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#1140072
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how is 2006 GOUT upscaling done?
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Williarob said:

Also check out this thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-GOUT-in-HD-using-super-resolution-algorithm/id/17552

which contains some scripts (very slow ones!) that do a nice job with Video Enhancer’s AviSynth plugin. They also sell a stand alone app that works pretty well (and you get the plugin free when you buy it). http://www.infognition.com/videoenhancer/

Personally, I use Red Giant Shooter Suite’s “Instant 4K” for most of my upscaling in After Effects. It’s real easy - just resize he composition to the size you want, drop the effect on and boom. Instant 720p/1080p/UHD. Just remember to set the quality to “Best” before rendering. https://www.redgiant.com/products/instant-4k/

Awesome CatBus. And thank you Williarob. Both Infogniton and Red Giant sound totally awesome and what I’m looking for. I edit with Sony Vegas. Seems all the good third-party stuff is geared towards Adobe…

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#1139811
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how is 2006 GOUT upscaling done?
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CatBus said:

Possessed said:

clashradio said:

JawsTDS said:

I did my scaling in VirtualDub paired with AviSynth, personally. But I’m sure there are other ways to do it.

I keep reading about Harmy’s version that used the 06 GOUT upscaled and was wondering what method? I’d like to upsale to the quality of Harmy and then re-sync the audio with one of my laserdiscs which has the 77 stereo track, then output to BD.

Silly question but why don’t you just use harmys? It should already be synced to whatever track you want to use. Hell it probably already has the track as an option.

Not only that, but Harmy’s versions are increasingly GOUT-free. ROTJ only has part of one scene from GOUT. If you want pure GOUT source, you probably want to look at Team Blu’s upscales – which you should be aware do not look as good as Harmy’s, given the source material.

Also, the 77 stereo Laserdisc track already on Harmy’s latest preservation is definitely better than what you’re trying to use. It’s from the only release of the 1977 stereo track in digital audio on Laserdisc (a Japanese pan & scan release, but the audio was great). It was then synced up to the GOUT and patched over wherever there were dropouts and warbles with the next-best analogue Laserdisc audio by some of our local audio luminaries with access to and experience with ridiculously expensive software. I don’t want to discourage the effort, if you’re just trying to learn how to do things and all, but it’s already been done, and really well.

Well the thing is; I know all this has been done before (X0 project, Harmy’s De-Specialized, Team Blu GOUT upscale). And I’m not trying to re-invent the wheel. I also don’t want you guys to think I’m being foolish but…My biggest hobby is video editing; can’t get enough of it. I have all of the best LD martial (even the Japan LD P&S w/77 stereo). I have a HLD-X0, CLD-99 & CLD-D703. Soon to have a Lumagen 2144. I’m still not sure what capture device to get yet (haven’t figured out if my Black Magic Intensity Shuttle usb 3.0 will do 1080p 23.976fps captures yet).

So two seperate yet related goals are to make a BD from a composite of the best LD’s (86 JSC/92 SWE/possibly 93/95 THX). And a BD upscale using the 2006 GOUT dvd synced to the P&S Japan LD.

Again I know it’s all been done and maybe I can’t match the quality. Editing and Star Wars…an hobbyist’s dream come true.

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#1138076
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how is 2006 GOUT upscaling done?
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JawsTDS said:

I did my scaling in VirtualDub paired with AviSynth, personally. But I’m sure there are other ways to do it.

I keep reading about Harmy’s version that used the 06 GOUT upscaled and was wondering what method? I’d like to upsale to the quality of Harmy and then re-sync the audio with one of my laserdiscs which has the 77 stereo track, then output to BD.

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#1137721
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how is 2006 GOUT upscaling done?
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Just wondering if upscaling is done by running the '06 dvd into some type of video processor like a Lumagen 2144? Or is done in a NLE?

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#705453
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color correcting using new Frames book/Sony Vegas
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I'm attempting to de-specialize ANH using mainly the BD as the video source. I know color correcting has been addressed here, but I was wondering if it would be a good idea to use the new book called "Frames" as a reference guide? (scan the pictures and use a color matching plug-in). The stills are from the Special Editions of the Original 3, but they don't seem to have the crushed Blacks etc. or maybe I'm just color blind?

Also, has anyone used Sony Vegas to CC? I was wondring if I could cheat and use your color settings?

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#670425
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The Terminator (1984) - Original Theatrical Mono Preservation
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     I only ask about 48K because I made a new discovery. For years I've video recorded live bands with miniDV camcorders, and a separate soundboard audio source using a digital field recorder. I had the field recorder set to 16B 44K. I would then import the video to my computer via Firewire, and with it being digital video (or maybe all video being imported) Vegas sets the quantization & sample freq at 16B 48K. Once I started the editing of the multi-camera show, (all of the camera angles and the soundboard audio synced up), I noticed the board audio drifted a bit from the camera audio. Then I recorded a show at 16B 48K, and the board audio didn't drift at all from the video audio.

      I'm currently working on a Despecialized ANH, using the BD for the video and the '92 laserdisc for the audio. I imported the LD at 16B 48K, and so far it's synced up pretty good to the BD. I can't help but wonder if it would not have had I selected 44k? When I check the Properties in Vegas, it shows the 6.1 DTS audio from the BD is at 48K. And that's why I'm wondering if you're working with audio for video, if it needs to be sampled at 48K.

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#667818
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color correction R2D2 twilight scene ANH
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I'm removing the Tractor Beam line because it wasn't in the '77 stereo mix. I know it was in the mono, and maybe the 70mm? Of the three audio mixes, only the stereo has been released so I decided to make my Despecialized version using that source. I do have multiple versions on laserdisc, and to me, the 1989 Widescreen ('85 mix) sounds the best, but they added the Tractor Beam line. If you listen with headphones at that part, you can really here the difference in 3PO's tone. I did toss and turn on using the '86 Japanese LD, which is the original stereo '77 mix, and digital audio...

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#667811
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Isolating Music and Voices in Star Wars
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I use a program called DVD Audio Extractor. It rips all six tracks as WAV files. Then you can listen to each track and see which one you want to use for background music etc.

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#666394
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color correction R2D2 twilight scene ANH
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Sweet! Are these from 1997?

 

I think I'm just going to use the '06 bonus dvd as the source. I tried color matching the BD w/the 06 and it turned out OK, but not great. By using the THX version I think I'm closer to being true to the source, with the help from you guys.

 

Jason

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#665949
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color correction R2D2 twilight scene ANH
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Thank you for the old link. I did do a search before I posted this question.

Ok, so it's obvious the (USA) pre '93 LD's have the canyon scene too bright. So you're saying I can color correct the BD to match the '06 dvd, because that will be closer in exposure than the '89 LD that I'm using for the soundtrack? Or just use the '06 dvd for that scene and be done with it.

Thank you, much appreciated!

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#665924
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color correction R2D2 twilight scene ANH
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Hello,

I’m working on a Despecialized version of ANH, using the BD as the main video source, the ’06 bonus dvd to fill in for the S.E. additions that I’m editing out, and the ’89/’92/’93 Technidisc laserdisc (‘85 mix) for the audio track; but will edit out 3PO’s Tractor Beam line using the Faces LD audio.

I’m having a hard time with the (twilight) R2D2 scene on Tatooine. So far I’ve been able to use the ‘06 dvd to edit out all of the S.E. stuff, but even this (‘93 THX) version has color changes to this scene. I’m using Vegas Pro 12 and tried tweaking the color on both the BD and the ‘06 dvd, but my goal is to make the edit faithful to the ‘77 stereo two-track version, no matter how bad the quality is on certain scenes, but obviously I want to have the best picture quality possible. So far I’m using the ’89 LD for this scene(s) but the picture quality is less than inspiring. I know people have color corrected the whole movie(s) due to the crushed blacks, but what have you guys done for this perticular problem/scene?

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#660657
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yet another Custom Edit EP.4
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Hello all;

 I feel like Professor Jones in The Last Crusade. I have all (most of) the information in my diary,  just don’t where to start. I am attempting to make my own De-Special Edition of Star Wars (Episode 4 to most). I know it’s been done by many folks here, and most of my info came from either here or savestarwars.com, so it may seem like old news and I’m regurgitating information, but please read on. This may help other newbies interested in a custom edit. I consider this a Preservation Effort vs. Fan Edit, as the original '77 stereo two-track version has never been officially released on dvd, but technically I guess this is considered a Custom Edit. I’m a video editor at heart, so this stuff is fun to me. But the idea originally started out with transferring either the ’93 DC or ’95 Faces laserdiscs to blu-ray. I know the end product wouldn’t be in HD, but there would be less compression outputting to BD-25 vs. dvd-5 or dvd-9.

 I did a half-assed De-S.E. of A New Hope years ago using the ’04 dvd as the master source, with Pinnacle Studio as my NLE video editing program. I say half-assed because I really only cut out Greedo shoots first, Jabba the Hutt, Ben’s krayt dragon scream, and the opening Lucasfilm logo. One neat thing I discovered then was when I cut out the Jabba scene, in the scene just before when Luke and Ben are heading towards the docking bay, I noticed Ben’s line, “if the ship’s as fast as he’s boasting” was a different (audio) take from the ‘04 dvd to the Faces LD. Also to add to the half assed-ness, I imported the movie from my set-top dvd player to my computer through the PCI video card using the s-video jack in real-time. Pinnacle wouldn’t accept the ripped .vob file I think…it’s been awhile.      

 Knowing the 93/95 LD’s were widescreen, and, what I thought to be the best source of the non-Special editions, I did some researching to see which set would make the better transfer, and did a comparison of the two. I thought the Faces looked a little better than the Definitive Collection (but I have the misfortune of owning the first edition of the DC set w/the missing few seconds of the Leia welding-scene in Empire, but the newer Japanese-made discs of Faces). But thanks to this forum, and the awesome editorials in Saving Star Wars, a whole new world has opened! I knew about some of the changes to Episode 4, but I didn’t know some went as far back as ’81, and how many! I knew there were three different audio mixes, but I didn’t know that the different mixes omitted/added certain dialog (i.e. close the blast doors, tractor beam etc).

 Then I read fans were using the ‘06 dvd’s to make their own Fan Edit, or just to view “the best source available to watch the original trilogy”. I haven’t viewed those dvd’s since ’06. I already had the ’04 set, but I was suckered by the advertising “includes digitally remastered and original theatrical movies!” (meaning non-Special Editions to me) so I bought this set also. I loved how the ‘04’s looked (at the time, later on that), so with the original theatrical release not remastered, I put them away and kind-of forgot about them. Then I learned the ‘06 releases were sourced from the same master video tape that was used for the 93/95 laserdiscs, and people were saying they looked better than the THX laserdiscs. So I dug them out, popped Episode 4 in and wow! Sure enough it did look better. Plus the original pre “A New Hope” title scrawl was there, which makes it really weird if these dvd’s were sourced from the same D2 tape used to make the THX versions.

 Ok, the ‘06 set is letter boxed for 4x3 tv’s, but at least they are not Pan and Scanned. So this made me think; should I scrap the laserdisc project and just re-size the image on the ‘06 dvd to fit back to the anamorphic 2.35:1 aspect ratio, maybe add some saturation then put it to BD?

 On to the audio; Even though I have the best sources of the original trilogy, the DC/Faces/’06/(THX) audio mixes were not original to ’77. Cutting out the new/altered visual stuff is easy, we have the pre ’97 LD/‘06 dvd for reference, but the audio has been altered. Folks say the mono mix has never been released. But I found there is a rare ‘89 Derann Films Services in the UK that put out a Super 8mm version of the complete widescreen film, in mono and stereo. But I’m not sure if the mono version is just a stereo fold-down? I have the Ken Films Selected Scenes version, only 18 minutes though. There also is a LP called The Story of Star Wars, but it’s of course not the complete mono soundtrack. The 70mm 6-track has never been released. I know there is a boot dvd of the mono mix, and the audio-only is floating around of the 70mm mix, but that is just an open-air recording of what would really be called a two-track mix-down since all of the channels were recorded simultaneously (one viewing Left side one viewing Right side). Now on to the two-track stereo mix. Since the THX mixes were released in ‘93, I figured I would just find a pre ‘93 LD to use as the master audio track. Then I found out Burtt remixed the audio in ’85, but that mix didn’t appear on LD until ‘89. Early laserdiscs were time-compressed to fit on a single disc. But then I discovered a stereo Pan and Scan LD released in ’85 which is not time compressed (cat.# 1130-84), although the jacket still says 118 minute run time. The problem with this edition is it’s on five sides vs. three, so that means the tracks are broken up more. It’s easy enough to combine during editing,  but I think since the tracks are broken up more frequently, there are a few missing seconds of audio just before the end/beginning of each side.

 Enter my decision to use the ’11 blu ray as the master source; I now have Sony Vegas as my video editing program, which allows for the .vob/.m2ts files from the ‘04 dvd and ‘11 blu ray to be dragged in the video timeline. But then I read about how the black levels were crushed for 04/11 master. I’ve seen this method done before on footage for The Doors called Doors Are Open. Clips of this old documentary were used in the newer  documentary called When You’re Strange. The footage is old, a little dark and pretty grainy so I figured they just adjusted the contrast to for the HD transfer. Maybe the darker overall image makes the footage looks better? or it helps to hide the grain? The laserdisc of this footage isn’t as dark. So until it I read these editorials, I didn’t really notice the poor color timing with the 04/11. And just having freshly transferring the ‘85 LD I noticed how bright the footage is.

 So this time around I want to make a much more comprehensive edit, as faithful as possible to the ’77 stereo two-track version, with all the materials being officially released. I’ve noted all of the known changes. Again thanks to you guys, and gals.

 Couple of questions;

 

1) Is it a nightmare to sync the LD audio to the GOUT? I plan on working/building from the audio. Meaning dropping the audio in the timeline, then editing the video to that.

 2)    Is Burtt's ’85 mix just a remix, with no new sound effects? So I could use the 89/92 LD instead?

 3)   does the '92 LD edition have a PCM track where the '89 doesn't?

 4)   I thought the ’97 S.E. added the “bump” sound when the Stormtrooper accidently wacked his head? My ’85 LD has it in there.

 Any advice, help, criticism would be much appreciated.

 Thank you, Jason

 

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