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#1198406
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Ryan-SWI said:

DrDre said:

Mavimao said:

DrDre said:

I have to say, I enjoyed TLJ a lot on bluray. I’m gonna miss Snoke though. I love a true evil mofu…

Huh!.. very interesting turn of opinion. What changed your mind when rewarching it on home video if you don’t mind me asking?

I enjoy Mark Hamill’s performance a lot.

Not a fan of how the film plays out but I’ll vehemently defend Mark’s performance, I think he did an outstanding job.

Of the list of complaints I have of the film, the acting is definitely not one of them.

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#1194623
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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On the same line of thought, one thing one of my casual star wars watching friends noticed is that to them Rey felt more like she was a supporting character for Luke and Kylo’s stories, rather than the lead character she was touted to be in TFA, and I can’t say I disagree. Now, as a director I can’t say my own ideas would be any better than RJ’s, but my idea to fix it would’ve been to at least give Rey her own plot point in having little to no control over the force. Like her force abilities are growing faster than she is able to keep them in check.

I feel doing that, it’d change the dynamic of Luke and Rey’s lessons, with Rey growing more frustrated that Luke is focusing more on telling her why the Jedi were bad than actually helping her with her problems. It’d also give Rey a reason to turn to Kylo for help, as he could actually be trying to teach her what she needs to learn, rather than a vague sense of, “I still feel good in him.”

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#1194613
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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oojason said:

Possessed said:

TV’s Frink said:

timdiggerm said:

You know what doesn’t suck about Canto Bight? The music.

Also other stuff.

Such as? I mean I liked the last jedi alot and i even liked Rose and Finn, but I hated the whole Canto sequence except DJ. It takes the whole movie to a grinding halt and the only real purpose it serves the story is to get all the characters into an even worse situation. Granted it is nice to have more of Finn and Rose bonding, and without the sequence there isn’t enough of that, but that doesn’t excuse the (IMHO of course) poor quality of it. But I’m legitimately curious to hear what you like about it, because I love the film as a whole and would love a different perspective to consider while watching it when I get to this scene to excuse it in my mind while watching.

This may be of some interest to you for consideration mate - https://i.redd.it/lrjogkba1c701.jpg

It has been posted before - so apologies if you’ve already seen it. Whilst I think some of the Canto Bight scenes could have been done better… I think it’s an important part of how Finn comes to commit to the Resistance (culminating in his ‘Rebel Scum’ line to Phasma) - where previously in the film he’s really just looking out for his friend.

Just my two penneth on it.

Is it a bad thing I kind of wish Finn and Rose’s roles were reversed in the film? Rose loses Morale over the death of her sister, while Canto Blight gives her reason to fight again.

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#1186848
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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SilverWook said:

It’s not unreasonable that an untrained Force sensitive kid might learn to do a few parlor tricks like pulling a broom to his hand without ever being able to do much more than that. Interestingly enough, it’s those kind of parlor tricks Anakin does around Padme in AOTC, even though he says Obi Wan frowns on such frivolous use of the Force.*

*We later see Obi Wan use the Force to open and close doors mere inches away from his grasp. Which makes him out to be a bit of a hypocrite. 😛

I mean, those could just be the automatic doors you see everywhere, and he’s just like the rest of us. 😛

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#1185543
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DominicCobb said:

Interesting speculations. In my mind this all goes back to the mindset of whether you’re open to new possibilities or not. Hyperspace has been ill-defined enough in this franchise for there to be a sort of gap in possibilities where this can happen. The fact that it’s never happened before doesn’t mean that makes this impossible, it just tells you what is possible with this power and what isn’t. So while before we had no idea if hyperspace could be weaponized, now we know it can be effective is specific situations, but presumably not a course of action worth exploring in other situations.

From my perspective, it’s not hard to see how the logic of this works. Honestly, it seems to me like you have to bend over backwards to try to be bothered be it, but if people want to, that’s up to them I suppose.

(as for Holdo’s fate, as I’ve said I’m pretty sure what happened here was the Raddus impacted with the Supremacy before it enter hyperspace.)

It depends. I like internal consistency in my worlds. Harry Potter and the Cursed
Child’s handling of time travel, as an example, goes against what prior books established, and it irks me to no end. Meanwhile, for Star Wars and hyperspace ramming, it’s entirely out of the blue, with nothing before it to compare to. I can easily see why it’s divisive. It has no rules to compare to; all we have to go by is what we’ve seen on screen (really effective), and the fact that it’s never been attempted before. Most likely it’s unreliable for some reason, but why? We can speculate all we want, but we don’t have enough information to work with.

TLJ doesn’t need to tell us everything, it can tell its own thing. Really, it has more ramifications for other works in the franchise, which are shackled with treating the world like a real place with some kind of rules governing it.

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#1185487
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Makes sense to me that a ship would need to accelerate to the proverbial 88mph to punch a hole through realspace in order to enter hyperspace. *shrug*

This, especially when the visuals of going to hyperspace imply as much.

Also, people seem to think that this means TLJ is portraying hyperspeed is some kinda superpowerful attack method. But the way I saw it, the hyperspeed was just the fastest and most effective way to get the Raddus in contact with the Supremacy.

As long you don’t care about real life physics, which I 1000% don’t (and neither does Star Wars, nor has it ever, unless you’re referring to some EU hard sci-fi mumbo that has no place in this franchise), I’m honestly not sure why it’s an issue. I get if you’re super into science or whatever and you know that going to lightspeed can do all sorts of wacky stuff and that bothers you, but I don’t think it’s that hard to leave that at the door when you go to a fantasy film. As to this breaking established rules of the franchise, I still have yet to see anyone explain how this is the case, when they’ve literally explained next to nothing about how hyperspace works in the films.

But again, if you want to be bothered by something that shouldn’t reasonably be bothersome, go ahead.

I disagree. To me that’s a philosophy, where in fiction anything goes. So, it doesn’t matter, because fantasy doesn’t adhere to the real physics. However, imo to suspend disbelief fiction has to adhere to some set of rules, and be internally consistent. This is where I have a problem with TLJ on many fronts. In this instance, apart from the fact, that accelerating to lightspeed doesn’t make much physical sense,

By your own definition this shouldn’t be an issue. If Star Wars is fantasy, there should be no reason to not roll with the fact that ships need to accelerate into lightspeed, just like the Delorean (note that every time we see a ship go into lightspeed it looks like they are doing exactly this).

the hyperspace kamikaze proofs a hyperspace projectile is a much more powerful weapon than a torpedo, which begs the question why they are not widely used in the GFFA? The fact that any space battle in the GFFA would have been over in minutes with such weaponary, is bothersome to me, since the technology has been available for decades, and then I’ve not even mentioned the fact, that a kamikaze attack is pretty nonsensical in a universe with such advanced AI as the GFFA.

Like I said, I don’t think the hyperspace is the most important part of this equation. Colliding a ship the size of the Raddus would do a lot of damage no matter what, accelerating to hyperspeed was just the fastest and most efficient way to get it in contact with the Supremacy.

When you consider this, there’s not a single other time in these films where this would have been an effective strategy. Not only does the Raddus look like the biggest ship the Rebellion/Resistance has ever had, there was no point where completely wasting a capitol ship that size would have made any significant difference. The Death Star is pretty much the only time(s) they were trying to take down something big like the Supremacy, but the Death Stars were so big that ramming a ship through them at lightspeed wouldn’t do close to the damage shown done to the Supremacy, and I’d imagine the station would probably be back up and running in a week.

You don’t need a ship like the Raddus. An object the size of a football would have the same impact as detonating a nuclear bomb. An unmanned ship or torpedo the size of an X-wing would to tremendous damage equivalent to dropping a thousand nukes. I think the Death Star would be out of commission permanently, especially if such an attack would be directed at the disk.

Weird that apparently like RJ, you’re trying to have your cake and eat it too. So do you care about real life physics in Star Wars, or not? If you actually only care about consistent in-universe logic as you claim, then this is not an issue. Never before have we seen an object collide via hyperspeed in Star Wars.

In my opinion, it is not reasonable to expect Star Wars to follow the actual laws of physics in every regard, so therefore it is not reasonable to expect Star Wars to follow the laws of physics in regard to lightspeed collision (why this and not the other things it gets wrong?).

Considering TLJ is the first instance of a lightspeed collision, this is where Star Wars is establishing its physics for a lightspeed collision. And in its version, a lightspeed collision clearly does not have the power of “a thousand nukes” or maybe even one nuke.

It clearly has the power of conventional GFFA weapons many times over. The Raddus cut through the Supremacy like butter, which is a ship the size of width of 20 km or 1/6 the size of the Death Star. So, the film itself depicts the energy released as equivalent to the power of many conventional weapons, which in themselves seem quite a bit more powerful than the weapons on planet earth. Hence, the only logical conclusion is, that a hyperspace collision in the GFFA as depicted by TLJ has the power of many nukes.

We see it slice through the wing of the Supremacy, but the majority of the ship is left more or less in tact (though probably out of commission). Considering, as you say, the Supremacy is 1/6 the size of the Death Star, it is not unreasonable to suppose that it might not cause a significant enough damage to be viable method of attack on that station.

As for having the greatest power of any GFFA weapon, sure, but again this is a massive ship we’re talking about, the biggest that’s ever been shown in the Rebel fleet. It is not unreasonable to assume that an X-wing kamikaze-ing at lightspeed into the Supremacy wouldn’t have done nearly the same damage.

If we’re going to do the Physics of Light speed collisions based on what we see on screen, it seems like these collisions are high damage, but super precise. Shooting an X-wing sized craft would likely be even more precise, but we can’t say anything about its force. Likely though I assume it’s like comparing a handgun to a rifle. It all depends on how thick our target is, and where we hit.

How deep we can get into the death star? I actually think we can get to the reactor core to start the chain reaction, but the issue then becomes aiming for it. Likely the navi-computer isn’t designed to hit the reactor, but to get near your destination without hitting a star. Anything smaller than a planet is too unlikely to be targettable. Is the targetting computer precise enough? Maybe, but I don’t feel like it is.

Another wrinkle in this discussion though: We assume she was killed in the attack, but was she actually? I assume the novel says yes, she was, but what Ramifications are there if she wasn’t?

(I’m not for one side or the other of the debate, I just love extrapolating physics)

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#1184719
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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SilverWook said:

trimboNZ said:

Mrebo said:

You’ve undermined your thesis that people are merely conditioned to like lower frame rates. People readily accepted talkies and color.

Not even slightly. Both colour and talkies were fiercely resisted at first. Chromophobia was the popular position among artists of the time. Of course, all three advances make the films appear closer to real life and therefore further diminish the illusion of stepping away from reality for two hours. Amusingly the same happened to a lesser extent with the migration of television to HD - people complained how sharp and fake it looked.

But I’ve probably derailed this thread long enough. Do you think we’re likely to see more weaponized hyperdrives in canon now?

You do know many silent films originally had color tinting?

And when sound film was starting to become a thing, one of its detractors was disparaging talking, but praised that you could use it to include musical scores with the film to add emotion.

SilverWook said:

Matt.F said:

‘Mega Destroyer Incursion’ deleted scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3yPL5tVo_E

What a wonderful and expansive set! Real shame this scene didn’t stay in (at least the first part until the doors close). Must have been some serious $ dollars to shoot this scene, with the scale and all the extras, left on the cutting room floor.

The Officer in the white uniform is a good British TV character actor too, he had a recurring role in Ricky Gervais The Office.

LOL! That was great. Funny and tense at the same time. Pity they cut it.

Ok, watching through it, that’s not the scene of Finn being mistaken for an officer I swore made it into the film. (I haven’t had a chance to look at the official Blu-Ray, so I can’t comment on what the scene I was thinking of was.)

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#1184695
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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lovelikewinter said:

Tobar said:

lovelikewinter said:

Why do people give a crap about Snoke?

Because he destroyed Luke’s Jedi Academy by seducing Ben Solo to the Dark Side? How is that not interesting?

It sounds a lot like the Prequels. I’m more interested in Kylo doing what Vader couldn’t: killing the master and taking over.

For me it’s not that I want to know who Snoke is and his backstory, so much as why this is a continuation of the Star Wars Saga, rather than a reboot of it, or its own franchise. It’s not a question that TLJ needed to answer (and it wouldn’t necessarily have been a better film if it did), but it is a question I’ve found myself asking as I think about it more.

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#1183071
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DuracellEnergizer said:

oojason said:

https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/973564846863273984

‘Even as the cast felt overjoyed after the triumphant premiere of #TheLastJedi, the guy in the upper-left corner was already silently composing a mean-tweet about how he thought the movie SHOULD have been.’

No comment on Gwendoline Christie’s ghost peaking her head through the back wall?

Someone pointed it out earlier, but I can’t unsee the illusion that Andy Serkis looks photoshopped into the pic.

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#1178379
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

flametitan said:

DominicCobb said:

flametitan said:

DominicCobb said:

flametitan said:

Wait, I thought the scene with Finn and the one storm trooper was in the film. Or do they just mean they shortened it down?

By one stormtrooper do you mean Phasma?

Nono, it was before they were caught, but I think after BB-H8 noticed them. The one where the trooper was surprised at how quickly Finn was rising in the ranks.

Not in the movie.

Wow, I must be having one of those “grappling hook” moments of my own, because I swore there was a quick scene where someone recognized Finn, and I didn’t even read those articles about the guy being cut.

In your version what accent did he have?

Nothing that really stood out to me as far as accents went (but I don’t pick up accents well). He sounded young though, and gave me the impression he was a fresh recruit more than anything, and a little in his late teens/early 20’s. The big thing was less he was surprised Finn got promoted faster than him, but more at how fast Finn got promoted, surprised he was seen as officer material.

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#1178331
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

flametitan said:

DominicCobb said:

flametitan said:

Wait, I thought the scene with Finn and the one storm trooper was in the film. Or do they just mean they shortened it down?

By one stormtrooper do you mean Phasma?

Nono, it was before they were caught, but I think after BB-H8 noticed them. The one where the trooper was surprised at how quickly Finn was rising in the ranks.

Not in the movie.

Wow, I must be having one of those “grappling hook” moments of my own, because I swore there was a quick scene where someone recognized Finn, and I didn’t even read those articles about the guy being cut.

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#1178266
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

flametitan said:

Wait, I thought the scene with Finn and the one storm trooper was in the film. Or do they just mean they shortened it down?

By one stormtrooper do you mean Phasma?

Nono, it was before they were caught, but I think after BB-H8 noticed them. The one where the trooper was surprised at how quickly Finn was rising in the ranks.

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#1157716
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YouTube/Vimeo/etc... Star Wars finds
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oojason said:

‘Bruce Lee Lightsabers Scene Recreation’…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQC29joihwU

😃

The Lightsabre Nunchuk is probably one of the more dangerous variations of Light weapons known to the Galaxy. It was known to have been used by only a few Force Users; the Jedi Council quickly outlawed them after a number of padawans were maimed or killed when they accidentally hit themselves