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Dear kk650,

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kk650 means; fabulous quality work every time.

Thank You!

Hi Guys!

Have you already seen this beauty?

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/the-empire-strikes-back-wampa-attack-new-stop-motion-shots.50008252/

Joe Schultz and Jim Davidson created a new stop motion animation Wampa sequence for the Empire. The idea was to create a stop motion animation what would fit into the original movie. Therefore it is not a CGI animation, instead a traditional stop motion scene. I would like to see a similar or familiar scene(s) in the Empire Revisited, because the idea works fine…at least for me.

Videos only:

http://vimeo.com/56671343

What do you think, and what Adywan thinks about the idea?

Dear Ady,

I know it was a lots of talk about the famous Bespin SE scene, where the FX crew forgot to add the lift to the background. I respect your work so much and i am so excited about the final product...could you hint us any concept picture about that one scene?

Not the final render, not even a movie file, but a single picture? How about that scene? Because that error always bother me...and not just me but the whole community. 

That was a significant error int the 97 SE, and not the only one.

Is there any chance to release an upscale HD version from the existing DVD9 material? There are many great up scaling programs, so it is not an impossible task. And it would be a great opportunities for Ady, to make some little additional change which was not so great. In my point of view, there is only one....the lightning needle of the sphere droid, and perhaps the changed dialogs.

I have to agree with SKY. Some people are insatiable and complain a bit too much. Someone talks about real physic, real shadows...and how cares?I mean, this is a fantasy movie not some historical film.

Some says...i don't like it, because in the real word it does not look like...men...morning...time to wake up...what real word??? What are you talking about?

What Ady did, is so incredible, so freaking amazing. It deserve full respect.

The clip is amazed me, and from my point of view the falcon as real as it can be. It doesn't seems CGI...not at all. Moreover it is like an old fashioned model from the old time which is great and makes the scene more believable to me. It is simple perfect, no need to change at all.

I really like it, so metallic look…great. I really like to know what thinks Adywan about this kind of color corrections. Now this is really close to the Original Trilogy look.

Is that true that Ady wants to kill Lando in the late comming ROTJ:R? Sorry for that dumb question....but I see it already has a topic....save Lando or something. :)

I have been waiting this trailer for a time being...and now I am shocked. It's amazed me. Like a new Star Wars movie on the way...Thanks for the feeling Ady. Incredibel work, every scene, every correction is simple incredible. Thats the way how should looks like an old Star Wars movie in 2009.

Darth Solo: Thanks again :D

This is a great forum, with full of great and talented men. Adywan is one of them. And most of all, we are all In the family. We are all ONE, it’ doesn’t matter the country of origin. Being a Star Wars fan meant, you have a big family and you are part of it. I am glad to be a member of this great community. Of Corse in my country, we have an own fan community (also great)…but because my country is very small, only 10 million people….we are (fans) only few in number.   And unfortunately, the Star Wars meant nothing to the Hungaryan people, because we have many serious problems. But I can shore everyone, all Hungarian Star Wars Fans really like to read this page. And what is more, when the Revisited EPIV came to light, all the Hungarian fans enjoyed together, what Adywan did. Yes, it was a big chat, across weeks and weeks. J

"Aint the language barrier a freash way of looking at things?"  Mostly Yes :)

I like the English language so much, unfortunately I can’t even write or speak correctly. It’s because, the Hungarian language is so different. One of the most difficult languages on the world. So beautiful and so hard, and that is why, all the people in my country have a strange accent if anyone try to speak English. So sorry if I have some grammatical impropriety.

Yes? :D:D:D:D:D

Nothing wrong....even if it isn't call to me....thanks everyone. :D

Adywan is a great editor, and if he could do models like he do the editorial job....than the Empire movie is in good hands.

But all men needs help...and the Star Wars is a collective experience. Or am i wrong?

Darth Solo: Thanks...:)

There are lot of things what I usually do…art, sculpting, modeling. I really like the art, and because my grandfather is a sculptor and “artist”…you know, this is a family legacy. I have many things what I didn’t upload my page, because that is only a portfolio page. Once in a time if I have a will and free time, I upload. But because I am lazy, it is not happened every time, just once in a year. :D

If I can help, drawing concept or storyboards, or making models for Adywan….here am I.

I have some great idea about the death of Veers, so if it help, I can draw some storyboards…or concept illustration. Just call me. :)

Adywan:

Do you want or need any kind of help about the generator model? Because, I am a scratch builder, concept “artist” and model maker. I would be soooo glad if I can help you any form.

Just visit my web page, and see what usually I doing if I have a free time.

www.weylandyutani.extra.hu

All model is self made! The newest is the Trade Federation Droid Tank.A full scratch build model. 

About the Video...what can i say...Excellent color correction as always. Adywan quality. :)

Because the drop ship isn’t in the background….and to top it all in that pictures the ship is too big.

So we need a smaller ship in the background…it would be great. But the decision is yours Adywan.

And what about the explosions of the AT-AT’s head and the death of Veers?

I just say that because if you want, I can make some art for the scene or story board because I am a concept designer. I’m glad if I can help you to draw some concept art. Even if I can’t write English very well. J

There is no any kind of stealth factor. It is the Empire opposite a small Rebel force. This is not the Clone Wars. The Empire doesn’t fear anything mostly NOT the Rebels….because the rebels just a simple nothing for the Empire’s Army.(even the destruction of the first Death Star doesn't mean anything.)

I think you missed something. We don’t talk a new shot what alter the reveal of the AT-ATs. We just talk a new composite shot. The first reveal was (with binoculars)  brilliantly done, no one wants to alter or modified or fit a new shot into the movie. But a new composite background would be excellent. What is the problem with that if Adywan replace the old snow and cloud background with a new one, where the viewer could see some new element, like the landing pods. I think a new MATPAINT what Adywan already did in the EpIV Revisited  is an excellent idea. Don’t you think? J

"Adding the drop ships like in 005's example shots would pull emphasis on the drop ships, not the AT-ATs which are the stars of the ground battle."

It’s funny….as you said….BIG REVEAL. If you see above the pictures, You can only see small black points, not even an AT-ATs.

Excellent….you just simple amazed me about the conception. The second one picture is much better than the first one. Of Corse if Adywan can live with the concept idea, he must be rendering a new ships and a few more AT-AT. Additionally it wouldn’t be that wrong if the ships isn’t move. I know, all fan would prefer a much dynamical shots than a simple matpaint…but just think a little bit….if the AT-ATs pods already landed, why leave? The Rebels not that strong, there is nothing to fear to moving the ships a save distant.

Where is Adywan when the people needs him? J

"I know we've talked about adding the landing ships and it was rejected, but I want to re-add my suggestion that we just see one lifting off as we first see the cloud that the walkers emerge from.  The cloud could be the snow disturbed by the landing and taking off of the ship.  You could even just have the tail end of it flying off the top of frame.  It would be easy (relatively) to do, and would explain all the smoke.  I'll mock something up sometime."

I must say it is a really good  idea, and I hope so Adywan also can live whit this. (I wish itJ

And here is one of my personal favorite concept shot, unfortunately not used in the movie. A beautiful view of the Imperial Stardestroyer with the planet Hoth. What can I say.....Exelent conception.

I agree, the rocket thing is absolutely unnecessary. In the Original Trilogy, that kind of effects shot (what didn’t serve the storyline) only the waste of time.

That is why I said, all the fan people have an own opinion about what would be excellent if Adywan changed or fix it. But all effects is unnecessary if it doesn’t serve the whole story line.

A simple T47 ship, what fly into the AT-ATs cockpit is just a great but unnecessary shot, but if something big happening during the scene, example Veers died because of the explosion….it would be great, I think.   

A bigger Hoth battle would be excellent if Adywan has the capability to do something similar to this cutscene.(Veers's death, just read back one page!)

And of course we all want to see the AT-ATs landing pods…and a lot of new things.

(Sorry for the false grammar…but I am Hungarian:))

As I previously said, there is an amazing cut scene in the Empire Strikes Back. And it would be excellent if Adywan try to restore the death of General Veers. I know, in the Expanded Universe Veers didn’t die in the movie, but it wont be bother anyone. So the fact is, we have the description of the full scene with pictures. And I think, Adywan is the man how has the ability to restore the scene and fit into the movie. It’s a great effect shot, seeing the AT-AT head exploded because one of the Rebel pilot fly into Veers cocpit.

So here is the description taken from the famous T-bone:

Originally, in THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, General Veers wasn't supposed to make it off Hoth. One of the Rebel pilots, Hobbie (according to the fourth draft script) crashes into General Veers' cockpit window, taking down the huge walker.

Here is an excerpt from the EMPIRE 4th draft by Brackett and Kasdan:

INT WALKER NO. 1 - COCKPIT
CLOSE-UP VEERS inside Walker No. 1 cockpit. He speaks over the com-link as he studies various readouts.

VEERS
...yes, Lord Vader. I've reached the main
power generators and I'm destroying them now.
The shield will be down in moments.
You may start your landing...

PILOT
Look out!

Veers looks out the cockpit window.

EXT BATTLEFIELD - HOTH
FULL SHOT of Hobbie's speeder, Rogue Four, as it races over camera right at the head of the oncoming walker.

INT WALKER NO. 1 - COCKPIT
OVER THE SHOULDER of Veers and his pilots as the speeder crashes into the front window.

PILOT
He's going to...

Impact, huge explosion.

EXT BATTLEFIELD - HOTH
FULL SHOT of Walker No. 1 with head exploding and frying into a million pieces.

EXT BATTLEFIELD - HOTH
FULL SHOT Walker No. 1. After a few moments the headless walker topples over on its side in a cloud of snow.

EXT BATTLEFIELD - HOTH
3/4 REAR LOW ANGLE SHOT of the giant Walker No. 2. It stops in mid-step. A muffled explosion is heard, then the insides of the giant walker come blasting out every conceivable opening. It sits dead in its tracks, smoking like a locomotive.

EXT BATTLEFIELD - HOTH
LOW ANGLE MEDIUM SHOT of Walker No. 1 as it advances at camera, going slightly right to left. The smoldering walker that Luke just blasted stands dead in its tracks in the background.

The black and white images included below are storyboards from EMPIRE. The first one clearly shows what happens in the scene but we still don't have any hard evidence telling us if it was actually filmed or not. Scott Weller, however, tells me that Julian Glover informed him in an April 2004 e-mail that the death of General Veers "wasn't scripted, let alone filmed which led to speculation that he would appear in the next film." The script was in constant flux so who knows if it was ever truly scripted.

I found the first image below on the web a long while back (I think it was www.starwarscutscenes.com) and my friend and fellow cut scenes historian, Ryan Silva, tells me it's from the original Fan Club Newsletter called "Bantha Tracks" - Issue #14, page 2, which I have lying around in storage somewhere. Man, I miss that newsletter, but Starwars.com is posting them all again, so head over there if you're not familiar with the old fan club.

The second image below was found on the great Propstore of London website, hence the watermarks. It has some different scene numbers and stuff so there's not much to link it to this particular scene, however it's a pretty big coincidence if you ask me. This looks like it takes place right after the first storyboard. It even names Hobbie as the rebel pilot.

On June 20, 2001, Starwars.com added the following to the facts we know for sure:

In the original script of The Empire Strikes Back, Veers perished when his walker was rammed by a snowspeeder. The scene never made it into the final film, and as such, Veers' life was spared. He appeared in early draft scripts of Return of the Jedi, though his character does not return in that film. Producer Robert Watts, who had a cameo appearance as an AT-ST pilot in Jedi, has once said that his character was actually General Veers, but it seems doubtful that Veers would have such a demotion to a simple pilot.

I'm also including a picture of Hobbie from the Starwars.com for good measure. This shot wasn't in the film and he's relevant to this scene, so why not.

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Another thing that's been brought up in discussion with fellow fans is the AT-AT whose head explodes in the film. This is the one that Luke allegedly takes down by tossing a grenade into its belly. Why the head would explode from a grenade in the gut is beyond me. Was that shot of the walker's head exploding originally intended to be Veers' walker or did they just take the "exploding head" idea from the early draft and incorporate it into the film? I have not seen any other stills from this scene so I can't be sure if it was actually filmed or not. The scene is in the novelization, however.

While we're talking about the AT-AT Luke destroyed, we might as well note that in the 4th draft, the walker in question wasn't supposed to topple over as it does in the film, but instead just stand there. Check out this 4th draft excerpt:

EXT BATTLEFIELD - HOTH
3/4 REAR LOW ANGLE SHOT of the giant Walker No. 2. It stops in mid-step. A muffled explosion is heard, then the insides of the giant walker come blasting out every conceivable opening. It sits dead in its tracks, smoking like a locomotive.

EXT BATTLEFIELD - HOTH
LOW ANGLE MEDIUM SHOT of Walker No. 1 as it advances at camera, going slightly right to left. The smoldering walker that Luke just blasted stands dead in its tracks in the background.

Dear Adywan

(Sorry, but I don’t speak English very well….because I am from Hungary)

First I want to say…I respect what you did about The EPIV revisited, and your version is THE ULTIMATE EDITON for me. I like your color corrections and most of all the new scenes. I like all what you did, because I think you have the ability to sense what is right (what work well) and what isn’t .

I know, all the people on this forum has an own idea about the movies. All the people has the own idea about the necessary things what must change. More spec. effect, more explosions, more creatures, more more and more things what came from the fans imaginations.  

I think there is only one single rule, one single way what a man like you must follow. The color correction is a must thing, and what you did is simple exelent. But there is something else, something most important what a fan must follow…the essential of all the RIGHT changes is the ORIGINAL IDEA and the SCRIPTS.

Please let me to explain this what I mean.

The fans desire is one thing, more spec. effect, more creature more ect. As you already know how many different opinions is there. But there is a simple different if a single fan wants to see more space craft or more creature OR YOU read the early scripts, know the cut scenes and try to follow the original IDEA.

STRONG EXAMPLE:

All fan want a little or much bigger Hoth battle. It’s of course quiet natural because the prequels. But if you just simple joint some kind of extra T47 crafts into the battle…..that is NOT GOOD….BUT if you do that like it was in the early scripts or the cut scene….THAT IS RIGTH.

In the early drafts it is a real cut scene….General Veers died in the battle of Hoth because a T47 fly into his AT-AT and destroyed the machine’s head. If you try to restored that scene somehow, it will be absolutely hilarious. Not just a simple and meaningless extended spec. effect…but a faithful follow about the essential of the early drafts.  If you do that or something similar, please do not forget the first rule….faith to the resource is all above.

I know me English knowledge is not to good, but I really hope so, you can understand what I want to tell you.

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Revisited fan from Hungary J

Dear Adywan!

I must say…this IS THE ULTIMATE EDITION for me. It is so great, I really hope so, one day all the Star Wars fans around the world will be pleased for this great EDITION what makes the New Hope even better than it was in 1977. And the name ADYWAN never be forgotten…because you are such a great and talented man.

ADYWAN, I respect to you and your amazing job!