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schorman13 said:

There are torrents out there for Cinemax rips of the OT, but not the PT. I think I deleted them, but I’ll check when I get home from work. I think it was discussed in Andrea’s thread about HDTV sources.

I’m only interested in the OT anyway. I looked in Andrea’s thread and used that information to try and find the cinemax or any of the other older mpeg2 rips for that matter but had no luck in finding them. They are probably bad sources for this kind of thing anyway.

I have the sky(UK) and Premiere(German) caps. If anybody knows where to find the others please pm me.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I spent a lot of time trying this with PSB, and eventually gave up. Several forum members worked on a variety of avisynth scripts, but in the end the result never looked as good as the best single capture. I’m not saying it isn’t a good idea, it’s just that you need to have some really sophisticated software to align everything perfectly.

I think in theory it would be good if you had at least three versions, and could eliminate the most disparate of the three (frame by frame), averaging the remaining two. That way you could remove noise. Otherwise, by averaging all the takes, you’re essentially incorporating all the noise from all the takes.

It’s also a very different situation depending on if you’re working with video or film.

This is why I moved to motion compensating instead of registration. With laserdisc, it does seem to improve the pic quality by removing analog noise. Like others have stated, I’m not sure that a digital master would benefit a whole lot from this. I’m not home right now but I will give it a try. I have the HDTV caps and blu-ray. Will post any positive results here if there are any.

If the separate sources are close enough then you can motion compensate the frames instead of trying to achieve a perfect alignment. I do this regularly with laserdisc caps. They never align perfectly even using the same machine with the same settings.

towne32 said:

yoda-sama said:

If I might make one suggestion. Whether you decide to GOUT sync or not, if you want credit for your work it might be best to do as Harmy did on his releases and put your credit at the end of the film. I suggest this since anyone who would want to mix in their preference of the plethora of audio and subtitle options out there to your footage would either have to offset or modify everything they add or, more likely, do as the current 720p GOUT synced copy on the spleen did and remove your credit at the beginning of the film. I added hairy_hen’s DTS-HD MA 5.1 track quite simply to that 720p GOUT synced version, and the result was glorious, even despite the occasional missing frame placeholders, and is about how I think I would preserve and distribute this with respect to your final version; it would be regrettable having to do so without credit to you.

I think this is a good idea for mkv releases. But for the BD ISO, they can just have their credit reel in a separate m2ts container, regardless of which way they choose to go (or have it show before the menu, etc).

This can be done with an mkv as well.

poita said:

Thanks, I’m a long way from well, but am back home.
Anyway, I’ll stop clogging up the -1 thread with other stuff😃

I’m watching the last reel of the neg1 release now, hopefully will throw it up onto the projector tonight and get a good look at it, but couldn’t wait, so have been watching it on the laptop which is less than ideal, but still fun to see it, and will get a chance to look for those frames later in the week. Quite probably some of them are missing from all prints and only exist now on the LDs, especially the last frames at reel changes.

Glad you are home poita 😃.

The list of missing frames comes from comparing against the 2006 bonus disc so at worst, the frames are available on the blu-ray or 2006 bonus disc. I guess it’s just a question of how hard it would be to blend them in.

EDIT: To the people who don’t like grain here’s a LPT. If you start looking at the grain that’s all you are going to see. Try to just watch the movie. The grain is actually a good thing imo.

Chewtobacca said:

poita said:

If someone wants to post images of the missing frames using the GOUT as a source, I’ll see if I have those frames on film anywhere. Probably don’t, but I will check.

The list below should be right. The frame-numbers are based on the GOUT after it has been demuxed with PGCDemux and run through DGIndex with forced film selected (in other words, post-IVTC). Althor, would you mind checking them?

42593-604 (inclusive)
45153-45156 (inclusive)
55746-50 (inclusive)
56085
56926
58476-79 (inclusive)
60759
64864
70506-7
78664
83448-51 (inclusive)
86658-715 (inclusive)
113650-5 (inclusive)
144051-5 (inclusive)

That’s pretty spot on. I added one frame for the trash compactor scene because the one that is existing got messed up in the cleaning process or something. I also added the frames missing from the end just in the interest of conformity. If we want cross-compatibility between projects then this should be included I think.

42593-42604
45153-45156
55746-55750
56085
56926
58476-58479
60759
64864
70506-70507
78664
83448-83451
86658-86715
113649-113655 #113649 is there but it’s wrong, or messed up, or something…
144051-144055
174252-174257

I cannot tell a difference between the 1080p vs 720p version on my 50" tv. There really hasn’t been much of a sacrifice imo. I have posted the script so anybody that wants to take a crack at their own encode can totally do that. I’ve heard that you can split an mkv and add new segments losslessly, but yeah, I have no interest in pursuing that.

reave said:

althor1138 said:

BTW, I’m planning on putting all of the raw files to my captures up on the newsgroup so that everybody will have access to them.

Did this ever happen?

Yes. The files are 768 days old and it’s a 60GB DL. Search for “TPM HF9G”. One day in the future, I’m going to recap it and make a 720p mkv like i’m doing with all of the other star wars laserdiscs that I have. Currently, I’m wading through the French Laserdiscs but I can do this after them.

EDIT: BTW, the mkv on the spleen is probably just as good quality and is already ivtc’ed.

Watching this side by side with the gout. I’m now convinced that the crawl on the gout is a recreation. The title card lingers quite a bit longer in the print version, and quite frankly, looks more like what I remember seeing as a kid.

pittrek said:

Why don’t you use the good old DVDDecrypter?

This. DvdDecrypter can decrypt from other regions without changing the drive’s region. I think you only get 5 times to change the drive’s region and then it’s gets locked in forever. That’s how it used to work anyway.

TR2N said:

althor1138 said:

TR2N said:

As I asked earlier… Can someone point me how to GOUT sync this monster? I would love to watch this with my dad in our foreign language. Will the BD release sync to GOUT, so I would wait… 😉?

Thank you guys!

I’m almost done with a 720p re-encode of this that is gout-synced. It looks like it will weigh in around 9-10 GB with the dts mono mix included. If there is interest I will up it to the spleen.

That would be nice!

Is it not possible to GOUT-sync it lossless?

Not to my knowledge.

EDIT: I guess you could save it raw but then it would be well over 100GB’s.

Same thing I do with the laserdisc releases. Where there is a frame missing, I insert a black frame with audio silence.

TR2N said:

As I asked earlier… Can someone point me how to GOUT sync this monster? I would love to watch this with my dad in our foreign language. Will the BD release sync to GOUT, so I would wait… 😉?

Thank you guys!

I’m almost done with a 720p re-encode of this that is gout-synced. It looks like it will weigh in around 9-10 GB with the dts mono mix included. If there is interest I will up it to the spleen.

When I indexed it with dgavcindex it reported 25fps when honoring pulldown flags and also when set to force film. Vlc reports 23.809523. Something definitely awry, but it plays fine for me.

Gout-sync script.

I count 111 frames missing vs. gout and 0 extra frames. Mostly from the end of the reels. I tried to add little annotations of the shots missing frames to make it easier to reference.

sw=AVCSource(“Star.Wars.1977.Silver.Screen.Edition.35mm.v1_track1_und.dga”).assumefps(“ntsc_film”).trim(1005,0)
blank=sw.blankclip()
swp1=sw.trim(0,42592) ++ blank.trim(0,11)#obi-wan reaches down to grab luke’s arm while he’s unconscious
swp2=sw.trim(42593,45140) ++ blank.trim(0,3)#luke and obi-wan sit on rocks by speeder while luke points at r2
swp3=sw.trim(45141,55729) ++ blank.trim(0,4)#cut from tarkin to r2/3po in front of sandcrawler----first frame of r2 is a duplicate(trimmed out) / end of reel?
swp4=sw.trim(55731,56064) ++ blank.trim(0,-1)#obi-wan / “that is what we are meant to believe”—first frame missing
swp5=sw.trim(56065,56904) ++ blank.trim(0,-1)#no luke, wait! / luke runs to speeder to go see owen and beru
swp6=sw.trim(56905,58453) ++ blank.trim(0,3)#tie fighters approach death star/cut to vader approaching leia’s cell
swp7=sw.trim(58454,60732) ++ blank.trim(0,-1)#standing at edge of cliff above mos eisley/cut to scene of mos eisley
swp8=sw.trim(60733,64836) ++ blank.trim(0,-1)#lined up at the bar/luke tugs on bartender’s sleeve
swp9=sw.trim(64837,70477) ++ blank.trim(0,1)#Han and Chewie stand up / Luke and obi-wan walk away from cantina
swp10=sw.trim(70478,78633) ++ blank.trim(0,-1)#Tarkin dismisses officer / Leia led down corridor by guards
swp11=sw.trim(78634,83416) ++ blank.trim(0,3)# Chewie with hands behind head / 3po looks at r2 and suggests a new strategy
swp12=sw.trim(83417,86622) ++ blank.trim(0,57)#That’s good. You’ve taken your first steps into a larger world. / doors open, officer enters in to deliver message to tarkin / End of reel
swp13=sw.trim(86623,113556) ++ blank.trim(0,5)#Dianoga releases Luke / Leia stares / End of reel
swp14=sw.trim(113557,143951) ++ blank.trim(0,4)#man in hangar waves droid into x-wing / overhead shot of x-wing in hangar / End of reel
swp15=sw.trim(143952,0) ++ blank.trim(0,5)
final=swp1 ++ swp2 ++ swp3 ++ swp4 ++ swp5 ++ swp6 ++ swp7 ++ swp8 ++ swp9 ++ swp10
++ swp11 ++ swp12 ++ swp13 ++ swp14 ++ swp15
return(final)

This is pretty incredible. Thanks for making it happen.

This is the one with the From Star Wars to Jedi laserdisc included. The only difference, I believe, is the inclusion of digital audio.

The second release of the Japanese DC had the “making of trilogy” discs. I don’t own this yet but am on the lookout for it. I just refuse to pay over 100 dollars for laserdiscs at this point. Someday I’ll find one.

I uploaded the pal version to usenet a few months ago also.

Harmy said:

Well, actually, ISO may be a little better, since it’s easier not to screw up the burning process. But content-wise, definitely the same thing.

I haven’t been paying attention to the BD projects here in this thread but thought I should mention that if you have integrated (real) seamless branching somewhere on the disc then it is imperative that you burn from the disc image in order to maintain the physical disc layout and prevent skipping during playback of the branches. With the right authoring software it will interleave the 2 branches so that they occupy a similar space on the disc to prevent the laser from having to bounce around. Otherwise, yeah, about the same thing.

What if Lucas wrote and Lynch directed Episode IX and was given an unlimited budget and time? It would be awful but awfully epic.

I like the idea of a laurel & hardy-esque type of film with darth icky and darth insanius bumbling their way through several nonsensical capers. This could be like the ultimate way of saying to GL “yes, we are shitting on your beloved films and yes, it was your idea”.

In the final act, something like THIS would go down at the very end 😃.

It’s been awhile since I broke out the TOS and watched it on Blu-ray but I seem to remember the original effects scenes were of pretty decent quality and blended in well with the surrounding material. I was very impressed with how they handled the whole “upgrade” situation. To be honest, I just watch the upgraded versions usually because they upgraded it with tender, loving care.

As a Star Wars fan, I dearly appreciate the fact that they were as interested, just as much as I am, in keeping the original footage available though.

Spaced Ranger said:

"Excellent!"		"Yes!"

Is there a description? (hardware/software used, source info & procedure for capture, type of processing applied [ex: script info for Avisynth], problems encountered & solution methodology, etc.)

There is a small description on the spleen. Overall, it was a nightmare to sync it to the blu-ray. I gave up on it twice before returning to it only because I didn’t want to return to the star wars ld’s without having finished it. The avisynth script is 100’s of lines of rolling cadence changes and orphaned fields. As always, I simply stack the material I am syncing to next to the project material and scroll through frame by frame and make sure it actually is in sync. When it isn’t, I add black frames with audio silence to make up the difference. It’s hardly noticeable unless you know where to look or notice a pop in the audio.

I captured using the cld-hf9g/theater750 pcie card combo. Ld-decode looked about the same quality-wise so I took the route that works in realtime.

The last thing I did was downscale to 520x480, crop the black bars, and finally resize to 720p with nnedi3.

The downscale helps out a lot to remove ringing, rainbowing, and even noise to a certain extent without loss of detail (I learned this from Antcufaalb). 500 seems to be about the point where the picture starts to get softer. According to wikipedia there is only 420 tv lines worth of resolution but if I flip back and forth between the original and the downscale there is a noticeable difference around 480. 500 would probably be ok but as a paranoid precautionary measure I added 20 and that’s how I ended up with the 520x480 numbers.

When I was a kid, he stood alongside some of the most inspirational storytellers of cinematic history. I hope that some catalyst will jolt him into becoming a storyteller again.

From Howard the Duck and forward he’s basically proven that he’s all about being in charge and making bad decisions though. Why doesn’t he just take the money and go make these awesome films he keeps ranting about? He is a billionaire with a history of directing, writing and producing films after all. Anyone seen Strange Magic btw?

It just seems like really, really bad form to come out and call them “white slavers” (wtf?). It reminds me of the Red Tails release where he was like “studios won’t make films with an all-black cast”.