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Matt_Stevens said:

I don't care that the PC crowd has frowned on the terminology. It is what it is. 

PC crowd? The term by definition means sexual violation. You're indeed correct it is what it is but you do not seem to understand what it is, which could be due to any number of factors.

Feallansaid:

Poor grain sure as hell didn't give consent. :(

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it might lack cognition which would make consent quite a tough notion to tackle, as well as an emotional system to feel the horror of that sort of violation (not to mention a sexual system to violate).


Oh wait, how silly of me, you guys where making a joke. I guess my close encounter with rape, and the rapes my friend's have had to survive, is pretty good material to draw from (especially the PTSD). I should just stop being a prude and chillax about the whole thing I guess. Would you like some details of what it's like so that you can make your jokes even more gut bustlingly juvenil- eer hilarious? 

Sure! It might have a few sections lacking dialog vs. the English versions that can work with : ).

Update: another kind member here provided me with the theatrical LD's PCM track via a bit-perfect transfer, so I'm all set where that is concerned. All I need now is your SLV audio transfer and I'll have every version of the film's soundtrack that's appeared on home video (VHS aside of course) to use towards my edit : D.

Matt_Stevens said:

Only Trek II avoided grain raping.

 You use that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means.

Excellent! I certainly appreciate the assistance : ).

On a related note, do you have the theatrical letterbox LD in addition to the SLV?

Where are you going to find a machine that costs less than 2k USD? The tapes themselves are a good price but the machines are quite costly.

I'd encourage those who do have some spare funds to contribute to this, as no theatrical preservation has been done for any Trek film in regards to the original colortiming.

Here is a gallery of pictures that were taken during a showing of the print in question: http://jpegbay.com/gallery/003943756-24.html

If you compare this to the colortiming of the BLU-RAY or the DVD, you'll notice it is quite different (more of a natural look).

Star Trek 1 & 2, as well as the SLV of Star Trek 1 if anyone has captured that.

At risk of sounding naive, where might one procure the soundtracks listed in this thread? Would I have to PM each author or is there another option?

FanFiltration:

I'm curious if you still have your copy of the SLV LD's audio track? I'm currently working on my own version of this film and am seeking a hgher quality source than the low-bitrate DD tracks included in the DVD release. I'd use the one in your edit however I prefer working with lossless copies if possible.

If you want to see the detail, here is a link to a 220MB MOV that showcases the restoration work. I've recolortimed the shot to remove the elevated black level (artifact of optical compositing) while still keeping most of the detail (something the blu-ray's colorist didn't seem to care about), and adding a bit of green to the cruisers as they seem to be green in most other shots save for this one.

Here is the link! The levels in this video are PC and not video, btw.

https://app.box.com/s/sgmebk8xrrooe2vb2a6u

Yes that area at the top is extra info from the BLU-RAY; different scans were used for the BLU and the HDTV (I believe the HDTV scan was the same as the one used for the Director's Edition DVD).

Here is the K'tinga reveal. The Blu-Ray had crushed blacks, a few clipped highlights, and the grading was such that the V'ger cloud was rendered very dark and grainy. I've taken information from the HDTV broadcast to supplement the Blu-Ray, resulting in this composite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCn2RZkfeNc

I think I've arrived at a process that achieves a good balance between alignment and time spent. Here is my first composite using the process, and while the clip hasn't been color timed, it's pretty close. It uses the shadows and highlights from the HDTV broadcast and the mid-tones from the blu-ray. The HDTV clip was put through a good amount of noise reduction, and a nice layer of film grain was added to the final result (can't really make it out in the youtube encode).

http://youtu.be/I64atQCpKYU

Thoughts?

If you know someone with a NUKE license you could ask them to try using the matchgrade node on a few clips.

Y'all need to keep in mind that none of the transfers are really representative of a release print or negative simply due to the drastically different color spaces consumer video and film use, and the evolving methods of mapping film colors to consumer video color spaces. These sorts of factors will drastically effect the look of the resultant transfer.

Buuuump!

I've started dabbling with this project again, and have hit a snag: I'm trying to conform the geometry of the blu-ray scan with that of the scan used for the HDTV broadcast. Timing wise clips match up perfectly, however the geometry of the frame is somewhat different due to the different scans.

Does anyone have some advise on how I would be able to align the two video clips successfully using After Effects? This is important as a lot of the blu-ray footage is missing highlight and shadow information due to it being clipped out by the colorist.

IMHO, a DCP is worthwhile in its own right for internal purposes, but when it comes to distributing to the public you could get the size down to 50GB and retain the expanded colorspace, subsampling, & bit-depth of a DCP if you used x264. 

I don't understand the desire for a blu-ray level 50gb file; you most likely won't be able to notice the difference! Most films on a BD50 only take up 25 to 35 GB on the disc after special features and aux audio tracks...

If you're going to spend the time and resources to create that big of a file, why not make actual use of the extra space and create something that exceeds blu-ray (circa 2008)? Hell, create a 264 encode with 2K resolution that uses P3 color space @ 4:2:2, 10 bit, and you have a file that'd be worth downloading due to it looking better than any Blu-Ray. 

Honestly, in the above images the blu-ray (top image?) shows better shadow detail as well as gamma... in the bottom image it almost looks like detail in the cloud is being blown out.

What are you using to monitor your video? Are you running scopes in your grading software to avoid clipping or crushing?

For the high quality file, encode to 10 bit 4:2:2 HD for video, and 16bit/48Khz FLAC (shaped dither) for the audio tracks. That level of quality would be professional level/optimal for future fan edits, show-able on large screens, and would make a 50GB MKV justifiable.

Please do not waste time and data encoding the audio to DTSMA as it's efficiency is somewhat below FLAC, or rendering to anything higher than 16bit/48Khz as that'd be sheer waste.

I'd say the stereo version would be preferred however I honestly cannot say without having a look at the tracks.

I unfortunately do not have LD equipment with which to process the discs. I'm curious if a fellow member has a LD of this film and the tech to rip it, or maybe doesn't own the LD but would be willing to rip. 

While I’ve been enjoying the Blu-Ray a great deal due to the fantastic image quality presented, I’ve found the audio to be very much lacking in several areas. When I compare the tracks to the truncated CD release from the 80’s the score sounds very unbalanced in terms of frequency response, with some cues having very scratchy (or missing) highs, booming bass, and a lot of time or phase issues, with the instruments blending together during the busy passages. This is also a problem on the complete soundtrack release from 2009 as that release was created from a scan of the film print. I’ve tried my best to recut and remaster the soundtrack using the original CD release, but the CD doesn’t cover the full score.

Given that Koyaanisqatsi was a low budget production, it’s my theory that an older release might offer better quality on the audio side of things as the film wouldn’t have become deteriorated as much at the time of scanning. From what I can tell, the two USA laserdiscs were made in the late 80s and offer digital audio tracks (made 5 years after its release vs. 30 years).

If anyone has this LD and would be kind enough to do a bit-perfect rip of the score, I’d be glad to cut it as a stereo flac for syncing to the blu-ray as well as preform any restoration work that may be required. Completion of this would be of significance due to the importance the soundtrack plays in this film, not to mention the lack of stereo sound on the blu-ray.

Let me know!

I saw a fresh 70mm print of 2001 in the Seattle Cinerama last month. Two observations:

-Smilebox looks nothing like what one sees in the cinema, simply due to the differences between having the curve in the center of one's vision vs. in the peripheral.

-The color was, to my memory, close to the blu-ray (though it's hard to judge as the gamut of film is somewhat larger than REC709).

 Then  there is this photo...You seriously can't be seriously expecting people to take it like a Filipino hooker when we got cock teased like this.... (open photo in new tab. I don't feel like shrinking the fucker.)

What an absolutely vile thing to say. I didn't know it was okay in this forum to make light of the harsh realities that sex work imposes upon those who have little choice in the matter.

Are you one of those folks who enjoys dishing out sex (most likely mixed with violence) to those who most likely do not want it, like it, or who've been enslaved since childhood to receive it? Do you think it's funny?

I have reference display calibrated using a Minolta CS2000, so I'd be willing to help check the grade if you'd like.