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#1095644
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I’m working on the Leia effects (time code and braid removal) as well as the Maz sequence. The Maz sequence is mostly done, I just need to complete the sound mix. The Leia scene is more time consuming, so if that one is skipped for now V2 could probably be released earlier. I don’t mind finishing it though.

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#1083657
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

https://vimeo.com/221674605
password: snackbar

I still think Ackbar’s, and I can’t put enough quotes around what follows, “lip sync” works better without reversing that shot.

The reversed shot feels better, the turn to camera makes sense. Actually I think the “lip sync” for the line works well in this case, the odd thing is that his mouth moves a bit before the line. And the pause before he speaks feels like it’s a bit too long, half a second maybe. I feel like it breaks up the rhythm of the conversation, but it’s not a huge problem.

Anyway, the mouth movement before the line could be removed by inserting a still image of his closed mouth on top of the video, since he keeps his head pretty still during that part. I could do that.

Hal 9000 said:

Anyone have access to halfway decent and/or isolated 3PO and BB8 gyro/motor sound effects?

I just came across this video, there’s a lot of motor sounds here that could be extracted:
https://youtu.be/W6h4bV4_hxQ

Here too:
https://youtu.be/dVvWngFHHMk

And here’s a small pack of C-3PO sounds:
http://www.tk409.com/c3po/sounds.zip

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#1083495
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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NeverarGreat said:
How’s the timecode removal going? I only ask because the deleted scene is the last major thing I need to do right now.

There are a few tricky parts left, but it’s doable once I find the time to work on it some more.

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#1083477
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Sougouk said:

The voice was pretty clear amongst all the soundfx in the other surround channels. Though, I did notice a bit of extra soundfx from the Center channel. I don’t know how to build surround sound audio, so not sure if the Center channel can have other sounds when no speaking is present.

At least in this movie the center channel has the dialogue, sound effects that should be heard from the front and even a little bit of music.

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s my best attempt at implementing a revised X-wing sequence with Ackbar. Same as before, not perfect, but I don’t think anything stands out in a bad way.
https://vimeo.com/221590694
password: radio

That works nicely, I just think Ackbar’s voice should be processed to sound more radio like.

Glad to see everyone’s busy with interesting ideas! I’m currently trying to finish the Maz’s Castle sequence with a surround mix.

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#1078757
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The Force Awakens - Ridley's Edit
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MalàStrana said:

By the way you’re not going to revisit (or remove) Ren’s wrath ? I consider this scene very silly and DigMod had an interesting - albeit not perfect - on it.

I’ll think about it, but it will probably stay. If it can’t be changed seamlessly I’d rather leave it as it is, even if it’s a bit silly. I don’t really have a big problem with it.

EddieDean said:

Sounds fantastic. This’ll probably become my archival version. I don’t think TFA needs much changed at all - I totally agree with HAL9000’s reshaping of the Starkiller firing, and NeverarGreat’s R2 database scan. Other than that some gentle trims to the humour make sense, but beyond that it’s just the Rathtar sequence which I never enjoyed.

You’ve said you’ll cut down the Rathtars - is this the version that I think appeared in HAL9000’s thread where they effectively release the Rathtars then just escape from Han’s ship, with none of the running around in corridors?

It’s similar to that version (DigMod’s), yeah. Rey and Finn don’t run into the Rathtars.

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#1078732
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The Force Awakens - Ridley's Edit
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Edezio Enk’or Valorum said:

When I first saw the clip I was like ‘‘oh, the sand is moving’’, but then I remembered the island part of the video. Quite beautiful Dune Sea, I like the clip and I dont think it needs more editing imo.

And just curiosity, theres no way to modify the line of Poe ‘‘Our work here is done’’ to a sadder tone? The idea has been stuck in my mind for a while, but I dont know if by editing the audio, cuting it in middle of the phrase could work, or even if theres something like that on other Star Wars source, like the Lego shorts or something, that would be my only suggestion.
Looking foward to the edit for sure, waiting! 😃

Thank you! The moving sand illusion is something I really loved about NeverarGreat’s concept.

I don’t know if it’s possible to change Poe’s line, really. And the triumphant music and his smile is part of it too, so you’d have to change all that as well.

Paden said:

Sir Ridley said:

Here’s a clip of the island Force vision, based on the idea by NeverarGreat:

https://vimeo.com/218781507

Password: fanedit

That was great! Pity the sun wasn’t in the same position prior to the fade.
As Edezio Enk’or Valorum says the sea fading up looks just like sand blowing!
Cool 😃

Cheers, Paul

Thanks! I guess the sun is just part of the vision, but yeah.

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#1078718
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The Force Awakens - IMAX Edition - Help needed!
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I’m interested in helping. I’m working on a fan-edit of The Force Awakens and I would like to include the IMAX sequence in the best possible quality, so for that purpose I would do the things you’re looking for anyway. I don’t have adywan’s recreation though, I guess you have a copy?

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#1078465
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The Force Awakens - Ridley's Edit
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Hal 9000 said:

FWIW, I wonder whether a good point to reveal Kylo’s parentage would be when Han first encounters Leia.

“I saw him. He was here. Leia, I saw our son.”

Could be, could be. Right now I’m just keeping the “I saw him. He was here.” part. That way a connection to Kylo is implied, but we don’t know exactly what it’s about. But this might actually be the best place to mention their son. Their big talk about him comes barely five minutes later in the film. It might be good to know from the beginning of that scene that they have a son and that that’s who they’re talking about, so you can focus on what they say rather than figuring out who they’re talking about. Yeah, I think I might leave that line in after all. Thank you.

DigMod said:

Sir Ridley said:
x Remove Kylo calling Darth Vader “grandfather”

I went back and forth on this one in my own edit for a long time. I ultimately left it in, but you’re convincing me that this may be a good cut.

Excited to see your vision, especially your desert Force vision 😃

Thank you! It’s a debateable cut for sure, but for now I think cutting it is the right way to go for my edit. I will upload a clip of the vision!

Octorox said:

I’m not sure why you would cut this personally.

For me it’s simply about not spelling out Kylo’s lineage that early and that many times. At that point we learn that he worships Vader and wants to “finish what he started” and that’s plenty, I think. And then the human side of him is saved until later.

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#1078386
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The Force Awakens - Ridley's Edit
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NeverarGreat said:

Is this edit intending to preserve the Han’s son reveal until the Oscillator scene? Because I wonder if you’d be able to cut enough out of the Han/Leia discussion at the base without it becoming unnatural. I do agree that some of that should be cut, especially the Snoke references. In fact, all Snoke references in the film could go and I wouldn’t be sad about it 😉

I’m not going to fully delay the reveal that far, just make it dawn on you a bit slower. I guess it will be pretty clear by the time Kylo takes his helmet off for the first time. I have considered to cut some Snoke references, yeah. But I don’t want to change things that might turn out to be important for the following episodes. It should be okay to remove a bit of exposition.

NeverarGreat said:

My edit seeks to remove the Poe closeups on his approach to the castle to preserve the revelation, and I wonder if the trailer footage can be combined with the film shots to repair the single X-wing shot.

Overall, this edit is pretty close to ideal.

I’ve considered delaying the Poe reveal, but I feel like his big comeback becomes less triumphant if it’s reduced to just a short glimpse of him at the end of his aerial heroics.

Thank you for your thoughts! 😃

MalàStrana said:

Ideas that I don’t consider to be good:

Replace Main Theme with Episode I version => Stick to the theatrical version !
Reduce the diss battle between Kylo and Lor San Tekka => I love Von Sydow too much to even remove one frame of him
Add VFX to practical effect desert bird to make the feathers look more convincing
Subtle zoom in on the spy watching as they pass
Remove droid saying “Alert the resistance”

I feel like the Episode I theme has a bit more oomph, but it’s a nitpick. Von Sydow is great, I suppose as a fellow Swede I should leave him be. But I think parts of his talk with Kylo feel a bit silly and contrived, sorry about that. The VFX and zoom are small things as well, I’ll upload a clip of the bird later. I remove the droid so they’re not spotted twice in a row, to give greater impact to the reveal of the spy.

MalàStrana said:

Ideas I need to watch finished to be sure about:

I will try to upload some clips later.

MalàStrana said:

I would then suggest to change other things (most of them found in DigMod edit), such as:

Great list, thanks! At a first glance there are a few points here I agree with, a few I disagree with and a few in between. Right now I like these the most:

  • Cut Rey’s “No” when responding to Finn’s “You ever fly this thing?” line [DigMod Edit]
  • Finn and Rey’s “I can do this” lines when they first get into the Falcon [DigMod Edit]
  • Cut scene of Finn childishly pushing down on Rey’s head and added Red Gradient glow to mimic the overhead light and connect the edited scene visually [DigMod Edit]
  • Cut Finn’s answer to Han’s “Trash compactor”: just cut directly to the following scene after Han delivers his line

Thank you! 😃

Hal 9000 said:

I sincerely look forward to watching your finished product, as the list sounds very sensible and targeted. I don’t have time at the moment to respond to each change, but many of them sound great and only a few seem ill-advised. It’ll have to wait for now.

Thank you! I’d love to hear some of your criticism later on.

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#1078293
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The Force Awakens - Ridley's Edit
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For about a year I’ve been working on a TFA edit based on Hal 9000’s “Restructured” edit, mostly for fun. The goal is just to make what to me is the best version of an already great movie.

I’ve had my eyes on this nice community for a while, mostly thanks to adywan’s fantastic efforts, and a few months ago I joined to help out with Hal 9000’s Restructured v2. So my edit is developed side by side with that edit (which I will help finish before I complete my edit), and I’m taking inspiration and borrowing things from other people as well, like NeverarGreat and DigMod who have a lot of interesting ideas.

Anyhow, my edit isn’t fully done, maybe something like 75% complete. I just work on it now and then in my spare time, so I can’t say when it will be done. But I made this thread to share this project with this community, because it’s nicer to work together!

As I mentioned; this edit uses the “Restructured” edit as a base, because I’m a big fan of that idea, and on top of that I’m including a bunch of small changes. Below is my change list, as it looks now. Points marked with < are changes straight from Hal’s “Restructured”, points with • are planned and points with an x are more or less completed. Points in parentheses are things I’m unsure of.

x Replace Main Theme with Episode I version
< New opening crawl, written by Hal 9000
x Reedit the part with Stormtroopers inside a transport to make the sequence less jumpy
(• Add unused shots of Stormtroopers from Teaser 1)
(• Fix Kylo’s helmet which has an inconsistent mouth guard)
x Reduce the diss battle between Kylo and Lor San Tekka
x Reduce Poe being cocky with Kylo
x Add VFX to practical effect desert bird to make the feathers look more convincing
• Add Rey having a daydream/vision about the island (idea by NeverarGreat)
x Remove Kylo’s line "Comfortable?"
x Reduce Finn shooting a lot of people as he escapes in the TIE fighter
x Remove Kylo saying Finn’s number
• Restore IMAX sequence
x Remove Finn’s line “… cute boyfriend?”
(• Reduce Bala-Tik part (idea by NeverarGreat and DigMod))
x Reduce Rathtars
< Remove General Hux from first scene with Snoke (VFX by Jackpumpkinhead)
x Remove Snoke mentioning Han Solo being Kylo’s father
x Slight fix of shot of Rey by the lake (straightened horizon, removed lens distortion)
x Color correct shot of Maz, Solo, Rey and Finn walking past the spy to match following shot
x Subtle zoom in on the spy watching as they pass
(x Remove droid saying “Alert the resistance”)
x Remove Kylo calling Darth Vader "grandfather"
x Replace “These are your first steps” with Alec Guinness’ voice (audio by DJ Mitz)
< Replace seeing the Hosnian system being destroyed in the sky with a Star Destroyer (VFX by NeverarGreat)
x Change Finn’s line “It’s the first order, they’ve done it” to "they’ve found us"
x New sound mix and music for this sequence to match the change in visuals and story
(x New color grade of Takodana outdoor scenes after Rey runs away to more of a warm evening/sunset light (to have the nice looking TIE sunset shot make a little more sense))
(• Add unused shots of X-Wings approaching from Teaser 1 and 2)
• Remove Han shooting over his shoulder without looking
(• Reduce Han playing around with Chewie’s Bowcaster)
x Remove Han’s line “I saw our son”, keep the “I saw him” part to keep some mystery
< Remove mention of the Hosnian system’s destruction when Finn is introduced to Leia
(• Add Poe telling Leia that Finn knows about a weapon system/base (edit by NeverearGreat))
• R2D2 starts searching for map files on his hard drive after hearing C3PO mentioning the map (edit by NeverarGreat)
• Add deleted scene with Leia talking to Korr Sella
(• Changes to the talk about Kylo between Han and Leia)
x Flip back flipped shot of Kylo putting his helmet in the ash tray
< After Rey resists Kylo Ren’s mind probe, add the portion of the Snoke scene from earlier where General Hux suggests using the weapon to destroy the Republic (VFX by Jackpumpkinhead to overlay Kylo Ren’s face over his mask)
• Further VFX to remove Kylos helmet in this sequence
< Move General Hux’s speech to after Kylo Ren overreacts to Rey’s escape
< After the speech, the nearby Sun begins to be drained
< During the Resistance briefing scene, remove Leia identifying their base as the Starkiller’s next target, Threepio lamenting the prior loss of the Republic fleet, and the mention of the First Order charging the weapon “again”
< Remove C3PO’s line "It would take a miracle to save us now"
x Flip back flipped shot of Stormtroopers looking for Rey
x Remove sharpening artifacts from a shot of Rey inside Starkiller Base
x Remove smoke from Starkiller Base when X-Wings approach (based on VFX by NeverarGreat)
x Add deleted scene of Kylo searching the Falcon
x Remove Finn not understanding Han’s signal to look at Rey behind him
< After Kylo kills Han, the Starkiller fires at the Hosnian system, and Leia senses it through the Force
< As Finn and Rey head outside the oscillator, cut to the battle in space where the fighters notice that the oscillator has been damaged. Cut back to Rey and Finn before the X-wings begin their descend toward the trench.
< As Kylo Ren and Rey duel, cut to the X-wings descending toward the trench, skipping over the portion of the sequence used earlier.
• Change Kylo’s facial scar to match Episode VIII appearance
< As the Falcon flies away from the imploding planet, remove shots in which the fighter pilots appear too joyful
x Remove Poe’s line "Our work here is done"
x Remove Chewie walking past Leia (because of the Chewie hug controversy)
• Remove Chewie from crowd behind Leia
x Stabilized ending shot (by NeverarGreat)

What do you think? Anything else I should do? Anything I shouldn’t do? Please share your thoughts, and I’ll keep you updated as I make progress.

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#1077876
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Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Prolonged Reveal)
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bromeo said:

Neverar and/or Ridley: do you guys have any plans to use DigMod’s (imo perfect) Rathtar scene in your edits?

I’ve been working on a revised Rathtar scene for a while (along with my edit) that I think is quite similar, but I will of course take a close look at DigMod’s work and see how he did it. 😃

DigMod said:

Does anyone have a nice kylo helmet that would be willing to film it in similar angles, as Sir Ridley suggested, for a v2 of this edit?

I’m working on one with my brother that should work, but it’s not done yet. 😛 The Anovos replica helmet looks good, and of course the $2000 Ultimate Studio Edition helmet looks great. Maybe there’s a helpful fan with one of those who could help out.

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#1069566
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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It’s a nice idea. I think splitting the interrogation mostly works fine, but splitting the Jedi mind trick feels a bit weird. She knows what she’s trying to do and just fine tunes it on the spot, so it makes sense to just try again until it works. And the small part of the first try feels a bit short and disjointed, as well as going in between what would have been a nice transition from Han and Leia believing there is good in their son to Kylo fearing that same thing.

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#1068848
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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StarWarsFan Sweden said:

Hi i have started a private topic about your opening crawl because right now i am also making a fan film and i need good accurate Star Wars Crawl Template from After Effects.

Yes, ta det lugnt, jag kan skicka senare.

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#1068066
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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NeverarGreat said:

It may be possible by using the end of the shot at the end of the film where the Falcon jumps out of the Resistance system, and then there are two possible shots of it falling out of lightspeed, both requiring the removal of a planet.

Okay, that should be possible. I don’t really see the need for the addition though. Would it really make sense to put the ship into lightspeed at that time? They just escaped, and Rey leaves the cockpit to meet up with Finn (I don’t think leaving the controls and just lightspeeding blindly is a good idea) and they haven’t even decided where to go yet. And then they would leave lightspeed without being at the controls, is that even possible? Or does the ship leave lightspeed because of the gas leak?

NeverarGreat said:

This is the one scene where I’m fine with a lot of cuts, since the Rathtars are one of the weakest parts of the film IMO. After ‘Nowhere left to hide’, Rey could open the cages, then cut ‘and take the droid!’. Then keep the initial Rathtar attack, but cut Finn’s improbable capture and rescue. Maybe cut Han’s blasting the door open with the Bowcaster, since it doesn’t make any sense and it closes later in the scene.

I agree it needs some heavy cutting. I’ve already cut a lot after the initial attack in my version, and maybe the additional cuts you suggest could work after all. I’ll try it later.

NeverarGreat said:

I think a few scene-specific regrades would do wonders for the OT look of the film, especially the Falcon scenes and the droids.

Yeah, I like the look of the C3PO image. I tried out a warm evening colorgrade for the Takodana sequence, it looks nice, should work. What about the Falcon though?

NeverarGreat said:

I look forward to seeing them!

I’ll get to it. 😃

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#1067998
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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Nice initiative! 😃 I like most of your ideas, and as you know I’d like to use some of them for my edit which is also based on Restructured. I’ll make my own thread eventually.

I have a few questions and thoughts.

"Insert shot of the Falcon going to lightspeed …"
Is there usable footage for this?

"… trim Bala-Tik’s dialogue about the First Order looking for a droid …"
I feel like this is easier said than done. Bala-Tik mentions the FO looking for a droid and two fugitives, which leads to them wanting to search the ship, and then finally saying “kill them, and take the droid”. All of this is connected, so I think you’d have to remove all of this dialogue and cut from “Nowhere left to hide” to the Rathtars attacking, and move Rey opening the Rathtar cage to a slightly earlier point. Not sure this would flow well, and the increasing tension between the gangs and Han would be lost.

"Regrade Maz’s Castle after Rey runs away to look as if it is occurring in late afternoon"
It’s possible, and it makes the sunset shot make slightly more sense. But you’d have to regrade about 10 minutes of footage (until they leave Takodana). Might be worth it though, if it looks good.

“Reincorporate Kylo’s investigation of the Falcon” - Using xxtelecine 7xx’s clip I’ve done some further cropping and editing to make the timecode removal more seamless. Looks good, I could upload a clip later.

And I made a version of the island dream shot, I’ll upload that as well.

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#1067303
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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MalàStrana said:

You get me hyped. I would suggest you to check DigMod edit which has plenty of good ideas to give consistency to Finn.

Oh, I read about that one! I see he just finished it, I’ll take a look.

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#1067295
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Kexikus said:

From my point of view it might be better if you started your own edit based on Hal’s restructure to implement all these additional small changes. But in the end it’s Hal’s call of course 😃

I agree, but I still think it’s nice that there’s a place for all kinds of ideas in this thread, and then HAL can decide which ones work for his edit.

I’ll be using most of these ideas for my own edit which I’ll complete at some point after Restructured v2 is done.

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#1067263
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Great idea! I don’t think the execution is perfect yet, but the idea totally works. There’s a couple of things that bother me. First the film grain on the background image of the desert, you can tell it’s a still frame. Preferably the grain should be removed from the background layer. And second I think the horizons should be aligned so it feels more like the sand turns into water instead of the island and ocean floating above everything else.

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#1065342
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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yotsuya said:

Ah, 1000 times better. You have nicely fixed one of the most annoying gaffes in the movie. Where can I get a 1080 p copy?

😃 It’s not done yet though.

NeverarGreat said:

Since Rogue One just came out on Blu-ray, I thought that there might be a Star Destroyer-over-Jedha sound effect that could be used for the two effects shots, since it seems strange for Finn to be reacting to something so silent.

Good point! Maybe something like this: https://youtu.be/YW0kuf2Lx-Q?t=3m49s I’ll see what I can do.

NeverarGreat said:

Here’s the full quality X-wing approach shot that I partially fixed months ago. Now the blast wreckage is almost gone and the weapon nozzle has been further cleaned up:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/206515

https://mega.nz/#!qZNzDaiY!2JwOqIjiRtiqTugy5XISdIB0gGXdh4wZqKX-i3jfn6w

JEDIT: This is version 5, not 4.
Further JEDIT: I forgot that Sir Ridley already de-wrecked the shot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGXof4rOHbk&feature=youtu.be
I wouldn’t mind if those planet textures were integrated into the new shot 😉

Nice work! I’ll try to combine our shots.

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#1064098
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Good point, but I like the implication of the second part of the line. It’s not just a ship that happens to be nearby, it’s there because of them. And it kind of shows Finn isn’t just worried for his own safety. They’ve found US. Which leads to the question about Rey. I like that.

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#1064075
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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DougieP said:

URL: https://vimeo.com/212426290
Password: Fanedit

Thank you, this is interesting! After watching this I’ve though about what could be the best option, and I think I prefer Finn saying something. Your idea also opens up the possibility to use only a part of his line, like “It’s the First Order” OR “They’ve found us”. But ultimately I think the full line works best. I feel like it’s useful for clarifying what’s going on (for a casual audience), but mostly it makes sense that Finn would want to help and explain from his insider point of view that this is indeed the First Order (even though the ship is instantly recognizable to Han and movie viewers as “the bad guys”).

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