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Truth is, Lucas had not even seen TFA when that interview was done in Oct or early Nov 2015. It was played after the movie released as if it was some criticism of the film when nothing directly was spoken of the film. Lucas also released a statement apologizing for the Slavers comment and said that they had done a good job continuing the franchise. Why would he have to do that? He’s not bound by anything. And We don’t know what will be incorporated of George’s treatment yet. Pablo of Lucasfilm story group states (And he knows what’s coming in the future stories)
Replacing Empire puppet Yoda with CGI would make all the “Han Shot First” stuff look quaint. It would be blasted by every nerd outlet, with only the most hardcore Prequel Justice Warriors for it.
Kennedy has no reason to even pay lip service to Lucas anymore. He called them white slavers and went off on TFA when it was in theaters.
Hopefully a 4K restoration was completed with Kennedy at the helm: Lucas’ was probably done on the cheap (like 2004) and with not much care to making the movies look right. Kennedy at least knows you have to spend some money once in a while.
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Did you read Guy Henry’s interview on it?
THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER 6th Jan 2017
No performance from 2016 was met with quite the fascination of Guy Henry’s turn in Rogue One: A Star Wars Story — and he wasn’t even one of the few actors not involved in the film’s worldwide media blitz.
The British actor was tasked with playing Grand Moff Tarkin, with his performance capture work and visual effects wizardry helping resurrect the character played by the late Peter Cushing in 1977’s Star Wars: Episode IV — A New Hope. Rather than recasting the role, Industrial Light & Magic recreated Cushing’s actual likeness for a performance not quite like any in film history.
Reached by phone in Great Britain Friday, Henry spoke about the unprecedented responsibility he felt to honor Cushing (“It was genuinely frightening”), his offer to let director Gareth Edwards recast him (“I won’t be offended”) and speculation that the story of Carrie Fisher’s Leia might continue through such technology. (He declined to comment on Fisher, but did offer this of the technology: “I think and hope it won’t be a commonplace thing.”)
During the 18 months you kept this a secret, did your family know what you were doing?
The very, very closest of my family and friends — I graciously allowed them into the secret, because I think I would have gone mad otherwise. My name began to be associated with it occasionally. People would ask. At work, [the team behind the BBC One series] Holby City had to know I was doing something in it, but even my agent, when I was asked to meet Gareth Edwards, she didn’t really know why. They didn’t tell her. It was quite a responsibility really, and I’m glad it was kept secret right up until the very last moment.
How did Gareth Edwards and Industrial Light & Magic’s John Knoll convince you this would all work out?
I felt I couldn’t feel too responsible in the sense of the way that it looked. I had to trust John Knoll and Gareth and the team, who were convinced they could make it work. Vocally, I’m not a mimic. I’m genuinely not an impressionist. I’d be doing my very best to do my Tarkin, the rolled “r” and the voice as best I could, and Gareth would say, “OK relax on that. Just be a bit more Guy now.” I had to trust that they saw something in the reel of my work that convinced them it could be the tribute to Cushing everyone wanted it to be. It was very, very frightening, in all seriousness.
Did the reshoots affect you much?
Because the story was changing all the time, I kept thinking I had finished. “The responsibility has lapsed. Thank God, I can lie down.” Then they’d say, “Actually, can you come in next week and do half a line here and half a line there?” It was genuinely frightening, because I didn’t want to let down a huge movie, and equally, I didn’t want to let down Peter Cushing.
Do you remember much about what changed and when you finally ended your work?
It was quite difficult to remember what the last bit was. I would literally be called back to do half a line a bit differently. Half a line that had a bit more stress to it because something else had altered slightly what had happened to a different character. It was immensely detailed. It’s something of a blur.
Did you have doubts this would work?
Normally as an actor, you are you pretending to be another person. Here, I was me pretending to be Peter Cushing pretending to be Tarkin. I said at one point, “I won’t be offended if you feel the voice isn’t good enough or isn’t right or is too young.” There is a famous impersonator here called Rory Bremner. I said, “I won’t be offended if you want to get him. I just want it to be good. Don’t worry if you have to ditch my voice.” They stuck with me gamely.
When did you finally see what it would look like?
They snuck me in to show me [early]. I thought, “We might be all right here.” It was only after the London premiere I knew for sure it worked. I’d had several glasses of white wine. I wasn’t able to eat, I was so frightened. “If I haven’t done good enough here, it’s going to be so sad. That would be very bad.” I don’t mean bad career-wise. I had not done any interviews. “Don’t bother about my name.” I’d be referred to as a stand-in and a voice double who was a disaster, and I could go on. But I didn’t want to let Peter Cushing down.
Have you heard from the Cushing estate? One of its executors has praised your performance.
I haven’t first hand. If that is the case, which I gather it is, I’m so delighted. The reason for doing it was honorable. When people were talking about the ethics of bringing someone back who was long dead, I could see that if it was done for the wrong reason or something a bit seedy or just for the sake of it, that would have been wrong. When John Knoll pitched the film, obviously Tarkin is such a big part of the original. Not to have Tarkin in it would be just a shame, and I think they have done it very honorably.
Before Carrie Fisher’s death, Lucasfilm said Tarkin was a special case and it likely wouldn’t be done again. Do you think this will become more prevalent in other Hollywood films?
I can’t really see why they would. Suddenly to make a new film and get James Dean in it? I can’t see that’s likely to happen. This was very specifically to recreate this character in a way that served the story of Rogue One. Apart from anything else, the work involved in it was enormous. I always felt so sorry for the poor people in Industrial Light & Magic. They had to spend all day and most of the night with me trying to make me look like him. Tony Gilroy, who was the second unit director, said, “God, I’ve spent a hell of a lot of time listening to your voice.” I said, "You poor man. I’m sorry about that."
What would you think about Lucasfilm potentially using such a technique to help complete the story of Leia following Fisher’s death?
I have no comment to make about Carrie Fisher, because Rogue One was my film and I have no connection to other films. To be honest, I don’t know what she was or wasn’t doing [in future films], I’m afraid.
I think and hope it won’t be a commonplace thing. I can see when it can be used for a good piece of storytelling, and I’m sure they will consider it. I don’t think it’s going to be very common.
How did wearing the apparatus affect your performance?
There’s something very claustrophobic, there’s something very distancing about having the head cam gear. It’s very unwieldy. It’s hard enough on a film set to believe you are this other person. This other character. They had a lovely guy called Robert and a lady called Sonya from ILM, and they made it as comfortable and as easy to wear as they possibly could. It’s very hard to find a performance with that thing sticking on your head, the lights and lenses shining on your eyes. It’s a very particular way of working. I must say I found it terribly frightening.
Tarkin really shone opposite Ben Mendelsohn’s Orson Krennic. What was that working relationship like?
He’s wonderful. He gets himself completely into the character. He’s alive. He’s sparking. At one point, I was being deliberately louche in order to wind him up. He thought I was looking at the monitor, which was at the back of the camera. I was being deliberately dismissive. I succeeded so much, I really pissed him off. He shouted, “Don’t look at the monitor, Guy!” I wasn’t looking at the monitor, and as a true professional, I never would. [Laughs
I’m pretty impressed by the Tarkin in R1. […] I bought it! Not as Peter Cushing, but as the character of Tarkin.
It’s apparently true that most men are focused mainly on visuals and technical details. That’s what we read all over the net, “CGI this, CGI that”. For me the biggest deparature from original Tarkin/Cushing was the voice… oh, how I missed his rrr’s 😉 …a distinct accent from a person born 100 years ago.
But we know ANH by heart, we’ve probably seen it hundreds of times, of course even unused footage of Red and Gold Leader would be noticable to us, especially being aware the actors are much older, (one being deceased) to someone not familiar with the SW movies, I don’t think they’d see those shots of those pilots as any different than any of the other pilots. They made an effort to use the same utilitarian graphics and computer panels on things in this film. Many of the Imperial officers have the same sideburns and such as ANH and that era. Saying a film looks like the 70s would likely be a compliment.
This might be the curious feeling I… felt: 70’s footage into a 2010’s movie. It was like the ROTS trailer that used alternate footage of Ben telling Anakin story in ANH. The images don’t mix well.
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I read there was only 25 seconds left to do on ESB REVISITED, but that was about a month ago.
I am going by what Don Bies himself posted at the RPF.
I edited his posts together but he is Artoo77, it was a full 7 years ago when he posted this
"Ivo Coveny, the head of costume props in Sydney, made the decision, I assume along with Trisha Biggar, to remake the mask. All this trash talk about the costume being smaller is wrong, as they had made a muscle suit for Hayden and put lifts on him and everything…if it was smaller, it’s not by much, and I don’t think the helmet and mask are any smaller, IMHO. And I stand by another statement I made in a different thread that it made no difference that Prowse wasn’t in it, as they could have gotten anybody large enough to fit in the costume to play it…and little known fact, there are two other ILM employees playing Vader in the creation scene.
It is my firm belief that it was changed just so that they could call it their own…any talk of “customizing it for Hayden” was just covering that fact.
And BTW, I like that mask too.
It was created using that 3D scanning machine by Ivo Coveny and his team in Sydney, Australia. They recreated the mask, painted it, assembled it and filmed it at Fox Studios in Sydney using Hayden Christensen. Much later, the molds were sent to ILM and we made the three part (helmet plus split face mask) Vader for the shots involving the mask being assembled onto Hayden’s face (who wasn’t present, as they had shot his scenes while still in Sydney without the mask coming down onto him). Additionally, we re-shot at ILM some of the sequence with the table rotating into position, as Hayden was originally filmed with his hands up near his head, and George (I assume) decided that he should have his hands at his sides." --Don
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Truth is, Hayden is about 6’1" & roughly the same height and build as Bob Anderson was. And they didn’t just throw the suit on him, he wore a padded undersuit as Don Bies commented on the Prop Replica Forum and there are scenes of him getting fitted in this padded undersuit on the EP3 docus. They actually reshot part of the scene with another actor back at ILM because George decided he didn’t want Vader’s wrists bound up to the sides of his head as seen in the EP3 teaser. In the other trailers and the movies his wrists are strapped at near waist level at his sides.
I’ve seen people complain about the shoulders and chestplate looking too wide in this ESB shot, which I thought could be Anderson, but everything I’ve read says it was Prowse. Notice the shoulder bells look fixed to the rest of it also this same ESB shot. http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-13056.jpg
The chest box in itself in ROTS actually looked more like the ANH chestbox to me (the button shapes and such) than the ESB/ROTJ one. I’ve always thought it’s kind of silly to gripe about his suit changes, Vader has proven to change his suit, swapped out electronics and other cosmetics from ANH to ESB. Whether he wears the inner cloak over or under the armor has nothing to do with technology being advanced.
Chest Box comparison here. I realize there were diffences with the ESB and ROTJ boxes, but this is just an idea.
WAAAAAAAAY better than ROTS! Thank goodness!
I don’t quite see the difference with ROTS for the suit. The helmet I get it, but the suit ?
Well, for one his body looks way to small for the armor. The chest box is attached to the leather suit with no straps (and once again has different button/light colors). The belt has some minor differences. The shoulder &a chest armor is an all new one-piece design that doesn’t look as cool and doesn’t allow him to actually raise his arms. It’s also much wider than Hayden’s actual shoulders in an attempt to give Vader the proper shape/size.
Over all the the ROTS suit is just a weird thing that doesn’t get the “feel” of the classic Vader suits thanks to a lot of the updates and modernizations. And it also has a weirdness from trying to make a person who’s clearly too small fill out a larger person’s armor.
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God, I laugh my ass off at that one. Darth (IN)VADER…Jabba the Hutt…on an on. Plagueis is not any dumber, but it’s in the prequels so you automatically have to hate it. Not that a name can be objectively “dumb or stupid” anyway.
Ask Pablo Hildalgo this, he helped write the map and knows all about all these things. @pablohidalgo on twitter, yes he has been known to answer.
I never saw any article that said Daniel Fleetwood saw a “4 hour” version of TFA. I saw he saw an unfinished version but never in any article did I see 4 hours. Perhaps you can link me to the source. I follow his wife’s fb page as well and never did she state that.
Some of the worlds tyrants thought they were morally justified, doesn’t make them any less evil in my mind.
The question is, just what is EVIL, really?
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I’ve said before and I will say it AGAIN it’s all fucking SUBJECTIVE OPINION, it’s NOT FUCKING SCIENCE. It’s ART, not SCIENCE! http://www.reelfanatics.com/2010/02/19/the-myth-of-objective-film-criticism/
Reason I brought up Hitler is because he is regarded as one of the worst people on earth. I could have put in Charles Manson or Jeffery Dalmer or whatever.
My problem with many of you is the vitriol is like he deserves to be murdered, like Hitler or something, or like he’s molested a real living child. When it’s not even near the level of any of that. It’s a damned set of movies. Entertainment, fiction.
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I know, I just feel bad for some of you, I guess it’s my fault for bothering to read this forum, but it seems to suck the life out of everything, that so many will seem to hate or gripe no matter what is done to try to appease them. Like I said it seems as if some would have to be handed all the decision making to be pleased. Then there would still be people critical of those choices somewhere. Guess I must realize this forum is only a tiny fraction of the entire fanbase.
Sorry about my wrongful quoting tag. Like I said though, I never have like how people use opinions like they are objective scientific facts. Or like there is some scientific objective standard to what makes a movie factually good or not.
So you going to blame Lawrence Kasdan’s (THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK) writing for it? George Lucas did not direct this one. Of course he directed Star Wars the original and you seemed to have little problem. I know this forum has a lot of “militant purists” where nothing outside the original unaltered films (With ROTJ not quite accepted either) will probably ever be accepted unless you guys are given approval over everything from the screenplay, filming techniques, etc. Some are so dogmatic they think their opinion is absolute science to what a “good” SW movie is. As if there is absolute scientific standard to what makes a film good or bad. It’s art, it’s subjective opinion. They could let you in on the creative process and approval and give you everything you want, truth told, no MATTER what they do, or whomever else does with a SW movie, there will always be people on forums here or somewhere griping about what was done “wrong”. Never can they make EVERYONE happy.
People complained about Stuzan’s work in here, some will never be satisified.
I'm... less thrilled than the rest of you I guess. It made me worry that this will be a rehash of the PT in the Opposite direction. The PT was "look how big and intense and amazing we can make everything with CG". I'm a little worried the ST is going to turn out to be "look how big and intense and epic we can make everything look with as many practical effects as possible, then touch it up with CG to prove it can work to combine the two".
The OT was based on the premise of "I want to tell a story, how do we make these relevant character-developing events appear on the screen in a believable way".
You ever look in the mirror and wonder if it's us? Impossible standards we put on these films this day and age. And being so dogmatic about things we never be pleased unless we get to make the films ourselves. We must realize everything isn't "all about us."
I really don't think anything will please some people, no matter what they put out it would have it's detractors. Struzan has his detractors. The old saying you cannot please everyone. It's all subjective and not scientific fact anyway.
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The stuff for ANH back in the day did the same kind of stuff....not new.
Never was Disney logo or castle in front of the Disney Marvel movies. I didn't expect there would be with SW either.