The Dark Empire

Hey…

For me this is the second time STAR WARS died.

When Episode 1 hit the cinemas, I could hardly be more excited. Unfortunately, I was disappointed afterwards as well. I never liked the ideas George Lucas had to tell about the prehistory. Still, it was clear in the STAR WARS universe. But my old STAR WARS FILMS died with the prequels.

As moderate as the prequels were so terrific and great was everything that came afterwards. Through the prequels, the entire universe blossomed into an Expandet Universe. And suddenly the prequels did not seem so out of place. Through the EU, STAR WARS had grown up far from the screen. When the CLONE WARS came I ignored them because I thought it was kid stuff. That was a mistake. This series was great and showed so much of the STAR WARS universe that I’ve always wanted to see.

When I heard that Disney wanted to buy STAR WARS and wanted to do sequels, I was briefly euphoric again. But then came the death blow: killing the entire EU was the wrong thing DISNEY could do. Although I have to say that EP7 subliminally brought a bit of STAR WARS feel, EP8 drove the cart to the wall. RO felt like the prequels back then. Solo is indisputably bad. That’s it … STAR WARS is like Latin. Kind of dead.

Thrawn looks excellent in Star Wars Episode IX…!!!

Frank your Majesty said:

It says “origin point”. If the planet consumes its star for firing, there needs to be a way to relocate the planet. Otherwise, the First Order spent an immeasurable amount of money and labour on a weapon that can fire only once. This clearly isn’t the case, as the weapon prepares to attack the Resistance base after the attack on the Republic. If we assume that they also tested the weapon sometime before the initial attack, the planet isn’t at it’s origin point anymore, when we see it for the first time.

Hi there,

you are right. It looks like the Starkiller can only fire one shot.
One shot one sun consumed. Thats the main point it wouldn’t work.
And i am far awy from nitpicking real physics (like… if the sun is gone, the gravity is very different and so on…) Like chyron8472 metioned, it needs to move for the next shot.

chyron8472 said:

According to the novelization, the weapon’s beam rips a hole through hyperspace, allowing for near-instantaneous travel between points. The weapon doesn’t need to move to target. It needs to move to find a new energy source.

I don’t know the novelization but even if the weapon’s beam can fire through hyperspace (and if we forget, that Kylo can see the traveling beam) it would fire through the galaxies center (black hole) and travels 43.500 lightyears in barely a minute and hits precicely a bunch of planets (see… i am not nitpicking on the splitting beam).

meh…

But… if you want to justify all of this by saying “its a movie”, “fantasy” and all of that “blah blah” i have an addition: nobody on Takodana could see the destruction of Hosnian Prime. The visible light would take around 25.340 years to reach Maz Katanas Planet.

Greetings from the real world.

hey

i love it!

Disney is not smart. You should never give out a map that proves the superweapon did not work that way in the EP7. From Starkiller Base to Hosnian Prime would be around 43.500 lightyears through the supermassive black hole in the galaxys core! Meh…

oojason said:

Collipso said:

It really seemed like Finn was more than able to destroy the cannon to me. He was still going relatively fast in the cannon’s direction, while all the others turned back, which it in itself is a plot hole (how did Rose even get to him?) and something I noticed upon first viewing.

Uh this cannon! Reminds me of this:

Not a very good idea for Star Wars.

SilverWook said:

Luke did something we’ve never seen any other Jedi do before. He projected a solid version of himself across unimaginable distances and could interact with Leia and even Threepio. That had to come with a price. In the end, Luke saved the day one last time and went out a hero.

Maybe we had never seen this before because it makes alot of things obsolete.
If the jedi (and throught the time there were a lot of jedi more powerful than Luke) could project a solid self to anywhere in the galaxy they could enter enemy ships ore bases and sabotage it or so. Many things in the war would be handled differently.

This solid projection reminds me of the transwarp beaming in ST:Into Darkness.
An invention that makes the entire Starfleet pointless. Why not let Luke come to the battle in person and die like a hero? Not like “go to sleep on a dank rock!”

DrDre said:

Yeah, but the part of the wing the cruiser sliced off like butter was about 20,000 meters wide. The FO Star Destroyers are also quite a bit bigger than the Imperial Star Destroyer. Either way the DS would have sustained major damage, to the point where it would no longer be oeprational, especially if the cruisers had pointed their attack at the DS disc.

In the EU there is a text about hyperspace collisions.

“Hyperspace collisions, whether they be intentional or by accident, could devastate or even destroy a planet. Considering the fact that the output of the reactors of many Capital ships rivaled or eclipsed that of a star, and that the energies needed to make hyperspace travel possible were vast, one could unleash a great deal of destructive power on a target. Even if a planet had its planetary shielding up at the time of a hyperspace collision, it could still have the potential to kill millions on a world such as Coruscant just due to the fallout.[4] One of the more famous hyperspace accidents occurred during the Clone Wars, when the battlecruiser Quaestor collided with the Separatist planet Pammant, fracturing it to its core.”

DrDre said:

The size of the Supremacy is 60,000 meters. The size of the first Death Star is 160,000 meters. The Death Star is bigger, but not that much bigger. Why did the rebels have to steal the plans, and send a small group of rebel ships to destroy the Death Star? Why not just take multiple cruisers piloted by droids, and have them hyperspace through it, destroying the space station? That would have surely saved a lot of lifes.

Good point. Makes me rethink this scene i quite liked.

Nandi said:

The Dark Empire said:

Nandi said:

Old heroes didnt meet because they would overshadow new bland and boring characters, thats why Luke sits (and dies) on a rock even after Han gets killed and even after Leia is in a coma.
edit: btw beautiful photo

Yeah that may be the reason!
But overall i did not like it.

Of course not!

That’s why I have almost no access to the new Star Wars movies. There always seems to be other reasons behind why movies are as they are today.

I just want to get a good story told and if there is already a good story (OT) then you have to keep it going properly rather than impose things that come from commercial decisions. Even if it hurts me to say that, the general precedent (PT) is in the core quite as well succeeded. The cinematic execution, however, is lousy. For me, Star Wars was always more political than mystical.

But now it feels like a soulless Marvel production.

I’m not always nagging, I liked a scene and that was hyperspace suicide! Looked cool, sounded great and that was a great new idea! That’s how it works! Not like the hyperspace idea in TFA.

Nandi said:

Old heroes didnt meet because they would overshadow new bland and boring characters, thats why Luke sits (and dies) on a rock even after Han gets killed and even after Leia is in a coma.
edit: btw beautiful photo

Yeah that may be the reason!
But overall i did not like it.

Hallo,

I do not like the fact that the old heroes do not meet again. My hope for the new trilogy was a sense of reunion. But now Han died before he could see Luke again and his brief meeting with Leia was not a happy moment for me. Now it happened that Luke did not really see his sister again. Just a short chat. Add to that the slow fading away of characters like Chewbacca, R2D2 and C3PO.

I could have really gotten over a lot of the new movies if my old heroes had met again. This Vanity Fair photo (https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5924579852a3f44dc6f3a8a9/master/h_1440,c_limit/star-wars-portfolio-06-2017-ss10.jpg) briefly gave me hope again, but now the story of the group of farmer boy, smuggler, princess, wookie and androids has come to a rather inglorious end without honoring their old story.

This is why i love the “Dark Empire” comics.

ZkinandBonez said:

Are you talking about the spider-looking thing? Because that never appeared in the film (or at least it wasn’t very noticeable). The “new” AT-ST’s however looks pretty much like the OT ones, only a tad bulkier.

Not in the film? I’m a bit disappointed.
Thanks for the information.

Hello,

can anybody tell me how the First Order Heavy Scout Walker looks in the film?
The LEGO-thing looks very weird.

Tobar said:

What is the thing in the lower right??

Cloud City 2?

joefavs said:

Legends had TIEs in atmosphere 20 years ago. This isn’t new. And the policy has always been that supplemental materials like these tech manuals are only considered accurate until a movie contradicts them.

well iknow, but my question is, do you like this change ore do you like it the old way?

Frank your Majesty said:

I imagine that the Tie fighters build 30 years after ROTJ wouldn’t be exactly the same as the imperial designs.

Hi there,

nope. I got the Technical Manual for Episode 7 and the First Order SF TIE-Fighter has no repulsorlift either.

Hello everyone.

There is a thing in the new Star Wars films that has changed compared to the original trilogy. I’ve already mentioned it somewhere in another topic, and I think I can talk about it again after watching the new trailer for episode 8.

In Episode 8, a ground attack of the Empire can be seen, like in Episode 5.
Even in the first pictures of Episode 7, I was enormously disturbed by the atmosphere flying TIE-Fighters and star-destroyers.

I have several technical manuals at home. So far, the TIE-Fighter has been a pure space ship, which has neither a suitable propulsion for the atmosphere, an ion drive only works in space, nor the repulsor lift required by this bad aerodynamic.

Furthermore, Star Destroyers of the Imperial class are not able to fly in atmosphere like a Venator for example. Thats why they are build in space. They only have ION-engines build for use in space. This was also apparent in Episode 5. There the Star Destroyers could not launch an Orbital Bombardment, since the Rebel Base had a shield. So ground troops had to be sent.

If the great Imperial class star destroyers were capable of atmospheric maneuvers, one would not need any ground troops. Likewise, in such an open terrain, heavy slow ground troops make little sense if thousands of cheap and fast-to-produce TIEs could attack from all directions. In Episode 5, no TIEs were sent to Hoth’s surface. With TIEs, the empire can instantly send an overpower into the battle. You would simply let some of the star destroyers circle a few kilometers above the enemy. From there, they could cover the whole area with laser fires and TIEs.

No body groups would be needed.

In the old triology, the imperial military was militarily logically structured.
Now it feels illogical. I’m keeping the TIE-Fighter out of the air.

Rogue One was more logical in this regard, because the TIE striker used there is
"specialized for in-atmosphere missions, the atmospheric fighter is identifiable by its horizontal high-speed wings and large central pod." And it has repulsorlifts.

That makes sense and shows that the TIE flying in atmosphere is wrong. Therefore i can not watch TIEs standing on there panels. I hate it because nothing that flies would be standing on this filligrane components.

I know that it is quite technically realistic what is going on in my mind and I know that it is only films, but the Technical Manuals do so if everything was real.

Whats your oppinion on this?

NeverarGreat said:

The Dark Empire said:

Like Luke, Chewbacca, R2-D2, C-3PO…

I know, but i am a fan of the bad boys.
Well, every bad boy dies befor EP7, and it will be an issue to ressurect them i must admit.
But i do not like the new evil guys and therefore i miss the emperor.

Hello there…

this is a nice thread which makes me think about old times.

I first watched Star Wars on german television on march the 15. 1990 lying on the floor in front of my grandmas tv. I was 11 years old. It was the first time the movie was shown on german television. By that time the USA were far far away.

The following weeks my grandma had to record ESB and ROTJ because we did not own a video-recorder.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

I mean, it’s been continuing since right after Return of the Jedi with the old Marvel comics, and of course in the nineties with Heir to the Empire and Dark Empire. Ever since I discovered the EU when I was a kid I’ve been fine with the continuation of the saga.

This is my opinion as well.
The comics transported the OT-story into a more mature level.
In ROTJ Luke beginns to be sucked into the dark side which nearly wins over Luke.
The emperor tries to defeat death with his cloning experiments and this makes the character more evil.

I always was looking forward to see some of this EU-comic on the big screen.
Snoke is not that frightening to me as the emperor was.

I think that the emperor would be a connection to the past in the new films, so… yeah, i miss this character. But it seems like Disney plan to erase ALL of the old characters in the sequel trilogy.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

I love your name and avatar. I’m a fellow Dark Empire fan.

Thx. And I like your avatar!!

darthrush said:

I guess I half agree with you here since I find the ski speeders to be aesthetically pleasing whereas the walkers and the new star destroyers feel really uninspired.

“Uninspired” is a good word for it! But the “ski-speeders” are a bit absurd.
The speeder uses a “stabilizer strut to keep balance when moving across alien terrain”.
But first it nearly crashes to the ground, rubbing the cannon (should get at least dirty on the inside, if not damaged) and the cockpit on the floor, then lowers the strut to be stable. I think rubbin the floor all the time with this filigree ships is not a good concept. The floor always have to be really flat. But even then they aren’t really stable.

All of the flying things with repulsorlifts in SW are flying stable. Think back to Luke’s Speeder.

Lord Tobias said:

Dark empire looks like vomit…so your judging of visual styles are questionable at best

Well… no… this is great comic art! Especially if you look at the release year.
I always love Cam Kennedys drawings. And I think you should be more polite!

NeverarGreat said:

Just realized that we’ve got B-wings up in this.

Funny. I just thought what the man was talking about? And then I saw it. These “Ski Speeders” really look like a shitty version of the B-Wing fighter. The whole new SW ships are rather weakly designed.

But i am excitde to see how the shitty LEGO-Heavy Scout Walker looks in the film!
Can only be a mess.

Don’t you mean a Northrop XB-35 flying wing?

Or a YB-49?

Or a Horten Ho 229 for that matter?

Ah yeah i ment this things. Flying wings…

ZkinandBonez said:

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2017/09/snokes-mega-class-star-destroyer-and-n-resistance-ship-revealed.html

Looks like a B-2 bomber to me. Does not look like a Star Wars stardestroyer. Even the J-type diplomatic barge looks better.

flametitan said:

I know he was joking, but I’d love to see telepathic-vow-of-silence Luke.

EDIT: NEW SHIPS. Look like an update Mon Calamari Design.

I do not like the ship design at all.
These little podracer like things and these, i dont know how to call it, little Nebulon Bs without the engine section don’t look like Star Wars ships.
And i am a little bit nervous about these “new mega stardestroyer rumors”.
The iconic star destroyer design was already messed up with the “Finaliser”.