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#1120809
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

Frank your Majesty said:

Then there is the closed loop, like in Harry Potter, which makes lots of sense, but allows for some paradoxes and negates free will. Also, alternate timelines can’t exist.

What paradoxes does it create?

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#1120800
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All Things Star Trek
Time

Frank your Majesty said:

I’m not a Star Trek expert, but that is basically how travelling back in time and changing things works in a multiverse without throwing causality out of the window. If the existence of parallel universes is already established and that you can travel to them, why go through the hassle of having to explain a mechanism of how a universe us created by the act of travelling back in time? Where does the energy to create that universe come from?

Other franchises use other time travel mechanisms. Harry Potter And The Prisoner Of Azkaban is one example of how time travel works without parallel universes, while keeping causality and making at least some sense.

I am not sure of your point, but the time travel in Prisoner Of Azkaban works perfectly imho. That is the way it should work.

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#1120798
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All Things Star Trek
Time

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

You demonstrate the problem of time travel in fiction. Skynet sends a terminator back in time to kill Sarah Conner in order to prevent the existence of the guy that will eventually defeat Skynet. But if the terminator were successful, John Conner would never exist and wouldn’t end up defeating Skynet and therefore Skynet would have no reason to send a terminator back in time to kill Sarah Conner.

Right. This is why I prefer T1, because the time travel makes sense - it’s single-timeline, closed-loop, no-paradox travel. Skynet was unaware that it worked like that and hoped they’d change the past rather than cause it to happen.

But it doesn’t make sense. Skynet should have been smart enough to realize that if had succeeded in preventing the John Conner from existing, Skynet would then have no reason to send the Terminator back in time and then John Conner would exist, then he wouldn’t and then he would and then he wouldn’t . . . see the problem? Why didn’t didn’t Skynet?

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#1120792
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

That is not what Nero and Spock appeared to do in Star Trek 2009, at least not to me.

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#1120787
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

You demonstrate the problem of time travel in fiction. Cyberdyne sends a terminator back in time to kill Sarah Conner in order to prevent the existence of the guy that will eventually defeat Cyberdyne. But if the terminator were successful, John Conner would never exist and wouldn’t end up defeating Cyberdyne and therefore Cyberdyne would have no reason to send a terminator back in time to kill Sarah Conner.

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#1120771
Topic
Random Thoughts
Time

I wonder what movie has the widest aspect ratio in cinematic history?

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#1120767
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

DuracellEnergizer said:

Warbler said:

The thing is, it just doesn’t make sense that another universe was created. How would going back in time and changing history create a whole other universe? Sorry not buying it.

Read up on the many-worlds interpretation of quantum physics. Once you do, it’s not too hard to imagine how time travel may create a parallel universe.

hmm, I am not sure. Apparently there is an idea that there multiple parallel universes where all possible alternate histories and futures are real. But time travel creating a parallel universe? I am not sure of that. It just doesn’t make sense to me. Of course, obviously I have very little understanding of quantum physics and whatnot.

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#1120764
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

suspiciouscoffee said:

I thought the current comics were canon, except for things like the Star Trek/Green Lantern crossovers.

I thought only the TV series’ and the movies were canon. But maybe I am in error.

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#1120759
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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CatBus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

To some the Confederate flag is about heritage, not hate. Not saying they are right, but that is how some feel.

The heritage canard gets thrown around for more than just the Confederate flag.

Asked about the pin he was wearing during the interview, Fears said “it’s basically just like an SS thing.” Explaining the significance of the pin would require an extensive conversation about World War II, he said. “And it’s my heritage, I’m German.”

Yup, just heritage. Nothing to see here. The fact that they single out the most racist possible symbols of that heritage is just a coincidence I’m sure. The Nascar folks were evenly split between the Confederate flag and William Faulkner to represent Southern heritage, and just randomly picked the flag with a coin toss, I’m sure.

I see your point, but the Confederacy and Nazi Germany are a false equivalence.

There’s a difference between false equivalence and an imperfect analogy – otherwise you could say false equivalence for any analogy. If someone said a bird was as blue as the sky, you couldn’t really say “false equivalence, the sky is airy and the bird is all feathery”. You have to consider the quality for which they’re being compared – the blueness. As far as foundations firmly rooted in brutally racist ideologies, Nazis and Confederates are pretty close. But there were differences: the Confederacy was more focused on forced labor camps than extermination, the Confederacy was much more limited in the scale of its military ambitions to only attacking the United States, and Germany was a legitimate nation, to name a few.

Probably the closest modern analogue for the Confederacy I can think of is ISIS. A group of fanatics with delusions of statehood, trying to enforce a brutal medieval philosophy already abandoned by the rest of the world on the population unfortunate enough to live under their control, with surprisingly capable military commanders for an otherwise backward operation, but ultimately doomed to lose the fight they started. And even then there’s a few differences.

The Nazis wanted to conquer the world and kill all the Jewish people and others that were not like Aryans. The Confederacy wanted a country of its own. Some(probably most) wanted to preserve slavery(which I absolutely agree was an evil and racist goal). Some felt the states were allowed to secede from the US. Some preferred a government where the states had much more power to decide things for themselves(and yes, that includes, but not exclusively, the slavery issue).

I think the Confederacy and the Nazis were a bit different. I think the Nazis were much more evil.

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#1120605
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

pretty sure Star Trek Online and comics are not canon.

The thing is, it just doesn’t make sense that another universe was created. How would going back in time and changing history create a whole other universe? Sorry not buying it.

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#1120584
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

NeverarGreat said:

Here’s the exact exchange from Star Trek '09:

KIRK: There won’t be a next engagement. By the time we’ve gathered, it’ll be too late. But you say he’s from the future, knows what’s going to happen, then the logical thing is to be unpredictable.
SPOCK: You are assuming that Nero knows how events are predicted to unfold. To the contrary, Nero’s very presence has altered the flow of history, beginning with the attack on the USS Kelvin, culminating in the events of today, thereby creating an entire new chain of incidents that cannot be anticipated by either party.
UHURA: An alternate reality?
SPOCK: Precisely. Whatever our lives might have been, if the time continuum was disrupted, our destinies have changed. Mr. Sulu, plot a course to the Laurentian system warp factor three.

“altered the flow of history” in other words: changed history, not create a whole other universe.

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#1120582
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

No, since the purpose of that picture was not to inflame.

the purpose didn’t seem to matter before.

I don’t know what you’re talking about. Posting relevant images that include the Confederate or Nazi or whatever flags isn’t a problem.

I don’t know how you couldn’t what I am talking about.

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