darthrush

OT member Phase3 had a wonderful suggestion for altering the final duel in the Kenobi series so that we don’t end on Obi-Wan’s baffling choice to let Vader live. The basic idea is to move the burying obi-wan in rocks to the very end of the duel so that after Kenobi walks away from Vader with a sliced helmet, he screams out “Obi-Wan” then cracks the ground with the force, proceeding to bury Obi-Wan, walk away from the fight the victor. Then Obi-Wan climbs out and the fight is over.

If we can make this work, I think it would make the duel even more amazing than it already is (I quite enjoyed the fight outside of the nonsensical ending where Obi-Wan lets Vader live).

I created a mock-up of this idea. The changes so far:

-Reversing the flow of Kenobi retreating so it links smoothly to the later part of the duel.
-Flip shot of ground breaking for visual continuity.
-Removed Vader’s line “And that is why you will always lose” as he breaks the ground, rough sfx replaced (can be polished later)
-Cropped out vader of wide shot of ground breaking for visual continuity.
-Removed vader’s line “Did you really think you could defeat me?” after he buries him.
-Rearranged shots of Vader walking away for better flow

The one key change remaining to tie this whole idea together is somehow changing the final shots of the rock burying so that Vader’s helmet is still sliced in half. I don’t know who would have the special effects skills to do this but perhaps a community effort would achieve this.

Mock-up of the rearranged duel: https://streamable.com/myzuo3

OT member Phase3 had a wonderful suggestion for altering the final duel in the Kenobi series so that we don’t end on Obi-Wan’s baffling choice to let Vader live. The basic idea is to move the burying obi-wan in rocks to the very end of the duel so that after Kenobi walks away from Vader with a sliced helmet, he screams out “Obi-Wan” then cracks the ground with the force, proceeding to bury Obi-Wan, walk away from the fight the victor. Then Obi-Wan climbs out and the fight is over.

If we can make this work, I think it would make the duel even more amazing than it already is (I quite enjoyed the fight outside of the nonsensical ending where Obi-Wan lets Vader live).

I created a mock-up of this idea. The changes so far:

-Reversing the flow of Kenobi retreating so it links smoothly to the later part of the duel.
-Flip shot of ground breaking for visual continuity.
-Removed Vader’s line “And that is why you will always lose” as he breaks the ground, rough sfx replaced (can be polished later)
-Cropped out vader of wide shot of ground breaking for visual continuity.
-Removed vader’s line “Did you really think you could defeat me?” after he buries him.
-Rearranged shots of Vader walking away for better flow

The one key change remaining to tie this whole idea together is somehow changing the final shots of the rock burying so that Vader’s helmet is still sliced in half. I don’t know who would have the special effects skills to do this but perhaps a community effort would achieve this.

Mock-up of the rearranged duel: https://streamable.com/myzuo3

OT member Phase3 had a wonderful suggestion for altering the final duel in the Kenobi series so that we don’t end on Obi-Wan’s baffling choice to let Vader live. The basic idea is to move the burying obi-wan in rocks to the very end of the duel so that after Kenobi walks away from Vader with a sliced helmet, he screams out “Obi-Wan” then cracks the ground with the force, proceeding to bury Obi-Wan, walk away from the fight the victor. Then Obi-Wan climbs out and the fight is over.

If we can make this work, I think it would make the duel even more amazing than it already is (I quite enjoyed the fight outside of the nonsensical ending where Obi-Wan lets Vader live).

I created a mock-up of this idea. The changes so far:

-Reversing the flow of Kenobi retreating so it links smoothly to the later part of the duel.
-Flip shot of ground breaking for visual continuity.
-Removed Vader’s line “And that is why you will always lose” as he breaks the ground, rough sfx replaced (can be polished later)
-Cropped out vader of wide shot of ground breaking for visual continuity.
-Removed vader’s line “Did you really think you could defeat me?” after he buries him.
-Rearranged shots of Vader walking away for better flow

The one key change remaining to tie this whole idea together is somehow changing the final shots of the rock burying so that Vader’s helmet is still sliced in half. I don’t know who would have the special effects skills to do this but perhaps a community effort would achieve this.

Mock-up of the rearranged duel: https://streamable.com/myzuo3

OT member Phase3 had a wonderful suggestion for altering the final duel in the Kenobi series so that we don’t end on Obi-Wan’s baffling choice to let Vader live. The basic idea is to move the burying obi-wan in rocks to the very end of the duel so that after Kenobi walks away from Vader with a sliced helmet, he screams out “Obi-Wan” then cracks the ground with the force, proceeding to bury Obi-Wan, walk away from the fight the victor. Then Obi-Wan climbs out and the fight is over.

If we can make this work, I think it would make the duel even more amazing than it already is (I quite enjoyed the fight outside of the nonsensical ending where Obi-Wan lets Vader live).

I created a mock-up of this idea. The changes so far:

-Reversing the flow of Kenobi retreating so it links smoothly to the later part of the duel.
-Flip shot of ground breaking for visual continuity.
-Removed Vader’s line “And that is why you will always lose” as he breaks the ground, rough sfx replaced (can be polished later)
-Cropped out vader of wide shot of ground breaking for visual continuity.
-Removed vader’s line “Did you really think you could defeat me?” after he buries him.
-Rearranged shots of Vader walking away for better flow

The one key change remaining to tie this whole idea together is somehow changing the final shots of the rock burying so that Vader’s helmet is still sliced in half. I don’t know who would have the special effects skills to do this but perhaps a community effort would achieve this.

Mock-up of the rearranged duel: https://streamable.com/myzuo3

G&G-Fan said:

I really don’t see how it improves the pacing. If anything I’d say it has a negative effect on it. You spend way too much time away from the main villains to the point where you start to wonder what’s going on with them. The way it is in the final movie is perfect. You’re shown what the villains are doing, and then after the first sequence with the heroes we are updated with the status of the villains.

Plus the Vader scene is great and helps give build up to the Emperor’s arrival.

Agreed. I love many of the ideas for this edit but I kept in the Vader arrival scene for this reason in my own edit of Rotj. I also kinda always loved since I was a kid how Vader’s arrival tends to hype up the importance of the Emperor arriving.

RogueLeader said:

I like the shots of yours better, but I think the music flows better in L8wtr. Just need a little more tweaking maybe.

Thank you for the feedback, I’ll try tweaking the audio transition a bit.

RogueLeader said:

Long time no see, darthrush!

It’s great to be back!

Adywan’s edits and the slew of new Kenobi movie edits brought me back I guess! haha

P.S. what do you think of L8wtr versus my version of the Anakin v Obi Wan fight ending?

leftshoe18 said:

I honestly like L8wtr’s version a little bit more. Your version feels “off-beat” if that makes sense. Like the timing between Obi-Wan and Anakin jumping is off.

Interesting, thank you for the feedback. Oddly enough that is precisely my issue with L8wtr’s version. We cut immeditaely from a shot of Anakin swiping beneath Obi wan’s feet as he leaps up directly to the next shot of Anakin jumping up, without any time between showing Obi-wan complete the jump so that Anakin’s stance can change for the shot of him jumping.

I’ve seen the end of the fight between Anakin vs Obi-Wan on Mustafar handled different ways in fanedits but my favorite solution of them all has been the way L8wtr handled it in his edit “Dawn of the Empire”.

He eliminates all the “high ground” and “you underestimate my powers” dialogue so that it’s a quick cut with Anakin immediately jumping after Obi Wan does.

Conceptually I LOVE this idea but have always found L8wtr’s execution here lacking. So I tried editing this scene myself with just a tad bit more of time between Obi wan and Anakin’s jump. I showed it to a friend unfamiliar with fanedits and he loved the change. I feel like this achieves what L8wtr was going for in this scene with a little more smoothness.

Let me know what ya’ll think!

L8wtr’s version: https://streamable.com/ne62j1

Darthrush’s version: https://streamable.com/91smb3

LordZerome1080 said:

Penny Land The Beatles

Great tune

That looks fantastic Adywan!

Kylo is a compelling character that Adam Driver really brings to life.

Contrary to many folks, I actually liked Kylo Ren far more in TLJ than TFA. I also really like reading all your takes, especially Jeebus and Dom’s back and forth, which had a lot of interesting thoughts.

For the sake of other users I will not quote your post but I really love all your ideas RogueLeader! Some insightful points you made about how to tailor this as a stand alone prequel.

I am interested in what you all think about turning episode 3 into a standalone prequel film.

I have always considered it the best entry in the prequel trilogy, mainly due to it’s compelling story. It would be great to view it in a marathon as the only prequel but this would require a new crawl and maybe some other changes in the story.

What would have to be included in the new crawl, among other cuts/additions to make it work as a standalone prequel film?

I think some of the biggest challenges are establishing the array of villains in the movie and Anakin/Obi Wan’s history. And the past can be altered since episode 3 would stand alone. The crawl could even specify that Anakin was found by the Jedi as a teenager rather than as a kid, as well as specifying that it was Obi Wan alone who sought out Anakin.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Some day I’ll post the amazing story of my most-religious-ever best friend from high school. Sealed the deal for me, as to why I’ll never become a Christian. It’s a lengthy story so it will take at least an hour of free time to get it all down.

I’d be interested as well to hear this story.

snooker said:

DominicCobb said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

The movie is about a man who emotionally abuses his students into becoming good musicians. It works, of course, and everyone, including that monster, gets a happy ending. It’s the most viscerally unpleasant film I’ve ever sat through, and I only stuck with it just hoping it was leading to a grand, cathartic ending in which, idk, the teacher would get a drumstick shoved all the way up his fucking nose, but no. The kid does good on the drum at a show and everyone’s okay in te end.

Fuck.

That.

Let’s just say I had a very different interpretation of the film.

+1000000

+100000000 J.K. Simmons’ screaming at me.

Collipso said:

tomorrow never knows…

turn off your mind, relax and float down stream…

ChainsawAsh said:

For sure, but I’d love to hear a stereo mix of it that isn’t lazy.

Agreed. Revolver could be pretty awesome in stereo if done correctly.

DuracellEnergizer said:

It’d be nice if I could still say any SW film was a favourite of mine. Unfortunately, that time has passed.

Same.

Buttttt, I do think that the original Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back will forever be in my top 10 favorites. They are still fantastic movies in their own right that changed cinema forever. They just don’t quite make it as my number one favorites. Still up there.

Collipso said:

well now we have a lut! 😃

Absolutely. Already added it for this edit. Neverar’s LUT works wonderfully.

ChainsawAsh said:

And I’m still sitting here waiting for a good stereo mix of Revolver…

Easily the most overlooked album when it comes to remixes and such. The mono Revolver is superb though so I have no qualms.

Possessed said:

Dahmage has been my brown eyed girl from day one, so you could say so.

Lol

Van Morrison - Astral Weeks 5/5

Van Morrison - Moondance 4.5/5

Anyone else here a big Morrison fan? He has quickly become one of my favorites.

The 50th anniversary white album release is very exciting!

I am most excited for the Esher demoes which is basically the unofficial “Beatles - Unplugged”. The remix for Back in the USSR that was released sounded nice and punchy.

The White album is chronologically the first Beatles release that I prefer in stereo. The 2014 mono vinyl releases of the Beatles catalogue are basically the holy grail of my music collection.

Fantastic Mr. Fox

Really lovely piece of work. Might be Anderson’s most well rounded piece of work.