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#937780
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Favorite line from the Star Wars saga.
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Scott109 said:

“So this is how liberty dies…with thunderous applause” - Padmé

That line was completely unnecessary. Could have been accomplished with a facial expression and it would have been more meaningful

How was it unnecessary? Regardless of whether or not it was necessary, I loved the line and thought it was accurate.

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#936534
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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TV’s Frink said:

Scott109 said:

And why couldn’t someone use the Force to turn off the shield generator? Are the ship’s controls somehow Force-resistant?

There is a difference between a Jedi and someone who says “I don’t know how to turn off the shields, let’s use the force!”

Considering that Rey is able to use a Jedi mind trick without any training (at least that she is aware of), why would Finn not be able to use the Force to turn off the shield generator?

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#936533
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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moviefreakedmind said:

Scott109 said:

SilverWook said:

Padme fakes her death, takes Luke to Tatooine with Ben to arrange things with Owen and Beru, goes with Bail to Alderaan to raise Leia, assumes new identity, dies of natural causes, (or an accident) while Leia is still a toddler. Problem solved.

That would take too much screen time after the climax. That would take a whole other movie. Also, why would she leave Luke with Owen and Beru if she was still alive. Why wouldn’t she want to raise both of her children herself?

It could have been assumed, especially since Leia says that her mother died when she was young. That’s the problem with the prequels. Everything had to be tied into a neat bow. Why couldn’t we just be left to assume that Boba Fett was some bounty hunter trying to make his way in the universe? Instead, George had to spell it out that he was a clone from New Zealand.

Personally, I like for all loose ends to be tied up in a story.

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#934959
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Smithers' Prequel Fanedits (a Work In Progress)
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Smithers said:

Scott109 said:
Jango Fett is the assassin whom Obi-Wan is seeking in Episode II. If you remove him, would you not have to remove the assassination attempt as well? And if there is no assassination attempt, what is the explanation for why Anakin and Padmé travel to Naboo?

Obi Wan will go to investigate Dooku while Anakin and Padme go into hiding (no speeder chase)

What surprises would removing Yoda from the Star Wars prequels preserve?

In ESB, Yoda is made out to be a great warrior like the other Jedi and the audience is surprised when the little green puppet is revealed to be Yoda himself. Removing yoda from the PT will preserve that reveal.

How will you change General Grievous’ four lightsabers into a single double-sided red lightsaber?

I won’t.

Wouldn’t the contrast between the live action Darth Maul and the CGI Darth Maul be too jarring?

I don’t think so, since they’re a movie apart

Do you intend to remove Darth Maul’s death from Episode I?

No, he will be brought back in Episode 2

What lightsaber fights (other than presumably Yoda’s) would you want to eliminate? What new ending would you have at the end of your second episode?

-both of yoda’s
-anakin and obi wan vs dooku in AOTC
-palpatine vs windu (it’ll be an off screen battle)

If Padmé does not die, why does she willingly part with her son Luke?

she won’t willingly part with her son, i’ll upload a clip of what I’m doing

Okay, thanks for explaining.

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#934691
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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adywan said:

Scott109 said:
If Padmé had not died in childbirth, Revenge of the Sith would have been a terrible movie.

And yet, she did die, and it is still a terrible movie. Go figure

Regardless, if Padmé had not died in childbirth, the conclusion of the film would have been incompatible with the rest of the script.

What would you have preferred to transpire in the film?

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#934684
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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SilverWook said:

Arguably, the entire script is literary malpractice. 😉

I would disagree. Sure, there are some things which in retrospect I agree should be changed. Some of the dialogue is poorly written. “It’s over, Anakin. I have the high ground,” “Only a Sith deals in absolutes,” “She has lost the will to live,” ect. R2-D2 should not be able to fly, Yoda should not need a lightsaber, Jar Jar should be absent, Anakin should kill fully trained Jedi and not children, ect.

Lucas was stuck with the line Leia uttered in 1983, and he couldn’t reconcile it? (Or change it for the SE?) Whether or not you liked ROTJ is beside the point. It was made first, and the prequels should fit the OT, not the other way around.

There is some merit to this argument.

The biggest April Fool’s was all the misleading promotional stuff promising Vader in the suit doing something more interesting than what we actually got.

That is probably true.

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#934683
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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TV’s Frink said:

Scott109 said:

To foreshadow a character’s death but not kill off that character is the worst form of literary malpractice. It is narrative the equivalent of a doctor telling a patient he has terminal cancer and then saying, “April Fools!”

Or the forum equivalent of starting a thread claiming AOTC is good and then one month later trying to claim you were just kidding?

No, I was not kidding when I said Attack of the Clones is enjoyable.

Return of the Jedi is also an enjoyable film to watch, even if other than the throne room sequence the film rarely resonated with me.

However, some of my comments defending the romantic dialogue, such as my remark that Attack of the Clones had the most compelling romance I have ever seen, were not meant to be taken seriously.

It may have been the most compelling romance I had ever seen when I was eight years old, though. . .

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#934665
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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SilverWook said:

Scott109 said:

SilverWook said:

Padme fakes her death, takes Luke to Tatooine with Ben to arrange things with Owen and Beru, goes with Bail to Alderaan to raise Leia, assumes new identity, dies of natural causes, (or an accident) while Leia is still a toddler. Problem solved.

That would take too much screen time after the climax. That would take a whole other movie. Also, why would she leave Luke with Owen and Beru if she was still alive. Why wouldn’t she want to raise both of her children herself?

How so? Put her into the discussion scene on the blockade runner, where Yoda convinces her separating the twins is a good idea, and to let the galaxy think she has died. Padme tearfully agrees, as the situation is too dangerous to keep them together right now. She realizes Tatooine would be a good place to hide Luke, at least until he’s older and can start training. (She’s already met the Lars.) She requests Obi Wan to watch over Luke.’

Padme’s death doesn’t have to be explained on screen, as Leia already stated she died when Leia was very young.

The scenes when Anakin dreamed of Padmé dying in childbirth were obvious foreshadowing that Padmé would die in childbirth.

To foreshadow a character’s death but not kill off that character is the worst form of literary malpractice. It is narrative the equivalent of a doctor telling a patient he has terminal cancer and then saying, “April Fools!”

I could not imagine Padmé ever willingly parting with her son as long as she was still living.

If Padmé had not died in childbirth, Revenge of the Sith would have been a terrible movie. I could not care less that the ending contradicts Return of the Jedi because I never liked Return of the Jedi.

The sequence with Luke and Vader dueling before the emperor was a cinematic masterpiece, but other than that sequence the movie has grave flaws: the Empire building another Death Star with a structural design flaw so large the Millenium Falcon can fly through it, Luke hiding his lightsaber in R2-D2 instead of using it in Jabba’s palace, the weak-minded ogre Jabba the Hutt resisting a Jedi mind trick, cuddly teddy bears massacring imperial stormtroopers, Leia acting nonchalant when told Darth Vader is her father, Leia saying she always knew Luke was her brother despite kissing him in the previous movie, Han forgiving Lando’s bretrayal so rapidly, Lando standing in front of a Millenium Falcon wallpaper backdrop, ect.

There was very little suspense watching Return of the Jedi for me. I inferred that the Rebel Alliance would destroy the Death Star since it had already done so before. I inferred Luke would not turn to the dark side since he had never done anything evil before.

Revenge of the Sith is far from a perfect film, but it is the greatest Star Wars movie since The Empire Strikes Back, in my humble opinion.

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#934633
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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TV’s Frink said:

Scott109 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Scott109 said:

TV’s Frink said:

“That’s not how X works” has made it into my everyday conversations, and will feature heavily in the ROT.

Considering Han Solo was never trained as a Jedi (and neither was Leia), how exactly does he know how the Force does or does not work?

Excellent point! Which raises the further question of how I know the Force doesn’t work that way either, given I was never trained in it.

I mean really, this might be one of the silliest complaints I’ve ever heard about TFA, and that’s saying something.

It was a bad joke that made no sense.

FINN: We’ll use the Force.
HAN: That’s not how the Force works!

So the Force doesn’t work by being used? I thought you had to use the Force in order for it to work. Or is it possible for the Force to work without someone using it?

How would you know how the Force works? You weren’t trained as a Jedi.

Also it’s clear you simply don’t understand the joke. Finn thinks you can do anything with the Force…but you can’t. You certainly can’t just “use the Force” to disable the Starkiller’s shields. Suggesting something so ridiculous is funny, and Han’s line is simply the punchline.

Or Finn could have meant that he would use the Force to get past security and turn off the shield generator, or Finn could have meant any number of other things. The dialogue was unclear.

And why couldn’t someone use the Force to turn off the shield generator? Are the ship’s controls somehow Force-resistant?

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#934625
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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ZkinandBonez said:

Scott109 said:

adywan said:

Scott109 said:

If you spent your entire life fighting to preserve a democratic republic only to discover your husband ushered in a violent dictatorship which oppress your future children indefinitely, losing the will to live is a natural response.

A natural response when you have two newborns? Padme was a bitch then with no care for the two helpless young children that would be left without a mother just because she cares more about someone she knew was a psycho all along. Nothing supernatural about it either, no matter what stupid theories fans like to come up with. Lucas himself said that she died of a broken heart and lost the will to live, so there’s the official explanation - Padme really was a selfish bitch.

When you have children of your own you realise just how much you will fight for them no matter what you have been through. There is no way you would leave them parentless.

Scott109 said:

MEDICAL DROID: Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
OBI-WAN: She’s dying?
MEDICAL DROID: We don’t know why. She has lost the will to live.

Although the medical droid states Padmé lost the will to live, it never states that the loss of the will to live is the only cause of her death. On the contrary, it states that Padmé is dying “for reasons we can’t explain.” Losing the the will to live was not the primary cause of Padmé’s death; it was only the subsidiary cause. The primary cause was something inexplicable and supernatural. Presumably Palpatine withdrew the Living Force from Padmé to save Anakin’s life, which is why if you listen closely Padmé’s heart stops beating the moment Anakin’s heart starts beating again.

The droid says she is completely healthy and the only thing mentioned is her losing the will to live. Nowhere does it point to any supernatural cause, thats just fanwank. And were we watching the same film? Vader doesn’t die so his heart never stops beating so how could his heart start beating again?

So you would have preferred for Padmé to have survived and said, “I will take Leia and live with her on Alderaan. I don’t care about Luke though. He can go live with his aunt and uncle on Tatooine”?

Well, it does make a lot of sense to separate them. They’d both be very valuable to the Empire if they should ever learn their true identity, so having them both in the same place could be potentially disastrous. She wouldn’t have abandoned Luke, but rather left him in the care of a trusted friend for his own safety. This is still technically what happened in the current post-PT canon, Yoda and Obi-Wan decided to separate them for their own safety, with the intention of re-uniting them at some point when they were older.

It would make logical sense to separate them, but it would not make emotional sense for a new mother. If Padmé was still alive, she never would have agreed to that. It would have been out of character.

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#934621
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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SilverWook said:

Padme fakes her death, takes Luke to Tatooine with Ben to arrange things with Owen and Beru, goes with Bail to Alderaan to raise Leia, assumes new identity, dies of natural causes, (or an accident) while Leia is still a toddler. Problem solved.

That would take too much screen time after the climax. That would take a whole other movie. Also, why would she leave Luke with Owen and Beru if she was still alive. Why wouldn’t she want to raise both of her children herself?

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#934618
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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TV’s Frink said:

Scott109 said:

Imagine there is a terminally ill cancer patient who is approaching death. A doctor says, “The patient’s suffering is so intense that he is no longer fighting death. He has lost the will to live.”

Nobody would interpret the last sentence to mean that the loss of the will to live was the cause of patient’s death. In such a scenario, the loss of the will to live would be a side effect of intense pain and suffering and a sign that death is near.

“For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her…well, except for the cancer…and Palpatine sucking her life out of her.”

Obviously, the medical droid knew nothing about Palpatine. The terminally ill cancer patient was only an analogy.

George Lucas purposefully left Padmé’s death open to interpretation.

You could say she died of complications in pregnancy.

You could say she died as a result of Palpatine.

You could say she died as a result of the will of the Force.

Personally, I like the way Padmé’s death was handled. I wish that George Lucas had cut the line, “She has lost the will to live,” and Darth Vader’s “No!”

But it was still a great scene.

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#934573
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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adywan said:

Scott109 said:

If you spent your entire life fighting to preserve a democratic republic only to discover your husband ushered in a violent dictatorship which oppress your future children indefinitely, losing the will to live is a natural response.

A natural response when you have two newborns? Padme was a bitch then with no care for the two helpless young children that would be left without a mother just because she cares more about someone she knew was a psycho all along. Nothing supernatural about it either, no matter what stupid theories fans like to come up with. Lucas himself said that she died of a broken heart and lost the will to live, so there’s the official explanation - Padme really was a selfish bitch.

When you have children of your own you realise just how much you will fight for them no matter what you have been through. There is no way you would leave them parentless.

Scott109 said:

MEDICAL DROID: Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
OBI-WAN: She’s dying?
MEDICAL DROID: We don’t know why. She has lost the will to live.

Although the medical droid states Padmé lost the will to live, it never states that the loss of the will to live is the only cause of her death. On the contrary, it states that Padmé is dying “for reasons we can’t explain.” Losing the the will to live was not the primary cause of Padmé’s death; it was only the subsidiary cause. The primary cause was something inexplicable and supernatural. Presumably Palpatine withdrew the Living Force from Padmé to save Anakin’s life, which is why if you listen closely Padmé’s heart stops beating the moment Anakin’s heart starts beating again.

The droid says she is completely healthy and the only thing mentioned is her losing the will to live. Nowhere does it point to any supernatural cause, thats just fanwank. And were we watching the same film? Vader doesn’t die so his heart never stops beating so how could his heart start beating again?

So you would have preferred for Padmé to have survived and said, “I will take Leia and live with her on Alderaan. I don’t care about Luke though. He can go live with his aunt and uncle on Tatooine”?

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#934565
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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TV’s Frink said:

Scott109 said:

TV’s Frink said:

“That’s not how X works” has made it into my everyday conversations, and will feature heavily in the ROT.

Considering Han Solo was never trained as a Jedi (and neither was Leia), how exactly does he know how the Force does or does not work?

Excellent point! Which raises the further question of how I know the Force doesn’t work that way either, given I was never trained in it.

I mean really, this might be one of the silliest complaints I’ve ever heard about TFA, and that’s saying something.

It was a bad joke that made no sense.

FINN: We’ll use the Force.
HAN: That’s not how the Force works!

So the Force doesn’t work by being used? I thought you had to use the Force in order for it to work. Or is it possible for the Force to work without someone using it? Han’s statement is a nonsensical retort.

It is not funny at all. It is a stupid retort.

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#934555
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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Imagine there is a terminally ill cancer patient who is approaching death. A doctor says, “The patient’s suffering is so intense that he is no longer fighting death. He has lost the will to live.”

Nobody would interpret the last sentence to mean that the loss of the will to live was the cause of patient’s death. In such a scenario, the loss of the will to live would be a side effect of intense pain and suffering and a sign that death is near.

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#934520
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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Frank your Majesty said:

Scott109 said:

Considering the original trilogy states that Force sensitivity is passed down through bloodlines (“the Force is strong in my family…”)

This doesn’t mean that the force is hereditary. “The love for Star Wars is strong in my family” also doesn’t mean that liking Star Wars is determined by ones genes.

In context, Luke was saying that because the Force was strong in his family Leia was Force-sensitive despite not undergoing any training.

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#934515
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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adywan said:

Scott109 said:

Honestly, I greatly prefer the idea of Padmé dying in childbirth to the idea of her living on Alderaan with Leia for a few years, which would imply that she purposefully parted with her son Luke.

You mean that you prefer the fact that she “lost the will to live”, therefore not giving a damn about any of her kids (ignore the ridiculous fan theory about Palpatine sucking the life out of Padme to give it to Vader) , to her fighting to live and at least being able to be there for one of her kids? Any decent parent would have fought tooth and nail to live, not just give up because your psycho husband went bad

If you spent your entire life fighting to preserve a democratic republic only to discover your husband ushered in a violent dictatorship which oppress your future children indefinitely, losing the will to live is a natural response.

MEDICAL DROID: Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
OBI-WAN: She’s dying?
MEDICAL DROID: We don’t know why. She has lost the will to live.

Although the medical droid states Padmé lost the will to live, it never states that the loss of the will to live is the only cause of her death. On the contrary, it states that Padmé is dying “for reasons we can’t explain.” Losing the the will to live was not the primary cause of Padmé’s death; it was only the subsidiary cause. The primary cause was something inexplicable and supernatural. Presumably Palpatine withdrew the Living Force from Padmé to save Anakin’s life, which is why if you listen closely Padmé’s heart stops beating the moment Anakin’s heart starts beating again.

It is very poetic: Padmé died the moment Luke and Leia were born and the moment Anakin was reborn as Darth Vader.

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#934385
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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Lord Haseo said:

I actually agree too. But the plot would still probably rehash…oops I mean mirror things from the OT because poetry and craft a plot with interesting ideas that seem good in theory but make no sense in execution. Also there would be boring characters with miscast actors who give their pest performances because George is a shitty actor’s director. The special effects would be on par with TFA but there wouldn’t be as many real sets. Also there would probably be more things that ruin the mystique and continuity of the original trilogy (shit like midichlorian and having Padme die 2 seconds after child birth even though Leia remembers her) and wouldn’t even adhere to them.

I could come up with more but you get the point.

Considering the original trilogy states that Force sensitivity is passed down through bloodlines (“the Force is strong in my family…”), I never understood the problem with midichlorians per se, even if Qui-Gon’s explanation of them is rather boring and mundane.

Honestly, I greatly prefer the idea of Padmé dying in childbirth to the idea of her living on Alderaan with Leia for a few years, which would imply that she purposefully parted with her son Luke.

In the Return of the Jedi special edition DVD, George Lucas should have edited “Do you remember your mother - your real mother?” to “Do you remember your mother?” to allow for the interpretative possibility that Leia was speaking of her adoptive mother.

(And George Lucas should have refrained from inserting Jedi Rocks or inserting Hayden Christensen as the ghost of Anakin Skywalker, but I digress.)

If George Lucas had created very detailed plot outlines but given the actual screenwriting and directing to others to accomplish, the results would have been epic.

The results would have been much more epic than The Force Awakens.

Personally, I was hoping to see new technology and the new Republic in the sequel trilogy. Given that J. J. Abrams left the Resistance with the same technology that the Rebel Alliance had thirty years ago and blew up the new Republic, I doubt that will ever happen.

One thing that was good about The Force Awakens is the reliance upon practical effects over CGI. I was never adverse to CGI for background scenery, clones, or battle droids, but when either Watto or Jar Jar Binks is in every frame of every scene on Tatooine, the result is very cartoonish and distracting.

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#934318
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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imperialscum said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Looks like someone from Young Indy helped write AOTC, but judging by the dialogue I suspect that most of it came from Lucas.

Since AOTC has worse dialogue than TPM and ROTS, the assumption could be opposite.

Attack of the Clones has the most cliché dialogue of any movie in the Star Wars saga, but the dialogue in The Phantom Menace is even worse. Jar Jar Binks is in almost every scene, the gungans speak in broken English, the battle droids repeatedly say, “Roger, Roger,” the Neimodians speak in poor imitations of Asian accents, the characters constantly mention treaties, and the nine-year-old Anakin asks Padmé, “Are you an angel?”

So the dialogue in Attack of the Clones is still better than The Phantom Menace.

I will admit that other than a few failed attempts at comic relief, the dialogue in The Force Awakens was actually surpisingly good.