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#1056790
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Here’s an updated clip of the SKB explosion. NeverarGreat has done more to pan the sound effects across the channels, to sound less centralized. He’s addressed the brief dip in the wind sound effect right as the music changes, as MalaStrana noted. As before, the audio during Rey and Leia’s hug very gradually fades from a stereo upmix back into the 5.1 soundtrack. Similarly, I’ve now very gradually crossfaded the audio in the two scenes prior to the Falcon scene from 5.1 to stereo, in preparation for the essentially-stereo SKB explosion sequence. It’d be a little mucky for a professional job, but it does help me ears better accommodate the new audio.
https://mega.nz/#!KZIFQLhS!2RjCIk8OTxvkInUT3wsYs5sUMmvvd3tfAfyIEZ4rrDY

I’ve only listened to this in stereo, where it mostly sounds good, but it would be better to have a more proper 5.1 mix with dialogue only in the center channel (any voice echoes/reverb would be in the surround though). As you have it now vocals become too loud when they are in every channel so please use 5.1 sound for those scenes.

If there is only stereo sound available (as in the deleted scenes for example) you can use audio editing software to extract the centered audio information from the stereo sound which makes for a pretty good center channel, and a stereo file with extracted center can then be used for front and back channels. If there is a separate music track then you would use mostly music for the back channels and music plus other sounds in the front.

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#1052840
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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marduk666 said:

Sir Ridley said:

Other possibilities that might (or might not) be worth considering to keep the “fast cut”:

• BB8 reacting first (without TIE sounds), making Rey look up. However I’m not sure it makes sense with the direction Rey is looking in. I think Finn and Rey are on opposite sides of the castle so they wouldn’t be looking at the same thing anyway.

My 2 cents, could you mirror flip the Rey scene so she’s looking the other way?

Sure, but that wouldn’t change where she is geographically. However now that I look at the layout of the castle I believe they are actually looking in the same direction so it’s not a problem.

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#1051556
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I worked a bit on the deleted scene. The watermark removal is somewhat time consuming but the results are good. The hardest part was when Leia’s face passed behind it. The hair removal will be a bit trickier to pull off but I think it will work.

As I watched some behind the scenes earlier I noticed that Carrie had the braid-thing on set, so I guess ILM must’ve removed it for the scenes that are in the film but didn’t bother with this deleted scene.

Even for press photos, look at the poor Photoshopping on this one:
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0y6kF7W8AIwOHm.jpg

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#1050630
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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DigMod said:

It’s implied. A majority of us walk sideways on the earth but we don’t know it 😃

Haha, that’s one way to look at it. 😉 The shot could be vertical, but a large sun with that kind of “atmospheric refraction” (air ripple effect) and the shape of the clouds indicate a sun close to the horizon.

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#1050617
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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DigMod said:

I just did a color match and blend with another day shot and then tried to simulate what the sun looks like when it’s burning your retinas out. This shot is now a vertical descent rather than a horizontal approach.

Interesting idea, but it’s not quite working for me. If the sun is supposed to be burning the eyes out it should be pure white, in your clip it’s sort of greenish gray. And the shot still feels horizontal. It might be from knowing the original shot, but there’s nothing indicating anything other than a horizontal angle.

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#1050609
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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Could the pink color come from a red glow on a blue background or from a blue color grading? Such as a blue sky or the dark blue Eadu scene. Same thing that gives Darth Vader a pink saber in his duel with Luke.

I don’t really think this is the case though, pink seems to be canon. They’re pink in Battlefront too (look at images of the Rogue One VR mission).

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#1050574
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Other possibilities that might (or might not) be worth considering to keep the “fast cut”:

• BB8 reacting first (without TIE sounds), making Rey look up. However I’m not sure it makes sense with the direction Rey is looking in. I think Finn and Rey are on opposite sides of the castle so they wouldn’t be looking at the same thing anyway.

• Keep Rey reacting to TIE sounds and then cut to Finn reacting to crowd noise. But I guess this might feel a bit off since that would give the feeling that TIEs have been passing over Rey for the duration of the cutaway to Finn yet she just stands there. This problem is technically in the fast cut as it is, and I feel like it works there but might not work without Finn seeing TIEs.

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#1050565
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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The fast paced restructuring wouldn’t work if the added TIEs are replaced with just a Star Destroyer. In the fast paced version Rey looks up because she can hear the TIE engines and Finn does the same. But if it’s just a Star Destroyer Rey wouldn’t hear it and Finn would react only to the sounds of the crowd reacting. So Rey’s reaction would need to be saved for later when the TIEs are revealed. I guess I’ll just have to try and see how that would work.

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#1050331
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Personally I’m cutting the Rathtars quite a bit, but I don’t hate them and it would make sense to leave them alone in this “Gentle Restructure”.

I can upload my Rathtar edit later, for reference.

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#1049943
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Excellent work. I think the only piece of the puzzle is some replacement score audio from Sir Ridley for the First Order appearing over Maz’s Castle.
EDIT: At least, I think that was the plan. I apologize; I’ve been busy with the actual, real job lately.

I think you’re right! At least that might be the biggest thing. About that scene, apart from adding “they’ve found us”, I need to know which edits you want and don’t want. Like the sunset, “those beasts”, etc.

NeverarGreat said:

I know that Sir Ripley was working on removing the timecode from the deleted scene so that it could be useable in this edit. Apart from that, I don’t know what the decision was on the Finn line edit. It can be rendered in full quality as well if there’s interest in using it.

Right, I haven’t tried much yet but I think it will be doable. Which Finn line do you mean, the one where Poe mentions the weapon system?

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#1043538
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I’d like to look into removing the braid (and timecode), but I don’t have the deleted scene to work on. I have the 3D Blu-ray, but for the moment no means to rip it to my computer. Anyone else? It can be left for later otherwise, it needs to be properly edited into the movie first I guess.

Edit: Got it. 😉

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#1043339
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I’m glad the crawl is appreciated! 😃

Jackpumpkinhead said:

so did you use these same type of techniques for your crawl?

I don’t know exactly how it was done for TFA but I used the same software and got a close match so it’s probably similar.

Basically it’s just a text layer in 3D gliding past a simulated camera with depth of field, and then there are small adjustments like blur and a slight gate weave motion added.

The prequels just had perfectly sharp steady digital text, but TFA emulated the old analog OT crawls for nostalgia, so I did that too.

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#1042875
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I rendered a crawl! Not lossless, but I’ll do that when the time comes to put everything together. I also included my edit of the stormtroopers in the troop transport ship. I didn’t like the glitchy flashy cutting, it didn’t feel very Star Wars to me, so I toned that down. Oh, and I’ve replaced the main theme with the recording from Episode I, which I prefer.

https://mega.nz/#!GVsGwahZ!nTU7CQLV13UfXPMMvdB2tsBIpuvPeSDloZtSB4LG5Qc

Kexikus said:

Having him ask that question out of nowhere wouldn’t work I think.
Maybe he could be the one who asks about Republic support but I think it’d work better if someone else were to ask that question.

Maybe Admiral Ackbar? With his puppety mouth inserting a new line somewhere could be possible.

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#1042703
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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MalàStrana said:

Isn’t it possible to use 3PO to deliver the line in a way he would say “The Republic won’t send reenforcement/ships/fleet ? We are doomed !” ? (note that Daniels made 3PO voice in TCW, I wwonder if someone familiar enough with the show would know if there is a line to be taken from an episode)

Since he doesn’t have a mouth to sync to the line this would be the simplest solution. It should be possible to piece something together from all the voice work he’s done for TV, games etc.

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#1042696
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Haha, gorgeous. Yes, I would love to have you render out yours, even after tinkering with mine for so long. When someone with power tools offers to help, put down your hand tools. I would, however, request using the same font for the title as the theatrical version of TFA.

No problem! 😃 I’m changing it back to the theatrical font now, it’s probably for the best.

I watched a presentation by the guy in charge of graphics and holograms on TFA and he mentioned how they carefully mimicked the original crawls by replicating lens distortion, film gate weave and other things digitally.

Pretty interesting if you’re into that kind of stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFvSgg2-Yo

But of course it’s even cooler how they did it originally, by filming actual back lit text.
http://gagarin.tm/statics/images/post/gallery-1432667442-ep4-bts-13904866909.jpg

Anyway, I’ll tweak it just a bit more and then I guess I’ll try a render.

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#1042693
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

And, Ridley, that looks great! I’m already able to render my own crawls, using JackPumpkinHead’s Blender template that mimics Adywan’s crawls. I just had to tweak the timing. BUT, if you wanted to render a version of yours, it couldn’t hurt for me to compare them and decide if either of them edges the other out. It’s up to you, though.

Sure, I can render a clip! I takes a while, so it might be better to save it for later in case you decide to change the text again. But I might render it anyway, I’ll link it here if I do.

I think technically my version looks a bit closer to the original one (after all, they used After Effects for the TFA crawl). I closely matched things such as the blur on the text in the distance.

http://i.imgur.com/3KBqQuu.png

I changed the font of the title to match the crawls of VI and I-III but I might change it back to the original again (IV, V, VII) as they will probably keep that one going forward.

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#1042198
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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NeverarGreat said:

Bah, I’ve worked for hours on this, and nothing fits. It’s fine though, I’ve realized that ‘Finn’s familiar with the weapon system, he worked on the base’ is audibly identical to ‘Finn’s familiar with a weapon system, he worked on the base’.

So I’m fine with leaving it as it is, and leave it up to interpretation as to whether or not Leia was aware of its existence before this moment.

I think it’s pretty great. The mouth editing could be slightly better, it seems like the mouth moves down a bit at the beginning of “a weapon” and the shot looks a bit blurry (but maybe it was a bit out of focus to begin with?). Also the shot of Leia just before becomes choppy for a few frames, if you slowed it down it could use some frame blending to smooth it out.

It is a bit odd to just casually mentioning “the base” though, as if everyone involved knows there is one. Perhaps it could be changed to “their” base or “a” base?

I also like your idea on how to include the deleted scene, I think it could work well.

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#1039641
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Hal 9000 said:

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire, along with a secret weapon to secure their return to power.

Failing to convince the New Republic of this emerging threat, General Leia Organa mobilizes a covert RESISTANCE to gather allies from the farthest reaches of the galaxy.

Desperate for her brother’s help, Leia has sent her most trusted pilot on a daring mission to Jakku, where a clue has been discovered to Luke’s whereabouts…

I mostly like this, but…

“… along with a secret weapon to secure their return to power.
Failing to convince the New Republic of this emerging threat …”

Implying that Leia knows about SKB and is telling the New Republic? Hmm.

“General Leia Organa mobilizes a covert RESISTANCE to gather allies from the farthest reaches of the galaxy.”

Mobilizes a resistance to gather allies. I feel like these are variations of the same thing (get people together to oppose the First Order). Maybe something along the lines of “General Leia Organa gathers allies from the farthest reaches of the galaxy to form a covert RESISTANCE.”

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#1036228
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Could you post a clip? I’d be interested to see how it does with the music, before I get all my tools laid out again.

Will do.

https://youtu.be/NQ_r1ttBWhM

There’s a small hiccup in the audio 11 seconds in, but that’s a bug of some sort that can happen at an audio transition when exporting 5.1 surround to stereo, I’ll get rid of it later.

And also, Chewies arm can be seen briefly at the edge of the screen and he is seen in the crowd shot as well. Perhaps this could be covered up, to make it seem like he went straight inside.

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