Zachary VIII

I’d like a PM

I like both.

I would like for more media depicting the guerrilla aspect of the Rebels. The Jedda city skirmish in Rogue One was a pretty good example.

I’m still hoping that Sheev isn’t overused in TRoS and remains as just a Force ghost or holocron. This whole Sith trooper thing is concerning. Hopefully they’re just a First Order/Knights of Ren faction.

My worst case scenario for 9 is that it’s revealed that everything leading up to it was some master plan by Palpatine to create a new Sith Empire or something. Evil Sith master plans have been used too much. I want to see Kylo as a conflicted villain that’s struggling to hold the First Order together.

Can maybe take some of the council scenes and re-contextualize them. The problem with that is that it means they can’t be used in their original form.

Very interesting. How closely will the timeline of this cinematic universe follow the canon timeline of TCW?

DigMod said:

Sorry for going dark. Real life picked up fierce this past few months. Good news. I bought the Blu ray to upgrade my iTunes source. Bad news, the files are out of sync with the project file. Presently going through every cut to match the scenes. While it’s a headache, it will ultimately strengthen the cuts, hopefully.

Keep up the good work and take all the time you need to make a good finished product.

nl0428 said:

I do hope that Palpatine’s return is written really well for people to accept his return and role in The Rise of Skywalker. As someone who generally does not like fan service, I do trust Lucasfilm with what they’ve been doing with the sequel trilogy.

I think the significance of Palpatine is greatly overstated. It’s possible that he’s just be part of a Sith artifact macguffin that’s in the Death Star wreckage.

Looks good. Hopefully it finds a middle ground between 7 and 8 so everyone’s happy.

nl0428 said:

Zachary VIII said:

nl0428 said:

I can’t wait for the first trailer and title to drop next Friday!

What if it’s next Thursday? Or next Saturday? Friday seems oddly specific, unless you know something.

The Episode IX panel is on Friday at Celebration this year.

Ok. Can’t wait!

nl0428 said:

I can’t wait for the first trailer and title to drop next Friday!

What if it’s next Thursday? Or next Saturday? Friday seems oddly specific, unless you know something.

DominicCobb said:

Zachary VIII said:

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

Valheru_84 said:

^ I actually thought “fair enough” in the ranking and comments on the prequels, thinking you’d grown up with them and are one of the few prequel lovers on here brave enough to tell it from their perspective. But as soon as I saw the ANH ranking and first sentence I knew it was an AF joke 😉

This has spawned some non-joking discussion
I did grow up with the Prequels, with ROTS having a significant influence on me. I do enjoy the overall story of these films, but the acting, set design, and pacing kills it for me. As an adult, I can barely take some of the choices (I don’t like sand) as serious. Yet I enjoy the era. The PT books / shows / games have always been my favorite. Not that I’ve ever disliked the OT era- I’ve just always viewed the characters, planets, and conflicts of the prequels more interested.

So much era ranking would be:

1. PT
2. OT
3. ST

While my actual film ranking is the April Fools one in reverse.

If there are any interesting stories that take place in that era before the battle of Geonosis, I’m not aware of them.

Quite a few of the Age of the Republic one-shot comics take place either before TPM, or between TPM and AotC. There’s also the Anakin and Obi-Wan comic series, which I would consider one of the better canon comics, though the aesthetics are very non Star Wars (which can be a plus or minus) and the ending’s fairly rushed. As for novels, a new book about Count Dooku that’s set before AotC is coming out pretty soon.

I’m definitely curious the quality of the “Age of” stuff. They’re basically a collection of one shots, yes? Could be good but I don’t know.

I’ve been wondering if Anakin & Obi-wan is any good. That section of the canon is really ripe for stories about Anakin specifically. He’s so different in AOTC vs. TPM and I never really found anything that bridged that gap in the old EU. Rogue Planet was okay, I started Jedi Trial but wasn’t into it. Honestly one of the better things I read in that regard was back in the day I had a middle grade book called Jedi Quest that actually did try to find Anakin right in between the two films to decent success.

On the whole it’s sort of an uneventful time period. It’s cool that they’re finally doing something with Dooku because that’s another massive gap in the canon. From the old EU the Darth Plageius touched on Dooku a bit, and was also set entirely pre-AOTC (and is actually a pretty good book in general, though definitely very un-Star Warsy in many respects).

In general it seems like they’re starting to do more in the new canon with PT stuff (including and perhaps especially pre-AOTC - there’s Queen’s Shadow and Master and Apprentice as well), and it’s also fair to assume we’ll see more and more from the ST and also the post-OT, pre-ST time period which is a fascinating era itself.

The I haven’t read any Age of the Rebellion, but the Age of the Republic series is hit or miss. From what I’ve read I think the stories actually decrease in quality as they get closer to Episode 3, the ones before before Episode 2 can do their own thing while the ones after conform to the typical Clone Wars formula.

Anakin and Obi-Wan is good, Anakin’s character is definitely closer to how it is in Episode 2. I’d say the best part are the flashbacks, where Sheev interacts with Anakin.

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

Valheru_84 said:

^ I actually thought “fair enough” in the ranking and comments on the prequels, thinking you’d grown up with them and are one of the few prequel lovers on here brave enough to tell it from their perspective. But as soon as I saw the ANH ranking and first sentence I knew it was an AF joke 😉

This has spawned some non-joking discussion
I did grow up with the Prequels, with ROTS having a significant influence on me. I do enjoy the overall story of these films, but the acting, set design, and pacing kills it for me. As an adult, I can barely take some of the choices (I don’t like sand) as serious. Yet I enjoy the era. The PT books / shows / games have always been my favorite. Not that I’ve ever disliked the OT era- I’ve just always viewed the characters, planets, and conflicts of the prequels more interested.

So much era ranking would be:

1. PT
2. OT
3. ST

While my actual film ranking is the April Fools one in reverse.

If there are any interesting stories that take place in that era before the battle of Geonosis, I’m not aware of them.

Quite a few of the Age of the Republic one-shot comics take place either before TPM, or between TPM and AotC. There’s also the Anakin and Obi-Wan comic series, which I would consider one of the better canon comics, though the aesthetics are very non Star Wars (which can be a plus or minus) and the ending’s fairly rushed. As for novels, a new book about Count Dooku that’s set before AotC is coming out pretty soon.

Pickle2503 said:

What do you guys think about them announcing episode 10, 11, and 12 today?

I’m interested in how they’re going to make a crossover between the Canon and Legends universes.

DrDre said:

Zachary VIII said:

DrDre said:

Zachary VIII said:

DrDre said:

screams in the void said:

the whole thing of using the term social justice warrior as a pejorative when talking about super heroes is just plain stupid …of course they are social justice warriors …that is the whole damn point of them !

Well like the term Mary Sue, the term SJW has a different connotation now. I’ll quote wiki:

The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction, and engaging in disingenuous arguments.

A large part of the criticism of SJW’s is not in the goals that are pursued, but how these goals are pursued.

Yeah, I’m sure if you asked the average person who uses SJW pejoratively they would say “I agree with their goals, but not their methods” and not something like “They’re undermining masculinity and western civilization with their cultural marxist agenda”. Ever since people like Sargon started talking about them in 2014-2015, SJWs have been this nebulous boogieman that can encompass anyone and anything on the left.

Yes, and alt-right has been this nebulous boogieman that can encompass anyone and anything on the right. What’s your point? Left or right it generally involves those with a lack of respect for those with different perspectives.

Show me a video of some purple haired tumblrina killing 50 people in cold blood. Then we can talk about how both sides are just as bad. One side has done a very tangible harm to society, and the other has, what, made some overzealous blog posts. Throw all the complaints about Antifa you want, it doesn’t change the fact that their opponents stated goals are the discrimination, deportation, or deaths of millions of people.

Never heard of the Rote Armee Fraction, I see. For every Hitler, there is a Stalin, and for every Pinochet, a Kim Il Un, or a Castro. Extremism does not discriminate. Genocide has occured in the name of many socalled ideals, whether they be considered left or right.

You can point out any number of cold war atrocities on either side. That’s not the point, the point is that today, in the here and now, one side is committing a disproportionate amount of harm, and is a far greater threat than the other. If some Naxalite wannabes start killing people and gain a sizable amount of online clout and sympathy. I’ll be concerned. But so far, all I’ve seen is hostile action on the right and defensive measures on the left. Remember, this entire culture war thing started with some game journalists started getting death threats. And now, for the past couple of years, that online bullshit has started seeping into the real world.

DrDre said:

Zachary VIII said:

DrDre said:

screams in the void said:

the whole thing of using the term social justice warrior as a pejorative when talking about super heroes is just plain stupid …of course they are social justice warriors …that is the whole damn point of them !

Well like the term Mary Sue, the term SJW has a different connotation now. I’ll quote wiki:

The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction, and engaging in disingenuous arguments.

A large part of the criticism of SJW’s is not in the goals that are pursued, but how these goals are pursued.

Yeah, I’m sure if you asked the average person who uses SJW pejoratively they would say “I agree with their goals, but not their methods” and not something like “They’re undermining masculinity and western civilization with their cultural marxist agenda”. Ever since people like Sargon started talking about them in 2014-2015, SJWs have been this nebulous boogieman that can encompass anyone and anything on the left.

Yes, and alt-right has been this nebulous boogieman that can encompass anyone and anything on the right. What’s your point? Left or right it generally involves those with a lack of respect for those with different perspectives.

Show me a video of some purple haired tumblrina killing 50 people in cold blood. Then we can talk about how both sides are just as bad. One side has done a very tangible harm to society, and the other has, what, made some overzealous blog posts. Throw all the complaints about Antifa you want, it doesn’t change the fact that their opponents stated goals are the discrimination, deportation, or deaths of millions of people.

DrDre said:

screams in the void said:

the whole thing of using the term social justice warrior as a pejorative when talking about super heroes is just plain stupid …of course they are social justice warriors …that is the whole damn point of them !

Well like the term Mary Sue, the term SJW has a different connotation now. I’ll quote wiki:

The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction, and engaging in disingenuous arguments.

A large part of the criticism of SJW’s is not in the goals that are pursued, but how these goals are pursued.

Yeah, I’m sure if you asked the average person who uses SJW pejoratively they would say “I agree with their goals, but not their methods” and not something like “They’re undermining masculinity and western civilization with their cultural marxist agenda”. Ever since people like Sargon started talking about them in 2014-2015, SJWs have been this nebulous boogieman that can encompass anyone and anything on the left.

OutboundFlight said:

At the same time we should remember not everyone who opposes the term “SJW” are sexist. For example, I think Rey is a Mary Sue but not Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel.

I’m gonna be suspicious of anyone who unironically uses the term “SJW” in 2019.

StarkillerAG said:

A higher quality version of the poster:

I just realized that Threepio also has Rey’s staff. How a droid with no arm mobility could use it is beyond me.

So I’m thinking that Threepio isn’t actually using any of the weapons. He’s either carrying or delivering them to Rey and Chewie. Maybe they’re being pinned down by stormtrooper fire and it’s up to poor Threepio to shuffle across the battlefield and give them their weapons so they can fight back. It would be a pretty amusing scene, but I’m not sure why it’s so important as to be on the poster.

DominicCobb said:

Zachary VIII said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Zachary VIII said:

That TIE Interceptor with two triangular wings bugs me. It looks cool, but it has even less visibility than the standard TIE fighter which already has bad visibility.

Agree with this, too.

Fortunately for me, this is something I literally never considered about TIE fighters and I don’t think I’ll start caring about that sort of thing any time soon.

Good for you.

I mean it’s a movie. It’s fantasy, why should something like that matter? You could pick any number of logic holes in ship designs or whatever if you wanted to. The series has never cared about that sort of thing.

Fair enough. I just think the ship designs are one of the more grounded elements where you can talk about their effectiveness and compare their roles. That’s why there’s a bunch of visual encyclopedias with specs and internal diagrams for the spaceships.

I like the contrast with TLJ’s poster. That poster had a black background, while this one has a white one. Maybe that symbolizes that this will be more upbeat than TLJ. Looks like none of the Knights of Ren will have lightsabers, which might be good if you don’t want them to be a generic Sith/Inquisitor rip off.

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Zachary VIII said:

That TIE Interceptor with two triangular wings bugs me. It looks cool, but it has even less visibility than the standard TIE fighter which already has bad visibility.

Agree with this, too.

Fortunately for me, this is something I literally never considered about TIE fighters and I don’t think I’ll start caring about that sort of thing any time soon.

Good for you.

That TIE Interceptor with two triangular wings bugs me. It looks cool, but it has even less visibility than the standard TIE fighter which already has bad visibility.

DrDre said:

Zachary VIII said:

Has anyone else had a near 180 switch on their opinions of this movie? For about the first 9 months after TLJ came out I hated everything about it and thought it was the worst Star Wars movie since AotC. But, after re-watching the it and coming to appreciate the themes more than the action, my opinions softened a good deal.
I still have issues with the pacing and comedy, but I really like the direction with Luke and how he wasn’t just a fanservicey power fantasy that overshadowed everyone and saved the day singlehandedly. I think it’s a pretty decent Star Wars film, and it greatly annoys me how every comments section of any video relating to the ST inevitability has a million dweebs repeating the same nitpicky shallow complaints and whining about how Disney ruined Star Wars.

Seems a bit of an odd stance to admit you hated the movie for nine months, a rather extreme stance, and now that you personally changed your mind, stating the side of the fence you once belonged to consists of dweebs repeating the same nitpicky shallow complaints and whining about how Disney ruined Star Wars. I don’t think most of the Disney movies are very good, and I have my reasons for it, but I don’t hate them, and never did, nor would I call anyone a dweeb for expressing an opinion, whether in favour or against any of the movies.

You’re right. My choice of words was harsh. It’s just the amount of extreme negativity that floods much of the discussion around the Disney films is really exhausting. I don’t dislike people simply for not liking any of the films. And I think there are many valid criticisms. But I’ve seen so much hate directed, not only at the film and characters, but at the directors, actors and producers, that I don’t really have a high opinion of the people with those attitudes.

Has anyone else had a near 180 switch on their opinions of this movie? For about the first 9 months after TLJ came out I hated everything about it and thought it was the worst Star Wars movie since AotC. But, after re-watching the it and coming to appreciate the themes more than the action, my opinions softened a good deal.
I still have issues with the pacing and comedy, but I really like the direction with Luke and how he wasn’t just a fanservicey power fantasy that overshadowed everyone and saved the day singlehandedly. I think it’s a pretty decent Star Wars film, and it greatly annoys me how every comments section of any video relating to the ST inevitability has a million dweebs repeating the same nitpicky shallow complaints and whining about how Disney ruined Star Wars.

I think the difference in exterior ship design is ok. The Naboo royal ship is a yacht for the queen of a pretty wealthy planet, so of course it’s going to look flashy. And the Naboo fighters are probably not that great on a tech level, because they’re part of a planetary defense force. So they didn’t see much action. likely they mainly exist to be shown off, so they were made to look sleek and futuristic.
In the OT, you have a faction that’s basically keeping its old ships together with duct tape fighting a faction that employs very utilitarian and brutalist aesthetics for their ships. So there’s no room for sleek designs. I still think internal stuff like the Separatist ships having touch screens is dumb though.