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#1133570
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The rating system is awful and arbitrary, who cares what words they don’t like? Actually, the rating system legitimately is sexist. Exposed breasts of a woman will get you an R these days while the exposed chest of a man wouldn’t even push it to PG.

Have you visited a public pool or a non-nude beach? Have you noticed at those places men are topless but women are not? Men’s and Women’s bodies are different. A man topless is not nude. A woman topless is nude.

I’d be a lot happier if everyone kept their clothes on since most people, male or female, are quite unpleasant looking without garments, but there is no reason for male toplessness to be considered less “offensive” than female toplessness.

Men’s and women’s bodies are different.

If even if you see no reason, you know that society considers female toplessness to be nudity while male toplessness isn’t.

I think my past comments have revealed that I’m not too concerned with arbitrary societal considerations like which gender’s insults are worse or which gender’s chest is more frightening. Perhaps it’s because I was raised in a big family in a tiny house with no privacy, but nudity regardless of gender is just something that I grew up not being scared of and I don’t see much of a problem with it in designated spaces like in a home or at the beach or a pool or the locker room. Like I said, I don’t like it when people aren’t fully clothed because most people look rather unpleasant, but I don’t like pointless double standards. It’s nothing you haven’t seen before anyway so just either ignore it or look away if it’s that disturbing.

So you wouldn’t have any problem with your female family members going topless at public pool or non-nude beach?

Of course not. Other people like you would, though. I actually had to share a bedroom with my sisters when I was growing up, so like I said it was never something that I had much of a choice on whether or not I could have a problem with it.

you saw you sisters without clothing? ew.

And brothers. We were children and were living in a two-bedroom rental with only one bathroom for God’s sake! Privacy is a privilege of the well-off folk.

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#1133559
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The rating system is awful and arbitrary, who cares what words they don’t like? Actually, the rating system legitimately is sexist. Exposed breasts of a woman will get you an R these days while the exposed chest of a man wouldn’t even push it to PG.

Have you visited a public pool or a non-nude beach? Have you noticed at those places men are topless but women are not? Men’s and Women’s bodies are different. A man topless is not nude. A woman topless is nude.

I’d be a lot happier if everyone kept their clothes on since most people, male or female, are quite unpleasant looking without garments, but there is no reason for male toplessness to be considered less “offensive” than female toplessness.

Men’s and women’s bodies are different.

Yes, but what’s the difference between a male nipple and a female nipple?

I’ll you what, I’ll post a pic of male nipple and you post a pic of a female nipple. Lets see if the mods treat it the same.

Yeah, I know. I just think that’s wrong.

It is that way society has worked for years and years.

Not a good argument. Living in caves was the way that society worked for years and years, but we decided to move out and make civilization.

Yes, but in all that time we still haven’t moved away from treating the male nipple differently than the female nipple.

If a woman has breasts more like a typical man, should that be censored? What if a man had large breasts? This distinction is most arbitrary.

male breasts ≠ female breasts

But why‽

Because they are.

Sure, they’re different, but why should they be treated differently?

Because they’re different.

Why? I’m unwilling to accept things that have no reasoning for it.

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#1133556
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The rating system is awful and arbitrary, who cares what words they don’t like? Actually, the rating system legitimately is sexist. Exposed breasts of a woman will get you an R these days while the exposed chest of a man wouldn’t even push it to PG.

Have you visited a public pool or a non-nude beach? Have you noticed at those places men are topless but women are not? Men’s and Women’s bodies are different. A man topless is not nude. A woman topless is nude.

I’d be a lot happier if everyone kept their clothes on since most people, male or female, are quite unpleasant looking without garments, but there is no reason for male toplessness to be considered less “offensive” than female toplessness.

Men’s and women’s bodies are different.

If even if you see no reason, you know that society considers female toplessness to be nudity while male toplessness isn’t.

I think my past comments have revealed that I’m not too concerned with arbitrary societal considerations like which gender’s insults are worse or which gender’s chest is more frightening. Perhaps it’s because I was raised in a big family in a tiny house with no privacy, but nudity regardless of gender is just something that I grew up not being scared of and I don’t see much of a problem with it in designated spaces like in a home or at the beach or a pool or the locker room. Like I said, I don’t like it when people aren’t fully clothed because most people look rather unpleasant, but I don’t like pointless double standards. It’s nothing you haven’t seen before anyway so just either ignore it or look away if it’s that disturbing.

So you wouldn’t have any problem with your female family members going topless at public pool or non-nude beach?

Of course not. Other people like you would, though. I actually had to share a bedroom with my sisters when I was growing up, so like I said it was never something that I had much of a choice on whether or not I could have a problem with it.

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#1133551
Topic
The Stephen King Thread
Time

I’ve heard the director say in interviews that he’s filming some flashback scenes with the Part I cast, which makes sense since the cast was the most positively received aspect of the film and every character but Pennywise will have to be recast in Part II. What worries me about the prospects of an extended cut is that they have included fifteen minutes of deleted footage on the upcoming bluray, which is how much longer the supposed director’s cut was supposed to be, so maybe they just gave up on it. Hard to say, I just hope that we get one, and I’m sure we will because this bluray release has a really small amount of bonus material and doesn’t have a commentary track or the director’s cut that the director himself said he was commissioned by the studio to make and this movie was so successful that they’ll surely want to give it a definitive release at some time.

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#1133534
Topic
The Stephen King Thread
Time

So apparently there isn’t a director’s cut of IT for the blu-ray/digital release. That’s unfortunate but I think we’ll get one eventually since the director and producer confirmed in an interview that Warner Bros. had assigned them the task of doing one. Maybe they’ll rerelease it for the next movie. I can’t imagine they would say that and then decide not to do it.

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#1133527
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The rating system is awful and arbitrary, who cares what words they don’t like? Actually, the rating system legitimately is sexist. Exposed breasts of a woman will get you an R these days while the exposed chest of a man wouldn’t even push it to PG.

Have you visited a public pool or a non-nude beach? Have you noticed at those places men are topless but women are not? Men’s and Women’s bodies are different. A man topless is not nude. A woman topless is nude.

I’d be a lot happier if everyone kept their clothes on since most people, male or female, are quite unpleasant looking without garments, but there is no reason for male toplessness to be considered less “offensive” than female toplessness.

Men’s and women’s bodies are different.

If even if you see no reason, you know that society considers female toplessness to be nudity while male toplessness isn’t.

I think my past comments have revealed that I’m not too concerned with arbitrary societal considerations like which gender’s insults are worse or which gender’s chest is more frightening. Perhaps it’s because I was raised in a big family in a tiny house with no privacy, but nudity regardless of gender is just something that I grew up not being scared of and I don’t see much of a problem with it in designated spaces like in a home or at the beach or a pool or the locker room. Like I said, I don’t like it when people aren’t fully clothed because most people look rather unpleasant, but I don’t like pointless double standards. It’s nothing you haven’t seen before anyway so just either ignore it or look away if it’s that disturbing.

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#1133512
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Not in my usage it doesn’t.

How do you use it then?

I guess that’s kind of a bad example on my part because it’s a rare word for me to use. I don’t really like the sound of it. On rare occasions, I use it to describe obnoxious people that can’t help but vocalize how gutless they are.

But don’t you see how “gutless” feeds into that stereotype?

Kind of, but I don’t think it matters because the words are separated from the genders in my mind. To quote a brilliant man, “Calling someone a pussy isn’t the same as saying ‘Don’t be such a woman.’ Calling somebody a dick isn’t the same as saying ‘Don’t be such a man.’” No one in this day and age with a shred of decency or intelligence believes that women are inherently gutless. I actually just realized why I hate all this language policing. It’s basically because we, and by we I mean people that aren’t complete morons and aren’t complete and total piles of shit, have to watch what we say because stupid people believe stereotypes. I hate stupid people more than anything on earth, and to me, judging people based on their color or gender is essentially the stupidest, most ignorant thing that a person can do. I don’t do that because I’m not stupid enough to believe there’s merit to racism or sexism, so why should I change up my arbitrarily-deemed-offensive insults because other people are stupid enough to believe a stereotype that I myself don’t believe and everyone that knows me knows I don’t believe?

Jeebus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I guess my hangup is that there is one specific gendered insult that is supposed to be far, far worse than any other, even other female-gendered insults, and is unacceptable in any context for very vague reasons of nondescript power dynamics and vague references to “history”. I know about the historical oppression of women, but why this word rather than any other?

I’m pretty sure it’s the same reason that “fuck” is a lot worse than “shit”.

Perhaps to a soccer mom it is, but like yhwx said, they’re kind of on par with each other. I’d say those two are considered worse because of what they literally mean, but then that brings up the hypocrisy of people considering “crap” worse than “shit” so, like I said, the only consistent way to handle this stuff is to either say they’re all okay, or they all aren’t. OR even better, you take it on a case by case basis. Did the person saying it use it in a way that made him asshole? If no, then move on. If yes, then, well, move on but remember that that guy is an asshole.

You’re looking at it as if it’s cut and dry. Gendered insults like pussy might seem like they’re harmless ultimately harmless, like you don’t really mean it in that way and that should be obvious. But the truth is that when a culture has an insult that’s irrevocably to a stereotype, whether you believe that stereotype or not, using the insult promotes it. It’s not like if you hear the word pussy enough you will suddenly come to the conclusion that women are gutless. It’s more subversive than that. It’s the kind of thing that feeds unconscious biases. Same thing with the other f-word and etc.

I guess I just don’t assign as much importance to individual words as you, or larger society for that matter. Interestingly enough, I actually gave y’all my thoughts on the so-called other f-word earlier, and no one cared! Why’s that?

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#1133511
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The rating system is awful and arbitrary, who cares what words they don’t like? Actually, the rating system legitimately is sexist. Exposed breasts of a woman will get you an R these days while the exposed chest of a man wouldn’t even push it to PG.

Have you visited a public pool or a non-nude beach? Have you noticed at those places men are topless but women are not? Men’s and Women’s bodies are different. A man topless is not nude. A woman topless is nude.

I’d be a lot happier if everyone kept their clothes on since most people, male or female, are quite unpleasant looking without garments, but there is no reason for male toplessness to be considered less “offensive” than female toplessness.

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#1133478
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t think it’s that ridiculous to have a prequel ahead of TFA.

I understand people not liking TFA (especially if the rehash stuff bothers you) but I don’t see how anyone can claim any of the prequels are better-made movies.

If you enjoy them more, I guess I understand that…sort of.

I think that the PT had a little more of a creative vision to it, as failed and sold-out as it was, whereas I don’t see any of that creativity in TFA, or Rogue One for that matter. As far a movie goes, yes TFA is much more watchable, which I suppose is all that counts for most movies, but when you’re never going to watch either TFA or the PT again, that counts for less.

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#1133474
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

SilverWook said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Not in my usage it doesn’t.

How do you use it then?

I guess that’s kind of a bad example on my part because it’s a rare word for me to use. I don’t really like the sound of it. On rare occasions, I use it to describe obnoxious people that can’t help but vocalize how gutless they are.

But don’t you see how “gutless” feeds into that stereotype?

Jeebus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I guess my hangup is that there is one specific gendered insult that is supposed to be far, far worse than any other, even other female-gendered insults, and is unacceptable in any context for very vague reasons of nondescript power dynamics and vague references to “history”. I know about the historical oppression of women, but why this word rather than any other?

I’m pretty sure it’s the same reason that “fuck” is a lot worse than “shit”.

Perhaps to a soccer mom it is, but like yhwx said, they’re kind of on par with each other. I’d say those two are considered worse because of what they literally mean, but then that brings up the hypocrisy of people considering “crap” worse than “shit” so, like I said, the only consistent way to handle this stuff is to either say they’re all okay, or they all aren’t. OR even better, you take it on a case by case basis. Did the person saying it use it in a way that made him asshole? If no, then move on. If yes, then, well, move on but remember that that guy is an asshole.

Fuck is definitely worse than shit. Which gets you an R-rating?

IIRC, the F bomb used to be an automatic R, but I think you’re allowed just one in a PG-13 film these days. Not sure how Spaceballs got away with one and kept it’s PG rating.

It’s been speculated Spielberg dropped some mild profanity into E.T. just to avoid the then dreaded G rating.

It was in Adventures in Babysitting a couple times.

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#1133471
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Not in my usage it doesn’t.

How do you use it then?

I guess that’s kind of a bad example on my part because it’s a rare word for me to use. I don’t really like the sound of it. On rare occasions, I use it to describe obnoxious people that can’t help but vocalize how gutless they are.

But don’t you see how “gutless” feeds into that stereotype?

Kind of, but I don’t think it matters because the words are separated from the genders in my mind. To quote a brilliant man, “Calling someone a pussy isn’t the same as saying ‘Don’t be such a woman.’ Calling somebody a dick isn’t the same as saying ‘Don’t be such a man.’” No one in this day and age with a shred of decency or intelligence believes that women are inherently gutless. I actually just realized why I hate all this language policing. It’s basically because we, and by we I mean people that aren’t complete morons and aren’t complete and total piles of shit, have to watch what we say because stupid people believe stereotypes. I hate stupid people more than anything on earth, and to me, judging people based on their color or gender is essentially the stupidest, most ignorant thing that a person can do. I don’t do that because I’m not stupid enough to believe there’s merit to racism or sexism, so why should I change up my arbitrarily-deemed-offensive insults because other people are stupid enough to believe a stereotype that I myself don’t believe and everyone that knows me knows I don’t believe?

Jeebus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I guess my hangup is that there is one specific gendered insult that is supposed to be far, far worse than any other, even other female-gendered insults, and is unacceptable in any context for very vague reasons of nondescript power dynamics and vague references to “history”. I know about the historical oppression of women, but why this word rather than any other?

I’m pretty sure it’s the same reason that “fuck” is a lot worse than “shit”.

Perhaps to a soccer mom it is, but like yhwx said, they’re kind of on par with each other. I’d say those two are considered worse because of what they literally mean, but then that brings up the hypocrisy of people considering “crap” worse than “shit” so, like I said, the only consistent way to handle this stuff is to either say they’re all okay, or they all aren’t. OR even better, you take it on a case by case basis. Did the person saying it use it in a way that made him asshole? If no, then move on. If yes, then, well, move on but remember that that guy is an asshole.

Fuck is definitely worse than shit. Which gets you an R-rating?

The rating system is awful and arbitrary, who cares what words they don’t like? Actually, the rating system legitimately is sexist. Exposed breasts of a woman will get you an R these days while the exposed chest of a man wouldn’t even push it to PG.

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#1133437
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Oh okay, I get what you’re saying. That definitely was not my school experience. Everything worse than H-E-L-L was met with equal condemnation. Everyone said whatever they wanted anyway when adults weren’t listening of course.

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#1133435
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

I don’t think it’s that ridiculous to have a prequel ahead of TFA. I didn’t like Rogue One either but at least that one was pretty straightforward and contained in itself, which I can appreciate and easily makes it better than the PT. I don’t get the love for TFA. It wasn’t my thing. I’ll the Last Jedi a chance though because I do like the new trio of leads but I don’t have high hopes.

For all its problems I’d still rather watch Jedi ten times in a row than watch the PT once.

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#1133431
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It should be up to us. We speak the language. If people were willing to take the time to realize the context and intent of people’s use of words then it would help a lot.

By “us” I meant the two of us. It’s not as easy as telling everyone “hey, that word that offends you? don’t be offended anymore.”

I try to be cordial with people, but I don’t want to police what I say for fear of someone that I’m not even talking to taking offense at it.

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#1133428
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Not in my usage it doesn’t.

How do you use it then?

I guess that’s kind of a bad example on my part because it’s a rare word for me to use. I don’t really like the sound of it. On rare occasions, I use it to describe obnoxious people that can’t help but vocalize how gutless they are.

Jeebus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I guess my hangup is that there is one specific gendered insult that is supposed to be far, far worse than any other, even other female-gendered insults, and is unacceptable in any context for very vague reasons of nondescript power dynamics and vague references to “history”. I know about the historical oppression of women, but why this word rather than any other?

I’m pretty sure it’s the same reason that “fuck” is a lot worse than “shit”.

Perhaps to a soccer mom it is, but like yhwx said, they’re kind of on par with each other. I’d say those two are considered worse because of what they literally mean, but then that brings up the hypocrisy of people considering “crap” worse than “shit” so, like I said, the only consistent way to handle this stuff is to either say they’re all okay, or they all aren’t. OR even better, you take it on a case by case basis. Did the person saying it use it in a way that made him asshole? If no, then move on. If yes, then, well, move on but remember that that guy is an asshole.

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#1133424
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

It should be up to us. We speak the language. If people were willing to take the time to realize the context and intent of people’s use of words then it would help a lot.

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