^^^^ a Wipe on your cool falcon fx shot is a very good choice I think.
That is wipe across the background after the falcon has flown overhead If you get me as the shot you did works well.
I was just thinking of it in terms of watching the 1st film and then sticking the next one on straight afterwards if that makes sense now.
I was not considering any particular span of time that was supposed to have passed between the 2 films. It was "Fun" anyway and I made myself chuckle about the idea this morning. :)
I have just had a thought about how to better link Star wars to the Empire Strikes Back.
Now although we have to appreciate that some time has passed between the 2 films.
The Star Destroyer on the opening shot that let's out the probes. What if it was in proximity to Yavin like they had sent more forces there but obviously the base is empty and evacuated.
Hence the probes and it would be flying away with the Yavin planets in the far distance. Just trying to tell a better story and be less ambiguous. But that could potentially be a small but missing link to make the 2 films join better right from the get go.
There is also a planet we pan down past on the left which could be a better choice but the idea is the same that would be more a brief glimpse. But I do think it would be the better choice.
So whilst I am posting this I thought I would add this one on... Basically I think the color restoration is quite frankly brilliant on this edit, basically the original theatrical colors are practically 100% nailed but is there any plans to get the POV hyperspace jumps back to there original coloration?
This is similar to the starfield & deflector shield flashes, where recompositing has caused the loss of the original coloration.
Will you be keeping Vader " "Set a course for the Hoth System?"
On the view screen you could swap the image of the shield generator for the planet hoth and have "That's it" also
But I think it does work reasonably well. although I thought the shot of the taun taun running in the base was a bit of a strange way to introduce the base.
How about a shot of the rebel looking through the binoculars and then showing the falcon flying like they spotted him?
Just a couple of ideas.
If the transition from escaping the deathstar and hiding on Hoth feels a bit empty you could perhaps use some naration to explain the passage of time.
Perhaps the radio drama will have something you could use.
Ryan McAvoy said:
frank678 said:
theres some really nice intercuts in this, and that piece of music clicks into place surprisingly well in places - it definitely has the feel of an original assembly cut a.k.a. "the lost cut". i'd love to see you build up a version like this. maybe don't sweat the WW2 fighter plane stuff so much now that you have the rinzler stuff and the blu ray deleted scenes?
Thanks and yeah not going down the WW2 footage route now.
I am glad you have decided against the WW2 stuff I think It's just great to see the work print footage and it works really well in B&W
Ah yes I now see what you mean sorry about that.
So It sounds like an amalgamation of both the battles at the end somewhat.
That is an interesting take the Battle of Endor (Shield Generator) could be a ground invasion in this instance on the Pyriamid base in star wars. But they are both forested planets so those could be tied together perhaps at a stretch.
Nevertheless I am intrigued how this will play out.
I think this sounds interesting... But will you be having both battle of Yavin and Endor I would suppose you need both really.
Somehow you could perhaps tease the 2nd deathstar before the first one gets destroyed. This might weaken the victory at yavin and put it into perspective
That real walker is certainly something special Jaitea..... bet it eats up batteries though cool find.
@snaketibe yeah at-at drivers are very cool looking but my favourite is the tie fighter pilots that they were modelled off thanks for sharing that video. I wonder who stole the 1 of 2 helmets? And if it is still around somewhere...
Happy new year folks...
Just stumbled upon this video and these AT-AT 3DS Max models are the best I have seen yet so I thought I would post them see if you can get your hands on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AothYl4evU
Perhaps helpful?
I also did a quick mock up of lukes crash on Hoth with a number of audio ideas but I don't have proper editing software so it is rough but where you hear the sound of AT-AT's firing you will have to imagine the lasers shooting at the snowspeeders and on the actual crash you will have to also imagine the footage reversing and slowing. Not going to bother doing a breakdown of what I did it's not that complicated but it does give the scene more continuity I think.
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/2i6oeogoe0pbkej/Luke%20Crash.mp4
Obviously the main problem is the distance the AT-AT jumps so I hope that can be or is fixed somehow.
As it's the festive season I went for the stuffed taun taun but it came out luke warm.
Bu-dum pish
happy new year
The only thing I can remember finding that I thought that made TFN decent was the fan film "Desert Duel"
This was the best and still to this date, the best fan film I have ever seen so far... fair play to the people who made that and are part of that "place"
Dilan33 said:
I liked the movie at all
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You did not like it?
Seriously this film could have been better but I think the potential lies in quite an easy edit to bring it up a few notches. It does not need anything over complicated.
It's not "the Master" or even "the Hunter" but it's a reasonably good film that could just do with a few chops
timdiggerm said:
Ronster said:
I never noticed anything about wedges voice before... I always thought it was the same actor.
This, btw, is why many people are tired of your posts. Just like you never noticed the voice actor discrepensy, they didn't notice the other little things. If most people haven't noticed, it's probably not worth fixing.
I am going to apologize to you asterisk8 and anyone else here who is angry with me.
Thanks Ray and Blue for sticking up for me they do have a point perhaps I am crowbaring the thread a bit. I have time on my hands at the moment as all my work is finished for this year and to be honest this project is of great interest to me and I have great enthusiasm for it. I have never intended any Harm but perhaps I am causing harm by posting up things for topic on a regular basis.
I wanted to look over the whole films audio and spot whatever I could possibly see that could perhaps be improved I actually felt I had finished this. I then got my hands on a copy of the Gout which got me to sign the petition here for the OT to be restored and released. Anyway all I want to say is even if you are cheesed off with me, please try to appreciate the hours and hours I have actually focused and tried to bring up some details that I have spotted to try to be helpful and not hinder.
I think Han's Blaster was the last stone anyway that I had missed. Job done.
Happy Christmas and Goodwill to all men eh
EDIT:@ Ady Looking Great! Best of luck with it and don't get let yourself feel any pressure It's done when it's done
@ScruffyNerfHerder
Thanks that is really interesting... I actually really wish they had cemented that into the film that if Han did not comply then Vader would have hurt Leia although now you have said it it seems quite obvious but I never really perceived it that way.
All we got was "They never even asked me any questions"
Which is fine but that certainly would have helped explain Han's motives a lot more clearer.
I don't think it was a bad idea trying to tell the story in the appendices of the LOTR amongst the Hobbit story.
I think what it all boils down to is how it has been executed. To say it's a mess and to chop it down to a single film or 2 films would certainly be an interesting watch of how that would alter our perception of the story on film.
There is certainly some huge chunks I'd chop from the first one.. Perhaps it's worth starting this project now and as the films are released by the time the last one comes out there would be less work to do.
I'd be interested to say the least, of seeing this fall into some shape at the hands of some talented editors here.
And whoever does this please cut down on Jackson's miraculous sequencing of utter nonsence they really pull you out the film. Especially that treetop sequence with the orcs. It's like a carry on film.
This pretty much sums it up
Marty.McFly said:
Just...wow.
I think i could go 50/50 on the Correct Blaster sound. Part of me thinks It could really be an enhancement and be a wow and the other part of me thinks it could be damaging.
I think it is one of those that it's worth a try and if it does not work then that is just the way it is...
I never noticed anything about wedges voice before... I always thought it was the same actor.
Han's Blaster Signature Sound.
Han's Blaster (Gun) has a unique sound to it but I spotted some inconsistency.
First shot in the Mynock Cave = incorrect sound
Han shoots the Floor = correct sound plays here
Dining Room with Vader = Incorrect sound
I like the sounds that is used in the dining room but as Ady is adding ricochet shots my thoughts were to put the correct sound for the blaster and use the sound that is present in the scene for the ricochet shots that have been added. Also it would keep his signature sound consistent whilst keeping as much of the original sound as possible.
Anyway just another one I spotted the correct sound of his gun can be heard here.
Yes just spotted this the other day...
Reconstructed workprint is much more fitting title... Apparently somone has offered to colorize the Black and white video to color for this project so another version will be available perhaps in the future.
I think it's interesting but I would watch the original first and if you like it this as a second watch
Shoal of priranahs incoming! Just kidding
Nobody said it was a technical error it was a "Make more sense" suggestion of being sprayed in the face by sonofjones.
From what I can gather people in general have a lot of mixed feelings about this particular audio change from SE and Theatrical but none of it is a major problem. It's all a matter of preference or what they think sounds best so it's just one of those conundrums.
Myself included people have varying points of view yet there is not a right or a wrong just different points of view on it.
Generally seeing mixed reviews over this film... But they improved the Dragon atleast lol apparently this is a shining moment in the film and generally an agreed thing that the dragon is the coolest dragon ever or something along those lines.
Oh well I think it's a home video watch film anyway this one... I want to see 47 Ronin instead I just think it could have the edge at least for me.
Stefsarch said:
Didn't Adywan say that he won't be taking any suggestions?
I apologize I never read that in the first post....
But i won't be taking any suggestions for changes/ fixes for the HD version
That confirms he pretty much knows exactly what he wants to do with it and to be honest that's really quite good.
I don't have many suggestions for ANH:R HD because I think Ady already has it covered in terms of how this will be so I think the blueprints are there if you like.
But something I would like to have seen was a brief inclusion of the emperor. And I think I found the spot. After Luke is doing his lightsabre training and they are coming up on Alderaan. We cut to the conference room.
I was wondering if we could have a brief glimpse of the emperor in this scene over a hologram in the center of the table and phasing out like the conversation has already taken place.
It's the scene where a guy walks in and says "scout ships have reached dontooine"
It's a small touch but it gives the impression of him as a shadowy figure working behind the scenes and no dialogue either.
This is really funny :)
Wait a minute did'nt the stormtroopers give Chewie a Banana to calm him down?
As for the Vader pain sound effects well I don't think that Oompf is JEJ or atleast sounds nothing like him let alone without any Vader voicebox sound on it. That is the point it's equivalent to Luke letting out screams of Carrie fisher or someone else voice.
As for the arrgh that is a sound I could imagine JEJ making so It does not bother me really I am Happy that is being put in to be honest.
I am pretty sure though that the steam sound from the pipe is the same as the carbon freeze chamber. so this is a potential sighting of an edit if one were desired.
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Look this forum is for fleshing things out, being fair on myself here yes I look over things in the film and make suggestions and look for continuous ways to try to improve things. I don't get upset when I get shot down neither so what is the big deal. I also prefer to try to keep the thread on topic as sometimes It really flies off in stupid ways. I am also excited about seeing the project finished. I also posted a audio change list with other peoples suggestions on it. I am trying to encourage good things not bad things here so don't bash me for that.
asterisk8 said:
Reegar said:
The man makes one detail-oriented suggestion and people leap on him. Well, Adywan's edits do in fact revolve around detail much of the time.
It's hardly "one" suggestion. I'm sorry, it must be 40 or 50 suggestions from Ronster in the last few months, and all but a couple are totally ridiculous.
Yep saw that clip lol i am now thinking Homer Simpson "Doh" :)
You know you have a good point there bingo but it does not stop Vader looking stupid even if he fell off intentionally. And the whole pain sound effect that vader is apparently experiencing should not be present. At least this is how I am reading Ady from his comments.
I will never suggest a cut to empire strikes back in a lighthearted manner but i am targetting for termination in the scene prior luke swinging his lightsabre away so we have the impression of a clash at the edge and vader gets pushed off with some chane of Lukes lightsabre in the fall scene and it might be creepy to just hear him breathe before he falls feeding in to what you are saying there Bingo. Like he is luring him but much more deviously and less stupid.
I also really don't like the ompf sound but the arrgh is tolerable i think it would make more sense in the hose in the face scene if that is possible.