Slavicuss

A second LEGACY video includes more (very) interesting outtakes.

A nice, unused shot of Vader, meeting the bounty hunters - a rather revealing moment for Boba (probably the most vigilant of the bounty hunters - he seems to have eyes in the back of his head). And a much better (but brief) look at Dengar’s facial scarring make-up. Pity the outtake has been (conveniently?) split with a sh*tload of missing frames.

Must be the VERY FIRST TIME material has been released from the Bounty Hunters line-up scene?

jedi_bendu said:
Unless you’re thinking of a totally different death scene for Han than carbon-freezing-gone-wrong?

Roasted on a spit in “Golden Rod’s” honour.

I think Lucas painted himself into a corner by giving each film a numerical chapter. There could have been endless STAR WARS films made and set before and after the original 1977 film - ALL legit STAR WARS films, without having to be spin-offs (ROGUE ONE, SOLO, etc) - and using John Williams.

To truly get that “degenerate” vibe, intercut some hardcore STAR WARS porn scenes into the Jabba’s palace and sail barge scenes. Gotta have some sex scenes in there to go with the drunken revellers.

I’ve never seen the original theatrical versions of STAR WARS (1977) or THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK on the big screen - only the SE Trilogy, in 1997. But, I did get to see RETURN OF THE JEDI in late 1983.

I wouldn’t pay to see these films again unless they were the original theatrical versions.

Both 1983 & 1997 versions suck.

(1983) A pale imitation of the cantina band from the original film - let down by an unconvincing lead-singing puppet in a grass skirt and sporting hooker lips.

(1997) A grotesque, expanded and ‘improved’ version of the scene - with even more phoney looking CGI garbage thrown in and pointless cut-away shots to ‘ladies’ man’ Boba Fett. Sh*t.

Nicely done! Already much improved over the (intentional?) shoddy quality as presented on Blu-ray.

Sky_ said:

does the AFTER Image Look Fake??? as its CG
Thanks

The eye looks ‘dead’ - like doll’s eyes.

StarkillerAG said:

Slavicuss said:

I only asked about the cut Walrus Man decapitation scene because the severed arm gif reminded me of some pics I found online.

It appears the film’s violence was originally stronger, before being toned down to appeal to a family audience.

Actually, it was the reverse. Lucas intended the movie as a relatively light, family friendly film, but added the scenes of the burning homestead and Walrus Man’s death in order to secure a PG rating. On set of the movie, they filmed the severed arm shot, but it didn’t look right. They experimented with having Ben cut his head off, before deciding to just reshoot the severed arm.

The original severed arm? Would that be the weird, cup/bowl-like hand, instead of the hairy paw that’s in the final film? I think I saw footage of the original version somewhere, or maybe it was a b/w pic?

StarkillerAG said:

Slavicuss said:

Good clean, wholesome, family entertainment.

It actually is though. Like it or not, the movie was made with kids as a main part of the target audience. That’s a big part of the reason why it’s so popular, people of all ages can enjoy it. They just added those two random gory parts to prevent the movie getting a G rating, which would hurt its chances with adult audiences.

Was Walrus Man’s severed head also filmed?

I think it was, I clearly remember seeing footage of it online. It ended up being cut though, so it doesn’t really matter.

I only asked about the cut Walrus Man decapitation scene because the severed arm gif reminded me of some pics I found online.

It appears the film’s violence was originally stronger, before being toned down to appeal to a family audience.

Smoking or non-smoking?

Good clean, wholesome, family entertainment.

Was Walrus Man’s severed head also filmed?

Almost none of the original deleted material belongs in the films … the CGI junk, even less so.

Fang Zei said:
Maybe just maybe they’re saving the long sought after unaltereds for last.

If nothing happens in 2027, you’ll have your answer.

alter said:
Also wondering… was any video ever released of the royal guards crossing staves in front of Vader? It mirrors/adds foreshadowing to the shot of the Gamorreans barring Luke’s entry. It’s been so many years, I can’t recall where I saw/read about that.

Isn’t that from the deleted scene where Darth Vader almost strangles Moff Jerjerrod? Or is that (crossing staves) from another deleted scene?

It’ll NEVER happen.

The prequel novelisations expand and improve upon the (disappointing) films.

ray_afraid said:

why use a primitive one when you can have a modern one?

Fresh air is nice.

Not a ship but, no votes for the Ewok Hang Glider?

Best performance(s) in the OT? The actors portraying the Imperial Officers.

As a poster already noted, they’re very watchable.

Mark Hamill was earnest in his performances throughout the OT, but imo, never convinced as a Jedi Knight in RETURN OF THE JEDI. He was more believable as a farm boy.

Ian McDiarmid’s Emperor was variable. Very effective in some scenes, but corny in others. Never did enjoy the funny voice or cackling.

Carrie Fisher was effective - even when wasted (drugs).

Anthony Daniels and Peter Mayhew probably deserve the most praise.

ATMachine said:
One thing that’s to Lucas’ credit IMO is that he’s always been very worried about what sort of things might break audience immersion.

Like bad dialogue and poor acting?

ChainsawAsh said:

The 2015 Blu-Ray is solid, probably the best one out there and it has both cuts on the disc.

I used to like the extended cut but over time I’ve come to prefer the pacing of the theatrical. One of these days I’d like to do a hybrid cut with just a couple of extended cut scenes restored…

(FYI I’m talking about the primary extended cut; the Easter Egg one has the cheesy alternate ending, I think.)

The second extended cut has the deleted scene in John’s bedroom, with the T-1000, and the Michael Jackson reference/Planet of the Apes make-up for Linda Hamilton alternate ending.

I don’t like the deleted scene where John Conner is trying to teach the Terminator how to smile - Schwarzenegger looks like a horse.

As with STAR WARS’ 40th anniversary celebrations, THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK is shamefully unavailable (officially) in its original release form.

I see nothing here to celebrate.

Start at the beginning.

Original 1991 theatrical release first. If you enjoyed that, then treat yourself to the 1993 SE, and if you also liked that, spoil yourself with the *extended SE cut (a home video exclusive), that can be accessed by a code. The code (Judgement Day date) should be provided somewhere on the disc packaging.

• This cut is the same as the 1993 SE version - but with two additional scenes.

ATMachine said:
Looks like Leia’s Hoth hairstyle may have been different originally, with two long dangling plaits instead of a crown braid.

I think she also played a background extra (female rebel soldier). A completely different character to Leia - hence the different hairstyle - and costume.

digitalfreaknyc said:

Such sad news.

One thing that I, selfishly, immediately thought about was a conversation I had with him that was, I believe, sent through PM on facebook. He has videotape copies of the SW workprint in his storage. Not sure if it’s B&W or what but he said he had it.

I wonder what is going to happen to his archives now.

And I was selfishly thinking about his upcoming Bob Penn ALIEN book.

By “SW workprint” you mean he has/had videotape copies of “The Lost Cut”?

I just want the OOT. I have no interest in the SEs (1997 / 2004 / 2011 / 2019).