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#1036362
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Project Index: Other Preservations and Fan Projects
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I’m compiling a pretty complete list (1700+ entries now) of fan edit and preservation projects; I added the ones I updated in the first post, but it was long time ago… now there are many new projects, and also I didn’t add fanedits (IIRC).

If someone would give an hand, could first check every link in the first post, and see if the project which was in progress were actually released, and add a release date for every project; drop me a pm in case.

Thanks!

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#1036340
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Minority Report [spoRv]
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applesandrice said:
Looks great! Glad to see you’re working on this again. 😃

Thanks!

One thing did catch my eye, though. The black levels on the regrade didn’t seem to be quite as deep as those in the untouched video. Could that just be related to the compression necessary for streaming?

It could be it, or just the fact I tried to match not only colors, but also brightness and contrast (as much as possible); to check if it’s the former, just download the video, if it’s the same, then the black level is the one found in the DVD. I could always use the BD luma along the regraded chroma, but then colors will be affected, too… I’d like to stay true as much as possible to DVD.

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#1036336
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Disney's Beauty and the Beast [spoRv] *BD-25 RELEASED*
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It seems there is still some interest in this project…

Well, during the past months I learned a lot of new things, filters, techniques etc. and I thought to get back to old projects (even released one) and see if I can improve them somehow.

For BATB, maybe it’s wise to do a slight color correction, and make a step back and avoid the super-razor-sharp-and-ungrained version, in favour of a little bit more “natural” (as natural could be an animated feature, of course) and to add a grain plate (asked by many) - at the end, the grain was there when printed in the film, right?

Here you are a comparison: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/197762

Which is better, old or new?

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#1036297
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Star Wars 97SE in HD using super resolution & more
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Quick’n’dirt comparison; both upscaled (one at 720p, the other at 1080p), copied in MSPaint, saved as JPG (to simulate a sort of compression), opened with IrfanView, copied again in MSPaint and saved again in JPG:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/197757

I chose an animated feature, with few colors, because it’s easy to spot the grain structure; using a real compressed material, difference, in particular in details could be even more evident, when zoomed in; at normal (or higher) distance from the display, difference could be not that easy to spot.

Conclusion? To upscale to 720p instead 1080p to save bandwidth or disk space, and time to compress, and to upload, and to download etc. is a wise decision; result will be not that far from 1080p. But it will be, nevertheless…

Again, it all depends from many factors; but if it’s true that 720p upscaled = 1080p, then why we have 4K (actually 2160p) displays? It’s so easy to upscale 1080p to 2160p (2x) or even 720p (3x)…

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#1036176
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Star Wars 97SE in HD using super resolution & more
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schorman13 said:

Looks great!

Thanks!

Just wondering if 1080p is really an improvement over 720p, with regard to detail. It might save encoding time to stick with 720p.

Agree, will save encoding time, but at what price? I tried to answer to that question in this brief article, written few weeks ago: https://forum.fanres.com/thread-1205.html

For the lazy ones, long story short: proper (read: well done, not a simple bilinear or bicubic) upscale to 1080p is ALWAYS better than using the same upscale technique to upscale to 720p, and leave the rest to software/hardware player, or display (at least today, January 2017); how much the improvement is significant is up to the technique involved, the player/display quality, the subjective quality perceived by any given individual due to his/her visual and color acuity, distance from screen, ambient light etc.

About grain: if you add a grain plate to 720p, it will be of course upscaled to 1080p as well, enlarging each grain 1.5x1.5=2.25 times… so, if you set up a fine grain, you will end up with a coarse grain, while a coarse grain will be… a lot more coarser! 😄

This is not theory; just take any SD source, upscale it (again, using only the best methods) to 720p, add your preferred 35mm grain plate, encode it lossy with decent bitrate, open the encoded file in your player fullscreen (that should be 1920x1080), pause, capture the screen, copy it in your image editor and save it as “720p”.

Now take the same SD source, upscale it with the same method used for 720p, but this time to 1080p, add the same 35mm grain plate, encode it lossy using the same code and a 2.25 times the bitrate used for 720p, open the encoded file in your player fullscreen (that will be the same as previous, 1920x1080), pause at the same frame, capture the screen, copy it in your image editor and save it as “1080p”.

At the end, just compare the two frames “720p” and “1080p”; are they the same? Are they REALLY similar? If you can answer no to both questions (as I did) I think it’s better to encode at 1080p… I would do a live example for you right now, but I’m in the middle of an encoding, so I can’t risk to block everything - again 😄

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#1035984
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Minority Report [spoRv]
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After a long time, I decided to work again on this project; now that the color matching is refined, result is even better; still, don’t know if it’s just good or great 😄

So, take three and half minutes of your time to watch the test clip, and let me know:
https://vimeo.com/200171806

Thanks!

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#1035971
Topic
Star Wars 97SE in HD using super resolution & more
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Thanks guys, happy to know you like it!

I’d like to do the entire upscale, but the sad thing is that it will take WEEKS (literally!) to encode it lossless, plus a day or two for the lossy version, plus a week or so to upload/seed the final BD-25 version… I need a new, faster, more powerful PC, at least to limit the encoding time to a day (or around it); for the line speed, I should check if finally the fiber has reached my home…

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#1034784
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OPEN MATTE - Master List
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MrBrown said:

The longer broadcasts of the first two movies where in the “ultimate edition” releases as far as I know…
Sadly the stopped doing this for the others…

That’s why a project maker could step in… 😄

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#1034780
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OPEN MATTE - Master List
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Thanks for the input, I added them to the main list in my PC, will show up in the next update.

Harry Potter: as I wrote, I just gathered info from several sources in the web, so frankly I don’t know, sorry!

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#1034473
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WORKPRINT - Master List
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pittrek said:

There is a Star Trek Generations workprint, and several workprints of Star Trek TNG, DS9 and VOY episodes

Thanks for the info! If you can compile a list (possibly with some more details), I’ll include them in the next update!

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#1034465
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WORKPRINT - Master List
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There was nothing similar around, so I thought it was time to create a master list, with workprints, TV versions not available on released media, and similar things. I gathered around 1000 entries, almost all are different titles. As usual, correction and addition are welcome. Have fun!

WORKPRINT - Master List: http://blog.sporv.com/workprints-master-list

You may be interested in this, too:

OPEN MATTE - Master List: http://blog.sporv.com/open-matte-master-list

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#1033993
Topic
The X-Files (1993) Season 1 - 4 in 4X3???
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As far as I know, the first HD version was the one broadcasted on the German HDTV (7MAXX IIRC), in 16/9; no 4/3 HD, nor 480p. Again, AFAIK.

The only way to get the best quality is to find out if the laserdiscs are better than DVDs (highly unlikely), or combine both PAL and NTSC DVDs (and add some cleaning filter) to obtain a better upscaled version than each single PAL or NTSC upscale.

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#1033991
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OPEN MATTE - Master List
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Every time I want to know if a given title has an open matte version, I must looking for all over the net… I searched a lot for a complete list of open matte movies, but what I have found are meagre lists with just few dozen titles (when I was lucky!); so, I thought it was time to compile a comprehensive list, THE master list… currently, there are more than 2000 entries!

Hope it will be helpful for someone; you are free to post the link everywhere, to help find out as many titles as possible, and to correct all the errors (and I’m pretty sure there are many).

I’ve decide to let the list reside into my blog, just to avoid to update the same list scattered around various forums; for any addition and correction, you could post a comment here or directly on the blog; write first the title(s) (with as many info as possible) then eventual comments; have fun, and without much further ado, here you are the

OPEN MATTE - Master List: http://blog.sporv.com/open-matte-master-list

You may be interested in this, too:

WORKPRINT - Master List: http://blog.sporv.com/workprints-master-list

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#1033846
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Star Wars saga - Extra Extended Edition (1080p)
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My 2c about the original Jabba: as much as I could love the idea (“You are a wonderful human being!”), we see him in Episode VI (and Episode I as well), so following a logical path, it can’t be human.

Unless some wizard put a spell on him after EP I, and then he managed to return to his original form before EP VI - even if, I must admit, if I can chose, I’d prefer to be a not-so-handsome human instead of Pizza-the-Hut or something… 😄

Back on topic: if you want to partecipate in the project, we could join the force and share our works.

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#1033004
Topic
Star Wars saga - Extra Extended Edition (1080p)
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The sandstorm scene does not have all that dialog, but I think this could be used nevertheless, because as it is now, it’s unusable, unless an audio magician would be so skilled to extract and clean the existing dialog…

If you can share that part, it will be great, thanks a lot!

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#1032336
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Star Wars saga - Extra Extended Edition (1080p)
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RESTORED DELETED SCENES NEEDED!

I know there were some projects before about restoring deleted scenes, both as stand alone projects, and to be used in extended editions. If someone still has them, and would like to contribute to this project by let it use those scenes, please post here!


Random thoughts.

Yesterday I picked up my old pan&scan copy of Spaceballs laserdisc, just to spend some time and maybe get fresh ideas. Two things I noted immediately: this is not a p&s, but actually an open matte version, and it’s incredibly nice, given the fact it’s a 30yrs old disc… well, Mel Brooks did a good job; I like more Young Frankenstein, but this comedy has its moments (the Alien gag is great, and to hear John Hurt saying “not again!” is priceless!).

Well, back to topic, there is at least one shot that could be used; the escape pod from the last part of the movie is extremely well done, and I thought that it can replace (please do not shoot me!) the one at the beginning of EP4…

Another thing that I ever wanted to do is to fix the edit mistake done in EP4, when Owen and Luke are buying droids; there is a shot of R2 with the red droid still near it (him?), while it is actually broken few meters away near Luke and 3PO; TMBTM managed to solve this - have someone else thought about this little, but important, detail? Not GL, of course, he had to hide R2 behind some rocks!

benduwan said:
here some links for you.
maybe you find more informations or ideas:

I managed to spend some time to visit all the threads, and read the interesting parts; I read many of them before, but I reread them to find something more; there were some interesting ideas, but sadly many images and links are dead now, and some member who can contribute to this project were offline since years.

Luckily, some others are still active, and I dropped a PM to them, to know if they have some restored deleted scenes, and would like to share them, to be used in this project.

The Aluminum Falcon said:
To be honest, I strongly prefer the 4th option. Moreso than the other options, it comes across as a “deliberate creative” stylistic decision. 😉

3 inescapably looks like B&W footage that was computer colorized, and I have suspicions that 2 would as well to a lesser extent. 4 is so radical that you can almost buy the filmmakers intended it to be that way. Grade the hues just a tad more subtly, and I think you’ve got yourself a scene!

If done properly, following a color reference, point 2 will lead to good, if not excellent, results. The fact I’m not skilled (and also too lazy, I must admit) will not help, of course! So, unless a good soul would step in and offer his/her services, it’s simply not a viable option. But I must add this: if a photoshop/GIMP skilled user will follow this basic idea (http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~yweiss/Colorization - there are some basic how-to guide around), it will take “relatively” few time to properly color the needed scenes/shots.

Point 3. Yes, I agree, as I wrote before, that result is less than perfect, and it’s difficult to believe anyone will be fooled enough… but, again IMHO, it could be less distracting than a single (or dual) tone trick. Of course, further tests should be made.

Glad to hear that part of the cantina scene will be restored. Should be cool.

The fact is that this (brief) shot should be integrated in an existing, colored scene, so the “color trick” can’t be used, I think…

I might also advocate for using a colorized original arm shot instead of Adywan’s for authenticity…

Actually, the “nice guy” had the gun, so why we see the alien cut arm instead? Adywan corrected it perfectly!

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