Warbler

Frank your Majesty said:

Warbler, how would you feel if every time a TV show had a married couple in them, people complained about a “Christian agenda” being shoved down their throats?

1. that would be illogical since not are marriages are Christians. Many different religions include marriage. People of no faith get married.

2. I would have to see the show itself to see if there is indeed a "Christian agenda’ being shoved down throats. I would to see if it is my kind of Christianity(I doubt it would be since I don’t believe in shoving down other peoples’ throats) or someone else’s version.

Wouldn’t you say it’s ridiculous to think that such a big group could have one big overarching agenda?

While different factions within the big group might have differing agendas(again be they good or bad), they are might have some agenda items in common.

And wouldn’t you be annoyed if the most extreme religious zealots were constantly depicted as stereotypes for all of Christianity?

That happens already.

It’s pretty much the same with feminism.

Except if you did it here, you get wisecracks from Frink and criticism from other members. If one complains of the same thing in regards to Christianity, you laughed at by the same people.

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

Perhaps the way I used it maybe. But I do think the term can be used in a way that doesn’t imply that it should be fought against.

It really can’t in this context.

In what context? The context I was using it in? If so, ok. But the wording of Frink’s post implied a problem with the words themselves and not just in the context that I used them.

Remember an agenda isn’t always bad.

Again, context. No one uses phrases like “feminist agenda” or “gay agenda” in any other context than antagonistic toward the group with said “agenda.”

Perhaps it rarely happens, but no one?

If you look in up in a dictionary the word “agenda”, it neither implies negative or positive connotation.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

So, what is wrong with mentioning the words “feminist agenda”? I think we have to agree that whether the agenda is good or bad, right or wrong, Feminists do have agenda. I think even feminists themselves would agree that they have an agenda. So why does using the words “feminist agenda” = “saying stupid shit”?

It’s stupid because you think that having a female lead is the equivalent of having a feminist agenda.

Nope, that is not what I think.

Warbler said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/protester-national-anthem-dallas-urges-fans-vote-republican-221825956.html

As I feared someone else has used the national anthem as a time for protest.

No one cares about this country’s stupid anthem.

Just because you don’t, doesn’t mean nobody does.

https://sports.yahoo.com/protester-national-anthem-dallas-urges-fans-vote-republican-221825956.html

As I feared someone else has used the national anthem as a time for protest.

Perhaps the way I used it maybe. But I do think the term can be used in a way that doesn’t imply that it should be fought against. Remember an agenda isn’t always bad.

I need to think about it. I will say this: too many commercials, way too many commercials. It seemed like every third minute they broke for commercials.

Collipso said:

and here i thought you were going to drop it…

Sorry, curiosity got the better of me. But I did get it out of the Dr. Who thread. I don’t really want a long drawn out debate about the pros and cons of feminism. I certainly don’t want another debate about feminism and Dr. Who. It is just the way Frink stated what he said here:

TV’s Frink said:

Maybe he shouldn’t say stupid shit like “feminist agenda.”

It seemed like he had a problem with the mere use of the words “feminist agenda”. As I said above, I think it is clear that a feminist agenda does exist, be it good or bad. So I am just wondering what is wrong with the mere use of the words.

So, what is wrong with mentioning the words “feminist agenda”? I think we have to agree that whether the agenda is good or bad, right or wrong, Feminists do have agenda. I think even feminists themselves would agree that they have an agenda. So why does using the words “feminist agenda” = “saying stupid shit”?

So, what did everyone think of tonight’s episode?

What do we think of the new inside of the Tardis?

oh.

dahmage said:

Shoot does this mean that we need to create a is Doctor Who sci-fi thread?

I don’t think so. I think this thread will be enough.

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

and the typical Doctor Who formula always seems a little childish to me.

You do realize that it originated as a children’s/family type show, right?

Sure, but that doesn’t mean the series can’t mature with the times, which I’d argue it has.

Sure. But he said “the typical Doctor Who formula always seems a little childish to me.” My point is, that there is a reason for that: the show originated as a children’s show. When a show originates as a children’s show, it should be no surprise that the typical formula for said show would seem a little childish.

dahmage said:

and the typical Doctor Who formula always seems a little childish to me.

You do realize that it originated as a children’s/family type show, right?

TV’s Frink said:

Warb you conveniently left out the part where you complained about feminist agendas…yet again.

Warbler said:

And my worry was about a feminist agenda being shoved in our faces, not just the gender change.

I wasn’t complaining again, I was correcting ChainsawAsh about what my previous worry was.

Anyway, can we drop it now?

suspiciouscoffee said:

Did anyone notice that the Doctor was wearing an earring at the end of the episode? When did she pierce her ear? Did she regenerate with the piercings? Not complaining, just fun to point out little things like that.

I did not notice that. Are you sure her ear was pierced? Aren’t there earrings that work without a hole in the ear?

TV’s Frink said:

Maybe Warbler should stop bringing it up over and over.

All I did was bring up the fact that I was disappointed that the Doctor didn’t have a bigger reaction to discover that he was now female.

Then ChainsawAsh said this:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warb, you were worried that they were going to shove the gender change in your face before

Which was somewhat inaccurate and so I corrected him and said what I was actually worried about.

I don’t see what I did wrong in that. It was not an attempt to bring something up over and over again, it was an attempt to address an inaccuracy. It was not intended to have a full blown discussion on feminism.

Finally, maybe Frink should stop tilting at windmills.

Anchorhead said:

Tobar said:

That was one thing I was glad of. The less they draw attention to it the better.

I was glad of that also. There will be time this new season to address it occasionally if it works with the story, but no need to make it a plot point the way I suspect Moffat would have. Moffat’s not really a less is more guy.

I didn’t mean it should be a plot point.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I too was expecting some sort of reaction. That fan-made series with the woman doctor by Rian Johnson had a nice reaction, where she is saying “something’s not right”, then catches sight of her reflection in a window while walking down the street… “Oh no! it’s all wrong!”

Probably wouldn’t have been a good idea to use the word “wrong”. Some might be offended at the use of “wrong” when finding out one is female.

Possessed said:

I’d like to go on record and say that’s not what I was saying (Although it is true). What I was saying was basically much more specifically said by ashsawchain

You mean this:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warb, you were worried that they were going to shove the gender change in your face before, and now you’re saying they didn’t bring it up enough?

There ish no pleeeeasink you! [/Goldmember voice]

?

DuracellEnergizer said:

Warbler said:

So, you’re saying I shouldn’t look at Frink’s posts??

I’m saying Frink doesn’t budge an inch and gives no quarter, so it’s fruitless to engage him. It’s best to take his comments in stride and continue on your merry way.

ah.

So, you’re saying I shouldn’t look at Frink’s posts??

Possessed said:

Warbler.

What did I do now?

Did I take Frink’s comments too seriously?

I knew you wouldn’t understand.

Anyway, if you wish to say anything on this subject, I suggest the politics thread. (I don’t think the mods want us debating Feministism here).

ChainsawAsh said:

Warb, you were worried that they were going to shove the gender change in your face before, and now you’re saying they didn’t bring it up enough?

There ish no pleeeeasink you! [/Goldmember voice]

I just think the Doctor should have had a bigger reaction to becoming a woman(remember how the 11th Doctor started to react when he thought for a moment that he had regenerated into a female?). And my worry was about a feminist agenda being shoved in our faces, not just the gender change.