Scott109

Perhaps trim, “It’s the First Order; they’ve done it!” to “It’s the First Order!”

Bingowings said:

Most people here will watch the films in the order made but there will be some younger viewers or general newbies who will go chronologically.

Episode 1 is called Episode 1 not Episode -3 so in my book the PT should work both ways, as a film trilogy you watch after the originals to see some of the back story and as the first three episodes which do not spoil the next three.

The problem is that it is impossible for the prequel trilogy to work both ways. It is impossible to have your cake and eat it too. If you watch the prequels as back story after watching the original trilogy, you would want to see a story explaining how Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader. If you watch the prequels as the first three episodes, you would want for the revelation that Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader to remain secret until the revelation in Episode V. It is logically impossible for the prequels to both explain Anakin’s transformation into Darth Vader and keep it a secret at the same time.

Bingowings said:

My wish list for Jedi.

23. Leia remembers Padme…but how? One easy fix could be that when she refers to “images” she produces a locket with a picture of her mother and gives it Luke, something regal that Bail Organa may have given her when she was a little girl. If it fell out while Palpatine was zapping Luke, seeing it and Luke in pain may add a bit more umph to his Return to the light side (just an idea). A variation on the same idea is that Leia gets a strong mental image of Padme when she holds a mysterious pendant that used to belong to her (in ROTS we see Padme with the pendant in her coffin but perhaps she wasn’t buried with it. Now that would have a serious impact on Vader if he saw it). The less labour intensive option would be having the line edited to _“No, just images really, feelings.” It would retcon Leia’s knowledge of her mother to something even more vague without revealing when she died.

That would be perfect. Although Padmé’s death could have been handled better in Revenge of the Sith (e.g., cutting the line, “She has lost the will to live”), I believe that the death of the love interest is an emotional necessity in a tragedy. I thought it was poetic that Padmé died the moment Anakin was reborn as Darth Vader, and Padmé’s funeral was one of the most emotional scenes in the prequel trilogy in my opinion. I would hate for the scene to be cut merely to reconcile the film with Return of the Jedi.

I suppose that the alternative would be to redub the medical droid and hire Ewan Mcgregor and Natalie Portman to film an additional scene in which Obi-Wan tells an emotionally distraught Padmé that the twins must be separated for their own safety. But unless you film an entirely new scene explaining why Padmé abandoned Luke, any attempt to remove Padmé’s death from Revenge of the Sith would only create more problems in my opinion. It would be much easier to simply edit the conversation in Return of the Jedi.

Smithers said:

So ANH and TFA both start off in space, then they cut to our hero, then our earlier introduced characters end up meeting and needing them. So in order to make TPM mirror ANH more, wouldn’t it be better to introduce Anakin before the other characters meet him? I think it would make more sense, one idea is to show Anakin being forced into a podrace by Watto and barely losing to Sebulba. Rather than having one long three-lap podrace, you could introduce Anakin earlier, establish him as a good pliot and have two short and exciting podraces. What do you guys think?

If you could pull that off, that would be awesome.

Could a moderator please delete this thread now? I believe that all of my questions have been answered.

tonywar93 said:

Here’s what I would correct/keep IMHO:

• Make pointed lightsabers to match the ones in the prequels (and TFA?);
• New Alderaan explosion;
• Make TIE fighters the same color as the rest of the OT;
• Keep “Battle of Heroes” soundtrack throughout Darth Vader vs Obi-Wan duel, since the sequence is fast paced;
• Keep Darth Vader’s BLACK eyes since they’re black in Episode III and the rest of the movies;
• Remove Darth Vader’s reflecting pole flashes in his encounter with Obi-Wan as he approaches saying “I’ve been waiting for you, Obi-Wan”;
• Make Obi-Wan lighting his saber after Darth Vader, since “a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack,” according to Yoda;
• Restore Tarkin’s final shot before the Death Star’s destruction;
• Restore Death Star’s destruction wave.

I agree with this list. Adywan’s lightsaber duel in A New Hope is a hundred times better than the original with the exception of Obi-Wan igniting his lightsaber first. I especially enjoyed the “Battle of Heroes” soundtrack throughout the duel, which gave the scene more emotion. In the original duel, I always thought that the characters looked like little boys playing with toy swords. Adywan’s faster paced duel fixed that problem. And I love how Darth Vader’s eyes now match the rest of the original trilogy. I believe Adywan plans to re-rotoscope all lightsabers in the prequels to match the revisited original trilogy.

I am fine with the ST mirroring the OT. However, I hated the idea of a third Death Star. Vader said that the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Force, and the first two Death Stars enabled the Empire’s destruction. Thus, it is illogical for the First Order to build another Death Star.

Additionally, The Force Awakens should not have ever used Kylo Ren as a vehicle for comic relief. His temper tantrums with his lightsaber diminished his stature as a villain. Kylo Ren should have defeated Rey in the lightsaber duel. Rey should have barely survived. The hero should always lose to the villain during their first encounter with one another.

Here is a video detailing more of the film’s flaws:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6_zvQQ5P8w

Sheepish said:

My problem with the lightsaber duels in the PT is seeing everyone swinging for each other’s lightsabers all the time, instead of their bodies. Sure, the choreography was very well-practiced, but that was the problem.

A real lightsaber fight wouldn’t be practiced in advance. It would be spontaneous. They shouldn’t know where to swing for EVERY move, before it even happens. In my opinion, that reduces the impact of even having a lightsaber.

And they whipped them out for every little thing. In the OT, when a lightsaber was drawn, the room got quiet. In the PT, it was every other scene. I get that it was a different time period, but I don’t care for that excuse. If Lucas had simply limited the amount of time you saw a lightsaber in the PT, he wouldn’t even have to write a spectacular scene for those moments. You would immediately feel excitement from the sight of the lightsaber. If Obi-Wan had never used his lightsaber until the fight with Darth Maul in Episode I, the scene would have been infinitely more impactful [sic] with the exact same shots.

I always thought that the Jedi were supposed to use the Force to anticipate the next moves of their adversaries, so it is not supposed to look spontaneous.

Considering that the lightsaber is the weapon of a Jedi Knight, I am not sure why you would want less screen time dedicated to Jedi Knights using lightsabers. Surely you would not want for them to use blasters instead.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Darth Lucas said:

I will agree that the duels in the PT may be more visually stimulating and appealing, but in terms of characterization and emotion, the OT duels are way ahead of anything in the PT.

I don’t see how Dooku and Hayden spinning coloured glowsticks above their heads in extreme closeup, CGI Yoda bouncing around like a constipated frog, CGI Palpatine leaping off the walls, or Obi-Wan and Hayden twirling their lightsabers around like synchronized baton twirlers could ever be considered visually stimulating, let alone appealing.

Other than Yoda’s lightsaber duels, all of the lightsaber duels in the prequels were brilliant.

My one request: edit Jar Jar Binks out of all of the sequences on Tatooine. With his high-pitched voice, his constant clumsiness, and his cartoonish face in almost every shot, it is difficult to enjoy the movie.

It may or may not be possible, but it would make the movie a thousand times better.

Also, I like the chosen one prophesy, and I have a feeling it will be referenced in Episode VIII. Luke may have traveled to the first Jedi temple in order to research the prophesy. Additionally, the Jedi Order is a religious order with mystical powers, and a belief in prophesy is consistent with that. So I would not cut the prophesy, especially since it is likely to be referenced in future Star Wars films.

John Doom said:

Unfortunately the cloning chamber was far from being practical, see here.

EDIT: btw, have you ever seen this? 😄

I stand corrected.

Dek Rollins said:

^I think he’s talking mostly about the planet itself, not the sets within that setting. He also said subpar, which doesn’t actually insinuate anything about the amount of said CG; just the quality.

Got you.

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

-The music
-Most sound design and effects
-The world building

These I can agree with. I must say I liked the shooting locations and CGI created world.

The only planet I found interesting was Kamino but the subpar CGI took me out of it at times.

There was actually relatively little CGI on Kamino. For instance, the scene in the cloning chamber was almost entirely practical effects except for the clone troopers and the Kaminoans themselves.

Adywan, I am so sorry if I have said anything to offend you. I can be needlessly argumentative at times. I loved your edit of A New Hope. I hope that you are able to take care of your financial problems, and I wish you well.

My one request for the revisited prequel trilogy would be to find a way to completely remove Jar Jar Binks from all the scenes on Tatooine and from Episodes II and III.

Darth Lucas said:

I will agree that the duels in the PT may be more visually stimulating and appealing, but in terms of characterization and emotion, the OT duels are way ahead of anything in the PT.

Without any character development or emotion, the flashy fights become boring and moot.

If I can skip everything but the last minute of the fight and not miss anything important to the story, then it is a failure as a scene.

This is a legitimate criticism. The lightsaber duels in the Original Trilogy definitely contributed more to the character arcs.

Admittedly, other than Qui-Gon’s dying wish that Obi-Wan train Anakin, Mace Windu’s duel with Palpatine, and the entire duel on Mustafar, most of the lightsaber duels in the prequel trilogy were less emotionally powerful than in the original trilogy even if they made more tactical sense.

Smithers said:

Scott109 said:

Over-choreographed? How is that possible? I actually prefer the lightsaber duels in the prequels to the lightsaber duels in the original trilogy. At least in the prequels the characters actually look like trained warriors and not like little boys playing with toy swords. The only lightsaber duel in the original trilogy that even had any real choreography was the duel on Cloud City in The Empire Strikes Back.

I find it extremely irritating when characters constantly pause in the middle of sword fights in order to speak. When characters focus more on speaking than on actually fighting, the duel becomes unrealistic. Anyone in a life-or-death duel who focuses more on speaking than on fighting frankly deserves to die.

Why are you even on this site? I’m not even going to argue this with you just look up “Plinkett” on youtube and all the things you like about the PT will be ripped to shreds.

I watched Plinkett on Youtube. I disagree with him. Frankly, I question his intelligence as well.

Smithers said:

They never actually act like friends. Instead Anakin goes on about saving Obi-Wan and Obi-Wan denies it. They have the absolute worst on-screen chemistry of all time. ANH at least makes it seem like Vader and Obi-Wan really were good friends but the PT fails at actually showing it. It doesn’t help that the lightsaber fight is so long that it gets boring and many of the camera angles are too close to even see what’s going on in the over-choreographed battle. The climax of ROTS fails in many respects, there’s no point in even arguing that it’s good. I suggest looking up “Plinkett” on google Scott.

In Revenge of the Sith, Anakin says he saved Obi-Wan’s life ten times. Obi-Wan says it was only nine times and that the instance on Cato Neimoidia did not count. That is not the same thing as Obi-Wan denying that Anakin saved his life multiple times.

Over-choreographed? How is that possible? I actually prefer the lightsaber duels in the prequels to the lightsaber duels in the original trilogy. At least in the prequels the characters actually look like trained warriors and not like little boys playing with toy swords. The only lightsaber duel in the original trilogy that even had any real choreography was the duel on Cloud City in The Empire Strikes Back.

I find it extremely irritating when characters constantly pause in the middle of sword fights in order to speak. When characters focus more on speaking than on actually fighting, the duel becomes unrealistic. Anyone in a life-or-death duel who focuses more on speaking than on fighting frankly deserves to die.

Plinkett is not intelligent enough to review any film. He seems not to understand irony, sarcasm, or comic relief. For example, he criticized Obi-Wan’s tongue-in-cheek line “Another happy landing” in Revenge of the Sith because it was not a happy landing. No kidding. That was the entire point of the line. Anybody who is not intelligent enough to understand irony is not intelligent enough to review a film.

darthrush said:

Scott109 said:

Could you post a link?

Reread site rules.

My bad.

Could you post a link?

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Scott109 said:

Dueling with a life-long friend is a more emotionally grueling experience than dueling with a long-lost father with whom you have never had a relationship.

They were friends? It never seemed that way.

I always got the sense that they were friends. I think the central problem with the prequel trilogy - other than Jar Jar - is the fact that George Lucas gave what was supposed to be Obi-Wan’s role to Qui-Gon in Episode I, which should have clearly established Obi-Wan and Anakin’s relationship.

It is still evident that they are friends from the scene in the elevator in Episode II, the clone wars series, and the beginning of Episode III. It is important to remember that Obi-Wan never heard Anakin speaking negatively of him to Padmé, so from Obi-Wan’s perspective they were definitely friends even if they fought at times.

adywan said:

Scott109 said:

darth_ender said:

But that fight will be between Obi-Wan and Anakin, and therefore we know that Vader did not “betray and murder” Luke’s father, as Obi-Wan tells him later.  So tim’s right, the whole fight would have to be removed.

No, that lightsaber duel was the best of the entire saga.

oh, it really wasn’t . All flash and no substance

It was mostly substance, especially the conversation before and after the duel. The ‘flash’ is actually symbolic.
The lava symbolizes Anakin’s spiritual descent into hell.

Obi-Wan: You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them. You were to bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness.
Anakin Skywalker: [shouting] I hate you.
Obi-Wan: You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you.

Dueling with a life-long friend is a more emotionally grueling experience than dueling with a long-lost father with whom you have never had a relationship.

Obi-Wan’s duel with Anakin in Revenge of the Sith is also more emotionally powerful than Obi-Wan’s duel with Vader in A New Hope because in that film his past relationship with Vader is only spoken of, never shown.

Darth Lucas said:

I did.

That_OT_Ruler said:

I posted my thoughts for a fan edit months ago, but with the Blu-ray just coming out, I’d like to share my ideas and what I will definitely be doing in the fan edit.

Working title: The Shadow Revealed
Fan Edit by That_OT_Ruler

*MAJOR CHANGES
-Color correction (Yellow-ish color tint, examples below)
—Soundtrack is completely removed and replaced with music from the previous films (Hopefully)
-Some scenes will have a complete sound overhaul (New sound mix with TIE fighters effects, etc.)
-Removal of the Rathtar squid sequence (The whole thing is gone)
-Removal of almost all fanservice and callback moments, except for shit like Rey’s helmet and the AT-AT
-Finn is not nearly as cringeworthy around Rey (Removal of stupid lines like, “Well this is what we look like.”) He’s more serious, but he has heart.
-Put back in shots that were cut from the trailers
-Finn sucks even more with using a lightsaber

*MINOR CHANGES
-20th Century Fox logo and theme is implemented
-Custom title crawl
-Removal of Poe’s line, “You talk first, I talk first?”
-Removal of Poe’s line, “You need a pilot?”
-Removal of Finn’s yelling, “DID YOU SEE THAT?!”
-Removal of extra explosion after TIE fighter sinks into sand
-Cut down Rey’s fight in marketplace (This ties into the next edit)
-No gag of Finn drinking water next to giant beast
-Other miscellaneous dialogue removal
-Remove entire pointless sequence of Finn talking to BB-8 and asking him to tell Rey the location of the Resistance base
-Remove line, “You got a boyfriend? Cute boyfriend?”
-Remove Rey telling Han that he did the kessel run in 14 parsecs
-Removal of entire Rathtar squid scene. It just cuts from Han talking to Lord Snoke
-Cut out Chewie being injured to keep continuity with previous cut
-Other miscellaneous dialogue cuts during scene with examining map
-Remove the reactions of the people watching the planets getting blown up
-Remove Maz’s line, “A good question, for another time.”
-Trim down and cut out shots and parts of the raid on Maz’s castle
-Re-insert X-Wings hovering over water shot from the trailer
-Cut down Kylo chasing Rey in the forest
-Cut out scene of Kylo thrashing around saber in rage
-Cut out more jokes with Finn
-Reinsert Kylo walking in forest shot from Teaser 1
-Finn’s fight with Kylo is much shorter, and downright pathetic. Finn lasts less than 40 seconds.
-Rey and Kylo’s fight sequence is put together (It doesn’t cut away to X-wings)
-Movie fades out on Luke’s face, not the helicopter shot

POSSIBLE MAJOR EDIT: The Republic planets are destroyed at the end of the movie, not the middle. This would removed Hux’s speech, but make the finale much more emotional.

Those are basically all the edits I plan to fully implement. No deleted scenes will be put into the edit, as the Timecode problem makes it impossible.

Now, this is where I NEED YOUR HELP. I may need need someone to help me remove the music from the 7.1 DTS audio mix, leaving only the vocals and sound effects. It doesn’t have to be perfect, but I REALLY NEED HELP WITH THIS to make this edit work.

I also need help with creating a new title crawl, something similar to what HAL9000 did for his prequel edits.

YOU WILL BE CREDITED IN THE FILM FOR HELPING OUT.

I would like to thank you for reading, and now, here are some test clips of what I’m putting together.

THESE ARE VERY VERY VERY EARLY TEST CLIPS. THE AUDIO IS NOWHERE NEAR FINISHED.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x42wipg
X-Wing Assault on Starkiller Base - The Phantom Menace Music

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x42x58s
Battle at Maz’s Castle - The Empire Strikes Back Music

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4349qm
Attacking the Oscillator - Return of the Jedi Music

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4349w2
Han and Kylo’s confrontation - Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi Music

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x48pbmm_final-assault-on-starkiller-music-only_fun
Final Assault on Starkiller Base - The Phanton Menace Music (MUSIC ONLY)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x48pjme_first-5-minutes-of-tfa-edit_fun
First 5 Minutes of the edit - Mixed Music (See if you can spot which tracks I used)

Here is a taste of my color correction. NOT FINISHED.

All suggestions and comments are appreciated. Thank you, and enjoy!

I personally liked the line, “Well, this is what we look like.” It was the only time I laughed during the entire movie. I think removing Hux’s speech would be a mistake. The sequence when talks to BB-8 and asks him to tell Rey the location of the Resistance base is necessary for the plot. And I think that you should keep at least some of the new music since it will probably appear in the sequels as well. Likewise, I think you should keep the closing helicopter shot since Episode VIII may open with the same shot, beginning where Episode VII left off.

Other than that, I agree with all of your proposed changes. I may purchase a DVD copy of The Force Awakens solely to make it legal for me to download your fan edit.

DominicCobb said:

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. There’s not much of a point to preserving the OT secrets in the PT, especially not if you’re trying to create a definitive edit saga.

I would agree with you. Everyone should watch the films in the order of their release when watching the saga for the first time. That is the only way to preserve all of the revelations of the original trilogy.