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#1182830
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John Williams says IX will be his last.
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A sad day this will be indeed though for me that kind of happened with Ep6 as the last movie in episodic order that I will listen up to now. I didn’t mind TFA’s soundtrack but it’s nothing special in my mind compared to the OT and PT soundtracks, with it being quite muted at times during the movie in comparison to the others and no real standout new themes.

I can’t even remember what TLJ soundtrack was apart from some licks of each character’s theme playing whenever they were on screen, so the ST soundtracks are pretty much a non event for me though the other 6 movies that came before will always be just as special to me as the movies themselves.

A mate of mine recently commented on me listening to SW soundtracks as if it were odd, him being a SW fan himself so I’ve spent the past few weeks listening to all 6 albums a number of times over to try and create a shortlist of tracks for him to try out. I listed the entire album for ANH though since that’s were it all started and everything is essentially derived from. If he enjoys it hopefully it will cause him to listen to all the albums.

I think SW music is really something to be truly appreciated and without it SW would certainly not be what it is today. Lucas’s purpose in using such music was to try and imbue all that additional emotion into the movie without needing to use dialogue and visuals alone and Williams achieved that to an absolute tee. I need only hear a few bits of a track to be instantly transported back to the scene and the emotions attached to it.

Val

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#1182825
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Collipso said:

I’m a huge fan of George Lucas

Having only partly read his biography so far, seeing his recent speech for Mark’s walk of fame star and recent events with TLJ, I don’t view Lucas in a such a harsh light anymore as I come to understand him (which is still not much, he’s an odd one for sure), his history and his motives a little more. I still hate many of the changes he made in the OT and the PT are still bad movies once you grow out of childhood memories but he’s done far more right than wrong IMHO, especially when measured against RJ and TLJ.

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#1182824
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Sir Ridley said:

Valheru_84 said:

Sir Ridley said:

Valheru_84 said:

oojason said:

^ off topic thread by .Val edited to a ‘.’.

Not in here you don’t, Val.

Take it the TLJ opinion/review thread.

Taking something obviously said as a joke out of context like that does you or your views on TLJ no favours.

I didn’t see it as a joke but a veiled insult to someone that has been as outspoken as possible about his dissatisfaction with a number of matters in a very smart and humourous way without drawing the wrath of the mouse and disappointing his fans by being booted from the remaining SW movies he has a chance to be in.

I think you’re most definitely wrong. It was friendly banter, nothing sinister about it. Check out this interview as well. https://youtu.be/YYMga3GHOZU?t=33m33s Lots of teasing remarks like that but obviously there’s a friendship between them and a lot of mutual love and admiration.

To bring this back on topic… perhaps Frink could use Mark’s idea about growing to Godzilla size and stomping the First Order. That would be something.

I certainly don’t think so - go to 35:07 and there’s a perfect example of what I’m talking about. A joke about killing the past and RJ is doing a good job of it to which RJ half heartedly laughs it off while looking down and is obviously awkward in his behaviour, signifying to me he personally has different thoughts on Mark’s comment. You have to ask yourself - why would Mark actually be happy about killing of the past, his past and a character he has been the active custodian of for 40 years and had to think of it as “Jake Skywalker” in order to play the part? He obviously doesn’t agree and this is one of his many little ways he has employed over the past months of letting RJ, Disney and the audience know without actually saying it and causing a real PR shit fight.

Val

I’m not saying they don’t disagree, they probably disagree on many things (like friends can do). But I don’t see any hostility between them or a need to belittle each other, they disagree on some things but they’re just having fun with it.

Later they discuss creative differences. https://youtu.be/YYMga3GHOZU?t=42m33s Look at 42:50 where Rian genuinely laughs at Mark’s story and Mark grabs Rians hand and smiles. Very sweet and friendly but still acknowledging that there were some creative differences. Later on at 43:15 Mark admits he might have had some stupid ideas (Godzilla Luke). At 47:12 they discuss how some of Mark’s ideas are in the film too, like the forehead kiss with Leia and the wink to C3PO. Then at 48:04 Rian teases Mark in reference to their creative differences while at the same time acknowledging that it wasn’t all bad. Then he pats Marks arm to say sorry and Mark jokes on himself about the Godzilla idea. I think it’s all very wholesome and fun, no ill will there.

I’ll try and watch the whole thing at some stage and get back to you (as much as I hate listening to RJ talk).

Val

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#1182821
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Matt.F said:
“Rian Johnson called Mark Hamill a motherfucker”.

You’re not serious?!

Fake News come to OT.com

Um, there is no doubt about it. RJ referenced Mark as “motherfucker” via interjection before letting him answer such a question and I expand on that a bit more above.

Anyone can go to 22:08 and listen to RJ say it to Mark’s face.

Val

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#1182817
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

TV’s Frink said:

I’m not sure why I should care about this. Even if Rian and Mark hated each other’s guts (which seems not to be the case despite a desperate attempt to make it seem so), why should that matter in the slightest?

Im not saying they necessarily hate each other’s guts but I do feel their is some back and forth exchange of low level animosity for various story and directing decisions from which various tensions have sprung.

But even that aside, I just think on a pure respect level that it’s simply not on and it shows a casual contempt for Mark. Do you hear Mark swearing back? No. Swearing in Star Wars itself never used to be a thing (maybe in universe but not real world swear words, especially such offensive and on the nose ones) until the ST as I’m certain there was an actual swear word in TLJ which very much surprised me. I’m an adult and can swear just as well as the next if I want to but there’s a time and a place and your own compass on such things that says you don’t say “mofo” in a public Q and A where minors could be watching and certainly not directed at a highly respected and loved actor who personifies his character that everyone also loves.

Additionally, I have not yet ever seen RJ address Mark or other cast as such before and so it seemed furthermore out of place and character which makes me thing even more that it was an intentional jab at Mark to watch his tongue when answering such an obviously heavily loaded question that directly relates to all the drama around Mark’s character and everything he himself is on record for saying about it.

Val

Edit: Regarding swear words in TLJ, I just tried to research it a bit and there doesn’t seem to be a swear word in it that I would call shocking (being Australian) but there are definitely low level swear words in it that I haven’t heard in SW before such as “bastard” and “ass” (used by Finn to elaborate on the “big ass door” which swearing aside, that kind of current day saying is distracting enough to hear used in SW). Before that it was only ever “damn” and “hell” which in the land of Oz aren’t even considered swear words 😉

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#1182768
Topic
Episode VIII: The Ridiculest Jedi
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Sir Ridley said:

Valheru_84 said:

oojason said:

^ off topic thread by .Val edited to a ‘.’.

Not in here you don’t, Val.

Take it the TLJ opinion/review thread.

Taking something obviously said as a joke out of context like that does you or your views on TLJ no favours.

I didn’t see it as a joke but a veiled insult to someone that has been as outspoken as possible about his dissatisfaction with a number of matters in a very smart and humourous way without drawing the wrath of the mouse and disappointing his fans by being booted from the remaining SW movies he has a chance to be in.

I think you’re most definitely wrong. It was friendly banter, nothing sinister about it. Check out this interview as well. https://youtu.be/YYMga3GHOZU?t=33m33s Lots of teasing remarks like that but obviously there’s a friendship between them and a lot of mutual love and admiration.

To bring this back on topic… perhaps Frink could use Mark’s idea about growing to Godzilla size and stomping the First Order. That would be something.

I certainly don’t think so - go to 35:07 and there’s a perfect example of what I’m talking about. A joke about killing the past and RJ is doing a good job of it to which RJ half heartedly laughs it off while looking down and is obviously awkward in his behaviour, signifying to me he personally has different thoughts on Mark’s comment. You have to ask yourself - why would Mark actually be happy about killing of the past, his past and a character he has been the active custodian of for 40 years and had to think of it as “Jake Skywalker” in order to play the part? He obviously doesn’t agree and this is one of his many little ways he has employed over the past months of letting RJ, Disney and the audience know without actually saying it and causing a real PR shit fight.

Anyway, this is my last post in here about it and I’ve taken my original post over here as asked: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Last-Jedi-Official-Review-and-Opinions-Thread-SPOILERS/id/58010/page/232#1182758

Val

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#1182758
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

So I’ve been asked to repost this here rather than in one of Frinks edit threads:

Essentially RJ has literally called Mark Hamill a “motherfucker” to his face. What a disrespectful arse wipe…

https://youtu.be/wEDlMSwKYSM (skip to 22:00)

Irregardless of whether Mark took offense or not (which he still might even if it was meant as a joke), its disrespectful on many levels and entirely inappropriate in the setting and for any children watching. After coming from essentially no where with only Looper and 3 episodes of Breaking Bad to his name as success stories that I’m aware of, having now made a SW movie he is bigshotting himself all the time and often at the expense of people like Mark (a courteous and kind individual, a legend in his own right as well as a peer and RJ’s elder) who bear it with good grace and humour. The guy is an official twat and I can’t stand him normally, even more so when he rudely interjects to call Luke Skywalker a mofo…

Above is the full footage so you can get full context and make of it what you will. Personally I didn’t see it as a joke but a veiled insult to someone that has been as outspoken as possible about his dissatisfaction with a number of matters (that directly impact RJ and call his decisions into question) in a very smart and humourous way without drawing the wrath of the mouse and disappointing his fans by being booted from the remaining SW movies he has a chance to be in.

I’m also sure Mark didn’t take it to well either but did his diplomatic duty…

Val

Edit: Maybe some people might start to see where the “attack on the patriarchy” and post-modernism starts to come in when it’s also represented in real life right in front of you.

Edit 2: If you can’t reply civily then don’t. Or if you find my above post offensive, feel free to report it and leave it in capable mod hands to decide whether it needs moderating or not. Thanks

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#1182753
Topic
Episode VIII: The Ridiculest Jedi
Time

oojason said:

^ off topic thread by .Val edited to a ‘.’.

Not in here you don’t, Val.

Take it the TLJ opinion/review thread.

Taking something obviously said as a joke out of context like that does you or your views on TLJ no favours.

I didn’t see it as a joke but a veiled insult to someone that has been as outspoken as possible about his dissatisfaction with a number of matters in a very smart and humourous way without drawing the wrath of the mouse and disappointing his fans by being booted from the remaining SW movies he has a chance to be in.

I’m also sure Mark didn’t take it to well either but did his diplomatic duty…

I don’t know why you insist on insinuating though that I’m always on some mission to start a shit fight or something. I post my thoughts like everyone else around here and just like everyone else, sometimes something I say takes it a bit far. That’s still my opinion on TLJ, I don’t take that back but yes I could have presented it less offensively.

Val

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#1182734
Topic
General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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ray_afraid said:

Valheru_84 said:

Jeebus said:

Crazy that there are people out there that unironically think the prequels are any good.

There is still good in them. Lucas hasn’t driven it from them fully 😉

It just takes a competent fan edit and usually one that gets it right for you personally.

Val

Like Jeebus said, crazy.

I could say the same for people that like TLJ but because I’m in the minority that makes me wrong…oh well

(I don’t think that btw)

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#1182665
Topic
Star Wars: Legacy of the Jedi (A The Last JediT) - <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong>
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ChiefWamsutta said:

Valheru_84 said:

Highly doubt a fanedit can save this movie for me as there’s just so much wrong with TLJ but these are the most promising plans for an edit that I’ve seen so far.

Good luck and God speed Digmod!

Val

I do know what you mean … a lot of the Sequel Trilogy needs narrative restructuring, rather than post-production editing. We should have seen more of the New Republic and their rebirth, as well as the First Order’s growth.

You’re not wrong though unfortunately for me, my biggest issue is what they do to Luke’s character. Even if there was substantially more in the movie to explain Luke’s complete backflip to the point where you could say they “earned it”, I still don’t know if I could really ever accept RJ’s version of Luke Skywalker and so in that sense, every fan edit is already doomed to fail for me personally before I even watch it.

I don’t mind still helping with an edit though if I can and in respect to that, I can say that I think your teaser Digmod is already a massive improvement on many aspects (and if it weren’t for Luke’s character assassination I would be already calling this my definitive edit) though I think for the new crawl there are a couple of improvements to be made:

  • “LEGACY OF THE JEDI” looks a bit odd, like it’s propped up at a different angle to the rest of the crawl. Are you using Jackpumpkinhead’s crawl creator here? As it looks really great and sharp apart from this one flaw.

  • “The RESISTANCE is in flight!” feels a bit of and too short as an opener, I think something like the following might fit better: “After a triumphant victory in destroying Star Killer Base, the tables have turned with the RESISTANCE now in full retreat. THE FIRST ORDER has located their hidden base and are intent on eliminating their influence for good.”

  • “Rey races” sounds odd, almost like a super hero name so I think you just need a synonym for “races” or change the sentence structure a bit such as “Meanwhile, Rey is racing across the stars…”

  • Does “Without him, the cause for freedom…” sound better than “Without him, the cause of freedom…”?

  • “Leia and her freedom fighters” sounds odd to me because of the use of “freedom” only 2 lines earlier, maybe change it to “Leia and her resistance fighters” since they are the Resistance?

  • Would “All of their hope now lies in the return of the last Jedi…” sound better? Btw, I like your use of “return” and the 4 dots ;P

Other than those few things I think it sounds and reads very well.


My other suggestions / comments are regarding some of your cut list items:

  • Remove the artsy shots throughout the movie

Does this include the Falcon spraying up the ocean water as it arrives at Ach-to (still shown in your trailer)? It definitely feels like an artsy / eye candy like shot, is pretty pointless to the story and needlessly risky in regards to what’s at stake to go skimming an alien ocean for the fun of it.

  • Remove Poe’s single fighter assault on that incompetent dreadnought and all of the ridiculous dialogue in the scene

I noticed there was still some of this footage in the trailer, is this because it’s reused elsewhere such as when the bombing run happens later on as you plan? Also, do you think it possible to speed up the footage a bit to increase the bomber travel speed itself so it doesn’t appear so ridiculously slow?

  • Remove Finn’s leaking suit scenes. We’ll just see him wake up.

Not sure what I really feel is possible here but when we see Finn cut up the spine in TFA and lapse into a comma, I fully expected him to have some drastic injuries and loss of functionality to the point that he would have a number of bio-mechanical limbs and body parts upon waking up in this movie, similar to Luke receiving his new hand at the end of TESB. So I didn’t know if it was possible to show any signs of a bio-mechanical mid to lower spine and/or additionally bio-mechanical legs? Probably a long shot and likely not even something you’d want to do yourself, it just feels like another thread from TFA that was thrown in the bin when he wakes up with no ill effects and becomes a walking joke (in a bad way though, I wasn’t laughing in my cinema seat).

  • Remove Leia’s space force fairy scene. We’ll see the bridge get hit, but no one will go flying out in space.

Seeing that you’re removing this, I wonder if it’s at all possible to cut that Ackbar is killed off screen and instead have him kamikaze the ship into Snoke’s? Though it shouldn’t cut Snoke’s ship nearly in half nor destroy the other Star Destroyers, instead only heavily damaging Snoke’s ship. I will say that the fragmented light speed destruction is a beautiful scene but it throws far FAR too much into question for all previous films.

  • Remove Luke throwing the saber, remove quippy dialogue on the island.

Excellent, I suggested in another thread if it was possible to make it seem like he simply drops the saber rather than tossing it over his shoulder. Apparently there is no footage in the theatrical of it hitting the ground but I think a deleted scene of a Porg sabering itself as it looks down the barrel and another accidentally turns it on may be usable to suggest this (obviously removing the porgs from the scene and maybe only even needing a single still from the scene)? Otherwise you’ll probably have to suffice for him just stalking away. Below is the link to my suggestion in full:

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1180861

  • Remove as much of the porgs including the Chewbacca scene

Is it worth just keeping a bit of Chewbacca in this scene as he eyes off the roasting porg and then cut away? So at least we get to see a little more of him. Maybe do this and recut it into another time in the movie, like just before Rey walks out from under the Falcon into the rain?

  • Remove Luke milking the creature (at least we know where blue milk comes from now)

Is it actually blue though in TLJ? 😛 (seems more greenish to me than the blue seen in ANH)

  • Remove Rey’s finger snaps during her force vision in the dark side cave

How does Rey even get out of this area when one assumes she doesn’t know how to swim having grown up on a desert planet?

  • Lessen Kylo Ren’s tantrum in the turbo lift

I think this is a good idea that could play into some actual character development, showing that he’s starting to mature and control his emotions? But then you have the spittle fest at the end as he orders all walkers to fire on Luke and then when he faces off against him…

  • Remove the Yoda scene (I get the message that was intended, but the scene was terribly executed imho)

Definitely terribly executed. Do you think there are any redeemable parts for a new scene here along with making Yoda actually look like a force ghost as we know them?


That’s it for me so far. Again, good luck!

Val

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#1182269
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

That’s actually true. I think the petition is bs, but what happened to respecting the minorities? If it was the PT people would be fine with it. In fact when it was the PT people here were more than fine with it.

Recently there was a comment in this very thread where someone said we shouldn’t treat PT fans like people. I found that to be very rude and possibly ban worthy. I used to be a PT fan myself when I was younger and several little kids I know are PT fans.

I’d most certainly ridicule a petition that tried to do the same thing for the PT. The concept is just plain dumb as shit. These people need to grow up.

So while we’re at it, how about we stop treating people who like the ST like people? Or stop treating people that like MARVEL movies like people? Or how about stop treating someone with a certain sexuality like people because they are attracted to X instead of the majority’s Y?

I hope I don’t get banned for this, but come on.

Making “people who don’t like Disney SW movies” out to be a minority on par with people with different sexual orientations is… misguided, to say the least.

That wasn’t what I was referring to. I was referring to someone trashtalking PT fans. And all are groups of people that should be equally respected nonetheless.

PT fans were the direct comparison, but the whole point from the start of your post was to compare to minority of non-ST fans with the minority of PT fans. Either way you really shouldn’t be comparing them to minority groups that actually matter.

Good. So we’re allowed to say “let’s not treat PT fans like people” because that’s not a minority that matter? That was my only critic.

Did I say that? No. I’m just saying it’s incredibly fucking ignorant to pretend that some guy saying (obviously jokingly) on the internet that PT fans “aren’t people” is on the same level of minorities that actually face real discrimination.

Disagree, all kinds of discrimination are bad imo. I’m not saying that you’re saying otherwise though.

Come on man. Think about what you’re saying.

The common theme in your first and last couple of posts indicate that as long as a minority isn’t part of a worthy cause in your opinion then it’s ok to discriminate and belittle them.

Come on man, think about what YOU are saying…

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#1182232
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

Collipso said:

I think most companies that would be target of boycotts today are too big for a boycott to hurt or affect them in any way, like Disney.

True, unless it’s a big enough issue. Fact of the matter is, SW probably has too big of a general audience irrespective of its hardcore fan base for anything like such a petition to ever make any difference. Still there’s nothing wrong with simply wanting your voice to be heard and that’s all this petition is now, even the creator has posted in his own petition update that the original goal of the petition is essentially pointless.

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#1182225
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

SilverWook said:

Valheru_84 said:

SilverWook said:

As it requires no great sacrifice or personal inconvenience on their part, it kind of cheapens the concept of a boycott. Let’s see them deny their kids a trip to the parks or buying other Disney product.

Sorry but I don’t understand what personal sacrifice or inconvenience has to do with a boycott? The point is to get a message across by voting with your wallet, if anything the boycotters are better off from saving money and not having to sit through more movies they are fairly certain they are not going to enjoy anyway.

Why else would we boycott the movies other than we really do not care to watch any more Disney SW movies due to our experience with TLJ and the direction we can now see that the movies are heading in? At that you could almost say that it’s not a boycott and that Disney have simply lost part of their fan base which if they aren’t fans anymore of the new movies, they’re not going to see the movies or buy the home releases anyway. What makes it a boycott is that these people love their SW and still hope to see change to a certain extent in how these movies are being made as a result of hitting Disney where it actually hurts them. If this changes actually happens then they’ll get back the patronage of the boycotters.

Regarding kids, I certainly reserve the right to decide what my kids will watch and what I buy for them. Once they are old enough I’ll have no problem if they want to watch the ST and spend their own money on merchandise and we can have interesting conversations on the matter, that’s if they even like SW for that matter 😉 I’ll be bringing them up on a healthy dose of OT for sure but you never know if they’ll keep liking it as adults.

Edit: forgot to reply on your comment about kids

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_bus_boycott
Boyctts used to be about important social issues, not because someone doesn’t like a movie a company puts out. Nobody threatened to boycott Paramount when they put out a Trek movie the fans were upset with.

The kids comment was in the context of someone stopping their kids from enjoying other Disney product when they had no problem with it before.

Key words “used to be” as that is certainly not the case anymore. Boycotting is used all the time as a way to try and reach a manufacturer or brand for instance on whatever it is you take issue with on their product since affecting their bottom line seems the only way to actually make them listen.

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#1182211
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Valheru_84 said:

SilverWook said:

As it requires no great sacrifice or personal inconvenience on their part, it kind of cheapens the concept of a boycott. Let’s see them deny their kids a trip to the parks or buying other Disney product.

Sorry but I don’t understand what personal sacrifice or inconvenience has to do with a boycott? The point is to get a message across by voting with your wallet, if anything the boycotters are better off from saving money and not having to sit through more movies they are fairly certain they are not going to enjoy anyway.

You can vote with your wallet without making a spectacle of yourself at the same time.

Just don’t buy it. End of story.

That’s assuming that people don’t also want to see something they love continue to be something they love when new content is made for it. It’s all about “hope” 😉

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#1182209
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

DuracellEnergizer said:

Valheru_84 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

While I’ve washed my hands of the ST and all future SW films for the forseeable future, it’s hard for me to sympathize with these people. I’ll bet a sizable portion of them were the same smug, self-satisfied Lucas fanboys who mocked and heckled OOT purists just for wanting a proper restoration of the theatrical cuts. To that faction, I can only say: “Can you feel that, buddy‽”

Well one of these people is me and I want a OOT release, I liked the PT as a kid and still do with the right fan edit and I even liked TFA but I hate TLJ. So try categorising that 😉

“Non-standard non-purist”? 😛

Nice try 😛

If I’m after an OOT release though wouldnt that make me a purist?

DuracellEnergizer said:

I don’t doubt some of the signatories are the type of people you described but you can’t tar the entire group with the same brush as demonstrated above.

True. Still, I find the whole notion of creating a petition to strike a movie one doesn’t like from canon hopelessly immature and petulant. Now, I’m not a fan of official canon, and that’s been true since 2007; I don’t like most of the EU, I don’t like the SE or PT, and I don’t even like ROTJ. Yet never once did I entertain the notion of starting or signing a petition to get any of that decanonized; I’ve chucked out what I despise and replaced it with headcanon.

tl;dr: These people have to get over themselves and stop treating official canon as something which actually matters.

I think the petition creator realised this themselves, here are some of their updates for context:

Update 1

DEC 19, 2017 — Hey guys, I need to be honest here…

I put this petition up because I was upset and I was on strong pain medication. Last December I was in a vehicle accident and am still trying to get the surgery and such, it really messed up my knee and leg and put me in a wheelchair. If I sit up for a long time it really starts hurting.

So after spending the time to get to the movie, watch it, and get back I was in ridiculous pain. I was frustrated and medicated. So, I made this petition. It was a bad idea at the time and I feel that we are pooling our efforts in not a healthy direction.

While supporting this petition is important, and I too have a deep love for Star Wars, I recommend we maybe send this in a new direction. There are tons of people, and causes, who need help, and we are here for Star Wars.

I couldn’t get the help on GoFundMe to help pay for my surgery, and yet this gets this kind of attention? To the point that this petition has been in multiple news publications at this point? How many other people out there need help and can’t get attention?

I’m not comfortable with that…

I love all of the support, but we also know that Disney isn’t going to do anything, and with so many people, who have much better causes, who are struggling to gain attention it is a shame that this is getting this level of media attention.

So please, while we all love Star Wars, I urge every single supporter who signed this, to also take a few minutes to look at other petitions on Change.Org, ones that are important, or look at causes on GoFundMe. Places where we can make a difference that matters.

Thank you.

Update 2

DEC 20, 2017 — Oiy and vey this has been difficult…

Okay, it seems people mistook my last update and got an implied meaning that I never intended, so I am going to be as blunt and direct as possible.

I never slammed the supporters of this petition.

Contrary to what ComicBook.Com wrote (twice) first accusing this petition of being spoiler laden, and then second saying that I had reversed my position and slammed supporters.

Neither of those things happened. I still do not like this film. I only know that the petition, which was made in a moment of compromised common sense, can’t achieve the goal that was set for it. It was meant as a way to blow off steam, and in the grand scope of realism there is a 0% chance that Disney would strip TLJ from canon, and they absolutely won’t delay Episode IX to remake Episode VIII. That was a flight of fancy, and a sarcastic statement.

Do I think The Last Jedi is good? No. I feel that it doesn’t get characterizations correct. I feel that it was poorly written and that, intentionally or not, Rian Johnson insulted the hardcore fanbase repeatedly and made poor use of the assets he had available with regards to classic characters. Killing legendary characters off-screen then introducing new characters in roles that classic characters could have filled better and losing the emotional impact and weight those classic characters would have brought to the series. I feel that some of the decisions made hurt the franchise. I am still torn up about the ending.

I have not been, as some people accused, bought off by Disney. I wish I was bought off by Disney, I could use the money, but no I didn’t change my tune on the liking of this film. If you can please stop sending me threats I would greatly appreciate it.

What I did do, however, was urge you to all aim your signatures and donations into a better direction. That isn’t me saying you shouldn’t sign this petition to show Disney you’re annoyed at them. Please feel free to do so.

That being said, we have, at the time of me writing this, over 25,000 people in one place. We are all passionate about Star Wars. This is a tremendous amount of power that can be used for good. So yes, I still urge everyone coming here to sign petitions that are important, I urge them all to help people who are in need, because we are people and we are gathered, and it is the holidays, and that is just a decent thing to do.

This petition probably shouldn’t have hit this critical mass. Certainly not to the point that it has been featured in pretty much every news site out there. I shouldn’t be getting threats, and worse, over a petition, and I have been dealing with such all day.

So to clarify:

  1. No I don’t like The Last Jedi. I would actually love Disney to strip it from canon, I just know such a thing isn’t (and never was) a realistic goal.

  2. You should all help people, as we always should help people, because that is just a decent thing to do. My concern is that the popularity of this petition could pull the focus off of things that might be more important.

  3. You should not be throwing threats around at people. This was a way to blow off steam, I have said that from minute one, and show that people were displeased, but you shouldn’t be threatening people. That isn’t cool.

  4. To restate one last thing: “I am not slamming anyone who signed this.” I am passionate about Star Wars too. I didn’t like the Last Jedi. I was very upset at the film. I just don’t want people to have unrealistic ideas of what this petition can actually accomplish.

  5. I’m going to use this thing to do good… So each and every day I will use the ability to send out an update to direct people to worthy and good causes. Why? Because that is a decent thing to do.

Today I’m going to direct Star Wars fans to visit “A Force For Change”

https://forceforchange.starwars.com/

I’m not saying like the current film. I don’t. I’m not saying don’t sign this to show Disney you’re upset, by all means please do. I am saying that you can do that and still help people.

The Force Will Be With You, Always…

Update 3

DEC 21, 2017 — I have been asked to verify that I am who I say I am, because it may be that the Huffington Post would like to comment on this petition.

I have been in contact with Matthew Jacobs, and this was one of the few ways I could verify that he had the right person.

As always, sign if you want to sign, but please also take a few minutes of your day to help someone else. Thank you.

I reached out to them because people have been conflating this petition with a growing theory that all Star Wars fans who are displeased with the new film are members of the Alt-Right. We are, or at least I am, absolutely not.

The issues people with this petition have has nothing to do with race, gender, or creed of anyone and has nothing to do with real-world political affiliations. The majority of people in this petition are here because they feel that the legacy of Star Wars was mishandled and didn’t enjoy the film. Nothing more, or less.

My feelings are well known. I just didn’t want anyone who did sign this being caught in a very negative narrative, nor did I want anything I am a part of to be associated in the least bit, with the Alt-Right. This is about the characters of Star Wars.

As I have stated, this petition started as a way to blow off steam, but regardless of that, I didn’t want to risk that kind of an association.

Thank you and remember. Please take the time out of your day to help someone else.

I also want to thank the petitioners who have signed this as well. You are all passionate Star Wars fans. Though initially there were some really aggressive posts (I received more than a fair share of those) in the last day or so, this has become a pretty positive group. I am very thankful for that.

~Henry Walsh

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Collipso said:

That’s actually true. I think the petition is bs, but what happened to respecting the minorities? If it was the PT people would be fine with it. In fact when it was the PT people here were more than fine with it.

Recently there was a comment in this very thread where someone said we shouldn’t treat PT fans like people. I found that to be very rude and possibly ban worthy. I used to be a PT fan myself when I was younger and several little kids I know are PT fans.

I’d most certainly ridicule a petition that tried to do the same thing for the PT. The concept is just plain dumb as shit. These people need to grow up.

So while we’re at it, how about we stop treating people who like the ST like people? Or stop treating people that like MARVEL movies like people? Or how about stop treating someone with a certain sexuality like people because they are attracted to X instead of the majority’s Y?

I hope I don’t get banned for this, but come on.

Making “people who don’t like Disney SW movies” out to be a minority on par with people with different sexual orientations is… misguided, to say the least.

Point completely missed…

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DuracellEnergizer said:

While I’ve washed my hands of the ST and all future SW films for the forseeable future, it’s hard for me to sympathize with these people. I’ll bet a sizable portion of them were the same smug, self-satisfied Lucas fanboys who mocked and heckled OOT purists just for wanting a proper restoration of the theatrical cuts. To that faction, I can only say: “Can you feel that, buddy‽”

Well one of these people is me and I want a OOT release, I liked the PT as a kid and still do with the right fan edit and I even liked TFA but I hate TLJ. So try categorising that 😉

I don’t doubt some of the signatories are the type of people you described but you can’t tar the entire group with the same brush as demonstrated above.

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Collipso said:

That’s actually true. I think the petition is bs, but what happened to respecting the minorities? If it was the PT people would be fine with it. In fact when it was the PT people here were more than fine with it.

Recently there was a comment in this very thread where someone said we shouldn’t treat PT fans like people. I found that to be very rude and possibly ban worthy. I used to be a PT fan myself when I was younger and several little kids I know are PT fans.

So while we’re at it, how about we stop treating people who like the ST like people? Or stop treating people that like MARVEL movies like people? Or how about stop treating someone with a certain sexuality like people because they are attracted to X instead of the majority’s Y?

I hope I don’t get banned for this, but come on.

Can’t see anything wrong with that post mate.

Also regarding the petition, even the creator himself acknowledges he created it in the heat of the moment while dealing with some heavy personal shit, that given a few days to cool off he wouldn’t have made it and that he doesn’t expect it to accomplish what it states it wants to achieve but he decided to leave it up since it got such a strong reaction and was becoming a rallying point for people to simply voice their displeasure at what RJ and Disney did with TLJ.

It has made it into a number of news articles which usually report on it wrongly but nevertheless it has been noticed out in the wider world and hopefully by Disney so they at least know there is a subset of fans that really abhor the choices made with TLJ.

I don’t believe at this stage that it’s going to have any impact on Disney, only time will tell if further major drop off with Ep9 and reduced merchandise and home release sales actually happen and then what effect that is seen to cause. Merchandise figures are already well down, whether that’s a result of the movies themselves or something else isn’t really known but it will be interesting to see how the home release sales go.

Val