this movie (where the Skywalkers go extinct) is about.

My suggestion - Heir to the Empire. The film is about Palpatine’s heir and trying to decide whether it was Kylo or Rey. It’s a classic Star Wars book title, thus fitting with PT naming choices. Plus it gives a good ol’ George Lucas level rhyming scheme to the names of each Trilogy’s Climaxes.

Revenge of the Sith
Return of the Jedi
Heir to the Empire

😑 No clue why this posted 🤷🏼‍♂️

idir_hh said:

dgraham414 said:
Opening shot would be tie fighters going towards kylo’s ship just out in space (probably a reverse shot from TFA) with Kylo on the bridge staring into nothingness.

Liked the idea so I made a quick test. It works really well with Poppa’s tie fighter’s flying above the forest, would be nice though to have a shot of Vader’s castle with the 3 fighters flying by to tie it all together.
https://vimeo.com/420388818

Works beautifully.
I would use the star destroyer closeup as the Pan Down from the crawl, without ties deploying (removed), then behind Kylo on the bridge.
The wide shot of the Planet with the Pan Down I would attempt to center on the Star
Destroyer and incoming Ties and remove camera movement/the Pan.
Then the closeup of Kylo’s face.
Then the closeup of the Star Destroyer with Ties leaving in tact. Then use the initial flash of ties flying past at the beginning of the Planet pandown as an extra flying to the planet (stabilized/no camera movement), then proceed the same with the ties over the planet, though I’d add slight slowmo to the trooper shot to match or gradually adjust to Kylo slowmo.

This may be over the top but I’ve been thinking, if you’re going for the OT look, shouldn’t all of the ships have grain added first to simulate compositing?

Hey Hal, how did you QC this? Was just thinking as you’re moving things over, it might be easier to just run a difference overlay check with the previous edit versions, since only the frames you’ve fixed should show anything. Render it out, throw it on the tv to play as you’re casually working on something else. That way you’ll just see flashes if/when there’s an issue.

darth_ender said:

I don’t know if this is exactly what Adywan is thinking, but I still really love this idea. To me, it is a very moving ending and I hope he adopts something like this.

https://vimeo.com/51457067#t=19m55s

Password: ROTJ

Credit for the effects go to the long lost aalenfae.

Is there any behind the scenes footage of Sebastian Shaw in costume that could be used in the pyre shot? If you put a force ghost shot of him with the ventilator still on but the mask off over the pyre, then have it fade out right before panning up, you could use force ghosts in both shots, and still stick to only Shaw. The film ends with even more of a false sense of security and completion - Luke and Anakin both lay Vader to rest, then we watch both rejoin their comrades.

It was always dull, but I’d bump saturation slightly across the board here on reel 4. You’re not going for pop in general, but the pop here doesn’t match reels 2 and 3 which are perfect. 😃

Thanks, sorry I didn’t see this before. I’ll set them to download now 🙂

Could someone seed the French DUBBED THX on the spleen, or help me attain it elsewhere? I’m curious to see it after watching COLD - it seems like a nice balance between detail and color.

Has anyone watched Jay and Silent Bob recently to check some of Carrie’s dialogue from there. I’d imagine most lines are fairly clean in the channel, and she says a few things that might be able to be added dialogue wise off-screen.

Her lines are:
You two boys need a ride?
You both don’t have to sit back there. One of you can sit up here with me.
So where are you boys from?
What brings you to Indiana?
Well, do unto others. That’s what the Book says.
I live my life by it.
Are you kidding? I’ve dedicated my life to it. Every hour of every day.
Of course. You know how lonely it gets on the road? Thanks to the Book, I’m never alone–if you know what I mean.
You live by the Book, too?
That’s good to hear. But it takes deed, not words. It’s a lot easier to say you live by the Book than to actually do it.
Can you do it?
No time like the present, right?

I imagine you could go with

“Rey, be patient” “You are never alone. Nothing’s impossible.” splicing it together, right before Rey’s says “Nothing’s impossible.” (I’d cut the communing with the Jedi, but this works if not.)
It’d be really cool to get “It gets lonely, but you are never alone. Nothing’s impossible.” to which Rey could respond with the “Yes Master” instead of later. Later where she says that could just be filled with reaction shot with a smile.

“It takes deeds, not words. But it’s a lot easier to say than to actually do.” a bit harsh, but a potential drop in for the awkward “Don’t tell me what things look like, tell me what they are.”

(Re-the waiting until you can comb released edits for Ideas)Everytime I watch Cloak of Deception, I always feel a bit proud of the Otah Gunga removal. I’m sure lots of us feel the same with the way you combined the best of everyone’s take on things.

The broadcast makes sense in this context of seconds after Luke dies, Palatine emerges.

“The day of reckoning has come.”
“The great error has been corrected.”

Luke is dead. The Jedi are gone.
The Sith have won.

In terms of a 9 film saga, this broadcast ties things together nicely, while also providing a cliffhanger reminiscent of TESB reveal.

Has anyone done a mock-up of the radio broadcast that removes the Kylo/Rey portion, and uses the full Fortnite broadcast? You could then have Palpatine say in Kylo’s head “Find Me” afterwards. That way, the exact moment the dice disappear, you hear the broadcast start.

3 in 1 edit.

Get rid of Rathtars. Han and Chewie immediately take Rey and Finn to Maz.
First Order shows up, Rey captured quickly.
Han moment, minimal effort to blow up the base.
Rey shows up - instead of handing off the light saber, Chewie immediately throws door off - Luke ask where Han is.
Make Luke only doubt himself, not the Jedi.
Give Rey all 3 trainings - show Luke getting back to himself. Imply he’s training her to go back and save them.
No Canto Bight. Finn is Zapped and out of it for part of the middle.
When Rey and Kylo kill Snoke, immediately trigger the transmission from Palpatine.
Kylo leaves Crait to immediately find the way finder. Add an echoing “Come find me” in the back of some Kylo scenes.
Maybe add a Vader Communing part to the Last Jedi portion.
Right after “They’ve got Chewie”, we move to the sinking sands. No Kylo.
No Knights of Ren except the final battle.
3P0 can’t translate, but Babu Frick is able to get the info. No memory wipe.
Cut Zorri if possible.

At the beginning, what if Rey was trying to commune with Luke (change the reference in the crawl)?

An alternate Audio track would be cool with it in tact if possible. It’s not perfect, but it helps tie in Padme- this line change feels like the start of his transformation, drawing out memories.

I’ve always liked the first “No” as Vader picks up the Emperor. Obviously not the scream, but it feels like he’s finally broken through the fog. People that are fighting an alternate personality almost always access voice control first.

Beautiful.

Not sure if there’s a custom SE thread. I wanted to suggest moving C3P0’s warning to Luke to after Jabba speaks next.

I’d also move Crumbs laugh to sightly later.

Hey Hal, have you ever considered renaming your ST edits?

I love how your PT edits use the novel names from the in between books.
It’s an nice reference, and honestly they seem to fit better.

I was thinking, now that we’ve seen the whole trilogy,
that it might be cool if you did the same using the Zahn Thrawn titles.

Episode 7
Heir to the Empire

Episode 8
Dark Force Rising
(yes, Kerr used it for his #3, but I don’t think it’d go over badly)

Episode 9
The Last Command

sade1212 said:

Is it possible to imply Leia has been in poor health since her spacewalk in TLJ? Add coughing in both movies, maybe dub in a line of some Resistance member with their back to the camera suggesting she will never fully recover, even put a single word in the crawl or something. Her death already comes out of nowhere but cutting the Maz scene (essential to do, I hate it) would make that even worse.

I think adding something in the crawl would help a lot. It would explain her diminished role and hopefully make her scenes stand out slightly less.

I would remove that Rey is trying to commune with the Jedi, and cut out the “Be with Me” portion of the training. I feel it’s actually more powerful just being heard at the end, as if in that moment she innately calls upon them.

I’m in the minority here, but if you grew up with VHS or Laserdisc, I’d highly suggest the JawsTDS Return of the Gout releases. IMHO, it’s the highest quality “Official” version you’ll find (upscaled, but a single source).

For fun, you can also check out Hal9000’s Special Edition audio (cut to the theatrical length) which are absolutely beautiful. (Personally, I prefer the GOUT RotJ audio, but only because it sounds more similar to the SW/ESB mixes. The RotJ SE audio is much cleaner/sounds digital in comparison to the other two’s analog twang).