nesboy43

This looks to have tons of footage from either a workprint version of the film or a scan from the entire film but without tochups done to it. I would love to have the full film in this format.

Looks like a real movie. This is great. Clearly Disney made a new scan of the original movie, these are not from the GOUT DVD or the Special Editions, these clips are very film like and very raw.

digitalfreaknyc said:

nesboy43 said:

In my experience upscaling is better left to your TV or media player. Keep the source at its original resolution. I’d recommend deinterlacing your video, but not upscaling.

Agreed. What is this obsession of up-scaling suddenly? It doesn’t help.

Glad I’m not the only one. Upscaling technology in players and displays is only getting better, upscaling your source file isn’t worthwhile. Apple TV upscaling low res content over Plex is incredible. I have LD rips I made that I play this way and they look fantastic.

Nice TVs tend to have great upscaling and deinterlacing as well.

In my experience upscaling is better left to your TV or media player. Keep the source at its original resolution. I’d recommend deinterlacing your video, but not upscaling.

Id say the Definitive LDs and Special Widescreen Collector LD Trilogy can be had for about 50. I got my definitive LDS set last year for that amount.

The THX Faces VHS tapes go for about 10-15 dollars for a complete set.

I recently tried converting my GOUT discs to 16:9, which I have done for a number of my LD rips or letterboxed DVDs without issue.

It turns out that the GOUT actually has a shaking/shimmering problem with the image that is headache inducing.

If I zoom in on the GOUT disc on my TV I don’t notice it, but when I have the raw video file converted to 16:9 and use a media player, it’s unwatchable.

Doctor M said:

The important thing about the CAPS films is that some early home video releases were struck from a film print.

Back in the early technicolor days, when they were doing test prints to get their colors to look right, which was known to be different from the actual paint colors, that’s preferred.

I don’t think the same is true of the digitally sourced animation. In those cases a raw digital transfer is probably expected to be more accurate (if less warm).

Good info there, nesboy43.

Thanks for the information. I think the colors of Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, and Aladdin look much nicer on the 35mm sourced scans. I’m not sure about artist intent, but for me personally it’s preferred.

For whatever reason the film print makes the movies seem more natural to me than a direct digital transfer. I feel the same way about the Toy Story LD, which looks more real and less like a computer game.

Do we know when Caps films went from being 35mm to digital for home video? I can’t imagine Tarzan is 35mm sourced.

Have the following LDs:

Alice In Wonderland 1986 CLV
Aladdin CAV
Aladdin King of Thieves
Aladdin Return of Jafar
Bambi 1990 CLV
Beauty and the Beast CAV
Beauty and the Beast Workprint CAV
Cinderella CAV Boxset
Dumbo 1982 CLV
Hercules CAV
Lady and the Tramp THX CAV
Oliver and Company CAV
Peter Pan 1990 CAV
Pinocchio 1987 CAV
Robinhood 1990 CLV
Sleeping Beauty 1997 CAV
Snow White 1994 CAV
Great Mouse Detective CAV
The Huncback CAV Box Set
The Junglebook 30th Anniversary CLV
The Many Adventures of Winnie The Pooh 1996 CLV
The Rescuers CAV
The Rescuers Down Under CAV
Sword in the Stone Masterpiece CAV
The Three Caballeros Masterpiece CAV
Toy Story Widescreen CLV

Some thoughts:

-The Sleeping Beauty and Bambi Blurays look better than the LDs
-The CAPs films look so much different on LD than Bluray in terms of colors and shading, I much prefer the LD look
-The Junglebook and Sword In The Stone are some of the worst looking Blurays, the LDs are quite a revelation
-Mary Poppins (Archive Collection) LD looks a million times better than the Bluray, it’s amazing how badly botched that Bluray is (the Bluray is dark and overly contrasty at the same time, and the scenes that use projection look way more fake due to this)
-1987 Pinocchio CAV is really bad looking and washed out, will have to capture the CAV Box Set instead

JadedSkywalker said:

Is there a source for the pre restoration Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs?

I’ve searched all the video releases and no such VHS or Laserdisc exists.

If there was ever a bootleg i cannot seem to discover it. I’ve looked at foreign releases.

There is what appears to be a 35mm sourced bootleg VHS released in Italy:

https://youtu.be/8_UNBmp8akQ

I’ve thought about buying one myself as they can be found on ebay but I don’t have pal equipment.

GoboFraggle1983 said:

nesboy43 said:

Are there any communities or individuals that share Disney LD rips? I made a few rudimentary ones with my DVD recorder so I could add them onto my Plex Server.

There doesn’t seem to be much on the spleen, besides Lion King.

Which Disney LDs do U have?

Most of the main features they did in CAV.

edit: Looks like myspleen isnt allowing disney rips besides cases like Lion King where its a different version of the movie that is unavailable.

This explains why all the content related to posts about Disney LD rip projects from years ago is no longer hosted there.

Are there any communities or individuals that share Disney LD rips? I made a few rudimentary ones with my DVD recorder so I could add them onto my Plex Server.

There doesn’t seem to be much on the spleen, besides Lion King.

I have always loved his performance as the character. He truly was a huge part of this great series. It’s a shame he was blacklisted from Star Wars for decades.

I will absolutely continue to cherish his great work in this series.

Doctor M said:

Doh. Yes you did. And it’s not like mixing up the castles.

You’re sure that 1997 is when they did that restoration? That stinks.

Then the best untouched answer is a pan and scan laserdisc? I don’t know how I feel about that.

It also makes the 2008 DVD the best digital alternative.

Eek.

No problem. Here’s a review of the 97 CAV Laserdisc set:

https://animatedviews.com/2002/laserdisc-archives-sleeping-beauty-deluxe-edition/

“A look at The Restoration Of Sleeping Beauty follows, and this has to be seen to be believed. Every one of the 10,800,320 frames of the film were individually scanned into the computers at Disney, after which each character was rotoscoped and removed from the scene. The background “dust busters” would then go to work, removing cell dirt, scuff and film scratches from the images.”

Doctor M said:

nesboy43 said:

I wanted to say thank you for this thread, it is incredibly helpful!

For the first post. Sleeping Beauty’s 1997 Laserdisc is the digitally restored one with rotoscoping. The feature about rotoscoping all the characters out, is a feature on that laserdisc.

So the aggressive restoration it mentioned is from 1997, not 2003. Only the pre 97 versions would be purist, although they are Pan and Scan.

Did you read the first post?
“Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937): First ‘fully restored’ by Lowry in 1994. This is also when the Masterpiece VHS and laserdiscs came out. As far as I am aware there is no home video format that has not been reanimated.”
The recommendation is for the least altered version available.
There is no purist recommendation.

Have read the first post a lot and it has been an amazing resource for me, so thank you for all the information.

Not sure if you misread my post or not, I was talking about Sleeping Beauty, not Snow White.

I wanted to say thank you for this thread, it is incredibly helpful!

For the first post. Sleeping Beauty’s 1997 Laserdisc is the digitally restored one with rotoscoping. The feature about rotoscoping all the characters out, is a feature on that laserdisc.

So the aggressive restoration it mentioned is from 1997, not 2003. Only the pre 97 versions would be purist, although they are Pan and Scan.

If someone has a half million to spare, someone has listed the 70mm film of Captain EO:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254752861804

I have to say that I actually much prefer the way the 93 sound mix is. The special effect sounds and music are very loud (which I love). For this reason I like the definitive collection.

The definitive is a bit too red and blurry (mainly for the first film), but still looks good.

I also enjoy the Fox Special Widescreen Editions. Those have more natural colors and are sharper.

Do the new Blurays have the 20th Century Fox opening? Also, do they add the opening to 7,8, and 9?

I grew up with the original CBS VHS tapes, Faces THX Tapes, and Special Edition 1997 VHS Tapes.

I used to strictly watch despecialized since it came out. (Purchased official Steelbook Blurays to use as cases for despecialized).

A few years ago I got a laserdisc player and collection for cheap, which contained the Fox “Special Widescreen Edition” (theatrical versions) Technidisc set of the trilogy from 1992. Official releases of the Original Trilogy are now my go to.

I have a 120" Projection Screen with a home theater projector as well as a CRT.

I’d rather zoom in on the letterbox official releases, blown up on the big screen than use fan products these days, not sure why, but it’s more fun for me this way.

I like my VHS’ and Laserdiscs, analog home video is fun, even in the digital age, and the audio still rocks.

I recently ordered the GOUT 2006 DVD set and look forward to having a DVD version of the original films if my LD player ever breaks.

Like video gaming, you can have emulators that make games look artificial, crystal clear, and smooth, but I like the experience of reliving how I originally enjoyed things.

Having never seen the original Star Wars Trilogy in movie theaters, standard def home video was how I grew up with it. While I appreciate the fan restorations, they don’t have the “magic” for me.

Also looking for a link.

Would love to see this and am happy to donate to it. Am a fan of all things Disneyland.

I would love to see the open matte version it sounds very interesting. Personally I just got the 3D Bluray of Jurassic Park and have to say I was blown away by the 3D conversion they did in the film. It looks amazing. I also prefer the colors of this to the 2D Bluray I had beforehand. My only issue is that some of the scenes seemed too dark, although it might be my calibration settings.

I was just about to ask the same thing. Is the site shutting down?

Looks great. I love that this last year we have seen 35mm projects. While the Despecialized Editions are very impressive I am in the purist camp that wants the films unmodified as they were presented. Despecialized will always be a well made remix any way I see it. Between the Grindhouse projects and now this it is very impressive to see what could be coming up in the future.

My opinion on the title is this “Star Wars Theatrical Version, Empire Strikes Back Theatrical Version, etc”. It gets across the point that it is the original versions and that it is from a film print. It’s also simple. Too many projects have strange names IMO, which to an outsider or someone browsing torrents looks confusing.

Disneyland released some new Star Wars Merchandise, one of the shirts has the famous end scene with the ghosts from Return of the Jedi. Unfortunately it’s Hayden Anakin though, not Sebastian Shaw. This just reinforces in my mind that Disney will go by the Special Editions as cannon. It’s a shame since Sebastian Shaw gave such a great performance yet the ghost of him is a different actor.

Pictures here:

http://micechat.com/125100-star-wars-land-may-the-4th-be-with-you/

Edit: Looks like it is up on the Spleen still. The BD25 version anyways.