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#1030047
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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ATMachine said:

The shot of Jyn in front of the lights was pretty obviously a glamour shot.

Was it, though? Just before she and Cassian get into the archive room, there is a short segment of Kay instructing them on how to bypass the security that really feels like it was originally a part of a much longer sequence, that got cut. That scene would take place in the very same hallway we see in the trailer shot.

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#1027159
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The Random EU Thoughts Thread
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ZkinandBonez said:

I personally really like Dark Empire, and the fact that it didn’t really acknowledge Zahn’s books outside of the crawl is fine with me. More time spent making an interesting and different story, rather than spend too much time trying to connect everything.

I used to like Dark Empire as well. It did feel like jumping the shark at several points, but it had a very nice pulp comic feel. I also have to admit I am not a huge fan of Zahn. Always felt like his stories were really smart, but ultimately not that exciting.

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#1027146
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The Random EU Thoughts Thread
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IIRC, the whole point of that part in the book where they talk about the reborn Emperor was to suggest that maybe it wasn’t really Palpatine but an imposter. Apparently Zahn really hated the plot of Dark Empire. 😃

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#1027137
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The Random EU Thoughts Thread
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The cross-referencing was very common in the old EU. Some of it was even requested by Lucasfilm. And some of it were just retcons. The Thrawn trilogy didn’t have those references, simply because it was one of the first things written.

Actually, if I remember correctly, Dark Empire was originally supposed to deal with the Alliance capturing Coruscant after the defeat of the Empire shortly after the events of ROTJ, but Zahn refused to reference the events that were supposed to happen in Dark Empire in his then incomplete trilogy, so Dark Empire’s events were instead moved to after the Thrawn trilogy with the Empire recapturing Coruscant for a short while (which was of course incredibly convoluted).

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#1026619
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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Warbler said:

basically it was "how dare they show anything that was in the ot movies. How dare they show R2D2 and C3PO. How dare they have Star Destroyers and tie fighters and x-wings and AT-AT and such. They complained about the Vader costume. They thought the characters were flat. They actually thought it should be more PTish. Stupidest review ever imho.

Thanks! Yeah, I think that point of view is pretty dumb. How dare they do Star Wars things in a Star Wars film, really…

Handman said:

Wexter said:

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Alderaan said:

This video is absolutely hilarious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odj6NHsWe00

They all sound like idiots.


Full disclosure, I really enjoyed the RLM review. It was probably the first time I felt like I was in the room with them.

Can you sum it up for those of us that couldn’t make it past the part where they all make really obnoxious noises?

They didn’t like the characters, and the standalone Star Wars movie wasn’t really a standalone movie. It’s a movie for fans, not for anybody else.

I still don’t quite understand how that warrants three grown men moaning and screaming to no end, but whatever, I guess that’s what the Star Wars fandom is turning into these days.

I think Rogue One is made for the fans. And I think that is great. Who isn’t a Star Wars fan, anyway? The Star Wars franchise is probably the most popular franchise of all time and if Disney can make money while creating some entertaining films in process, then I can’t see anything wrong with that. I am still amazed how well R1 actually turned out despite a lot of things. Folks who wanted it to fundamentaly revolutionize modern cinema are probably right to be let down, but that’s their own damn fault.

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#1026178
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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  1. Star Wars
  2. The Empire Strikes Back
  3. Rogue One
  4. Return of the Jedi / The Force Awakens
  5. The Phantom Menace
  6. Revenge of the Sith
  7. Attack of the Clones
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#1023075
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Recommendations for Legends (old EU) books, comics, etc.
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ZkinandBonez said:

Wexter said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Wexter said:

The X-Wing series is my favourite along with Shadows of the Empire.

Are those books connected to the Rogue Squadron comics in any way? I see that Stackpole was a writer on both.

Also, do you know if these books connect to the Hand of Thrawn books? Wedge appears in a few chapters and he’s accompanied by some other pilots whose names I don’t recognize. One of them has Force abilities. It’s obvious that they originate from some other books, I just don’t know which ones exactly.

Not connected to the comics, IIRC. I think Stackpole and Zahn were friends and they kept referencing each others’ ideas in their works. The characters you refer to indeed come from Stackpole’s books.

Well, in that case the X-Wing series might be a good place to continue after I’ve finished The Hand of Thrawn.

How about Stackpole’s other novels? Are they worth reading?

Gotta say I didn’t finish any of the others, but all of his other Star Wars books are tied closely to other series – I, Jedi to the Jedi Academy Trilogy and the others to the New Jedi Order series.

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#1023059
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Recommendations for Legends (old EU) books, comics, etc.
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ZkinandBonez said:

Wexter said:

The X-Wing series is my favourite along with Shadows of the Empire.

Are those books connected to the Rogue Squadron comics in any way? I see that Stackpole was a writer on both.

Also, do you know if these books connect to the Hand of Thrawn books? Wedge appears in a few chapters and he’s accompanied by some other pilots whose names I don’t recognize. One of them has Force abilities. It’s obvious that they originate from some other books, I just don’t know which ones exactly.

Not connected to the comics, IIRC. I think Stackpole and Zahn were friends and they kept referencing each others’ ideas in their works. The characters you refer to indeed come from Stackpole’s books.

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#908570
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Need someone to clean up the Tosche Station deleted scene
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bishabosha said:

Wexter said:

Also as far as the SE goes, the Jabba scene is an unnecessary addition to say the least, but I think the brief scene of Luke and Biggs reuniting on Yavin is a must. If only we could recover that scene in it’s entirety…

You mean this scene?

Its all there on the bluray, the same quality as TN1’s Silver Screen I’d say

This one is useless. It is a different take to the one used in the SE and it cuts in too late and cuts out too soon to replace the SE take. We do get the missing line from the red leader, but without some serious FX, it still cannot be inserted into the film.

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#908281
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Need someone to clean up the Tosche Station deleted scene
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madcrow said:

I’d personally rather see deleted scenes as extras rather than as part of a supercut. If there’s one thing the SE proved, it’s that deleted scenes get deleted for a reason.

Making a purely extended edition doesn’t make much sense to me, since it would certainly kill the pacing. On the other hand the extra footage can be used to create an alternate cut, omitting some stuff from the official release while adding other material.

Also as far as the SE goes, the Jabba scene is an unnecessary addition to say the least, but I think the brief scene of Luke and Biggs reuniting on Yavin is a must. If only we could recover that scene in it’s entirety…

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#905309
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The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
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Gotcha. I was going to argue that with his parents dead (or presumed dead), the Larses would be the closest thing to a family to Luke anyway, but then I remembered that Padmé’s parents would fit that description much better. 😃 Of course their existence in Lucas cannon is questionable, since they only appear in a deleted scene.

Ugh. Now we need an edit that would make Owen or Beru blood-related to Anakin. 😛

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#905268
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The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
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So you are proposing that the backstory should have gone something like this: Vader conceives two children, but they are both taken away before he learns about their existence – the boy is placed with someone named Skywalker, who wants to raise him as his own, but is soon murdered by Vader. I like it a lot, but it would really strengthen Luke’s motivation to go bad: not only did they blatantly lie to him, they even kidnapped him from his real family.

This would make it a very different story from what we know as Star Wars today. Even though I wouldn’t have gone this route, I fully agree, that ROTJ was the first film that really messed up the whole backstory. If only they had it planned more precisely from the start and didn’t deviate from the plans.

I would like the sequel trilogy (in the form of a good fanedit) to be compatible with the OT, in which case Leia would have to remain Luke’s sister. I still have no idea, why they needed to make them siblings in ROTJ. If they decided to trim the initial plans, they should have just dropped the sister element altogether and it wouldn’t make the slightest of difference for the overall plot.

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#905254
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The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
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It hardly spoils the entire rest of the story. Star Wars is not about “what ever happened to Luke’s father”. If I had to pick between the prequels pretty much as they are, only with the Vader part cleverly edited out, and a genuinely good set of films that “spoil” the fact that Vader is in fact Anakin, I wouldn’t hesitate for a second. If I could have the best of both worlds, then it is also an easy choice. The reveal is still a major moment for Luke, therefore the audience still cares, even if it doesn’t leave quite the same impact on them as it used to in 1980.

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#905202
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Alternative Prequel Ideas
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That is completely in line with my take on Anakin. Except I wouldn’t show him walking through the door, I want that to happen off screen in between the trilogies. 😃

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#904689
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Alternative Prequel Ideas
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NeverarGreat said:
by the end of the OT, Anakin is definitely Obi-wan’s apprentice:
“When I first knew him, your father was already a great pilot, but I was amazed at how strongly the Force was with him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi. I thought that I could instruct him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong.”

‘Train’ and ‘Instruct’ are rather strong words to use about someone you just hang around with.

Perhaps Obi-Wan wanted to train Anakin properly, but Anakin got distracted by other priorities (mainly his love for the future mother of his children) and it didn’t work out. So they part ways amicably and Obi-Wan departs to search for other talented novices, as the final credits roll.

Another issue that needs to be settled: if we dismiss the idea of a centralized Jedi order, what really makes a Force user into a Jedi knight? Perhaps Anakin could be knighted for his services to Alderaan by king Organa shortly after he began learning about the Force. Obi-Wan himself received the very same honour at some earlier point in time. Shortly after that, a conversation such as this one could take place:

  • Very well, Anakin, you are now a Jedi Knight.
  • A Jedi? Hardly. I still have too much to learn.
  • Don’t we all?

This ties in nicely to the OT:
“I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father.” Obi-Wan considered Anakin almost a full-fledged Jedi Knight, while Anakin felt he needed more training to earn the title. Vader’s dialogue further supports this notion: “When I left you, I was but a learner. Now I am the master.” and “The Force is with you young Skywalker. But you are not a Jedi yet.”

On the other hand, Luke seems to be a lot less diligent than his father: “I can be a Jedi. Ben, tell him I’m ready. I’ve learned so much.”

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#904680
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Alternative Prequel Ideas
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NeverarGreat said:

The problem with Obi-wan’s speech is that it’s simple enough without ESB and ROTJ:

Obi-wan had at least two students, one of which was later known as Darth Vader, betraying and murdering Anakin. Simple, effective, and good motivation for Luke to become a Jedi.

Actually, if you go only by the original Star Wars, Luke’s father was never established as Obi-Wan’s student. Only Vader was. Anakin was merely ‘a good friend’. Only after the two characters merged in ESB, Anakin is soft-retconned into being Obi-Wan’s apprentice.

Once again I would like to put forward the idea of dismissing the official master-apprentice relationship altogether. Anakin spends some time with Obi-Wan and is taught about the Force. Does that make him Obi-Wan’s apprentice? Perhaps it does, perhaps it doesn’t. This way when Ben later refers to his apprentice, he may very well be talking about Anakin, or maybe some proper student he gets involved with some time later. It works either way.

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#904637
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Alternative Prequel Ideas
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I kinda like the idea of Obi-Wan’s apprentice (any of them 😃) being disappointed that the Jedi training is in fact quite dull and nowhere near as exciting as he hoped.

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