THX11384EB

SilverWook said:

Ever feel like screaming your head off for no reason? ;)

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/325198-could-the-original-unaltered-star-wars-be-on-its-way-to-blu-ray/page-9

Post #163 >_<

Agreed. That guy said it[Lucas' changes] "kept the integrity of the film."

I am not sure what integrity he is referring to; all the changes made me cringe and scratch my head. I can understand if someone were to say that the changes reflected Lucas' original vision for the film, e.g. that certain sequences were put back in logical order before the studio put their hands on it. But I cannot understand how injecting CGI into the film, or opening up the claustrophobic setting with windows and cathedral-like spaces, helped preserve the quality of it.

I really felt the changes were afterthoughts and/or desperate measures, i.e. they took the opportunity of digitizing it to splash CGI here and there in hopes of "revitalizing" an old Sci-Fi flick the new generation might enjoy. For example, the car chase was unnecessary and was only done to make it more exciting. The rat to scorpion-thingy made me laugh. But the biggest desecration in my opinion was how the underground world no longer felt small and confined; instead, it felt large and expansive. I guess in this sense "integrity" means impaired judgement.

SilverWook said:

Mutated rodents of unusual size? ;)

poita said:

Princess Bride?

I could be wrong but from what I remember they never filmed anything with a Dianog; the problem was Lucas could not figure out what it should look like.

I'll check out my SW material for the actual reference.

1991 US LD and 1997 Bravo TV are the same source; the 2004 DVD R1 and 2010 Blu A/B/C are the same source as the 1992 UK LD.

The implication is that the original source was lost/damaged/whatever, and so they used the same source that was used in the 1992 UK LD.

Oh, sorry about that. It's on page 20 near the bottom:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/THX-1138-preservations-Italian-Cut-available-see-1st-post/topic/11741/page/20/

AntcuFaalb said:

SilverWook: Is the Japan LD of THX 1138 better than the US LD? Is it a different transfer?

Hi there. If you jump back to page 21, you'll find that msycamore posted a great deal of information regarding this:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/THX-1138-preservations-Italian-Cut-available-see-1st-post/topic/11741/page/21/

Make sure you check out msycamore's other link:

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=541751

bilditup1 said:

THX11384EB said:

Are images 1_00072.jpg and 1_00073.jpg mislabeled in the Google+ album?

Yeah, it looks like the second one is much darker and less detailed. But I don't think they're mislabeled - the model of the Falcon in the second screenshot is clearly the older one. I guess ya can't account for the way the 2004 edition was colortimed, whatsoever...

Or, ya know, I'm totally wrong :)

No, that seems like a reasonable answer. It just stood out as I was quickly going through the comparison shots; the remastered looks like a fantastic upgrade throughout.

Are images 1_00072.jpg and 1_00073.jpg mislabeled in the Google+ album?

One last thing. I figured this might be of interest since it's related to THX-1138 and could be used an extra bonus material.

It is 1971, THX 1138 was released on March 11, American Zoetrope is spiraling towards certain doom, Lucas has become even more disillusioned with Hollywood than he was during his stint on McKenna’s Gold, and where exactly things go from here for the upstart and its members is all up in the air. And while American Zoetrope and Coppola had slowly started to cause waves — mostly due to THX’s failure as it were, though also because Coppola wasn’t afraid of touting American Zoetrope a state-of-the-art facility which could outmatch Hollywood, and that the company (and thus himself) was the future of filmmaking — Lucas was little more than a promising student who had made an obscure sci-fi film which opened small and died fast.

During the summer of ’71, as all of this is happening, Gene Youngblood interviewed the then 27-year-old Lucas for a Los Angeles-based educational TV station, KCET in an hour-long program called George Lucas: Maker of Films.

This was taken from an article found here:

http://binarybonsai.com/2009/06/20/george-lucas-maker-of-films-1971/

Here is a direct download-link to the video of the interview:

http://binarybonsai.com/files/georgelucas-makeroffilm.mp4

Oh, and have you guys checked out this:

http://www.worldcat.org/title/thx-1138/oclc/56520465/editions?start_edition=1&sd=desc&referer=di&se=yr&editionsView=true&fq=

It's database of all the formats and editions of THX-1138.

Have you guys already seen this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VHS-Pelicula-THX-1138-George-Lucas-Edicion-1989-cine-VHS-THX-1138-/180736843036?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_186&hash=item2a14c15d1c

It says 1989 with a run-time of approximately 88 minutes.

I also forgot to mention that my sister's best friend now lives in Italy. I requested that she look for the Italian Laserdisc version of the film along with any other format besides the current DC version.

ChainsawAsh said:

The most important part of that message is this:

If you wish us to transfer copyrighted material, only one copy can be made for preservation or backup purposes and you are required by law to be (and continue to be) the owner of the original media.

That means, if they do it, and you're caught redistributing the ("one and only") copy, you (or they) could get in to trouble over it.

Yeah, lol, I purposely chose not to direct my thoughts on that segment as I assumed it didn't matter in our case. I figured there could be 'ways' around that given the fact we would be creating a fan-edit(preservation) of the film that is not officially available.

But I might be very wrong with that assumption, and what people here are pursuing is either clear of any copyright issues or I am completely missing the obvious.

Hey guys,

Thanks for the welcoming! The company I was going to use: http://www.film2hd.com/

They have a copyright page that states the following:

Our Copyright

International copyright applies to the vast majority of DVDs we produce. See the bottom corner on the back of your DVD.

Unauthorized reproduction, copying, or rental of this recording in any form is strictly prohibited by law. All rights reserved. Made in Canada.”

Your Materials

If you wish us to transfer copyrighted material, only one copy can be made for preservation or backup purposes and you are required by law to be (and continue to be) the owner of the original media.

I'm not sure how you guys read that, but this is how I see it... If you have a DVD/Bluray produced by them, you are then obliged to follow their copyright. More importantly, if you own the THX-1138 16mm print, you are allowed to backup the film using their services for -KEYWORD- preservation. Of course contacting them to confirm this would be the first step. If you chose this route, I will help finance the means of preservation using this company or any other.

SilverWook said:

I won the original auction . The only other bidder didn't outgun me by very much. I suspect it was some bearded guy living on a ranch in Northern California. ;)

Close, I do not have a beard nor do I live on a ranch... but I do live in California.

I am sorry that I had a bidding war with you, I just now discovered this thread and realized that we were bidding on the same item for the same reasons.

I had planned to transfer the 16mm to a Bluray using a company that does transfers to HD, plus retouching if the film is damaged. Again, I had no idea there was a project already in the works; I would have saved you a few bucks had I known you were part of this preservation project.

Any ways, I am a huge fan of the film, have various material relating to it. I have the Japanese LD, a few of the previously mentioned VHS copies, 3 (varying conditions) of the mylar cop poster, 1 of the LUH mylar poster, the presskit, and lots of other smaller items.

Its great to see there is much enthusiasm in preserving the original cut, as I am a fan of that cut over the rest. I am always on the lookout for international versions of the film, or any differing version of the film for that matter. So hopefully I can assist somewhere down the line if I find anything now that I know where to go.