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#1160163
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To Canon or Not To Canon...
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To me, canon is limited to what I want. As Star Wars it’s the most obvious example here, the only consistent canon for me is the OT. I enjoy the prequels, especially in edited form, more than most here, but they are “deuterocanonical” to me. When watching them, I can treat them as prequels. When watching the sequels, I can treat them as sequels and disregard the prequels. When reading the Thrawn Trilogy, I can treat them as the sequels and disregard the ST. And even when I read Splinter of the Mind’s Eye, I can disregard TESB as the sequel to SW. In other words, I can accept the Star Wars universe in various iterations without getting hung up. All of them are fictional anyway, so sometimes I just treat as canonical what makes sense in a particular situation. Only SW77 is consistent canon for me in 100% of all situations, with the other members of the OT equally canon in the second most situations.

Before I post this, it occurs to me that I should further point out that I love the radio dramas and novels in spite of their contradictions with the movie canon. I accept them internally and I’m fine with it. In fact, I love looking at them as alternative interpretations. Who would want only a single way to look at a fictional universe?

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#1159315
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No sh*zn*t, Sherlock!
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I do not want to give any impression that I am a Sherlock Holmes expert. However, I feel like I want to delve more into the origins of the series. So far, my greatest exposure has been three of the most prominent/recent iterations, though I know there are others, both recent and historical.

The Robert Downy, Jr. movies
The British series Sherlock
The American series Elementary

I truly enjoyed the RDJ versions, but when I watched Sherlock, I feel it blew the movies away completely. Elementary has its own unique twists and makes Sherlock more of a likable individual, but his deductive powers aren’t displayed as impressively (which could either add to or take away from the character, depending on how you look at it).

I guess I just felt we needed a thread to discuss Sherlock Holmes and our favorite incarnations. Perhaps we could share some recommendations.

***Please use spoiler warnings as appropriate!***

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#1158901
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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How many arrogant, ignorant jerks are also intelligent people? That’s the ticket to understanding the president’s mental capacity.

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#1158838
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Ask the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AKA Interrogate the Mormon
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moviefreakedmind said:

darth_ender said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

Is it a requirement?

I was commenting on the recent conversation.

Your comments don’t describe me. I’m not bigoted and I never have claimed to carry a banner of tolerance. I don’t understand why you could possibly think of me as being proudly tolerant but there’s plenty of things I don’t understand.

Definition of bigotry

While we’re at it, we could also look at the bolded sentence and research the term oxymoron.

I am tolerant in the sense that I am well aware that people have every right to believe whatever they want regardless of how I feel about it. Where we obviously differ is that you seem to be under the impression that beliefs themselves somehow have the right to be respected and appreciated. I don’t think that.

Look, beliefs do deserve some level of respect. The fact of the matter is that all people believe something different from you. Not every belief that differs from yours is inherently wrong, or inherently worse than yours, or automatically so inferior that it is not deserving of some level of respect. Religious people have done much of the good in this world. Even the very values you hold were shaped tremendously by Judeo-Christian values.

Even if you are unable to accept the entirety of someone else’s value system, that does not mean you have to throw out all possible good that is associated with it. Personally, I have found many of your statements (not just now, but for months) offensive and disappointing. Nevertheless, I feel you are generally a good person with a sadly negative view of the world.

I am not bigoted towards any people, but if you must say that I’m “bigoted” toward a religious creed in the literal sense of the word then I supposed you’re technically right in some way, though I would argue that rejecting a philosophy based on its history and core ideologies that I find objectionable isn’t a fair example of “bigotry.” It’s just my feeble

I never said your mind or thought processes were feeble, nor did I imply as much.

and intolerant,

This I have determined to be true, even if you do not care to admit it.

sociopathic

This was expressed as a concern, not as a definitive statement, and when you offered clarification of your views, I stated that it was not a correct determination.

mind coming to a conclusion based on what it has observed.

Then perhaps you are splitting. Forgive my use of psychological terms because there is truly no way to evaluate you across the Web; I want to be clear that it is not my intent to do so. However, some of your statements do seem to perhaps fit this mold. Perhaps, you might be able to identify if there is any truth to this postulation on your own.

(That last sentence was sarcasm by the way.)

EDIT: And I said that I don’t carry a banner of tolerance because most people confuse tolerance with amicable, cordial, and watered-down suggestions rather than criticism. I’m tolerant in that I accept that people can do and believe what they want, but I don’t have to like those beliefs or actions.

You certainly don’t have to like one’s beliefs or actions. I certainly don’t like everyone’s beliefs. But it truly is a weak mind that cannot find the net good in a person or ideology, in spite of the potential disagreement and bad qualities. There are very few truly evil philosophies in this world, and it is absolute intolerance to find so much that is reprehensible about so many things that are largely good.

Let me end with an analogy. A couple of years ago, I conducted a little experiment (that probably didn’t go as well as I’d hoped, but hopefully illustrated a point). I said that I hate black culture. I named several specifics. People thought I’d lost a screw and was revealing that I was racist all along. Were I moviefreakedmind, I could argue that, hey, I don’t hate black people; just the culture that so many cling to. But isn’t that really what most racists will cite? “I don’t hate black people. I just hate how so many of them are criminals and so many fathers abandon their children and most of them end up on drugs and…” I’ll be honest, crime is higher among blacks, more African-American fathers do abandon their children, more blacks end up in gangs or in drugs…but when I look at a black man, I cannot judge him on what many of his race may do. I cannot assume that he is like them. And even if he does have all those problems, I can’t assume that the entirety of black culture is bad. Look at all the good that is associated with African-Americans and that culture! Look at the good men and women who have worked to improve the well-being of a race of people who have been kept down for nothing more than higher melatonin levels! If I judge a person or a people or a culture based on some of his/her/their/its weaknesses without looking at the greater whole, then I am…
 

 

 

…intolerant.

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#1158451
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The New Thread Thread
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But those are his observations (obviously). Can’t we compliment his good qualities? Or are they so obvious that they could just go in that thread?

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#1158388
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The New Thread Thread
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dahmage said:

I’m gonna go ahead and say no to both of those, because i don’t think they are serious requests.

Also, we already have a “compliment another member” thread.

Sorry, you may only ask questions in this thread. You may not give decrees.

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#1158386
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Ask the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AKA Interrogate the Mormon
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moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

Is it a requirement?

I was commenting on the recent conversation.

Your comments don’t describe me. I’m not bigoted and I never have claimed to carry a banner of tolerance. I don’t understand why you could possibly think of me as being proudly tolerant but there’s plenty of things I don’t understand.

Definition of bigotry

While we’re at it, we could also look at the bolded sentence and research the term oxymoron.

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#1158379
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Ask the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AKA Interrogate the Mormon
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chyron8472 said:

I dislike how many liberally minded people whom I have seen, claim to proudly carry the banner of tolerance but have a hypocritically sanctimonious attitude. As though their self-righteousness is somehow superior to the opposing self-righteousness that they rail against. It’s bigoted on both sides, but I feel the banner of “tolerance” some carry to be disingenuous and it’s bothered me more and more lately. Speaking for myself, of course.

In fact, I’m feeling more and more like people just in general are often bigoted. People who disagree with each other, on moral, philosophical or even political views are often extremely bigoted and closed-minded, thinking themselves somehow superior because they hold their views to be correct. And it’s compounded by the echo chambers we allow ourselves to live in with the availablity of social media that allows more like-minded bigoted people to congregate and validate each other.

This is a very true statement, and one I have long pushed for greater awareness. Everyone is bigoted to some degree, but relatively few are willing to admit it to themselves. Just like racists don’t think they are racist, ideological bigots tend not to believe they too are bigoted. I believe the best way to fight bigotry is to acknowledge that you already harbor prejudiced opinions.

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#1158369
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The Star Wars Pun Game
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I never said it was quality. The kids read it in a book and figured this thread needed more love!

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#1158292
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The Star Wars Pun Game
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My kids told me this one recently: what’s the name of the robot who always takes the longest path to get to his destination?

R2-Detour

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#1158063
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Star Wars: The Lost Cut
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I know I’ve posted several posts in sequence, so I apologize, but I don’t want anyone to think I’ve already fizzled out on this project simply because I haven’t posted consistently. I’m just busy, but I’m usually making a little progress every day.

I’m nearly there with the Battle of Yavin from a visual standpoint. The audio will be the bigger nightmare, trying to isolate all the lines as much as possible, reintroduce them, and cover the imperfect isolation with the re-added score. I will post the visual Battle of Yavin when I am done.

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#1158062
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Star Wars: The Lost Cut
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Ronster said:

I am hoping That this can somehow get made but I am sort of the opinion it should be a bit shorter taking into account deleting any reshoots…

This is my opinion however and I personally think trying to add extraneous material apart from some small snippets here and there which is a given.

My Opinion is “it’s all there bar a few small things…” Keep it simple is my motto and it will happen. And with Logic applied the answers come naturally.

The best approach is a “Lost Cut” Black and white

Colorized “Workprint” All music and sound effects restored and in proper chronological order any Reshoots deleted. Shorter and Tighter Version.

The Colorized workprint is more my Gander.

I have done the Audio for the Landspeeder Search and attack of the Sand People already…

Star Wars Snobbery and Robbery?

Chronological order is among my primary objectives here. Correcting the Battle of Yavin has been a very challenging exercise so far; perhaps too much of a challenge to begin sharpening my editing skills with the roughest part of the movie to edit.

Part of the need for black and white/degraded is because of the poor quality of so much of the deleted material. It’s far easier to downgrade the whole movie rather than upgrade the deleted material. The Lost Cut idea justifies the low quality and makes for an interesting experience.

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#1158058
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Star Wars: The Lost Cut
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benduwan said:

do you have start with this?
is it possible to make 2 versions of this?
your b&w and a colorized?
thanks

Admittedly, I am starting with a rough cut that is already black and white. I would have to re-edit it, and some of TM2YC’s effects were only done in black and white. I have a copy of your extended cut, and think you could use that as a base to make a similar cut to mine. 😃

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#1158056
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Star Wars: The Lost Cut
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Ronster said:

Ok I did it! (What little hair I have left disappeared with Lightworks Suite and it’s audio bugs! anyway I had to render it in Movie Maker as it was the only program that I have that could read 2 audio files in the same manner as Video audio and a Wav exactly the same to switch between…)

https://vimeo.com/250641294

I will talk you through the process and decisions.

I did a rough color correction on it. The most notable are the first shot inside the Death Star Command with Tarkin in front of the viewscreen. Second is the Death Star Firing Cone. They Both had Hue alterations done on it as they were out on Hue and the Death Star Laser Core was made Yellow on the cone.

The Audio was re-done from the part from “Dantooine is too small to be an effective demonstration” That is I think is where it was cut?

The explosion was restored using the Bluescreen shot And Mike Verta’s Vimeo Clip as I needed to see what was going on to line up the Blue Screen shot properly. I slowed it down quite a bit so this does not rule out Leia’s Line at all. I will send you the clip stand alone if you would like which runs a bit faster. Slowed to 87% the explosion…

I Guessed that the Explosion Dissolved into the Falcon shot. Because the music seems to suggest that but this is my interpretation. And I don’t like to fight against John WIlliams he Rules so you must fit with him as the Video shows. I felt anymore Dialogue after the explosion would be anti climactic. You could just as easily hard cut it also.

The main Take away is the music rather than special effects.

Do you like it?

Something else I have noticed is that see Tarkin mouth the same lines twice from a different angle. I would imagine that after “Name the System” should be cropped to remove Tarkins Mouth.

EDIT

Ok realised I messed up the sound effects for the Death Star firing I will fix this and re-up so at least if someone wants to use the audio then they can… So I will do a version 2 and polish it off.
Sorry about that!

Also this whole repeated shot of Tarkin has me thinking it was a cover shot for showing the view screen changing to show Alderaan. i.e. Alderaan was not on there until after he says “Home planet of Alderaan” then the screen changes from a graphic to video (also in Radio Drama) the dialogue is then moved a bit later and only shows one take but also We need not see in video Alderaan until this point as Motti says “We have reached the Alderaaan system” If Tarkin could see Alderaan out the window why did he need someone to tell him they were there???

So that is very important. Doing that second shot in the clip I posted is beyond me I think but I could do the Alderaan Reveal and move the dialogue later that is easy enough.

So to properly get it right the half moon Alderaan on the second shot out the view screen needs to be replaced with something other than Alderaan and some sort of graphic. (This would not be the Lost cut but the lost bit of Overbridge control Room 😃 )

If someone wants to have a go at the second shot I will do the transition shot otherwise leave it as open…

Also not taking away from Darth Enders project at all.

I Think Andrea should join in also (Hint!)

I may not be able to cut it in the manner you suggest, but I do enjoy your desire to sync the visual with John Williams’ music. I don’t know that we always have the material to make it happen, though. My primary goal is to include as much deleted material as possible, so at times, he may have scored the scenes after portions were cut. In other words, I will probably have to alter his score to match the visual in many cases rather than the other way around. Not to discourage you, as I love your work, and there may be times where we can bring your vision to life or even find a way to make both work!

I enjoy your video, BTW. Well done!

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#1158051
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Star Wars: The Lost Cut
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Slavicuss said:

I doubt the “LOST CUT” will ever get an official release. A version produced by STAR WARS fans would be great.

It’ll never be 100% accurate but there is enough deleted/alternate material out there to construct a rough approximation.

That is exactly my hope with this edit. It’s a shame that more has not yet been provided, but at the same time, I’m pretty grateful for what we have and what we can do with it.

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#1158050
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The Place to Go for Emotional Support
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I have hardly had time to post much over the past several days. However, I have been reading about the struggles here in this thread. I consider you all friends to some degree, even if we have never met in real life. I apologize for not being able to offer more personalized words of support, but believe me when I say that I am touched by your troubles and hope that things will look brighter in your futures.

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#1156635
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Star Wars: The Lost Cut
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cosmicjazz said:

darth_ender said:

benduwan said:

use only star wars stuff,not ww2.

Sounds good. I agree.

fill missing scenes with pics and use unfinished scenes or fx.

I have so many pictures that I might have to limit my use of pictures to the most important occasions, but I think I agree with you, I should use pictures to fill in some holes. Thanks!

i´m very interested in this.

I’m glad. No disrespect to any other editor, but TM2YC’s Lost Workprint edit was probably my favorite fan edit if all time. I love the inclusion of all these deleted scenes! Hopefully I can do justice to the edit in those portions I’ve taken on.

Was that edit released? Never saw it.

It was never released, but I saw a rough draft. Though I’ll be using his draft as my base, I still don’t feel comfortable sharing that draft as it is without his permission.

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