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#1128261
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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TV’s Frink said:

http://wilwheaton.net/2017/11/point-of-clarification/

“I am so sick and angry that this keeps happening. America is the only first world country where we do nothing while our fellow humans are slaughtered by entirely preventable gun violence every day.

“People like Paul Ryan can write and pass laws that can address this epidemic of gun violence, which should be considered a public health crisis, but instead, Paul Ryan and people like him offer “thoughts and prayers” as a shield for their inaction.

“I heard privately from some close friends who are people of sincere Faith, and they were concerned that my anger at Paul Ryan would be misread as an attack on people of Faith. I want and need to apologize to anyone who felt like I was attacking them, or their faith (unless that person is Paul Ryan). I respect your Faith, even if I do not share it. I respect that prayer brings comfort and strength and guidance for a lot of people, and if you are one of those people, praying for God to bring comfort and strength to the families and friends of the victims and survivors is a deeply meaningful act.

“I am not attacking you or your Faith, and I see that in my anger, I didn’t write my thoughts as clearly as I could have. For that I sincerely apologize to anyone who I offended or hurt. I can’t take it back, but I can tell you that it was never my intention, nor is it my belief.

“I am angry at people like Paul Ryan who are quick to offer their thoughts and prayers after mass murder, but who refuse to do anything to even attempt to slow or stop the epidemic of gun violence that plagues America. He and people like him are hoping that you will give him a pass and let him exploit your Faith so he can continue to shrug his shoulders, take money from the NRA, and do absolutely nothing else.

“So just to be crystal clear: I apologize to those of you who are sincere people of Faith, who felt attacked by me. That was not my intention.”

To the professional atheists out there who are endlessly cruel, condescending, and dismissive toward people of Faith: I am not your ally and I’m not on your team. Don’t claim me as one of your own, because the right wing noise machine misinterpreted what I said (and I will do better in the future, to prevent my words from being misunderstood and misconstrued so easily).

To anyone who believes that my anger at Paul Ryan’s empty words is in any way directed toward the victims of gun violence: Attacking the victims, the survivors, or the victim’s families of any mass shooting, the way Alex Jones does with his false flag lies, is despicable and inexcusable. I want to be very clear: I was not and I am not attacking anyone who was in that church, I am not mocking their Faith. I don’t believe that a reasonable person would believe that I was, but because that lie has taken hold as a narrative, it’s important to me that I restate this, once again: Paul Ryan hides behind empty words about thoughts and prayers, exploiting the real and sincere beliefs held by people of Faith. He and people like him offer words without deeds over and over again, and I’m sick and tired of it. That is what I am attacking, and that is what I am angry about.

Fox News and its allies are working really hard to deflect attention and anger away from the role that unfettered access to weapons of mass murder played in the latest incidence of mass murder in America. Fox News and its allies want you to be angry at something they mislead you into believing I said, so you will take the anger and sorrow and desire for action you feel after a mass shooting, and aim it at me, instead of holding the people in power who could prevent this to account. Fox News, Paul Ryan, and their allies are counting on their ability to fool you into believing their lies, so they can continue to do nothing until the next mass shooting, when they’ll offer thoughts and prayers but no action.

Once again, to people of Faith who find comfort and strength in prayer: I am not mocking or belittling or attacking you or your relationship with God, and if you felt that I was, I hope you will accept this apology.

I will not apologize for being angry at Paul Ryan and people like him who have words but no deeds, and I hope that people of Faith will hold him to account.

That’s better. Much better.

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#1128229
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Okay, I actually read the article posted that points out Wil was actually criticizing prayer. (I did not previously read it because I have no interest in Wil Wheaton’s personal views.)

But regardless of Wil’s ignorant blathering, it still is not a good idea.

I continue to fail to understand why praying for the victims or asking people to pray for the victims is not a good idea. The thing that isn’t a good idea, is the decision to do nothing else.

It’s because your relationship with God is your relationship. You can fellowship with others in that relationship, and you can come to Him, but it is inappropriate to put yourself in a position where you even accidentally construe yourself as disingenuous.

Wil’s reaction is ignorant, but it wouldn’t have happened if such a declaration wasn’t public. Having a relationship with God is a very personal thing. A call to prayer should be equally personal. Just throwing that request out into the wind for everyone to hear is not.

Suffice it to say, it is still possible to do the wrong thing for the right reason.

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#1128223
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

I don’t know that he was saying never pray publicly, just don’t do it if you are only doing to be seen doing it.

Even so, that is what they were doing; or if it was not, it is unclear that it was not. Which makes it a bad idea either way and means it still is relevant.

It is unclear to YOU. It is not unclear to person doing the public praying or to God. If I pray publicly and my motivation is unclear to You, I am still going to pray. I know my real motivation and so does God.

Let me be clear about “publicly.” There is a difference between you praying and being in a place where people see you do it, and doing it with the intent or in the knowledge of people watching or else calling other people to do it in a non-worship setting.

Calling fellow believers to pray in a setting among them is different from calling anyone and everyone via social media or television broadcast.

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#1128157
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

I agree. Target your criticism towards their insincerity

But I think that’s what they are criticizing. I don’t think they are criticizing prayer. One might criticize prayer if one didn’t believe in it, but that’s a different issue than what this is.

The Bible itself says don’t be public about it. Them calling for prayer is being public about it. Why can’t you make the connection?

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#1128155
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

They do not care about fixing the problems with gun violence. They just want to use tragedy to look sympathetic and sway minds to thinking them worthy of staying in office.

A valid thing to criticize them for.

Yes, and their calling for prayer is part of that. It’s not prayer itself that’s the issue. It’s who is calling for it and that it’s called for publicly for all to witness.

So the same with moments of silence.

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#1128153
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

TM2YC said:

There is nothing wrong with our leaders playing the violin… as long they are also providing adequate fire-fighting services and fire-safety legislation.

True, but if they don’t provide adequate fire-fighting services and fire-safety legislation, criticize them for that, not playing the violin.

But if the city is burning and all they’re doing is playing…

Criticize them for not doing anything about the fact that the city is burning. What else they are doing or is irrelevant to that point.

It is not irrelevant. Faith is never irrelevant. But they aren’t using it for God’s glory, they’re using it for their own. And that is extremely relevant.

They. do. not. care. They don’t do anything more than what is required to make them look good, and calling for prayer makes them look good.

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#1128149
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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They do not care about fixing the problems with gun violence. They just want to use tragedy to look sympathetic and sway minds to thinking them worthy of staying in office.

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#1128146
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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I criticize them for using God to gain votes!!

Dang it, Warbler.

"When you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites who love to pray publicly on street corners and in the synagogues where everyone can see them. I tell you the truth, that is all the reward they will ever get. But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.

“When you pray, don’t babble on and on as the Gentiles do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him!

[…]

“And when you fast, don’t make it obvious, as the hypocrites do, for they try to look miserable and disheveled so people will admire them for their fasting. I tell you the truth, that is the only reward they will ever get. But when you fast, comb your hair and wash your face. Then no one will notice that you are fasting, except your Father, who knows what you do in private. And your Father, who sees everything, will reward you."

—Matthew 6:5-8,16-18

I criticize them for using prayer to glorify themselves.

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#1128140
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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“When you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites who love to pray publicly on street corners and in the synagogues where everyone can see them. I tell you the truth, that is all the reward they will ever get. But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.”

–Matthew 6:5-6

If they pray, they should do so privately. They should not stand on the street corners and use prayer to tout themselves.

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#1128133
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

But again, I criticize the insincerity; the disingenuousness. That they likely use a call to prayer to gain popularity with people of faith than actually being genuine in their own faith.

Then criticize them for being disingenuous, not the prayer itself.

My dad always said he doesn’t like people putting a cross or an ichthus on their business cards or marketing materials, because it is not clear that they aren’t just using it disingenuously to drum up sales.

But what the ones that aren’t doing it to drum up sales?

We don’t know which is which. That is the problem. Let us do the praying, while they do the legislating. They shouldn’t call us to pray, because it is not clear they mean it.

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#1128131
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

TM2YC said:

There is nothing wrong with our leaders playing the violin… as long they are also providing adequate fire-fighting services and fire-safety legislation.

True, but if they don’t provide adequate fire-fighting services and fire-safety legislation, criticize them for that, not playing the violin.

Why not both? If they don’t actually play the violin but are instead pretending to make the crowd like them better?

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#1128128
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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But again, I criticize the insincerity; the disingenuousness. That they likely use a call to prayer to gain popularity with people of faith than actually being genuine in their own faith.

My dad always said he doesn’t like people putting a cross or an ichthus on their business cards or marketing materials, because it is not clear that they aren’t just using it disingenuously to drum up sales.

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#1128115
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What are you reading?
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But again, language changes over time; and one language doesn’t necessarily have the same vocabulary of meaning for specific words that others do. This is why there are various translations—some of which place more emphasis on specific individual word-for-word translation, while others include the context of the whole sentence, paragraph, or section to glean the original meaning (ie. thought-for-thought)—with a continuum between the two.

Some translations are easier to use for a study focused on specific words or phrases, while others are easier to sit and read.

Instead of my just googling it, I ought to actually ask someone I know IRL about the validity of the claims I’ve heard that KJV isn’t as accurate as newer translations. But even still, while various verses I have memorized have been done so in the NKJV (see Warbler’s mention of “cadence”), in general I find (N)KJV more of a slog to read. If I’m in a bible study and someone is audibly reading from King James, I find myself focusing more on mentally interpreting the vocabulary than pondering the passage itself.

With a version like King James, you have to read the passage and then stop now and then to say “in other words, it means [this]”. As opposed to the Bible straight up speaking for itself as to what it means and not having to retranslate archaic words.

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#1127837
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What are you reading?
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darth_ender said:

I’ve wanted to read the NIV, but I’ve never taken the time to get more than a few chapters through Genesis.

If you ever attend BSF (Bible Study Fellowship), they primarily use NIV in their study materials. They say you technically can use whatever translation you want, but there are study questions that directly ask your response to a particular given wording.

That’s why I got a new NIV thinline Bible for my wife a few years ago, when she generally prefers NLT. NLT is easier to just straight up read like a book, but she was attending BSF at the time.

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#1127824
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What are you reading?
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Tobar said:

chyron8472 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Kings James Version? Pfft. New Revised Standard Version or bust.

eh. New International Version or New Living Translation.
2011 NIV is fine. I’m not picky about it being the '84 NIV like some people might be.

New King James Version might be “poetic”, but I imagine that wasn’t the intent of the original authors of the scrolls/books (outside of Psalms and Song of Solomon, obviously). KJV has also been said to be the least accurate translation, but is widely popular because a) there is no copyright; and b) it was the first ever english translation widely available to the public at large.

I don’t know where you get that idea about the KJV. The scholars involved in that translation were very meticulous about being accurate with their translation. So much so that they italicized any word they had to add for clarity in the English language. So that the reader is always clear about what is actually in the text.

The NIV on the other hand is very liberal about changing the scriptures to suit the translators’ doctrine.

The KJV has its own issues but they’re nowhere near as profound as the NIV.

Suffice it to say we have better tools, methods and knowledge regarding translations of ancient Greek than they did back then. And they did not translate the original KJV Bible from scratch, but rather from another translation of the Bible.

https://www.crosswalk.com/culture/books/non-fiction/how-accurate-is-the-kjv-400-years-later.html

Zondervan has said that a reason why many people take issue with the changes from the 1984 NIV to the 2011 NIV is because of the gap between editions. Prior to 1984, Zondervan apparently had released updates to the translation more closely together.

The reasoning why it’s problematic to just have one English translation, that forever unchangingly stands as the definitive version, is because language doesn’t work that way. The original writers were not, for the most part, writing verse. They were writing letters and such to each other in common regional languages of the time. Language changes over time, which is why it is even difficult for us to understand Shakespeare without having to ponder the orginal meaning.

And if by “doctrine” you’re referring to the '11 NIV including “brothers and sisters” in places, my understanding is that the wording used in the original source text was considered more gender-neutral back then than to deliberately address only just men.

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#1127766
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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red5-626 said:

yoda-sama said:

red5-626 said:

OK i got the Star Wars, DE v2.7 (Towne32 edit) AVCHD.
but i am haveing trubl with ImgBurn.
https://image.ibb.co/jikWnb/ffwe.png

unlike ROTJ. where i got a ISO File (.iso)
i got a BDMV folder with more folders inside.
i tryed this https://www.dvd-guides.com/guides/blu-ray-copy/260-burn-blu-ray-avchd-using-imgburn
but the calculator gets stuck at 99%?

The calculator just tells you what percentage of the disc the data would use… You don’t really want to hit a full 100%.

thank you

hopefully I won’t need to ask anything when I do ESB.

So how’d it go?

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