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Humby said:

All that really needs to be done to fix the Endor ground battle, is to insert some home made trooper vs rebel action.  The Ewoks fighting for the their home is not necessarily unbelievable, it just shouldn't be center stage.  If a bunch of short battle scenes were intercut into the current footage, showing more rebel grounds troops in some action, then it would fix everything, IMO.

 honestly this is probably the best suggestion I've heard...

I like this a lot... I'll be keeping an eye on it.

Wishlist:

-Vader hunting down the remaining Jedi.

-The Rebel's first victory where they steal the Death Star plans that was mentioned in Episode IV's crawl.

-Live Action Clone wars.  (Bring back Hayden and McGreggor, give them good direction and actually flesh out their relationship)

I'm not crazy about re-using Yavin.... If the Empire wanted to reuse the Death Star, it would make sense for them to tow the remains to a a more secure location of Endor where they could put up a shield generator to protect it instead of keeping things put in a place the Rebels are already familiar with.

my awful and incredibly rough explosion concept converting DS1 to DS2:

Bingowings said:

I remember some kid in the playground saying that the new Star Wars film would have a big battle near the wreck of the Death Star.

Naturally I didn't believe it because the explosion in the first film turned the thing to glitter.

Then I picked up this in WHSmith.

and it had this on the first double page spread.

and for a moment I actually thought it was rather cool.

But if the explosion in an ANH edit could be toned down, the new station could be the burned out husk of the old station thus making the Death Star in the first film more impressive because it was easier to try and patch up the large chunk that survived that inferno than start from scratch.

New models and mattes could show the interior as a melted ash filled version of the sterile corridors and internal canyons of the first film.

It could underline just how much the Empire has already fallen into chaos making the final victory more plausible.

The same kid said that the Emperor was guarded by two red Boba Fetts...

This is a really cool idea actually....  the Empire in the process of restoring their ultimate weapon as a final hope to wrangle things in... it could be explained in the opening crawl and it would limit how much tweaking would need to be done.

also explains why Death Star 1 took 20 years to build while DS2 took a fraction of the time. (without making up lame EU excuses)

I know this is probably far too radical for this thread, but ideally it would be great if the new weapon being constructed by the Empire was something other than "another Death Star"

Obviously the Death Star 2 has it's own unique spin on things that differ from the first movie, but it still feels a tad rehashed....

Burdokva said:

Well, I've always thought that Dooku would work magnificently as a Jedi who believes that the only way to defeat the Sith, who are slowly overtaking the Republic, is to go on an all out war against it and take over.

Tragically misguided, lured into the Dark Side and not entirely a "hero" but rather a ruthless, dedicated leader with good intentions.

And the Separatists (who should have been formed at the beginning of Ep.I) could have been the twisted version of the Rebel Alliance.

Instead of poor but heroic rebels, the Separatists are initially rich and power hungry human and alien star system who eventually are united by the fear of an increasingly brutal Republic, and fighting for independence. Over the course of the movies you get to sympathize more with their cause, however flawed it was at the beggining.

 

Exactly.... and the ultimate reveal of Dooku / The Seperatists being right about a Sith Controlled republic totally twists the audience too... this whole time the Jedi have been fighting for the "bad guy" while Dooku was right to not trust the republic... I'm not even sure if you need Dooku to turn to the darkside... have him lead the order and maybe pick up so Dark Side tactics, ie: Lightning.... but I wouldn't call him a Sith

Dooku shouldn't be in league with Palpatine, he should be fighting against him the whole time... the Jedi can think he's a Sith, but this just hammers home how closed minded the Jedi's system had become, is what leads to their downfall, almost justifying Dooku's rebellious actions even more.... Come episode III, Dooku finally captures the Sith and can put an end to him, but alas, Anakin and Obi-Wan get to him before he gets a chance to expose him.

this also makes his lines make more sense....

"What if I told you that the Republic was now under the control of the Dark Lords of the
Sith? ... Hundreds of Senators are now under the influence of a Sith Lord called Darth Sidious."

Dooku knows whats up, and he's hoping that if any Jedi will trust him it will be Obi-Wan to who he has the mutual Qui-Gon relationship with.

he also doesn't want to kill the Jedi unless he as to....in the arena:

"Master Windu. You have fought gallantly. Worthy of recognition in the history archives of the Jedi Order. Now it is finished. Surrender and your lives will be spared."

I think it would be possible to twist these into "good intentions" by Dooku... and a lightsaber color change would reinforce things even more.

Papaltine meanwhile is just an opportunist who uses the threat of war as another chance to gain more power (and he finally has an excuse to use the Army he secretly ordered) , Anakin was always who he was grooming to be his apprentice after Maul... no Dooku in between...

if you are trying to link prequels more to the OT, maybe you could switch Ben's line in ESB from:

"Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me"

to

"Yoda, A Jedi Master who instructed me"

or even....

"Yoda, the Jedi Master"

Just came across this silly opinion article:

http://screencrush.com/jennifer-law...tm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_44045


now obviously a young han solo as a girl idea is completely bogus... but the author may be on to something... Jennifer Lawrence would make a damn good daughter for Han and Leia in episode 7.

I don't see a problem with the Rock..... assuming he's some sort of villain type character he could actually work quite well... either some sort of alien or a bounty hunter in a lesser roll... why not?  Wouldn't be any worse than Sam Jackson....

brimforge said:

For the "big secret" - one could leave the "Vader transformation" offscreen - that isn't so bad ... on the other hand, we could lay some red herings, like turning Darth Maul into General Grievous (I try to make some mockups how "Darth Grievous" could look onscreen)

An offscreen "transformation" would be the best way to handle it and preserve secret I agree.... you could keep things relatively simple and not have too many decoys thrown into the situation.

I could see a scenario where Anakin and a group of other Jedi are sent off on a mission together.  Later, Obi-wan is informed that "one of" his apprentices has turned to the dark side... Obi-wan responds to this in to something along the lines of "Anakin, is he ok?"  only for the informer to simply say "he has fallen" and he hands Anakin's lightsaber over to Obi-Wan, making the audience think he is dead.

We could then have a faceoff with a masked, red sabered Vader (not yet mechanical).... he would be defeated in a similar fashion and reconstructed in a similar fashion that we see in the end of the RotS... no names of Anakin being used, but some emotional lines could still be spouted between the two, but the audience views this battle as Obi-wan going after the fallen jedi who killed his best friend and "brother"

Instead of reducing colors to simply Red/Blue... how about just splashing in some other colors in general?  Give a few other Jedi Purple and make it less out of place..... maybe a yellow one here and there... they wouldn't need to be as prevalent as the blue/green... but still existent.

Johannus said:

If it could be suggested that Dooku tried to tempt Anakin away from the jedi, and that Anakin later killed him in the heat of the moment but that it wasn't his first choice, then this could be used to show Anakin is already straying from the jedi path so all Palpatine has to do is give him the final nudge. 

Perhaps this deleted scene could be used, and with some clever editing and a voice-alike for Dooku, we could have a suggestion of Anakin joining his cause rather than the Naboo?  Or maybe even using clips from him speaking to the Captured Obi-wan.... Anakin pauses maybe, and Padme ends up answering for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjNA_SEKKKE

I wish there was simply a way to not have that super ridonkulous looking wrinkley face for the rest of the movie... any extra "wrinkles" seen in the OT can just be attributed to an old man aging 20 years.....

Probably unrealistic, but is there no way to superimpose the "normal" Palpatine face for the second half of RotS and not have it look awkward?  Maybe if he is covered by his cloak a majority of the time it could be pulled off?

also I completely agree no sabers for Palps or Yoda.... should be force battle + Dodging

I agree no Lightning for Dooku as well... and I know this has been discussed before, but I'd change his roll completely.... I'd still like to see him as simply a rogue Jedi and not a Sith... a character who disagrees with the Jedi Order's stances and knows something is not right with the Republic... he thinks his cause is genuinely the right one.... this also makes more sense as to why he reveals Sidious is controlling the senate and wants others to join his cause... you could have him stay with a blue/green saber... (or even a white one that I saw mocked up awhile ago) 

To me this makes its more clear Anakin was targeted as the next Sith apprentice the entire time, and Sideous simply isn't burning through apprentices each movie. 

Perhaps you could even remove Sidious as a puppet master on both sides of the war,  simply have him taking advantage and manipulating the feelings about the war to come to power within the Republic.. he could be the one who ordered the army, even though it wasn't OKed by anyone, all of the sudden the Republic needs an army and hes there with one.  Then when we finally see Palpatine is the Sith, the reveal is Dooku was right the entire time not to trust the Republic...

I can see it now....

"Luke, Meesa your Uncle"

But in all seriousness I like the idea....

So spinoffs confirmed?

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=72668

I love this idea, although spinoffs taking place during the Sequel trilogy I was hoping would wait a bit... a Seven Samurai inspired movie would fit great as a Live Action Clone Wars type story....

love the above idea..... 

below would be my idea for throwing the audience off the trail of Anakin=Vader.... probably needs major tweaking but here is my ramble...

starting in Episode II:

Obi and Anakin have formed a great close relationship, but with the recent developments of Dooku going rogue, Obi is assigned a second apprentice that once belonged to Dooku.  He gets along with Obi-Wan and his new peer in Anakin, but its clear that he is a bit of a third wheel, he begins to show some jealousy and is constantly trying to outdo Anakin who clearly seems to have a leg up on him in almost all aspects of their training... not to mention Dooku tries to seduce his old apprentice and tries to get him to join him on a few choice encounters.

Anakin meanwhile continues down a very similar path that we currently see.... and then Mustafar happens.... he is confronted 2nd apprentice rather than Obi-Wan... the fight goes down in a very similar fashion and ultimately ends with with anakin arm and legless at the edge of the lava didn't have the high ground, and the 2nd apprentice also states how his skills have grown.... Anakin gives one last giant force push to attack the 2nd apprentice and throw him into a pile of coals before he is consumed by flames..... at this point Obi-wan has arrived on the scene to see the end of the battle, what has become of Anakin says a few words to him, picks up his saber and he also sees the 2nd apprentice badly injured rushing to his rescue....

The next time we see Obi-Wan, the 2nd apprentice is on a respirator slowly recovering... (ultimate vader-fake out)  the rest of the movie progresses with obi-wan apprentice-less (maybe he can confront Grevious at this point)  and ultimately we would see a suited Vader save the emperor from Mace, raid the jedi temple, etc...

I agree... new planets, new characters in the ST... the only recurring characters would be the OT cast, I see little reason to include Obi-Wan... although my ideal ST wouldn't focus on Luke anymore....and planet-wise it makes sense for Corasaunt to return, but the others I don't see much value in... (although I'm sure Tatooine might be shoehorned in there some how)

Reserve PT characters and planets for spinoff movies.... (Clone Wars between II and III, Jedi Purge between III and IV)  This can leave a door open for the actors like Sam Jackson and Ewan to stay associated, and maybe "right some wrongs" with additional spin off movies.... (a clone wars movie with Hayden and Ewan expanding on the relationship and making me care more would be ideal)

Disney is planning on cranking out a movie every 2 years or so right?  well those movies don't necessarily need to be an Episode every time.... right?  doing each episode 2 years apart seems a bit rapid.... fill in with the gaps with these spinoff movies.

Mrebo said:

Interesting? Writers for possible Star Wars spinoffs.

I think this could potentially be cool to fill in "the gaps" between films...... some live action Clone Wars movies would be great.... and maybe instead of the live action TV show between III and IV they could put some spin off movies in there... (a plot with Vader hunting down and purging any remaining Jedi after order 66 would be awesome, you could also see some early Rebel action as well with Bail)

honestly I think their best option is to only have loose ties to the previous movies..... some brief cameos by the original cast scattered throughout (with their actual ages... set it 25 years later or so) .... but ultimately I think they should be primarily focusing on a new storyline and a new group of heroes.... progress things forward so they could expand with new stories in the future.. (and obviously they could always go backwards before the PT as well if they wanted to)

if they absolutely need a recurring character link to the other movies toss in R2 and 3PO as sidekicks on the new adventure.

DominicCobb said:

 

One - "wait, what? Anakin was definitely dead. There's no way Vader's telling the truth. Well I guess I'll have to turn on ROTJ and find out what happened..... hmm, I just watched ROTJ and they didn't explain it at all. I'm very confused."

My solution for these - fixing number one is simple. Show that Anakin turned into Vader! I think it should be shown in full in ROTS. But, and here is how this post is on topic, you could, if you wanted to, have a flashback to Anakin being saved and turned into Vader in ROTJ.

I would almost say have the ROTS "flashback" of anakin becoming vader happen during Empire... the "search your feelings you know it to be true" line then luke gets hit with the vision of him transforming, and doesn't want to believe it..... then both luke and the audience questions if vader is the one putting the images in his head... but ultimately can believe and be shocked that it is the truth.

Just watched ROTJ... and I know this is probably drastic, but honestly, I don't think their is really much reason to have Leia be Luke's sister at all.... may also make future edits of the prequel trilogy easier to justify her "remembering" Padme as well.

And also keeping in mind future edits of the Prequels... if it is indeed concealed that Anakin and Vader are one in the same, obviously the transformation scene would have never been seen.  When Yoda confirms that Vader is Lukes father, perhaps have a Luke with a "force flashback" to the scene of Palpatine saving Anakin and transforming him, and verifying to luke the truth..

brash_stryker said:

No! No saber at all! Was it you, Bingowings, that made the case for there being no need for Yoda to be an action hero by comparing his type of Jedi to Shaolin Monks and the other kind of Jedi to Shaolin Knights? I thought that was a perfect comparison that summed up how these prequels ought to have been handled in the first place.

I've been lurking here for a long time, but finally made an account....

I agreed 100% on Yoda being saber-less .... not to mention it makes the perfect world scenario of replacing CG yoda with a Puppet that looks like ESB/ROTJ Yoda easier to pull off....

and while were on that topic.... radical for me would be replacing a ton of the CG characters with costumes.. Gungans would be 100Xs better if they were in well done rubber suits, if Jabba were to remain I'd love to see one that looks like ROTJ Jabba... maybe an entirely revamped Watto/Sebulba (either puppets or costumes)... etc....

to me the CGI in many cases is way too "fake" looking.... it stands out and doesn't seem to blend with the real actors in far too many situations.  I know this would be incredibly hard to pull off in a fan edit, but I can dream I guess....