I am wondering if that is also a different explosion for the AT-AT being destroyed but weather it is only because we don't see any debris?
Either way interesting clip eh?
I would personally like to believe that most people state an honest opinion on what they deem to be a problem, error, continuity issue or simply an edit or cut because of a reason that is given to make it sit better or perhaps work better.
The very real deal here is Ady having to be judge and jury and to decide if what is being said makes sense to him... Or if he sees it totally differently.
Star Wars can be interpreted in so many different ways it can appear muddled when it is in fact not but on the flip side of this it can appear to be fine when it is in fact muddled.
Lol this one is for real...:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jfHfPr8nY0
Luke Ahhhh
and again Ahhhhhh
Sounds nothing like Hamil but interesting
and some kind of Mozart classical score...
.Mac. said:
Question for you guys, how many doors/entrances do you think are in that Cloud City room where Lea is pacing around by the window? Originally, I used to think there was just one, but not long ago I realized that there are actually two. The first one is where Han walks in, and the second one I believe is where Chewie and later Lando walk in. Whether it is meant to be 1 door or 2 doors, I see an error either way and when I get time, I'll try to map them out in case it's worth looking into.
I actually just ran across the conversation about this... I guess it is accepted that there is a problem here......
I am going to assume because Ady pointed it out that it is in hand... And there is no direct consequences here if nothing changes
Ady knows a lot more than he let's on... Sometimes he also drops hints in his footage :)
But not about this :)
Lord Haseo said:
Ronster said:
We have all seen the films so there is not any surprise left unless it is an edit you don't see coming....
For me the OT is the main part of it for revisited.... Apart from filming a new set of PT movies it is a wreck.....
A prequel story would suffice 1 movie done well in the style of the OTThe surprises being left in are for people who are new to the franchise. I know.....the idea that anyone hasn't seen Star Wars is asinine...I know >_>
There are lot's of people out there that have not seen Star Wars either because it's not what they are interested in or because they just have not seen it yet.
The thing is someone who has not seen Star Wars yet is very unlikely to see a revisited version before seeing the the Special Edition first... Unless like Emanswfan says you introduce it to someone who has not seen it.
So although it is a nice thought Leaving in surprises of what might have been or what should have been in most cases the surprise will have been ruined already unless the story is changed.
But what you are saying about this rings true that the PT had no real twists in the plot...or any attempt of a plot twist was so poorly executed you could see it coming from a mile away and then it just happened and... I was like "yeah, I knew that"
As for Luke's Noooo! Nooo! my response to you is
We have all seen the films so there is not any surprise left unless it is an edit you don't see coming....
For me the OT is the main part of it for revisited.... Apart from filming a new set of PT movies it is a wreck.....
A prequel story would suffice 1 movie done well in the style of the OT
Savage said:
The Empire Strikes Back:
And even a temporary Return of the Jedi with many things to be changed in a couple years! :
I love the classic poster artwork! If I had the skills, I would love to paint something new, but alas, I do not....
This Empire Strikes Back cover is Nigh on perfect.... The only gripes I have is the box on the back for the blue text and too much description... If you could remove that and just put white text above the description then I think It would be an improvement...Also there is far too much text in the description Shave it back a bit and I think it will be even better cutting off above Vaders shoulder.... Any chance of a tweaked version?
Another idea is to remove the kiss from the small bar on the back and replace with something else because we have the kiss on the front.
I love the classic poster artwork... Have you thought of filling the small bar with Mcquarrie art?
How about this?
I like it that much I did a Remix.... But It's worth a thought... I am not that great at art but I hope you like this different take on my favourite cover here.
I'm sure you could do a better job than I have but it's an idea anyway.
I did another one which is more of a departure on the back and I am a lot more pleased with this one... Hope you like it...
The only thing that needs to be shown is dookus death this could happen on geonosis and grievous could escape while dooku dies....
While this blurs the line between the films... It would be the option i would take....
I don't have any taboos when it comes to the pt.... But i am not keen on it....if it could be made better than i Would feel different.
That is an honest opinion too.... But that does not mean i don't appreciate what you are doing
I Just stumbled upon this....So I thought I would share it... Have a good day :)
This one made me laugh
generalfrevious said:
SilverWook said:
I've been hearing most of the same complaints about Hollywood for decades now. (Ever since that shark movie came out in '75.) The major difference is the industry used to be accused of pandering to the youth market.
And yet, the mature themed, more serious Oscar contending films still seem to come out every fall.
If people didn't care about Superheroes, who are all those people dyeing their underwear and running around conventions? ;)
The first blockbusters of the 70s-80s were good, though. They respected film grammar, they weren't bloated special effects experiences, they weren't rehashes of pop culture institutions the audience were familiar with, and they treated audiences like adults instead of consumers.
For the Oscar bait movies, they just nominate the same 10 pretentious dramas released in the last six weeks of the year every single year. For every Godfather that wins best picture there are at least 15-20 Crash(s) that end up winning. They are just as terrible as the loud summer blockbusters of he last few years, we just don't notice because we are so burned out by November.
i have nothing against superheroes, but the superhero movie trend has long overstayed their welcome. The modern trend began with x-men all the way back in 2000 (yeah I know about batman 89, but that wave died with Steel back in 97). Its become too competitive nowadays for a film like Easy Rider or Midnight Cowboy to revitalize the industry because no one in Hollywood can't take risks anymore. Hence they just stick to the same genre again and again, and then try to squeeze money out of the audience with more sadistic measures. They can't recover because of he Internet and overseas box office profits.
I have stopped going to the cinema now... The last film I saw was the Hobbit... That confirmed what you just said in a way...
So I just get DVD's now and hunt about for older films with more going for them...Although there are some good new films I just wait for them to come out on DVD or Blu-Ray.
Cinema is expensive and on top of that you end up sitting next to somone rustling away in a crisp packet or bag of sweets
Rustlers in the cinema are a deal breaker they make the ticket price worthless and ruin the experience.
Rustling should be banned... And packaging should be altered for cinemas so it does not make noise.. People should also be strip searched and have items that can make rustling noises confiscated and then returned after the movie.
Why do these people feel the need to constantly eat while watching a movie?
Then you get the talkers... People who lose interest not surprisingly at most films today but decide rather than get up and leave they will just sit there talking with there mates and ruin it for others who are interested.
Then if it is a busy performance and you need to adhere to seating numbers your bound to have to sit behind a 7ft hulk of a man or some woman with a massive hair do....
When I went to see the Hobbit a Down syndrome Kid kept standing up and shouting in the middle of the film across the seats at the minder that took him who could not be bothered to sit with him. Far from being the kids fault but this minder was being paid and just left him in different seats to have a break from it... Man if you are going to do that atleast be there for them instead of skulking away across to the other side of the cinema and when he shouts out this guy just turned around and waved his hand at him.... Pretty Bad if you ask me how uncaring can you get.
It's just not worth it.
Hi there Fast Break... Han may have had one of those Jedi training remotes for other reasons i.e distraction device to get past guards for instance. or to get rid of mynocks lol
I'd say that in conclusion the technique of making one of those floating Jedi training remotes could be of use to Ady when he get's to ANH:HD to fix the bad compositing.
But making use of the footage where luke is swinging a light saber in thin air would be enough to suggest Yoda was teaching him how to use it more effectively without aid of technology but without making it feel like Rocky IV either...But it is probably not for this edit... Star Wars Kid also springs to mind...But I wonder how it would look rendered with a light saber glow and sound effects It might actually be quite good finished....
If anyone from the community wants to attempt a render of it I would be interested in seeing the result...
Timmdiggerm is right technology is way out the mix on dagobah no remotes should be present here and it got cut for good reason.
Well if I gave them legs they would have 2 saber tooth shaped feet at the front and one at the back...
Dig it?
As rubbish as it is... Anakin forgot to put the landing gear down... Of course they have legs... Or don't they?
@timdiggerm very interesting point are you writing off the PT? If so I don't Blame you!
@ryan that was what I was kind of thinking
Does anyone know where it is meant to sit in the film or is it just one of those rejected ideas so they changed the training scene to eliminate it?
That is what makes me curious about it I can not solidly say where it goes for sure.....
for the placement where I think it would sit well... Requires the other deleted scene of the bombing and Han falling off the pipe so you can bring Lukes chat with Yoda in his hut forward.
I just want to know where it goes in the scenes... Or if at all?
It is complete conjecture really.... not a suggestion.
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Ok Got an answer for anyone remotely interested (get it?)
From the original script it was axed written by Lawrence Kasdan but seeing as it was filmed it must have been a late decision.
Dream Vader & Darkside cave Replaced this scene obviously as it is not in the script
So I prefer the way it is in the movie this positioning for the proposed scene with the remotes is bad but food for thought on a re-arrangement to show Luke being a bad ass with a light saber and to have it in context.... But I have my answer and thought I would share it.
This is not so much a suggestion but more of placement analysis for a deleted scene from Yoda's Test.
The Metal Bar is awful so forget about that please...I don't think it is any good or any real use TBH (unless it could be swapped for a remote?)
I wanted to draw attention to this planned scene
*edit* I know this is not the original comc but the scene is present apparently in the Marvel comic before the film was released...
I know that the deleted scene itself has some issues Yoda being quite wobbly on lukes back and Luke swinging quite wildly for the remotes that are not there. What I most like about it though is that it binds ESB to ANH with Ben and now yoda training in a similar fashion with Ben's Mentoring teachings to Luke were over after they had only just begun.
But forgetting all of that because it is probably an impossible scene recreation... But most importantly where does it go or was it planned to go which is my main point?
I personally think that it goes between the Executor leaving the asteroid field (inter-cut after or before the shot of Executor) and Vader contacting the emperor... It certainly does not go into the training sequence we see later and also It would then be in context as Vader and the emperor are talking about Luke.... Some deleted scenes are quite obvious this one Is not so straight forward...But that may be because it was unfinished? If you think or know that it goes somewhere else I would be interested... But whilst futile in terms of the scene itself where does it go? Or was it meant to go?
Does anyone have the Marvel comic? for the scene order it was portrayed in?
And does the comic follow the movie in terms of scene order?
Steve Johnson XFX who worked on ghostbusters
TV's Frink said:
Serious. Links suck.
With a few exceptions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_JmXCNPs6Y
And this one
That room is a waiting lounge...Not a Hotel Room There is nothing wrong with it.
Perhaps useful practical Idea and / or footage here for Jedi training remotes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS6HEe4LavM
and here
What's all this Ditto nonsense?
I just wanted to say that the scene you did when Luke inspects his hand and Vader contacting him while Luke is flying his x-wing I feel is a real breakthrough in the potential improvements ROTJ could recieve.
10 out of 10 for this particular edit it was genius.
Liking that Poster...
adywan said
And Ronster, love seeing your ideas. Even though they probably aren't what i would want to do for this edit, they could be of use to other editors. So don't feel that just because i may say no to an idea that you should stop.
Bless you Ady Not Like that... I have been over the film and taken into account your 1st post
not treated this list as the holy bible of errors on the film
http://www.moviemistakes.com/film409
Empire Strikes Back was a Radical Departure from Star Wars A New Hope there is not many things I personally would Change with the film and I have shared them all and raised the issue when my gut feeling tells me something is not right with a scene and told you what I thought was wrong or of a possible fix or at least pointed the finger towards issues.
It's more like this now...
whoops one last one...
The lights are off in the tunnel this trooper emerges from...between the 2 pillars only noticed this the other day.
Oh_riginal 100% agreed I really don't want these things spoiled
muddyknees2000 said:
nothing was planned necessarily.....just a few things he'd like to have done, or logically WOULD have done if the original unaltered film had been available in hi-def, or the original audio in enough channels....
ESBR:SD?
only kidding...
Niflamol said:
-Ronster are you the one in the black mesa source forums?-
No No No it's not me....
I certainly not very interested in community projects, or creative projects, or remakes of things done by the fans, or scrutinizing details to try and come up stuff, let alone devote my own time and effort.
:)
@Oh_riginal Putting a star destroyer above cloud city does nothing....And changes nothing.... But I do believe you nailed it when you said you don't need to see anything like ties or star destroyers... I am all for hearing the empires presence increase without seeing it but not bothered if it stays as is in the original... It's a small fix for Lando's lame excuse not to go back that is all too convenient which ever way you look at it and it feels like nothing at all has changed between leaving and having to go back.
Cranking up the tension....With small smattering of touches and creating more of a crescendo to Lukes rescue from the Love of his pals that was what I was aiming for. And that Leia and Chewie were actually putting their lives on the line and Lando's to save Lukes Life.
I have a question for any of the team who can answer I would be interested...
What is the main motivation for replacing the canyon shot... Is it just the background Matte?
And one last thing on this will we see any destroyed tie fighter debris in this new version?
