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“Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren discovered Snoke’s journal that states Somehow, Palpatine returned…”

Personally, I’d be a vote of simply removing Kylo wanting to take the throne and he simply tells Rey that “Together we can stop Palpatine.” (Or however it can go) That would be more on par with his motivation in this edit because Kylo doesn’t care about Sith (and the old things) and not outright saying kill Palps because of the reveal at the beginning. Not saying that isn’t what he is trying to figure out how to dispose of him, but it keeps the “logical problem” that both he and the audience knows that “Killing him isn’t simple due to that transfer thingy.”

Plus … wouldn’t it be an easier thing to convince Rey of “Lets stop the big bad guy” and not “Let straight up murder his face.” What would a Jedi-in-training be more convinced to with? (Not saying it outright wouldn’t work to “trick” the Jedi, but come on, what would be more successful?)

😂 that is hilarious.

Hal 9000 said:

I’m gonna be very picky about the crawl. I really like what we have already, aside from adjusting that one word. I don’t envision a total rewrite, and do not wish to introduce Palpatine in the crawl. Watching these platonically with no knowledge of marketing, that’s just silly to me. Might as well open with “Fuck it, somehow Palpatine returned.”

I agree with that assessment, the crawl is fine just minus a word swap to help align better with the edit’s direction.

Lol, I would laugh at a crawl spoof edit that just contains that sentence. But has the same speed and timing of SW crawls. Lol.

Also side note about Kylo’s motivation, removing him wanting the throne to be simply “let’s stop palpatine” just helps clean things up, motivation wise without “Well, Kylo didn’t give a rat’s behind about Sith stuff … now he cares all of the sudden and Palps is just a Snoke replacement … or was Snoke a replacement for Palps? Meh, whatever. He’s just an underling again.” Hahah.

I wouldn’t be specific on the crawl if there is a revision (but changing it to silencing from destroying is vague enough) to blatantly talk about communication issues since … nothing is stated in the movie nor any resolve to “fix” that issue … since it isn’t there. I’d take the simple route, but still vote removing Poe’s line about giving up since it doesn’t work with this edit’s direction.

No gracias.

Really like the Rey sith eyes and its meaning with the scene. I dig it for both characters and motivations/fears later on. (Kylo motivation for her to join him, since she totally went Dark on him and her fear of going to the dark since she did it before)

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Master Lawdog said:

What about giving her Sith yellow eyes when she flares at herself?

Who was it that was skilled at EBsynth? That’s the program that person was using to modify the eyes like that.

I suppose I could look into the program myself. Hopefully it isn’t too hard to understand.

I hope you can, the Sith eye replacement would be soooo great.

As for the dialogue, it is strange “now” that with Ascendant having the “flames of rebellion” in the crawl (also depending if the simple graffiti and background riot noise) that Poe says "everyone’s given up. The rest of his thought is fine, but the last part doesn’t really fit now. I mean, he may think “it is over” since no one is “joining up with the resistance,” but the crawl is already saying “people are doing stuff.” Maybe even removing that line can help with that? I mean, he should have at least the minimalist of information that people are starting to rise up … that’s the opposite of people giving up.

Again, the conversation is already not the greatest so I dunno if anything can be altered … maybe just:

“I can’t walk out on this war. Not 'til it’s over. Maybe it is.”

So then Zorii responds to just him thinking it’s over? Dunno how that would work.

Dunno, I admit I don’t have a good answer due to the new direction of Ascendant. (Which I like BTW)

Kinda on topic, would it help to make the graffiti stuff someone subtle? I wonder that so the impact of the fleet and the “for skywalker” shouts at the end be the lead up to that paying off, and not being partially revealed. So somewhat vague/subtle “random” graffiti and however to make the “background action” more of a riot then an all out “rebellion/battle” … it may plant the seeds some more and not mess up too much on this Poe and Zorii dialogue. If it comes off across as “Full on rebellion on this battle, people literally are fighting against the FO” and Poes thinks “Well, no one is doing anything” … despite what’s going on around him.

Not sure how to convey it being a riot, but I am thinking if there is to be graffiti or anything, it should be more more vague and subtle to convey it as a bit of a riot and uprising … which would explain why the FO troopers are walking around and knocking on door securing things … they are treating it like a riot and making a parameter and conveying the extent of the riot/uprising as opposed to a battle field … it probably would be conveyed better with however the dialogue with Poe, edited or not?

Not sure if that makes any sense. Lol.

ThisIsCreation said:

You guys are taking non interesting moments and pumping them full of meaning. I love it

I agree, just checked stuff out and I’m liking these ideas, fantastic

@MR - Bro, your saber stuff has been fine! I agree with the rest here! Keep it up … until your computer catches on fire!

@Lawdog - nice job keeping in touch with AI, it’ll be promising. Good work!

I agree whole sentences would sound off, but getting words or syllables to fill in things … it could be doable. It would be great if they respond and are willing to provide help with it.

Not much to do while certain important things are being handled by others … so yeah … we just keep coming up with other things in the meantime. I wish I had some skill to try this stuff, lol.

As for the graffiti stuff, I would have the focus be images that “tell” us what they mean. I’d also like to have some aurebesh for us nerds. But again, the images are the focus since most people wouldn’t know what it is or how to read it. Plus … images are better since these are relatively quick shots.

Obviously, he didn’t want the shuttle to get dinged, so he parked it far away and probably was taking up two spots.

sherlockpotter said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

omnimuffin said:

Hal 9000 said:

Just sent the auralnauts a cordial message asking if they’d be at all interested.

It seems like if we did redub 3PO, it would open the question of how Kylo knew to go to Endor. Although, honestly… it’s hard to care too much about it anyway. The film doesn’t answer this other than allowing one to guess Kylo also had it translated. It does, however, establish then and there that Kylo “know[s] where she’s going” at least. That would be missing from this cut. It seems like the cost for reinstating it here would be to also reinstate the premature reveal that Chewie is alive.

Another issue is that 3PO translating the inscription doesn’t give the characters any solid information. In the theatrical, it provided important information and the heroes had to have both that knowledge and the blade itself. In this proposed plot revision, they would essentially only learn that they… need to get the blade back. All they’d learn is that Rey needs to tap into darkness somehow. Feels a little muddy.

It does seem like this muddies the movie more than it cleans it up. Personally, I’d just accept the doofy Goonies-style treasure clues as a cheesy but essential element of the movie and leave that portion relatively intact, because much of the movie is structured around them.

No kidding. Nobody says “well now we have to get the dagger back” after 3PO’s message plays (in fact, they seem more happy about the message than anything since Babu celebrates). Furthermore, Finn even questions why Rey is heading off to explore the ship by saying “Chewie is this way.” Never at one point do the characters say “go look for the dagger.” It’s always “We’re coming, Chewie” and “go save your friend”.

It’s honestly quite mind-boggling how much this movie relies on the dagger giving an exact answer.

Does Babu give a frak that the Wayfinder is on Endor? I thought he just cheers because his hack worked.

And all you’d need to do is swap in some new Poe dialogue. From:

Rey: We need the dagger.
Poe: Why?
Rey: A feeling.

To:

Rey: We need the dagger.
Poe: You know where?
Rey: A feeling.

Like I’ve said, I just don’t see how the dagger translation not explicitly telling them what to do is more contrived than an ancient Sith Artifact listing the exact coordinates of the 30-year-old Death Star.

Yep.

I think the obvious choice is to have the trooper at the end responds Nani?!

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I’ll see myself out.

It’s a mess already … I don’t think having that audio clip would add any more confusion since … they are the same dang thing. Lol.

If the visions show some of those Endor shots and a close up of the Wayfinder in the “vault” (using 4K source maybe would help so it isn’t a straight up scene copying) would help sell it. Throw in some voice clips of Palps or whoever/whatever to give it that vision-ness style or feel.

Total Pipe dream, but if someone was to recreate a DSII explosion that took the same “explosion style” from the lates ROTJ, that way it isn’t a full on rip AND it has a resolution/coloring/etc. that would match this movie would be cool too. Have the explosion scene / wreckage / wayfinder. Throw in some voice clips maybe of palps, Kylo, etc/whatever and there you go! Again this is a pipe dream about using some “new” footage, but could be nifty.

As a counter thought Hal, which you do bring up good points … There is no explanation, in the movie (quite Jar Jar with your books/EU outside of the movie 😉) about Kylo showing up. The Force moves with the plot unfortunately, so even if he does show up without explanation … it doesn’t matter. The only tangible explanation would be the whole Dyad thing. After the Star Destroyer/Hanger/whatever scene … we see these two more connected than ever. Maybe that can be the explanation without having to explain it? Sure. Could Palps have told Kylo behind the scenes “Prove yourself loyal, kill Rey at the DSII where my Wayfinder is you punk.” … sure. Again, remember, the original movies gives NO explanation … so we just have to go with it. Kylo is Rey’s stalker after all…

As for the Rey thing … if there is some solid vision during the scene where she grabs the dagger and shows some CLEAR imagery … and use the Finn line from earlier about him talking about Endor later, as if Rey told him off screen … it can work. I think the key is using a good vision with solid images that points to Endor that will sell it. We literally can use the audio of Finn using the word Endor … which I think Sherlock did some tests to sell it when they were on Orchi’s ship. It works, especially for a movie that already relies on outside sources to explain things … this edit is actually TRYING to make the important things happen in the movie for explanation and not rely on books or tweets to do that. Oh my.

EDIT: Also, I want to give another nod to Nev with what he has done with the castle stuff. It is workin very well and is connecting the dots. Using just that shot you have done (and maybe adding 3 FO Ties) with the first shot Poppa did will blend great. We see an overview of Mustafar that shows more green, and with the next shot we clearly see trees and plant life has grown in Mustafar since the last time we saw it in Rouge One (with Vader not being there … pretty much life has found its way AKA Jurasic Park Reference 😄) and it really helps make sense of things when we see Kylo and the battle on the ground.

My Goodness, it is kinda irritating what we got from this movie without some of these key things fan editors are having to do … to make things make sense. LOL.

The Lord of the Fleet: The Two Wayfinders.

Nev … bro … there’s a freakin forest. Very, very nice!

I’ve been away a bit but gotta day, first the Palpy scream works. I was concerned it wouldn’t have sounded like a straight rip from ROTS but it doesn’t, so its ok in my book.

The mustafar shot with the first is fantastic. Wow! It combines everything so well.

Also for the idea Sherlock is talking about, it is interesting and the idea of a more explanation on affairs can be good if done right.

Not sure on the rational of the use of it, to be honest.