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#1161884
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How many 'Bad' Star Wars movies could you take before you check out?
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dahmage said:

ExNihilo said:

dahmage said:

ExNihilo said:

dahmage said:

Can we please stop saying Disney and say LucasFilm? I mean, does anyone really think Disney is pulling the strings?

It is a fair way to say that it is LucasFilm under Disney rather than under George.

I suppose. but it feels more like it is an easy way to cry about some perceived mega corp unhuman thing is directing everything that happens. And i think that is dishonest.

What do you suggest?
Lucasfilm under the helm of Disney= LD
Lucasfilm under the helm of George= LG
?

I guess i don’t see the difference between Lucasfilm LD or LG

LD is headed by Kathy Kennedy and she has some crazy feminist agenda that ruins Star Wars as as a fantasy for the white working class male.

/sarcasm

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#1161861
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Trump shouldn’t be called the “most pathetic”, because he’s so narcissistic that being the “most” at something is still worth patting himself on the back for.

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#1161850
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How many 'Bad' Star Wars movies could you take before you check out?
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CatBus said:

chyron8472 said:

CatBus said:

But IMO there is a difference between cashing in on an available property (Star Wars merchandising and tie-ins pre-1997), and cashing in on the fading collective memory of a property that nobody can actually have anymore (Star Wars merchandising and tie-ins 1997 and onward).

I don’t see what the difference is between cashing in on OOT merch and cashing on on SE/PT/ST merch. It’s all merch.

Pre-1997, you could buy the merch AND see the thing you loved that motivated the purchase. Post-1997, you can just buy the merch based on a memory of loving something a few decades back. To me, that’s a notable distinction.

But as I said, that distinction only applies when people can’t acquire the originally loved thing. But I can. People can. It’s been mentioned in more than a few articles. Whether they want to bother or not is up to them.

Meanwhile, if I mention loving the original Original Trilogy, I get called a “purist” by my friends and acquaintances, so there we are. If people don’t care, they won’t bother, and that’s on them.

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#1161845
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Frink, I agree with Warbler when he says your hyperbole often comes across as annoying and/or insulting. Just because you don’t give a crap about whether or not that’s true doesn’t mean it isn’t.

Well gee I never saw this coming!

If you didn’t see it coming, maybe you should have. If you did see it coming, maybe you should have done something about it. You don’t exactly go out of your way to be polite to people.

And Warb swearing at you that once does not exhibit a pattern of behavior. You did not get a temp ban for just one incident. You were temp-banned because “attacking another member because something offended you personally […] became a pattern that has affected how other members discuss certain topics.”

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1146839

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#1161835
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How many 'Bad' Star Wars movies could you take before you check out?
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CatBus said:

But IMO there is a difference between cashing in on an available property (Star Wars merchandising and tie-ins pre-1997), and cashing in on the fading collective memory of a property that nobody can actually have anymore (Star Wars merchandising and tie-ins 1997 and onward).

I don’t see what the difference is between cashing in on OOT merch and cashing on on SE/PT/ST merch. It’s all merch. And I don’t see why Disney, as a company, is to blame for ruining Star Wars simply by making money on it.

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#1161803
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Well that seems unnecessary, but I’ll give a try and let you know how it goes.

What seems unnecessarry is postings all the Sanchez pics(whom hasn’t been on the team for years) which was obviously done because you are annoyed with me and when I ask for an explanation, instead of explaining yourself you post another Sanchez pic.

I thought there was some rule about not posting image-only posts unless the image has a direct bearing on the topic at hand and it adds value to the discussion.

Frink, I agree with Warbler when he says your hyperbole often comes across as annoying and/or insulting. Just because you don’t give a crap about whether or not that’s true doesn’t mean it isn’t.

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#1161797
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How many 'Bad' Star Wars movies could you take before you check out?
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hairy_hen said:

The movies that got us all hooked on the galaxy far, far away have essentially died as far as official policy is concerned - that is my point. Disney has the power to resurrect them, but they are either unwilling to do so, or just can’t be bothered. Star Wars should have been allowed to die in peace, to just exist for what it was without having to be continually revisited. And yet the commercial exploitation continues and shows no sign of ever stopping.
George Lucas, for all his infuriating stubbornness, at least had personal and artistic reasons for doing what he did, misguided though it was. Disney, on the other hand, doesn’t care about anything except money.

Are you actually saying that George didn’t commercially exploit Star Wars out the wazoo before Disney got a hold of it? Because I seriously beg to differ. Star Wars was merchandised like mad since the very beginning.

Of course Disney cares about making money, but you say so with the assumption that George did not. Plus, you actually sound apologist for George refusing to release the OOT. That is George’s fault, not Disney’s. It may very well be true that the powers-that-be at Disney are not releasing the OOT because George asked them not to, if what’s-his-buckets who commented about it on twitter recently was to be believed.

Artistic reasons or not, George is not of lesser blame than Disney, and he certainly did not care less about making money than they do.

Finally, you accuse Disney of wrecking Star Wars by changing characters into people for which you don’t like their portrayal. As though Disney, as an entity unto itself, was making those artistic decisions as opposed to the particular writers and directors involved. I would certainly say that to blame Disney for story and character elements you don’t like is definitely misplaced. Blame Lawrence Kasdan, J. J. Abrams, Michael Arndt, and Rian Johnson because you don’t agree with their artistic interpretations of possible events. Just because someone is working on a Star Wars project at Disney, it doesn’t mean Disney as an entity is making those artistic choices.

It’s also not like Disney cares so much about money and so little about art that Disney itself is purposefully crapping on Star Wars for the sake of the almighty dollar. And even if they were, George had already been doing that for decades.

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#1161549
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Random Thoughts
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dahmage said:

ChainsawAsh said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ve never once heard of anyone reading pdfs for non academic reasons.

I’m a QA lab tech. I read PDFs all the time.

Now we care if you try to read PDFs on eBook readers.

I’m just saying this as someone who has a small library of ebooks, and who has had to convert a number of ebooks or fanfictions from PDF. It’s annoying and the formatting frequently gets all out of whack.

But my office has plenty of fillable forms and such that we submit electronically, and the majority of them are PDF. I’m the one who is responsible for updating them when a new version is available or correcting them when they need to be adjusted.

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#1161514
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Random Thoughts
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moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ve never once heard of anyone reading pdfs for non academic reasons.

Do you know anyone who works?

Not with pdfs

I do. My office works with PDFs all the time. In fact, I’ve become quite adept at mucking about with them.

But anyone who uses PDFs for reading text-only eBooks, whether reading them directly or converting to ePub/MOBI/AZW3 from them, is making a horrible mistake. The primary purpose of PDF is to ensure that the layout on the screen is precisely what will appear when printed on paper.

Using PDF for text that should be reflowable (ie. adjusts when the margins or font size is changed) is several kinds of awful. Kovid Goyal, the lead developer of the Calibre eBook Management software, has complained at length about how the problems Calibre has with converting from PDF are directly related to the super clunky way text in PDFs is coded.

https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html#convert-pdf-documents

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#1161331
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Video Game Thread
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I just completed Shantae: Half-Genie Hero on Normal Mode with 100% item get. Now I’m playing the “Pirate Queen’s Quest” DLC as the antagonist, Risky Boots.

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#1161322
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

Ocrop27 said:

I see many people saying that TLJ deconstructs the myth of Star Wars. I think this is a valid interpretation, but not entirely true. In my view this movie tests the myth, yes, it creates terrible (and incredible) obstacles for the heroes, making them question what was once unquestionable. “dead heroes”, as Leia told Poe, reminding us that in fact not everything serves a divine purpose as we usually believe for these films.

But after the dark journey that was the TLJ, we have a much more powerful myth, in my opinion. One that goes beyond the old norm, because it does not abandon what has already been, it just puts to the test and adds the new concepts. Luke in Crait was real, he inspired the Galaxy, saved the resistance and faced his biggest mistake, Ben. He was a great hero, but still only a man capable of making mistakes.

All the characters in this movie have their truths tested and evolve from that. Just as the film itself tests the truths of the saga (as TESB and TPM did before). I agree that this film has a postmodern side, consequent of the time in which we live, but I do not think that it left the myth, only magnified.

You can’t have your cake and eat it. TLJ deconstructs the legend of Luke Skywalker, and turns him into the deeply flawed man Luke Skywalker. Luke then creates a new in-universe legend or myth of himself within the story. This is not the same as creating a myth for the benefit of the viewer. TLJ is a film about myth and legend, not a myth onto itself. If the OT is the story of how on the North Pole, there’s a mythical person called Santa Clause, who makes toys and then delivers them to children all around the world on Christmas Day, then TLJ is a story about a disillusioned fat old drunk, who tells a young girl, who’s come looking for the legend of Santa Clause, that he hates Christmas, and that Santa Clause doesn’t exist. After refusing to put on his red suit for the entire story, the old drunk redeems himself by donning the red suit one more time, and giving his greatest performance in the holiday parade, convincing children in the story one last time that Santa is real, before shuffling off the mortal coil. To summarize, a story about Santa Clause is not the same as a story about a guy playing Santa Clause.

I’d say that the legend of Santa is still intact.

Once you take off the beard and the suit, it becomes very hard to sell the reality of Santa Clause.

Santa just stopped believing in himself and even the concept of Christmas because he couldn’t decide if Ben was naughty or nice.

Eventually he forgives himself, learns from his mistakes, not only saves the day, but reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas for a new generation.

No, Santa reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas to the children in the story. However, us critics have already seen Santa without his beard and suit, so we won’t be fooled again.

The legend is perfectly intact. Your delusion of perfection is gone. That is the lesson Luke had to learn too.

This.

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#1161301
Topic
How many 'Bad' Star Wars movies could you take before you check out?
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TV’s Frink said:

I don’t care about the metaphor. He said he won’t watch any new Star Wars until we get the OOT.

But we did get the OOT. Just not in a purchasable form from official sources.

I don’t see how the argument of not having the OOT yet makes sense at this point, given that the “guerilla restorationist” himself even actively posts on these forums.

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#1161298
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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SilverWook said:

darth_ender said:

yhwx said:

Even if you discount all the stuff about abortion, Mike Pence is a massive dick. And a weirdo. For God’s sake, he calls his wife “Mother.”

Heaven forbid! Probably watches MLP too!

Not saying he’s a stellar individual, but come on!

As we have MLP fans around here, that could be misinterpreted as a cheap shot at a forum member.

TV’s Frink said:

I’m pretty sure that was a post in support of chyron rather than a shot at him.

That is how I took it. _ender’s use of sarcasm did not escape me.

In any case, you guys don’t have to walk on eggshells around here for my sake. Even if cheap shots are made, I’d be likely to just meme at you or something. It’s continual shots or dogpiles that rile me up.

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#1160161
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How many 'Bad' Star Wars movies could you take before you check out?
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TV’s Frink said:

If you think Rian Johnson or Disney or Star Wars hates you or ruined your life or ruined everything that came before it (especially the OT), then you’re being ridiculous.

True.

Unless one is simply being hyperbolic, which I had assumed was the case for ExNihilo but admittedly is often not so for a great many trolls who visit here.

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#1160146
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How many 'Bad' Star Wars movies could you take before you check out?
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TV’s Frink said:

ExNihilo said:

How many times can you tell me you hate me before I believe it?
Am I in an abusive relationship with Star Wars?

  1. Star Wars doesn’t hate you, that’s your subjective perception.

Yes. And perception of reality is not unimportant. One’s perception informs their feelings and decisions, which can affect actual objective events. They are not obligated to alter their perception just because you would have them do so.

  1. Please don’t use the phrase “abusive relationship” to describe something as trivial as a movie.

I’m certain that was tongue in cheek. And it’s not just a movie, it’s an experience. To relegate the experience, the entity that is Star Wars as “just a movie” is to cheapen people’s feelings or desires for it. One might as well wonder why this website even exists, given that the original Original Trilogy are “just movies.”

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#1159847
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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ChainsawAsh said:

SilverWook said:

One can easily buy the original broadcast version TNG episodes though.

And let’s be real, upscaled shots of the original VFX alongside new HD scans of non-effects shots would look like complete garbage.

So a 4K upscale of AOTC would look like garbage?

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#1159840
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To Canon or Not To Canon...
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Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

You also have said if a movie is canon and its novelization is canon (or vice versa), and dialogue in one is not the same as the other, then which one ought to be canon? So I want to know which one you would consider canon and why, or whether it matters to you and why not if it doesn’t.

I think someone in another thread said that those in charge said that where the book and movie differ, the movie takes precedence.

I would think the original work takes precedence. That is, the Star Wars movies trump the books; but the Harry Potter books trump the movies.

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#1159822
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To Canon or Not To Canon...
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Warbler said:

I’m sure what you want me to say.

I’m not calling on you to confirm your point about TLJ. I want to know why you feel that way about it.

It’s not just TLJ. You felt that way about Star Trek. You said that you felt ST’09 overwrote Trek Prime a la BTTF, and argued that because the term “alternate timeline” was used in the film itself, the “multiple quantum realities” aspect of Trek did not apply.

I’m not saying I want to prove you wrong. I want to know why you feel that way about it.

 
You also have said if a movie is canon and its novelization is canon (or vice versa), and dialogue in one is not the same as the other, then which one ought to be canon? So I want to know which one you would consider canon and why, or whether it matters to you and why not if it doesn’t.

You seem really set on your opinion of it and I’m genuinely interested in why you feel the way you do about a specific work needing to fully explain itself, rather than accepting supplemental sources (including discussions with us) to explain an ambiguity or whatever the case. I’m not telling you that you shouldn’t; I want to know why you do or what your thought process is.

Again, I’m not calling on you to defend your views, nor am I refuting them. I want to know what it is about your thought process that draws you to the conclusions that you make, especially since you’re very adamant about those conclusions.

For example:

Warbler said:

Supplemental explanations from unofficial sources don’t excuse a plot holes or continuity errors in movies.

Why not?

unlike Star Trek books, Star Wars books are officially considered canon. So I guess explanations in them do count.

But why does official canon matter to you? Why do you care? I don’t say you shouldn’t; I ask why you do.

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