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#320579
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Song Of The South
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Better subs? No subs? Either/or, really. It'll still be a terrific DVD. We all support your work on this.
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#319872
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The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations
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I want to be the first to thank you for this project. I saw the movie as a teen, and got to play the Beast two years ago, so for someone to do this is just incredible. I will have to seek this out when it's done.
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#317289
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Emmet Otter's Jugband Christmas (Complete) - NOW AVAILABLE!
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This edit is done, copies have been sent to ten people yesterday, and hopefully, it will further make the rounds in the coming weeks. (The release date below is when I made my first finished copy, and is not incorrect nor a joke. It just took me a while to get more copies out there.)


EMMET OTTER'S JUGBAND CHRISTMAS
The 30th Anniversary Edit (1977-2007)
a fan edit by Philfrog
released 1 April 2008

Philfrog is proud to present this classic Jim Henson TV special in its most complete form ever, using all of the bits unique to each of the two officially-released edits (and all the different releases and recuts of each one). As a bonus, one scene has been cleverly extended to include the complete "Bathing Suit" song, with verses previously unused in the two official versions of this special. With every line, lyric, and Kermit the Frog segment intact, this is "Emmet Otter" as it deserves to be seen for generations to come.

This edit uses the following two versions of the "Emmet Otter" TV special:

1) "HBO" version - Version One, released (with some minor cuts) on VHS
-longer Gretchen Fox segment ("fall off the dock")
-longer Washtub song intro ("I'm rowin'...where's the singin'?")
-four Kermit appearances (two visual, two audio)
-extra talent show dialog ("we're off to a shaky start")
2) "ABC" version - Version Two, released on VHS and DVD
-one Kermit appearance only (cut from the most recent DVD)
-longer Washtub song ("lunch with the upper crust" verse)
-dancing rabbits at the talent show
-longer reprise of River Meets The Sea song

The following sources (mainly 1, 4, and 5) were used:

1) Muppet Video VHS - HBO version (has edits to shorten black between fades)
2) Jim Henson Home Video VHS - ABC version, complete (has unique opening logo)
3) Columbia-Tristar VHS - ABC version, complete, with original audio mix
4) Columbia-Tristar DVD - ABC version, complete, but with faux stereo audio
5) Hit Entertainment DVD - ABC version, without Kermit's intro
-also includes non-Kermit HBO-only bits in Deleted Scenes section, plus Making-Of featurette
6) Three VHS recordings (including my own) of the HBO version (used for reference only)

The edits appear in the following order:

0) Disclaimer and Philfrog logo.
1) Jim Henson Productions logo from Jim Henson Home Video VHS release. Lowered contrast, added click removal.
2) The Kermit intro, using video from Columbia-Tristar DVD, audio from Columbia-Tristar VHS. For some reason, the CTS DVD is in faux stereo (2.0 and 5.1), so I had to use the CTS VHS for the audio.
3) Opening credits. Except where noted, the majority of this edit uses video from Columbia-Tristar DVD, but audio from the Hit Entertainment DVD. Between the two DVD's, the video quality is dead even, but the Hit DVD audio is better because of the CTS DVD's faux stereo.
4) The extended Bathing Suit song segment. Audio edits: Some opening audio from the Hit DVD (not present on the Muppet Video VHS because of a weird edit), then Kermit's narration from the Muppet Video VHS (hiss reduced), then back to the Hit DVD audio, then audio from the Hit DVD's Making-Of featurette (mainly for the song's missing verses), and ending with the regular Hit DVD audio. Video from the CTS DVD is used, with earlier and later portions of video carefully repeated to allow for the previously missing verses of the song.
5) The Gretchen Fox scene. Mainly sourced from the Hit DVD's Deleted Scenes section, with video reshifted to match the main feature, and bits from the CTS DVD flown in to upgrade shots that are complete in both sources. (Notice Gretchen Fox's roof as Ma and Emmet row up to her dock. It looks like that on all sources of the HBO version.)
6) Will Possum segment. First shot sourced from Muppet Video VHS (saturation raised), since neither DVD contains the entire (HBO version) shot. Audio switches from Hit DVD Deleted Scenes to Hit DVD main feature.
7) Emmet and Ma meet the Riverbottom gang. Video from CTS DVD, audio from Hit DVD.
8) The Washtub song. Two shots of HBO-only dialogue (and part of the song) sourced from Hit DVD Deleted Scenes audio, with Muppet Video VHS visuals (saturation raised). (The Muppet VHS is used because Hit's source tape has some ugly lines, easily noticeable across Ma/Alice's face.) Second shot reshifted to match main feature.
9) Winter comes to Frogtown Hollow. Kermit's narration inserted from Muppet Video VHS (hiss reduced).
10) Nearly twenty minutes of CTS DVD video, with Hit DVD audio.
11) Will Possum's "shaky start" comment. Sourced from the Hit DVD Deleted Scenes section, with video reshifted to match the main feature, and audio reshifted because the sync (just for this portion) was off on the Hit DVD.
12) The ABC-only shots of Will closing the curtain, followed by the dancing rabbits. On the original HBO version, he already closed the curtain (followed by the HBO-only bit above). But, because of the HBO fade to black, I could fade in on the ABC-only curtain close, giving a "welcome back, here's what just happened" appearance to counteract any curtain-related redundancy.
13) Over fifteen minutes of CTS DVD video, with Hit DVD audio.
14) Ma and the Jug-Band perform at Doc Bullfrog's, followed by Kermit's HBO-only outro. Video, then audio, switch to Muppet Video VHS (saturation raised, hiss reduced). CTS DVD black added to replicate the original black video between this and the next segment (which the Muppet VHS cuts out).
15) Ma and the boys walk home. Starts with dialogue and video (with original fade-in) from Muppet Video VHS (video reshifted, saturation raised, hiss reduced), then to the CTS DVD video and Hit DVD audio for the River Meets The Sea reprise.
16) Original end credits with "Henson Associates" copyright text. Hit DVD audio, with one shot from the CTS DVD, and the other from the Muppet Video VHS (saturation raised, video reshifted).
17) Jim Henson Television logo (after some black) from end of the CTS DVD. (Other Henson and Hit logos have been left unused, and can be found on the Hit DVD edit of the ABC version.)
18) Philfrog logo.

Total Running Time: 53 minutes, 16 seconds

Technical Info:

DVD footage was captured instead of ripped. (I simply don't have a good ripping program at this time.) Despite removing the macrovision from the CTS DVD, it (and every DVD I captured using the DV500) still captured brighter than it should have (though without the ridiculous white levels caused by macrovision). To restore the correct levels, I manually brought down the brightness. This helped to mask compression artifacts present during black screen moments in the footage (created by the bright capture). Depending on your set's contrast levels, the artifacts may still be visible. Apologies in advance.

Some shots, when viewed on a computer screen window, will have slightly bigger (than usual) black bars at the edges. This is due to different sources of "Emmet" being framed differently, causing me to reshift the picture (usually to the left, and up a bit) on these sources, so I could match footage from each version seamlessly. The majority of my video cuts are new dissolves (as opposed to straight cuts) over the original between-shot dissolves, so picture shifting to match sources was absolutely necessary.

I have also made a straight (no menu, chapter breaks every three minutes) DVD transfer of the Muppet Video VHS release (a slight edit of the HBO version). If you're dissatisfied with the quality of my edit for any reason, you can use this as a source for your own. (Or you can track down the laserdisc release on the same label.)

If you want bonus features, please purchase the official Hit Entertainment DVD, which has outtakes, a lost song, behind-the-scenes featurette, and more. While you're at it, check out the original book, too.

Some more information about this edit:

1) Edited with Adobe Premiere (w/DV500), Audition, and Photoshop.
2) DVD mastered with Ulead DVD Movie Factory.
3) Black laid over visual "noise" at bottom (and side) of VHS sources.
4) Planned three years ago, but canceled due to hard drive crash.
5) Resumed in late 2007 with superior video sources.
6) Release delayed by two months to include more upgraded footage.
7) Extended segment of Bathing Suit song unique to this edit.
8) Original trailer (as posted online) included.
9) Not For Sale. If you get this, please buy the official Hit DVD.

Enjoy!

-Philfrog

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#317266
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Emmet Otter's Jugband Christmas (Complete) - NOW AVAILABLE!
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I just sent out ten sets of the Emmet Otter edit (with bonus disc of the HBO version Muppet Video release). I have one or two more sets to send out, but to those of you who initially requested it, the discs are coming. I hope to post a full quality scan of the cover somewhere, but don't know where yet.
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#315049
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Emmet Otter's Jugband Christmas (Complete) - NOW AVAILABLE!
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Who needs an April Fools joke, when you can have a Christmas present?

In all sincerity, it is done. Late last night. I am very happy with it.

I made one disc with the edit (and trailer), and a no-frills one of the Muppet Video VHS.

Whether you have or you haven't, PM's are good. See you soon. :-)
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#314238
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Emmet Otter's Jugband Christmas (Complete) - NOW AVAILABLE!
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I'd love to see it, actually. My first complete HBO version was my own HBO taping, with Columbia Tristar VHS (ABC version) footage replacing missing footage (about 5 seconds total) at the beginning and end. My next HBO-only version would be a hybrid of the Muppet Video VHS release, with some other source used to fill in some minor edits (mainly to fades) that appear on that release (which is, by the way, the only official release of the HBO version).

Of course, the version I'm doing is a hybrid of the HBO and ABC versions, plus the complete version of the Bathing Suit song. I'd love to see what you think of it.

As far as my edit goes, I brought down the brightness just enough to restore the black levels. Yancy Woodchuck no longer looks like he has little square flies buzzing all around him. By doing this (and adjusting the color rather than brightness on the VHS material), the different sources match up better than before. This may be as close to perfect as I can possibly get. I'll lose my mind if I can't have this done soon.
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#314135
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Emmet Otter's Jugband Christmas (Complete) - NOW AVAILABLE!
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Augh...a new problem.

I finally watched the latest version on my home TV, and have come to the conclusion that even after eliminating the macrovision from the Columbia-Tristar DVD, it still captured a bit brighter than it actually should be. The only way I can tell this is by looking at the black screens between the fades. Not only is it brighter than what Premiere considers standard black, but it reveals digital blocks that you wouldn't see when watching the actual C/TS DVD. Remembering the bad reception that this kind of problem created for OCP's Star Wars Episode IV Classic Edition version 2.0, I have no choice but to re-edit, yet again, and make a new (third) image file of this edit, hoping that I can accurately recreate the black levels.

I. Am not. Happy.
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#314048
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Emmet Otter's Jugband Christmas (Complete) - NOW AVAILABLE!
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What I believe is the final disc image file is processing overnight as we speak. The mistakes I noticed on the first master allowed for me to correct and revisit even more bits and pieces, making for a much better presentation. I will review the finished disc sometime this week, after which I hope to consider it finished. Full cover art will follow as well, plus detailed text on what I did to make this finally complete.
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#313971
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Emmet Otter's Jugband Christmas (Complete) - NOW AVAILABLE!
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A disc image was put together for this, but I still need to tweak a few things (mainly covering the visual noise commonly found at the very bottom of VHS-sourced material...turns out I missed a few spots). I may have someone look at my V1 before I finish the final master.
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#313312
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The Muppet Christmas Carol
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Is anyone still willing to do an anamorphic widescreen transfer of the complete LD version (if the LD indeed has When Love Is Gone in widescreen)? I could offer the OOP behind-the-scenes special (left off of the recent US DVD release) as a bonus feature.
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#313191
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The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations
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I myself would be interested in any such preservations of the "fab four" (Mermaid, Beast, Aladdin, and Lion)...especially a correct aspect ratio for Beast. I want the movie as I remember it, and I support all of your work on these projects.
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#313184
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Emmet Otter's Jugband Christmas (Complete) - NOW AVAILABLE!
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To steer this thread back to "Emmet Otter", I'd like to announce that after four months of on-and-off editing, plus constant upgrading of source material, this edit is done but for bonus features, menus, and disc mastering (which could take another week or two, but...).

TRAILER
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PpTQp-OTADU

CLIP
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jj0GUm3T6OU

COVER (PREVIEW)
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k64/dasjr/Toyland/EmmetOttercopy.jpg

I will let you all know when it's finally done.
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#283069
Topic
Rocky Horror Picture Show!
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Yeah, if I were to reintegrate Once in a While, I'd try to replace the montage they used to cover the missing first verse (even if just with another montage). My problem with that official montage is that at one point, it crossfades during a solid cut in one of the clips...a definite editing no-no. Yuck.
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#280588
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How do you rip DVDs?
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Hi! I have mastered using DVD Decrypter and/or Slysoft AnyDVD, but now I'm having trouble making a quality DVD file for editing on Adobe Premiere. When I use AoA DVD Ripper to rip a DVD file as a large "Pinnacle DV" file, I have to deinterlace it so it doesn't look jittery, and either way, the Pinnacle AVI is a mere shell of its original DVD quality, in terms of sharpness and color. Is there any way I can fix this with AoA, or is there a better program for making an AVI that I can edit with Premiere (my only choice for an editing platform at the moment). Any thoughts, folks?
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#270064
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//RETURNING TO JEDI\\: NTSC & PAL DVD
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I promised myself I'd start going to bed before 2am, but finally getting all of Returning to Jedi made be break that rule. I had to see it. Gorgeous! The deleted scene reconstructions and placement of behind the scenes footage was fantastic. With my standard-size TV set, I could see some interview video creeping in at the very, very (VERY) top and bottom of the screen (just before the bit about the Emperor's painted-over makeup mistakes), but that was the only thing that I noticed as odd (It'll give you something to fix for the Deluxe Gold Triple Super Special Redundant Edition). I'd say this is on par with the previous volumes, and reminds me just how much I really love the original trilogy, especially this one, as it came out during the peak of my kid years (I was very little when the first two came out). Thank you so much for this, Jambe, as it really was worth the wait.
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#269499
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//RETURNING TO JEDI\\: NTSC & PAL DVD
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All I would do with Deleted Magic is limited to some fixes here and there (shorten the pre-movie intro, delete the repeated bit before C3P0's bath, delete a black frame or two, etc), but nothing huge...unless you want to make it widescreen like the other two volumes. It's your call, but I'd say no rush. I can't wait to see Returning to Jedi, and neither can my friends.
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#268879
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//RETURNING TO JEDI\\: NTSC & PAL DVD
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Originally posted by: Johnboy3434
Wow. This is amazing! The saga is almost complete:

Deleted Magic
Building Empire
Returning to Jedi

The Sith Revealed (whenever someone finally decides to torrent it; any takers?)
The Clones Revealed

How oddly... appropriate... that Episode I is left for last.

If I did one for Episode I, I'd probably sneak in some audio from the Mike Nelson's Rifftrax version. You know, just to make a point.

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#266462
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//RETURNING TO JEDI\\: NTSC & PAL DVD
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I look forward to the possibility a single layer version of this being torrented, as I'm sure the quality (as with OCP's DM and JD's BE, both single-layer) will still be terrific.
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#265497
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"Deleted Magic" for the LOTR trilogy?
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I don't know if the rarity of the footage is what makes Deleted Magic so fun. It's enjoyable because you can see all this making-of footage in a more entertaining way: integrated into the film as a running commentary.
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#265496
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The Muppet Christmas Carol
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I too would love to see the When Love is Gone scene in widescreen. I'd also like to see the more recent NBC Very Muppet Christmas Movie in widescreen as well, which I guess was only released outside the US. And, of course, anything else Muppet and Christmas that has been mercilessly edited or left unreleased.
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#258835
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut
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Can we say definitively if Disney has the legal right to restore this movie, or does Miramax own too much of it for such efforts (if they're indeed still being made) feasible? And would we consider this new Miramax "pop-up" DVD a mere cash-in, or a subtle form of artistic sabotage?
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