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#1050331
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Personally I’m cutting the Rathtars quite a bit, but I don’t hate them and it would make sense to leave them alone in this “Gentle Restructure”.

I can upload my Rathtar edit later, for reference.

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#1049943
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Hal 9000 said:

Excellent work. I think the only piece of the puzzle is some replacement score audio from Sir Ridley for the First Order appearing over Maz’s Castle.
EDIT: At least, I think that was the plan. I apologize; I’ve been busy with the actual, real job lately.

I think you’re right! At least that might be the biggest thing. About that scene, apart from adding “they’ve found us”, I need to know which edits you want and don’t want. Like the sunset, “those beasts”, etc.

NeverarGreat said:

I know that Sir Ripley was working on removing the timecode from the deleted scene so that it could be useable in this edit. Apart from that, I don’t know what the decision was on the Finn line edit. It can be rendered in full quality as well if there’s interest in using it.

Right, I haven’t tried much yet but I think it will be doable. Which Finn line do you mean, the one where Poe mentions the weapon system?

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#1043538
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I’d like to look into removing the braid (and timecode), but I don’t have the deleted scene to work on. I have the 3D Blu-ray, but for the moment no means to rip it to my computer. Anyone else? It can be left for later otherwise, it needs to be properly edited into the movie first I guess.

Edit: Got it. 😉

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#1043339
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I’m glad the crawl is appreciated! 😃

Jackpumpkinhead said:

so did you use these same type of techniques for your crawl?

I don’t know exactly how it was done for TFA but I used the same software and got a close match so it’s probably similar.

Basically it’s just a text layer in 3D gliding past a simulated camera with depth of field, and then there are small adjustments like blur and a slight gate weave motion added.

The prequels just had perfectly sharp steady digital text, but TFA emulated the old analog OT crawls for nostalgia, so I did that too.

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#1042875
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I rendered a crawl! Not lossless, but I’ll do that when the time comes to put everything together. I also included my edit of the stormtroopers in the troop transport ship. I didn’t like the glitchy flashy cutting, it didn’t feel very Star Wars to me, so I toned that down. Oh, and I’ve replaced the main theme with the recording from Episode I, which I prefer.

https://mega.nz/#!GVsGwahZ!nTU7CQLV13UfXPMMvdB2tsBIpuvPeSDloZtSB4LG5Qc

Kexikus said:

Having him ask that question out of nowhere wouldn’t work I think.
Maybe he could be the one who asks about Republic support but I think it’d work better if someone else were to ask that question.

Maybe Admiral Ackbar? With his puppety mouth inserting a new line somewhere could be possible.

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#1042703
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MalàStrana said:

Isn’t it possible to use 3PO to deliver the line in a way he would say “The Republic won’t send reenforcement/ships/fleet ? We are doomed !” ? (note that Daniels made 3PO voice in TCW, I wwonder if someone familiar enough with the show would know if there is a line to be taken from an episode)

Since he doesn’t have a mouth to sync to the line this would be the simplest solution. It should be possible to piece something together from all the voice work he’s done for TV, games etc.

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#1042696
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Hal 9000 said:

Haha, gorgeous. Yes, I would love to have you render out yours, even after tinkering with mine for so long. When someone with power tools offers to help, put down your hand tools. I would, however, request using the same font for the title as the theatrical version of TFA.

No problem! 😃 I’m changing it back to the theatrical font now, it’s probably for the best.

I watched a presentation by the guy in charge of graphics and holograms on TFA and he mentioned how they carefully mimicked the original crawls by replicating lens distortion, film gate weave and other things digitally.

Pretty interesting if you’re into that kind of stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFvSgg2-Yo

But of course it’s even cooler how they did it originally, by filming actual back lit text.
http://gagarin.tm/statics/images/post/gallery-1432667442-ep4-bts-13904866909.jpg

Anyway, I’ll tweak it just a bit more and then I guess I’ll try a render.

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#1042693
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Hal 9000 said:

And, Ridley, that looks great! I’m already able to render my own crawls, using JackPumpkinHead’s Blender template that mimics Adywan’s crawls. I just had to tweak the timing. BUT, if you wanted to render a version of yours, it couldn’t hurt for me to compare them and decide if either of them edges the other out. It’s up to you, though.

Sure, I can render a clip! I takes a while, so it might be better to save it for later in case you decide to change the text again. But I might render it anyway, I’ll link it here if I do.

I think technically my version looks a bit closer to the original one (after all, they used After Effects for the TFA crawl). I closely matched things such as the blur on the text in the distance.

http://i.imgur.com/3KBqQuu.png

I changed the font of the title to match the crawls of VI and I-III but I might change it back to the original again (IV, V, VII) as they will probably keep that one going forward.

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#1042198
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NeverarGreat said:

Bah, I’ve worked for hours on this, and nothing fits. It’s fine though, I’ve realized that ‘Finn’s familiar with the weapon system, he worked on the base’ is audibly identical to ‘Finn’s familiar with a weapon system, he worked on the base’.

So I’m fine with leaving it as it is, and leave it up to interpretation as to whether or not Leia was aware of its existence before this moment.

I think it’s pretty great. The mouth editing could be slightly better, it seems like the mouth moves down a bit at the beginning of “a weapon” and the shot looks a bit blurry (but maybe it was a bit out of focus to begin with?). Also the shot of Leia just before becomes choppy for a few frames, if you slowed it down it could use some frame blending to smooth it out.

It is a bit odd to just casually mentioning “the base” though, as if everyone involved knows there is one. Perhaps it could be changed to “their” base or “a” base?

I also like your idea on how to include the deleted scene, I think it could work well.

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#1039641
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Hal 9000 said:

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire, along with a secret weapon to secure their return to power.

Failing to convince the New Republic of this emerging threat, General Leia Organa mobilizes a covert RESISTANCE to gather allies from the farthest reaches of the galaxy.

Desperate for her brother’s help, Leia has sent her most trusted pilot on a daring mission to Jakku, where a clue has been discovered to Luke’s whereabouts…

I mostly like this, but…

“… along with a secret weapon to secure their return to power.
Failing to convince the New Republic of this emerging threat …”

Implying that Leia knows about SKB and is telling the New Republic? Hmm.

“General Leia Organa mobilizes a covert RESISTANCE to gather allies from the farthest reaches of the galaxy.”

Mobilizes a resistance to gather allies. I feel like these are variations of the same thing (get people together to oppose the First Order). Maybe something along the lines of “General Leia Organa gathers allies from the farthest reaches of the galaxy to form a covert RESISTANCE.”

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#1036228
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Hal 9000 said:

Could you post a clip? I’d be interested to see how it does with the music, before I get all my tools laid out again.

Will do.

https://youtu.be/NQ_r1ttBWhM

There’s a small hiccup in the audio 11 seconds in, but that’s a bug of some sort that can happen at an audio transition when exporting 5.1 surround to stereo, I’ll get rid of it later.

And also, Chewies arm can be seen briefly at the edge of the screen and he is seen in the crowd shot as well. Perhaps this could be covered up, to make it seem like he went straight inside.

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#1036204
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MalàStrana said:

I guess since Poe is mentionned it’s about time to also talk about the ending, when SKB is destroyed. I would then suggest again to get rid of all the cheers scenes and to directly cut to the bitter scene at the Resistance H.Q. So no “our job here is done” and no “Leia hugs Rey while Chewie is vanishing in the background”.

In my version I’ve done exactly this. “Our work here is done” is cut, and the Leia hug has been cropped to hide Chewie.

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#1036020
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MalàStrana said:

I’d be very interested to know more about your own edit since I believe TFA needs as much fanedit work as the PT (so something like removing around 20 minutes). When “Restructure v2.0” is released are you going to open your own thread ?

Optional:
Remove sunset TIE shot

Noooooooooo 😦

Regrade outdoor scenes to evening/sunset

Why not. TFA looks fine but it could look better.

Change Maz’s line “Those beasts! They’re here.”

My man 😃

Put back cool X-wing shots from trailers in the battle

Good call here. I know someone already made it in his own edit.

I guess I’ll open my own thread sooner or later, but for now I’ll stick to helping with Restructured. And about the changes, they are under “optional” because they are either unnecessary or controversial, so everyone will have to make up their own mind about them. Personally I’m thinking about removing the sunset, unless the grading of surrounding scenes make it more convincing. I might leave Maz’s line as it is, as it seems to make sense with the lone Star Destroyer, or possibly just remove “Those beasts!”. The extra X-wings are obviously not necessary for Restructured, but I put them in because it was mentioned earlier.

About my own edit, I’m not removing 20 minutes. So far I’ve removed about 2 minutes (mostly of the Rathtars, and some minor cuts). I think the movie is mostly great as it is, with some minor annoyances, so besides what HAL has already done I’m making small cuts, small additions, visual adjustments and other things where I feel it’s needed.

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#1035991
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About the Maz’s castle attack scene, here are the changes needed (as I see it now):

• Lone Star Destroyer
• Alternate music and sound
• “They’ve found us”

Optional:
• Remove sunset TIE shot
• Regrade outdoor scenes to evening/sunset
• Change Maz’s line “Those beasts! They’re here.”
• Put back cool X-wing shots from trailers in the battle

I tried the Kylo shuttle idea, it looks fine but doesn’t really work after all, so I’m on board with only the Star Destroyer. I’ll revise my edits and see what we get.

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#1034580
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Hal 9000 said:

I think the idea was removing, “They’re here,” avoids having it look like no one told Maz about the impending attack.

Well, technically, since the approaching TIEs were removed there is no certain attack, and even if they suspect an attack might be coming they have no idea when it’s happening or if they will be attacking the castle itself. So to me, “they’re here” is not about total surprise, but a sort of disbelief and shock that they are now actually HERE, at her home, attacking directly.

It could be removed, that’s something to try, but I feel like it works like it is.

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#1034298
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NeverarGreat said:

@Sir Ridley: Feel free to use this for your Kylo shuttle version if you’d like. I will probably upload the full AVI soon 😃

Thank you, I might! I feel like you could work a bit on the clouds, though. To me they seem a bit too transparent. I think it could look something like this: http://photorator.com/photos/images/land-of-the-rising-sun-clouds-over-mount-fuji-filled-with-the-colors-of-dawns-sunlight-by-rjapanpics-48090.jpg
Even the small clouds in front of the mountain just have some transparency at the edges, the rest is blocking the view.

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#1034268
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That’s true. I’ll keep working on a Kylo version for now, I’ll share when it’s done.

In regards to the rest of the scene I agree with keeping “those beasts”, and no intercutting. In regards to the controversial TIE sunset I guess there might have to be one version with and one without.

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#1034255
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About the lone Stardestroyer idea, and the in universe reason for it being there… I’m thinking it’s there to oversee the area, making sure nobody escapes with the droid, and to direct troops and TIEs below. Fair enough, seems logical.

But if it’s there and everyone sees it’s there, there’s no need to hide anything. Assuming Kylo is on this Stardestroyer, it would make sense for him to as soon as possible go for Rey and BB8. Why wouldn’t he fly out of this Stardestroyer rather than appear from nowhere later?

It also makes everything more relatable for the audience. Instead of asking why the Stardestroyer is there and who is on it and what is the point, they can see that it brought Kylo. Everyone knows Kylo and what he wants and what danger he represents so everything is made (seemingly) clear, logically and emotionally.

But sending out Kylo also hides the other, hidden purpose, which is the large scale attack, both in universe and to the audience. To me, seeing Kylo and him actually moving toward the heroes (as opposed to a ship just floating above) gives a bigger impact than a nameless Stardestroyer with an unknown mission.

If you don’t agree, of course I’ll help with whichever scenario you prefer.

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