chyron8472

DominicCobb said:

George Lucas is by no means a bad editor, quite the opposite.

Which is why the SE’s are such wonderful edits? (Such how Jabba the Hutt is edited in to exposit information already given by Greedo?) Or how the official PT edits cut key scenes about the birth of the Rebellion, in which Padme took part and had to hide it from her husband?

…Can’t tell if serious.

NFBisms said:

Episode IX My Cousin Benny

What’s a “yoot”?

Collipso said:

chyron8472 said:

Collipso said:

SilverWook said:

joefavs said:

I’m of two minds on the Maul thing. I think bringing him back was a dumb idea and I’d never have done it if I was a showrunner, but once they’d done it they did go on to do some genuinely interesting things with him.

Wasn’t it Geroge’s idea?

Most of that show came from George’s ideas.

But that’s the key: they’re just his ideas. Not his writing or direction.

And?

And he’s a good ideas man, but he’s a bad editor, and not the best director. His ideas really only are done proper justice when he has a team of people to bounce things off of. That is, people who aren’t afraid to be critical and can point out when an idea or the implementation of it is bad.

Suffice it to say one reason (of the myriad) why the Prequels and SE changes are panned is because no one overruled George to say certain things shouldn’t be done, in contrast to the original Original Trilogy.

See also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk
How Star Wars was Saved in the Edit.

SilverWook said:

Mielr said:

SilverWook said:

Chewie will discover the ones that stowed away on the Falcon reproduce at an alarming rate

That’s 'cause he fed them after midnight.

SilverWook said:

Well he did return in the OT, sort of. 😛

I don’t get it.

Those braided things hanging off Boba Fett’s shoulder? They’re Wookiee scalps! I thought everybody knew that.

I don’t follow Boba Fett lore.

Collipso said:

SilverWook said:

joefavs said:

I’m of two minds on the Maul thing. I think bringing him back was a dumb idea and I’d never have done it if I was a showrunner, but once they’d done it they did go on to do some genuinely interesting things with him.

Wasn’t it Geroge’s idea?

Most of that show came from George’s ideas.

But that’s the key: they’re just his ideas. Not his writing or direction.

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Everything is awesome!

not.

Oh hey it’s second grade again!

Not!

Third!

This thread needs more positivity!

Hard disagree.

Flaccid indifference.

I group my TV-related media by:
Games/Videos
Console/Movie/TV
Format (BD/DVD)
Series/Standalone

Then sort them alphabetically.

 
I don’t generally touch them though once they’re organized, because I’m much more likely to make use of a digital backup copy rather than bother with physical media.

Zak fett said:

I didn’t like how much politics they used in the PT and it’s good that they haven’t done that in the ST

The problem is that George intended there to be a lot of politics in the prequels. He mentions in an interview, behind-the-scenes clip, or commentary or whatever, that politics would play a large part in the story, in contrast to the OT which was a coming-of-age classic adventure.

I don’t know the source clip, but I remember hearing that straight from George’s mouth. And it very well could have been before the prequels were made.

SilverWook said:

Zak fett said:

Mrebo said:

I liked the Leia scene and I read it as intended: Leia instinctually acted to save her life with the latent powers we know her to have. Maybe the moment was too contrived or the execution a little funny, but it worked for me.

It was a bit out of place, she probably would of died in the explosion and would of exploded in space but who cares it was a way they could keep her alive.

People don’t explode in a vacuum. That’s a movie cliché that has no basis in reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q26aM-ZJFO8

tl;dw: It is theorized that the human body can be subject to the vacuum of space for up to 3 minutes before the subject dies. The main sticking point with TLJ is that the skin and organs should swell a lot. Not 1990’s Total Recall levels of swelling, but still a highly significant amount (like 2x normal size). Also there is a high likelihood that the subject would simultaneously pee, poop and vomit due to digestive gases trying to escape.

Once the person returns to a pressurized environment, they are likely to achieve complete recovery depending on how long the experience lasted. This assumes, however, that the subject doesn’t purpose to hold a full breath of air in their lungs, whose pressure difference would likely quickly kill the subject.

SilverWook said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan said:

In ROTJ, I liked the Ewoks. Even remember playing with that Ewok village toy. But after the prequels came out, I learned that there were a sizable group of OT fans who hated the Ewoks. i.e. just there to sell toys, or were too cuddly or something. I can understand people not liking the Ewoks. I do hate the CGI with blinking eyes in the Blu-Rays though. Also wish the Ewoks battle scenes didn’t have that green screen look to them.

But at least the Ewoks weren’t nothing near like Jar Jar.

But I was wondering. Are there any here who hated the Ewoks, but love the Porgs?

I don’t really like the Porgs, and wished they weren’t in the movie. Or at least not the way they used the Porgs for comic relief.

Love is a strong word, but I’m fine with the Porgs. Unless I missed something, they weren’t in half of the movie’s running time, and they didn’t defeat an entire legion of the Emperor’s finest troops with sticks and rocks.

Chewie will discover the ones that stowed away on the Falcon reproduce at an alarming rate, as Rey discovers in the Jedi Knight School texts Porgs naturally absorb all Dark Side energies. Our heroes concoct a daring plan to drop them into every FO installation. The bad guys die screaming as they’re buried in squawking Porgs.

Pop a porg in your mouth when you come to Fishy Joe’s.
What they’re made of is a mystery. Where they come from, no one knows.
You can pick 'em, you can lick 'em, you can chew 'em, you can stick 'em.
If you promise not to sue us, you can shove one up your nose.

TV’s Frink said:

Zak fett said:

Mrebo said:

Zak fett said:

Mrebo said:

I liked the Leia scene and I read it as intended: Leia instinctually acted to save her life with the latent powers we know her to have. Maybe the moment was too contrived or the execution a little funny, but it worked for me.

Wouldn’t Plo koon be able to do that when he got shot down or would the explosion of killed him?

Every situation is different. Leia avoided pretty much all harm except exposure to space.

I just rewatched that part and it looked like he died a pretty horrible death (burning, exploding and smashing into the building)

Pfft, what a bad Jedi.

Yes. But especially Kolar, Tiin, and Kit Fisto in Palpatine’s office.

“Let’s all bunch up in the doorway so we can’t maneuver well. Use nice long pauses before attempting to block, and pay no attention to whether he telegraphs his mevements.”

Like I said, the PT Jedi were idiots and that’s why they were killed.

Interestingly, people have been talking at length about what Mark Hamill thinks of TLJ, but no one mentions George Lucas. When TFA came out, people were all about discussing what George’s opinion of TFA was, but with this film it seems he’s almost no longer relevant.

I’m glad, mind you, because of how badly George has been responding to desire for the OUT and dissent of the PT. He should be non-relevant. But I’m just somewhat surprised that his opinion is not even a topic for discussion.

TV’s Frink said:

most are watched in 30 minute increments over a week at 5am.

Why hello there, Michael Scott.

dahmage said:

chyron8472 said:

Mocata said:

yhwx said:

What the heck is a binary load lifter?

It’s very similar to a moister vaporator.

No. A binary loadlifter is a droid, used to lift heavy loads, that makes use of a binary programming language similar to that used in moister vaporators.

No, it was a pretty good joke, and you tried to use facts on it.

OH. Okay, the reference didn’t click with me for some reason.

Zak fett said:

dahmage said:

Zak fett said:

Collipso said:

Ok, I’ll start with the original. Thanks guys.

The only reason I even considered R1 is because I think that R1 nowadays is an easier movie to watch than the original, especially in this case with a girl as protagonist (since I’d be showing it to my girlfriend; and more girls in general in the movie). However, I have noted in previous viewings that it doesn’t have “introductory qualities” like the original has, so it doesn’t function as well as the introduction to the SW saga to someone new. Plus it’s so different from all the others that the first time viewer might find some recurring things in the rest of the saga odd.

Again, thanks guys.

Would YOU watch R1 before ANH ?

I would in a R1 and ANH only double feature. But if doing a trilogy viewing, (or especially if introducing someone to the films), i would use release order.

one of the problems of of going PT R1 OT is that in ROtS you find out luke and Leia are twins which kind of partly ruins OT.

Unless you have PT edits that cut OT spoilers, which I do. But I would still recommend initially watching the films in release order anyway.

lovelikewinter said:

If Lucasfilm would just release the OOT, I wouldn’t give a crap about whatever changes they make to the SEs.

Harmy released the OOT, so I don’t. I may complain about the SE’s from time to time, but they have no effect on my loyalty as as fan of the OT anymore.

GlastoEls said:

chyron8472 said:

But since L8wrtr, Q2 and Hal9k have redeemed the Prequels for me

Which edits, might I ask?

My introduction to fan edits was Adywan’s ANH:R. After that, I went looking for Prequel edits and was satisfactorily redeemed with L8wrtr’s Shadow of the Sith and The Republic Divided edits. But there were changes made to his Dawn of the Empire edit that I really did not agree with.

Now, granted I don’t hate the theatrical Revenge of the Sith, but I kept looking and found Q2’s Fall of the Jedi Trilogy. His Episode III, among other things, leaves Anakin burning to death on the lava field and has Padme live long enough to move to Alderaan with Leia. The latter really clinched it for me, so that became my favorite Episode III, and not long after, I grew to like Q2’s Episodes I and II better than L8wrtr’s.

And at some point, either from the OT.com forums or from FE.org, I discovered Hal9000’s “9000 Series” trilogy of Cloak of Deception, The Approaching Storm, and Labyrinth of Evil. His Episode III (LoE) also features Padme not dying, as did Q2’s, so I keep both Hal’s and Q2’s trilogies—with Hal’s being a sort of Extended Cut comparatively (akin having both the LOTR extended cuts and theatrical editions). But I still prefer Q2’s.

Mocata said:

yhwx said:

What the heck is a binary load lifter?

It’s very similar to a moister vaporator.

No. A binary loadlifter is a droid, used to lift heavy loads, that makes use of a binary programming language similar to that used in moister vaporators.

There have long been movies by Disney that weren’t labelled as Disney, but were distributed under the label of Touchstone Pictures. Disney can, and does, successfully have a hand in things without them being directly associated with Mickey Mouse. It’s just that LFL’s acquisition by Disney was a high-profile sale, and so people attach the two as though everything Disney touches is colorized with the same Disneyfying brush, so to speak.

Creox said:

A lot. I can’t really out a number on it.

I’m a fan. Full stop.

This. And what seriously clinches it is this: fan edits.

I hated the SE’s (especially ROTJ:SE, and OG ROTJ was, and is, my favorite Star Wars film). I also greatly disliked the Prequels.

But since L8wrtr, Q2 and Hal9k have redeemed the Prequels for me; and Adywan and Harmy have recaptured the OT—Star Wars has been cemented as my favorite film franchise, hands down, bar none, full stop. There otherwise maybe could have been other film franchises to supplant it, like Star Trek or Harry Potter, but nope. Can’t be done. I will watch them all, and if any of them suck, I will just wait for an edit.

I’m really just spitballing here, but I think maybe the problem people have with Luke’s actions in TLJ is that there has been this Superman-like mistique set up around him by our culture. People assumed (or inferred), because Return of the Jedi ended on a high note for him, that he essentially could or would become the ST’s Qui-Gon Jinn or Ben Kenobi.

It is because TLJ turned around and said “Nope. Actually, he’s had a severe crisis of faith. Whatever you wanted him to do, he’s having none of it.” And so it’s as if Superman is suddenly not for truth and justice (and the “American way”). He’s not what we expected. He’s Bizzaro-Luke.

Humanizing him in this way cuts people deep, I think, because of how we as a culture built him up as a sort of superhero in the 80’s. Whether or not someone read the EU novels.

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

TV’s Frink said:

Of course, one could reasonably believe that Trump is threatening them every time he says anything about them.

Did you just put reasonably and Trump in the same sentence?

I’m reasonably sure Trump is both mentally ill and evil.

Quoted for truth.

Ryan said:

lovelikewinter said:

Ryan said:

One thing I didn’t like was you have Return of the Jedi. And then a couple of movies later you have The Last Jedi with apparently Luke being the last Jedi. It kind of makes the “Return” rather pointless.

Return of the Jedi= Vader turning back to the light.

It can be both. But Luke does become a Jedi inbetween Empire and Jedi.

No he doesn’t.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB6Un9TR7o&t=46s

“Not yet. One thing remains…”

doubleofive said:

TV’s Frink said:

The coins are dumb too. I’ll have to watch the scene again but I’d like to remove that bit if possible, which would also allow the removal of the dumb CGI alien that feeds the coins into him in the first place. I liked most of the humor in TLJ but that bit didn’t work for me.

you wouldn’t have the sound of coins jangling inside of him later, which I found really funny.

Same. And I don’t really see what was wrong with Prequel R2 other than that his OT-self didn’t have/use rocket thrusters. It was Prequel 3PO that was the turd sandwich.

Collipso said:

Dom, do you not think you’re going out of your way to defend a stupid sequence?

No. I agree with Dom’s disagreement about it as well. All of what he said.

To me, BB-8 in this movie was some droid factory material from AotC, especially […] the weaponized coins.

You mean like how R2 spits out mud from his dome in ESB; or how R2 accidentally pokes 3PO in the foot with his plasma torch in ESB; or how R2 chases and arc-electrocutes an Ewok in ROTJ?