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#997269
Topic
THX 1138 1971 'Flat' Theatrical version preservation.
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poita said:
I recently purchased and scanned a 1971 US print of THX 1138.

Was this a first-step run-through for a check of what’s there? If not, what sort of dial-twiddling was done this far? And how much further do you take it before the next step of digital enhancement?

Theoretically, do all films go through the maximal scan (guessing that would be individual R-G-B passes at highest pixel depth with full normalization)?

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#997013
Topic
Felix the Cat 1919-1930 early film shorts preservation
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For example, this code:

||. . .||. . .||. . .||. . .||
|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|
| **year** | | **date** | | **title** | | **source** | | **source picture** |
| 1919 || 11/09 || Feline Follies || brand-x || ![](http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1deIo_yV_KyimAO7py4_RUBfJX8HVQ7u5KERKAlym9vmDHwJ-) |
| 1919 || 11/16 || The Musical Mews || brand-x || ![](http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1deIo_yV_KyimAO7py4_RUBfJX8HVQ7u5KERKAlym9vmDHwJ-) |
| 1919 || 12/14 || The Adventures of Felix || brand-x || ![](http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1deIo_yV_KyimAO7py4_RUBfJX8HVQ7u5KERKAlym9vmDHwJ-) |
| 1920 || 01/25 || A Frolic with Felix || brand-x || ![](http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1deIo_yV_KyimAO7py4_RUBfJX8HVQ7u5KERKAlym9vmDHwJ-) |
| 1920 || 02/22 || Felix the Big Game Hunter || brand-x || ![](http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1deIo_yV_KyimAO7py4_RUBfJX8HVQ7u5KERKAlym9vmDHwJ-) |

produces this table:

. . . . . . . . . . . .
year date title source source picture
1919 11/09 Feline Follies brand-x
1919 11/16 The Musical Mews brand-x
1919 12/14 The Adventures of Felix brand-x
1920 01/25 A Frolic with Felix brand-x
1920 02/22 Felix the Big Game Hunter brand-x

Nicer formatting isn’t implemented yet (for example, I had to use periods to make spacer columns; there’s no specifying picture size (had to find a small picture), and so on. All considered, though, it does get the information into a post.

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#996886
Topic
Felix the Cat 1919-1930 early film shorts preservation
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Since you already have it in spreadsheet form, manually putting it in the forum would be arduous work. I wonder if an export script could write out your spreadsheet as text, pre-formatted for this forum’s style of rows and columns, ready to copy-&-paste into one of your preserved, update posts?

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#996801
Topic
Felix the Cat 1919-1930 early film shorts preservation
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Whoa, nice project! Most of us have absolutely no idea until someone points it out.

If I can suggest more work for you, 😃, would you also specify sources for these listed shorts? I’m constantly seeing collections of old Public Domain cartoons in store sale bins. It would help to know what you have identified from particular film, videotape, DVD, and Internet media (YouTube, et al) links. It would give topic watchers the chance of catching shorts not on your list. And show pictures, too, of package front/back covers (where applicable).

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#996550
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Laserdisc viewing and capturing best current info?
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If you don’t mind lots-of-reading research, AntcuFaalb delves into hardware and technical solutions for top quality laserdisc capturing. Things one may never consider is what he seeks to correct in the capture chain (and they all add up).

Probably the best way is a very narrow Google search of OriginalTrilogy’s AntcuFaalb posts containing the word laserdisc. Copy this line into Google’s text-search area:

site:http://originaltrilogy.com/user/AntcuFaalb/id/10643 laserdisc

From those results, you can preview his postings and then get back to their original threads for context.

Enjoy! 😃

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#996358
Topic
THX on 35mm Tech IB preservation - HELP NEEDED
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Mavimao said:
I’ve always thought that the 1978 and the 1983 versions are the same.

I once came across “proof” of the opposite (although I didn’t know it at the time) when going through a bunch of old, recorded TV broadcasts on Beta tape. In the space between half-hour sections of the tape, there was one recording partially over-writing the front end of … THX 1138 (full-screen). I didn’t think much of it then (the tapes were full of re-tapings) but wondered when it was. Playing a bit of it found a station commercial for the 1984 Super Bowl (or some other, annual sports event).

More important is that the SEN & children scene was complete, even though GL’s 1983 version (now for TV and commercial videotape & laserdisc) had that scene edited-down. (NOTE: that means George Lucas himself cut it out for the 1983 release, as I once speculated in the original THX 1138 thread.) The 1984 Beta-tape TV broadcast was GL’s 1978 release (only for theaters & TV stations) that was still broadcast into 1983+. Years later recordings on other TV-recording tapes had only the edited-down scene. Clearly, all the stations had the updated (edited-down scene) movie by then and showed nothing else.

I’ll track down that tape again to glean addition details, now that we have more and newer information.

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#996135
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THX on 35mm Tech IB preservation - HELP NEEDED
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SilverWook said:
He fiddled with it again in 2010?

Yep … but not as badly (or not as obvious badly).

(I spent way too much time trying to find a post I made [3 1/2 years ago!] that had all the commercial media versions compared [for another reason]. Finally found it back on page 53 of THX 1138 "preservations" (the original thread after a few title changes) only to re-discover all the pictures were originally hosted on ImageShack and were trashed in it’s overhaul. So, sorry, I can’t show the samples.)

The 2010 BR was tinted slightly but noticeably different than the 2004 DVD in that comparison. But I never had a chance to find what else was “touched up” from 2004.

The title card has always looked blown out to me on older THX releases, but that may have been baked into whatever source George had available in 1971.

The YouTube snapshot was clearly from the 2000 DVD (which should’ve been public domain even during GL’s 1st film). I don’t know about earlier Beta/VHS videotape or laserdisc. The film clip GL used must’ve been in the same only-fair shape. Surely Lucas would consider it, in that condition (noticeably old media with an old vision of the future that was a “tragedy”), an appropriate opening to his film.

Earliest commercial media might indicate more B&W spectrum (as in the 2009 Buck Rogers DVD restoration) in the clip Lucas used. If so, a special-adjustments scan might help bring that out for a film restoration. Just a thought.

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#996002
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THX on 35mm Tech IB preservation - HELP NEEDED
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poita said:
We can confidently now quantify the changes between the 1971 and 1978/Home Video releases, which up until this point were not known/recorded.

From your information, what do say about my theory of THX & Evolution (said with a lisp):

version 1 - 1970 (88m?)
the Lucas original & finished cut of THX 1138
(un-released when it was taken away from him by Warner)

version 1.WB - 1971 (86m?)
the Warner Bros.’ re-edit
(released to theaters with 4 min. removed - a flop)
(sequence re-ordering?)

version 1 - 1978 (88m?)
back to Lucas’ original & finished cut
(released to theaters & TV broadcasts [16mm] under Lucas’ terms after Star Wars success - a flop)

version 2 - 1983 (86m)
Lucas’ next edit
(re-edited for TV broadcasts & home video [LD, Beta, VHS, CED] - builds to cult status)
(less some SEN shots; sequence re-ordering?)

version 3 - 2004 (88m)
Lucas’ next edit
(added Computer Graphics & re-coloring, sequence re-ordering, and out-takes for TV broadcasts & home video [DVD] - cult status)

version 4 - 2010 (88m)
Lucas’ next edit
(added tweaks of coloring, etc., for TV broadcasts & home video [Blu-ray] - cult status)

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#995948
Topic
THX on 35mm Tech IB preservation - HELP NEEDED
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poita said:
… a few things about … THX’s history.
According to imdb, the theatrical version had a segment from the S/F-film “Things to Come” (1936). False …

It’s probably my fault, but that is no longer in IMDb, under Alternate Versions, where I challenged the credulity of that entry … effectively. 😄

Here is the present entry:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066434/alternateversions
where there is nothing under the last line – “THX is attacked by new CGI shell dwellers at the end on his way out.

Here was a 2015 entry:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150329074845/http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066434/alternateversions
with that wrong information as the last line – “In the original release the movie includes a one minute clip from Things to Come (1936) before the opening credits. When re-released in the late-1970’s this clip was replaced by a clip from the serial Buck Rogers (1939).

(sorry if this steps on anyone’s toes, here, who may have added that entry, there) 😃

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#995910
Topic
THX Italian 35mm - Feedback thread
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poita said:
I need another 1GB of hosting space. If a couple of people could use infinit with my referral, it will get me the extra space …
https://infinit.io/?referral=poita
… a very useful file storage service …

My system is locked up (in ways Microsoft never intended). 😄 Unfortunately, it won’t let anything into non-browser areas. If there’s no rush, I’ll image my system, drop the shields, and sign up. It should install normally and Infinit will give you some more storage. Then I’ll put my image back in place – kind of like Back To The Future, only in reverse.

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#993512
Topic
Alien/Aliens Color Regrade
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tommodore64 said:

“Anne Hurd: It’s a funny thing. Back then, Jim didn’t have color correction in his contract. When the first VHS [of Aliens] was made, the color timer decided it should be warm! We had dinner with [Rupert] Murdoch and they deep-sixed 250,000 VHS copies so Jim could color correct it.”

Whoa! Nice find!

Could this mean that the first release (VHS only?) was definitely Cameron’s only “original vision” color-correction (as opposed to more, later revised, color-corrections)? It also begs the question … did any of those 1st, wrong VHS’s leak out into the market?

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#991584
Topic
THX Italian 35mm - Feedback thread
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With a nothing Avisynth script, I just checked the file itself … to be sure. And it looked fine (no ghosting)! Double checked the file directly and no ghosting, too. I’m glad of that, but …

After stripping away individual statements to check that sequence (it was a pain on this under powered laptop), the problem turned out to be a 24fps “conversion” instead of a 24fps “setting”. (Who would’ve thought 24fps-to-24fps would produce a rounding error instead of being “transparent”? Well, at least I’m good at finding bugs.)

Hope I caught this soon enough to prevent any inconvenience on your end.

Of course, now, I must verify all my previous synchronizations …

UPDATE: The frame numbers of that sequence match with the script correction in place. Complete disaster averted!

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#991502
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Encryption - You Need It (open-source & free proves best)
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Do you use secured (encrypted) communications? You should … for a lot of reasons. And one of the best solutions to keeping your communications and files and computer secure is originally from the PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) software by Phil Zimmerman. It started decades ago and today it has kept up.

New documents reveal which encryption tools the NSA couldn’t crack
http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/28/7458159/encryption-standards-the-nsa-cant-crack-pgp-tor-otr-snowden

“The most impressive news to come out of the dump is that, as of 2012, certain emails and chats were still indecipherable by the NSA database when they had been encrypted with the right tools. Reports describe “major problems” following users across the Tor network, or deciphering messages sent through heavily encrypted email providers like Zoho. The agency reported similar problems when deciphering files that had been encrypted with TrueCrypt, an open-source disk-encryption program that was discontinued earlier this year. PGP encryption tools and OTR chat encryption also caused major problems for the agency, causing entire messages to disappear from the system, leaving only the message: ‘No decrypt available for this PGP encrypted message.’”

Now if you are using one of the PGP softwares, a “flaw” was recently discovered in the random number generator and was quickly fixed. So be sure to look for an update to your software. Here is what Security Now! reported:

Securtity Now! Our weekly audio security column & podcast by Steve Gibson and Leo Laporte
https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm

Routers & Micro Kernels - A critical flaw is discovered in the RNG of GnuPG
https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-574.htm

“So some security researcher discovered what they call a “critical vulnerability.” And we’ll back off of that a little bit here when I explain what it is because it isn’t the end of the world, and it’s been fixed, in the random number generator inside GnuPG, and also Libgcrypt. And those apps have been around since 1998. And so essentially it’s just been patched. But any version of GPG earlier than August 17th, that is, last week, is vulnerable.”

For Windows users, the Gpg4Win software just released a new version with this fix.

News 2016-08-18 - Gpg4win 2.3.3 released
https://gpg4win.org/

Version 2.3.3 released 2016-08-18
https://gpg4win.org/change-history.html

“The cryptography library libgcrypt has been updated to version 1.6.6 to include a fix a problem with the random number generator.”

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#990729
Topic
The Sukaiwaka Fortress — The Hidden Fortress with a Star Wars score
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Good that you caught that. I once read of Lucas and Williams and the original Star Wars music where it stated that Lucas specifically wanted wall-to-wall music. His previous experience with American Graffiti was to make an environment of a time and place. Clearly, he liked it and continued it, only bigger, in Star Wars.

Forgive my over-thinking this but … what about traditional Japanese instruments (Shamisen) playing Star Wars? 😄


Opening Titles
Opening Titles continued - more instruments
The Dark Side
Cantina
The Throneroom
End Titles - more instruments

and you could cross-fade between Shamisen and full Star Wars symphony (it would probably work best only at the start and end of the film).

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#990279
Topic
can someone fix some color issues dirt and black levels the new 30th anniversary blu ray of transformers the movie?
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The problem with this Blu-ray screenshot seems typical with many hi-def releases today – they narrow and darken the spectrum to “boost” it’s apparent saturation. Just look at all that wasted spectrum!

Why? Beats me, but they ruin the picture and make it look artificial (the same with live action).

Anyway, from this one sample, it looks eminently fixable even to the point of making Hot Rod red (just my guess from reading that review). All one would need is a proper color reference for the characters.

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#990260
Topic
can someone fix some color issues dirt and black levels the new 30th anniversary blu ray of transformers the movie?
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High-Def Digest: The Transformers: The Movie - 30th Anniversary Edition - Joshua Zyber (August 31, 2016) wrote:

Back in 2007, the film was released on Blu-ray in the UK. However, no domestic version appeared on the format until now.

The 30th Anniversary Edition Blu-ray is offered in two packaging options, either a standard keepcase with reversible cover art and a slipcover, or a Limited Edition SteelBook. A DVD version is available separately.

‘Transformers: The Movie’ has had a long and troubled history on home video. From VHS to Laserdisc to DVD and now Blu-ray, the film’s distribution rights have changed hands a number of times, both domestically and abroad. Every new label does a new video transfer for it, and no two have ever looked quite the same, with major variances in aspect ratio and color.

Black levels are very elevated and washed-out, which is really problematic for a movie with a lot of scenes in outer space. The image is fairly soft, especially the opening credit text, and the source elements suffer from the appearance of dirt, dust and specks throughout.

The colors in this movie have always been difficult to get right for some reason … This is most evident in the character of Hot Rod, who’s supposed to be a solid red sports car. … In the Shout! Factory transfer, he’s a dull pink. In this regard, the Blu-ray matches the Sony BMG DVD, but the color seems really odd and out-of-place for the character.

The Blu-ray offers the movie’s soundtrack in two options, either lossless DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0 or DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1. … Both sound like garbage, one slightly less than the other, but I can’t blame Shout! Factory for that. ‘Transformers: The Movie’ has always had a lousy sound mix.

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#989982
Topic
THX Italian 35mm - Feedback thread
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I just made a paint program proof-of-concept fix, which handles this easily and hopefully universally, as is. With your far superior software, it can be completely automated and perfectly seamless. (I just love technology.)

TOP - original frames 54882 54883 54884
BOTTOM - frame 54883, differenced by frame 54884 (at 12% opacity), then brightness normalized

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#989959
Topic
The GOUT Sync Thread
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Actually, the free, open source, multi-platform project Audacity can change the speed without changing the pitch … called tempo:

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#989746
Topic
THX Italian 35mm - Feedback thread
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EDIT: false alarm (script bug; see discovery post below)
This is something that I was seeing, but not registering, while concentrating on the films’ alignment and the missing frames on one film or the other. I came across it again on a wide brightness variation across a cut. Yes, it’s a problem and it needs fixing … across the entire film!

In this exemplary sequence of frames, with different brightness levels in different parts of the picture, it is easy to see that only the frame immediately before the cut is ghosted with the incoming frame. (This should be impossible with printing equipment that made these films, but is possible with software in the scanning and post-scanning processes [stabilization, et al].) Also note that the reverse is not true – that is, on the other side of the cut, there is no ghosting from the outgoing frame onto it. And this phenomenon occurs on both 35mm and 16mm, which further reinforces the supposition of it happening from the scan on forward.

Please check this out on the actual film and tell me I’m wrong, that it’s Avisynth, or Media Player Classic HC, or undiagnosed double-vision.

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