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#560483
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Ok so after many hard hours work and learning how to use  the basics in after effects I have made some of my my vision happen albeit in a rough mock-up way. It's easier now to see my idea anyway... In other words it's Sh*t but I like it! :)

Bobba Fetts Demise

http://www.mediafire.com/?04r9tiqg35p6c6q

1. Moved Bobba's gun being chopped off to the end.

2. Moved the rope to the first attack Bobba makes

3. Fixed Lukes stupid Kick and removed Bobba flying in the air behind him

4. Moved Shot of the Barge geing hit again but removed Bobba

5. Removed Backgrounds when lukes hand gets hit so it appears that he is still on the nose of the skiff... Bobba shoots his Hand

6. New Shot for Bobba Taking to the sky for the second time

7. Removed Han hitting Bobbas Jet Pack

8. Bobba's head comes clean off and rests in the sand

9. Removed Bobbas head as he falls from the skiff into the sarlac pit

I don't mind constructive critiscism but it is wasted on me as I have only started using this software and it was not meant to be amazing quality anyway just for mock-up purposes... Hope you enjoy it and believe as I do that it can be done.

The falcon and the x-wing will be on tattooine atmosphere also to allow luke to go home so there will be more new shots coming

I will also be posting another later on

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#560405
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Bingowings said:

RE : Lando and Han vocally patching things up.

If you trim a bit from his thanks to Luke Han could still claim to owe one to Luke (which I don't get because Han saved Luke twice so technically he's still owed one from Luke but I digress) and he could say, "Thanks for coming after me" to Lando, maybe splicing a mention of his name from elsewhere.

In an ideal situation Han would express his undying gratitude to Luke by shrugging it off but with both of them and the audience knowing what Han really means.

So ideally it would be "You still owe me one kid" and Luke would chuckle to himself.

The audio is unusable in this clip due to the turbines generators blowing sand everywhere.... Thats why I am going to try to visualize luke at the lars homstead with a big haboob rolling in.... blotting out the 2 setting suns.... Using only the footage of luke going to the x-wing it's also where he goes after "Meet you back at the fleet" it will be to the music of binary sunset of course with some wind howling sfx

Theres nothing in this scene that is not said when they are leaving and part ways in the ships

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#560390
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Harmy said:

I thought most, if not all, the ROTJ deleted scenes were in fact HD? My feeling about this sort of thing is that if you're going to put this much effort into something, you should try to make it at least somewhat future-proof. I mean, look at Adywan, he decided to stick with SD for ANH:R and he's already planning to redo it in HD.

To me, 720p is the best compromise, you get the resolution of an average 35mm print, so it should be presentable on pretty much any size of screen, and yet it isn't much more difficult to work with than SD even on slower hardware and you can upscale SD footage to 720p with reasonably good results. I believe these are the same reasons why Ady decided to go with 720p for his projects.

But it's of course completely up to you guys - your project, your rules :-)

Star wars Blu Ray is in 720p perhaps you upscale it to 1080p

Deleted scenes are not as a good quality and need cleaning up and would look better at SD or 720p thats my belief...

but if I am wrong I am wrong... Emansfew will show us what resolution can be achieved to look good for those to be incorporated and keep the same quality throughout.

I watch more dvd's than blu-rays so It does not bother me really.

So I've got round to chopping Bobbas head off tonight.... But I still need to remove Han but yes it is all possible to kill him the way I suggested it because I have done most of it tonight... It's only mock up quality but it is most definatley possible

Oh and I fixed Lukes Kick also for it too.... But I moved the guy being kicked rather than shuffling luke over to the left and had to start all over again... So if anyone wants to do this you need to move luke to the left....

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#560324
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Ok, so somthing I have noticed whilst messing around with things is that if the edit is DVD Quality then we could use stills or footage from the Blu-Rays and it would help with re-sizing as a Blu-Ray still is higher quality and bigger picture so you can stretch it or manipulate it and keep the quality at DVD....

And this will make killing Bobba fett possible they way I invisage it.

 

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#560295
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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adywan said:

Jaitea said:

Yeah Monroville & Darth_Neznarf, the foot could be made larger and create more damage, I just used Savmagoett's calculation as a rough guide for how much to scale it up.....It's up to Ady now If he thinks its worth it

I like it. I know its not anywhere near finished but i see you came across the same problem i did when i was attempting it; the foot on screen right just disappears into nowhere. The problem with making things bigger is making the surrounding things react correctly with them. If you want to continue with that shot Jaitea then i would be more than happy to use it if that's ok, full credit going to you of course.

There is something i have been meaning to ask you Jaitea, are you any good with creating CG terrain? There is still a huge problem i haven't been able to overcome and its the Hoth battle cockpit shots. The AT-AT's need replacing especially when there is not only the incorrect number of AT-AT's seen but also that some of them are jumping all over the place, not correctly joined on the surface and always standing still. Now a few years back someone was working on new terrain that i could use, but then just disappeared and stopped answering my emails. I really do still need something like this done. Here is one of his tests:

http://youtu.be/wseA4UHgS8Y

Only an Idea but could you use google earth render a run along some ice at low level and speed it up and adjust the scenery and sky. like to be more parallax

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzZt64h5Bq8&feature=related

or get somone to do a terragen hoth...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svm1uqNZfJ0

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#560142
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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ray_afraid said:

It really bugs me when a film shows a band playing, but the sounds your hear are from different instruments. I know these aren't real instruments, but when it shows the two SE characters blowing horn-like instruments with no sound to match it just makes it look silly. ... then again, the bad cgi, rubber masks and horrible disco tune are already so silly that I guess you'd might as well go the whole 9 yards. Can't we just cut this out altogether?

(EDIT: this is concerning Jaitea's vid. Didn't download Ronsters)

There just somthing really nostalgic about the scene for me so I will disagree with you... But I completly undrstand your reasons.... I prefer this to Max Rebo and the scene is good for somthing if not just a laugh

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#560140
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Jaitea said:

I did something similar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm0xlipOWuQ&list=UUNC_wFaaHDqdhUaXjqJnfQw&index=57&feature=plcp

J

Yeah I saw that one... I wanted to get rid of all the dancers apart from Oola and the Big Girl with the weird dance moves and focus more on band players a bit more like cantina but with what was there to use.

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#560135
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Lol nice one bingowings like the post...

Ok I re-cut Lapti-Nek.... Link below... Hope you like it, I tried to get rid of the close up dodgy puppet singer and make it work including some SE footage also. Short and sweet and I think it works ok.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ndfubkhrsa1m6ix

Let us know what you think for this idea...

@Ray_afraid... I'm gonna fix that Luke looks a bit unsure wait and see

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#560108
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xhonzi said:

I won't be the first person to say this, but I will be the first person to say this in this thread:

As much as I agree that it makes storytelling sense that Luke was with Yoda since the end of ESB, and that the "now I am a Jedi" and whatnot is well placed ahead of his assault on Jabba's palace...

I think it really wrecks Luke's introduction in the film.  Unknown months have passed since we last saw Luke, and he was pretty messed up.  Regarding the reveal that Vader is/was his father, the audience isn't quite sure if Luke will be the hero we need him to be, or the villain he could be.

When he shows up all in black and uses his Jedi powers to still the gamorreans and mind trick the twi'lek... well... I think we're supposed to be a little unsure of the guy.

Also, who's under the hood isn't revealed for a few moments either.

I also think that the Yoda scene is a nice 2nd act scene structurally, and it doesn't really fit at the very start of the film.

Obviously this noble quest you're all on will at best produce an alternate RotJ, so if the rest of you prefer to sacrifice the film logic for story logic, that's fine... but it probably won't be definitive to me.

At any rate... good luck!

I have been messing around with stuff and I can see your point, because I think it would not hurt to keep it the same as the original but there are some opportunities to be missed done that way but I actually believe it works quite well after the new opening I have done and links to later on when luke completes his light sabre because of the crystal he gives him... Stay tuned and I will have the very start until the briefing up as a rough cut. with additions and some audio fixes too.

Although this does not stick entirely to Darth Enders script, I have got it working and it incorporates alot of ideas onn here.

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#560044
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darth_ender said:

Well, here's my thought, and hopefully it's easier than what you're trying to do:

As the troopers first run in, we simply see a couple shots in their direction and one maybe hits the wall next to them, sending up a big cloud of smoke, then we cut to the next scene.  Seems pretty straightforward to me, no need to make it too complicated.

As for the battling afterwards, the idea is that the troops are now scattered and fleeing, and in their disorganized state the Ewoks take them out.  Perhaps if we sawtroopers in armor running away more (perhaps we can find footage, but more likely we'd have to film it), it might get the idea across better, but that's why the battle continues.  Perhaps it doesn't work, but it seems like a good idea to me.  But hey, I'd rather have a good movie than be right, so if I'm the only one, please let me know, guys.  I'd been hoping to get more feedback on the idea.

Perhaps I'm over analysing it.....

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#559968
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I think it is the point at which it is Lasers going off and smoke.....

I tried to use prision cell from ANH in my rough cut to fix this point to show the troopers firing and chewie firing back and then cut away..... I am only saying that it might work better to just have the trick still be the thing that actually gets them in and the ground battle is wrapped up before the shield bunker blows up as we still have the battle going on after this point at present which is perhaps more realistic.... But does it really work?

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#559963
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I have been thinking about the shield generator scene and the pruposed hot-wire opens the door and although I really like it alot it is a really tough nut to crack as to getting it to work convincingly so I think it could be worth bearing in mind that it should perhaps go back to it's original structure some what and have the bunker deleted scene as they first go in and keep it more Hans trick to capture the Bunker is what eventually got them access not brute force to destroy it.... That way it will flow better and we get the "You Rebel Scum" back too.....

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#559962
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Bingowings said:

In the comic book adaptation there was a small Rebel outpost (which possibly tended to the generator station) which is destroyed by the probe droid to cover it's tracks, the loss was put down to a Wampa attack.

I thought it was a good idea when I was ten but without the Wampa sub-plot the effect would possibly be to bring more attention to itself.

It never made the movie so I guess it was dis-reguarded as irrelevant .... Looks like they had enough problems just doing the battle footage without adding anymore in.... The fact the probe discovers the shield was enough to convey the message and lead to the invasion.

It just fell over on the Invasion, I never thought about it that much until I pulled the footage apart.... Do you think it would help to have distinguishing marks on which group of AT-AT's you were looking at? So you would know where you are in the battle somewhat because it is all snow and blue sky....

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#559953
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darth_ender said:

So we've had several votes come in already.  If you haven't voted, I think I'd like it by Sunday morning so I can tally everything on a day off from school and work.

Still not much happening at the other forum.  I hope it was a good idea (it wasn't mine).  It feels like a lot of the energy was sapped from this thread, which is of course to be expected when ideas are being solidified and everyone has a real life.  I just hope it doesn't die.  I'd really like to see this thing through.

So I may have secured a digital copy of the Star Wars Interactive Video Board Game movie.  The plot, it turns out, revolves around the DSII prior to Endor, and the DSII had a functioning superlaser and was going to destroy some Rebel planet.  It gets sabotaged and leaves it in the state we see it in ROTJ.  This is why I don't give a crap about most EU anymore, because even silly storylines that clearly conflict with the OT are made into some level of canon.  But what I like about it is the fact that David Prowse was filmed aboard a Death Star set and James Earl Jones recorded new lines for it.  I have no idea what one sees or what is said, but maybe even a little something could be useful.  I'm sure the video quality isn't great, being taken from a VHS, but who knows?  The audio could be a treasure trove, however, as the movie is an hour long.

This made me wonder if there is other potentially useful audio just waiting to be exploited.  The first thought that came to me was from the Holiday Special where Vader and Bast are chatting.  "I want the Rebels located and identified [a pause long enough for a natural cut] if it means searching every household in the system."  Possibly useful, though I wouldn't know where to put it.  But I wonder if there are other Jones as Vader recordings that could be useful, or even recordings of other actors.  If the lines are short, we may find something close to what we were planning, such as Mark Hamill saying he needed to do some "thinking."  If you guys can think of any potential sources, let us know."

Probably can only use the audio but might be some good lines in there?

There is not much left to Ponder at the momment, alot has been fleshed out on here already... Although there will be another wave soon I guess.

I am on a steep learning curve trying to learn basic after effects stuff at the momment but I got it working and gradually picking up tricks and trying stuff out.

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#559943
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Bingowings said:

It's never been properly established where in relation to the base the generator is.

Presumably it's some distance away from the base or the Rebels would have detected the probe droid much earlier but also presumably it's near enough to efficiently be serviced by the Rebels.

I think your right that Veers starts off with the pack but then heads for the shield alone... Which would make the count 6.

3 for the ground assault front of Echo Base and 3 for the shield generator... So 2 AT-AT's get taken down on their way to the shield while the ground invasion AT-AT's take no casualties from the trenches and Rebel gun placements

Obviously there is a 3rd front with no AT-AT's at all where Vader lands which we see nothing of

The thing is it's so jumbled that it's like you are watching bits of a planned to be filmed ground assault but your not also.

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#559940
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well do you think Veers AT-AT is part of the 3 driving troops across the ice-field or he is out on his own heading for that target of the shield generator because you can interpret it one way or the other.....

oh sorry have not seen them images yet....

But that for me is the real split.

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#559937
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adywan said:

Jaitea said:

Yeah Monroville & Darth_Neznarf, the foot could be made larger and create more damage, I just used Savmagoett's calculation as a rough guide for how much to scale it up.....It's up to Ady now If he thinks its worth it

I like it. I know its not anywhere near finished but i see you came across the same problem i did when i was attempting it; the foot on screen right just disappears into nowhere. The problem with making things bigger is making the surrounding things react correctly with them. If you want to continue with that shot Jaitea then i would be more than happy to use it if that's ok, full credit going to you of course.

There is something i have been meaning to ask you Jaitea, are you any good with creating CG terrain? There is still a huge problem i haven't been able to overcome and its the Hoth battle cockpit shots. The AT-AT's need replacing especially when there is not only the incorrect number of AT-AT's seen but also that some of them are jumping all over the place, not correctly joined on the surface and always standing still. Now a few years back someone was working on new terrain that i could use, but then just disappeared and stopped answering my emails. I really do still need something like this done. Here is one of his tests:

http://youtu.be/wseA4UHgS8Y

When they made the hoth scene it seems they flung it together regarding AT-AT's footage there is no rhyme nor reason as to their positioning and numbers...

The only thing I can suggest is have distinguishing marks on Veers AT-AT which sort of goes it alone I think... While the other 3 drive the troops back across the ice field....

How many are there? we see 5 at the begining through the binoculars I think? or is it 4....

then 2 bite the dust.... Veers heads for the shield generator then there is a shot of 3 driving the troops across the ice-field that makes 6 but we never see more than 5.

Structurally the whole AT-AT and ground Invasion does not make sense coupled with Vader appearing out of nowhere and not knowing which AT-AT is which... Although I really like the whole battle..... when you break it down it falls apart.

I posted on this already on the wishlist thread... Hope it can be fixed....

However if Veers AT-AT is part of the 3 driving troops away across the Ice-field it is a total of 5

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#559563
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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darth_ender said:

Good man, MrInsaneA!  I really appreciate it.  You should have a PM in your inbox shortly.  Let me know if I can help in any way.

Oh this is Good News.... GO MR.INANSEA!!! I am still mocking up some visuals for the begining and will focus finishing it off over the weekend if possible.... It will be for the purposes to display different Ideas and suggestions..... already in the running and amalgamations or augmented suggestions. It will be somewhat crude and I understand that to sell an idea it should be done to perfection but I simply do not have the time to do all this stuff to perfection or have the skill but will do somthing to try and show alot of different ideas incorporated into the first act. And it will be up to you if you think it would work done that way or think it could be done another way better. Or simply leave things alone.

your probably right about the positioning of the tie-fighters would probably break the flow... And where you suggest it should go will probably work better.

VADER BREAKING THE GLASS LANDING PLATFORM

I also wanted to say that if you watch my rough cut 2nd version of the final act I did a mock-up of when Vader breaks the glass and I was pruposing that it would be after he finishes talking to luke when he is alone and he it goes inbetween seeing vader being assembled on the operating table and the cuts back to the landing platform glass corridor. What? Yes Vader on the operating table.... Did you watch it?

It was meant to be a reaction to Luke saying "then my father is truly dead...."

So please check this again... I thought it was an interesting idea and was not too poorly executed but you would have to imagine the glass cracking behind him as that would be CGI Effect.

There are also cut suggestions to the Father & Son dialogue which I think is a definate  improvement also.

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#559300
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MrInsaneA said:

Ronster said:

darth_ender said:

So I've quickly looked through all pages since the last vote was called and have included everything of significance I noticed.  I did it rather quickly, which means I probably overlooked some things.  I'm trying to include links so people will understand references, such as unfamiliar ships designs, lengthy suggestions, music clips, etc.  That may take a bit and I have to study for my first exam on Wed.  Hope to have it up today at some point.  I doubt I'll give a full week for responses, as most people voted on the first and last days, so I'll probably shorten it.

I have another suggestion for you regarding Tie-Fighters we never get to see them launch in the whole trilogy and the method of them launching is really cool with those rails they hang on in the bays so my request is simple can we see some launch just before the battle starts?

That's actually a cool idea. It would be an awesome visual, to see thousands of TIEs flying out of the Death Star. Kind of like bees protecting a bee hive. 

I don't want to take the idea too far but would be happy just to see 1 or 2 launch from a bay on a star destroyer just to fill in that gap that we all know how it is but never witnessed it in a Star wars film before

I guess you'd have a few rows behind the first ones that go but to see it visually would be nice.

Ok so thinking about Yoda giving luke the crystal I have just looked over the footage of when Vader vs Luke at the end and It would be neccesary for when he recieves the crystal through mid air it would be the same footage as when luke checks his hand after he chops vaders off but luke composited in yodas hut although his lightsabre would be off screen below the bottom of the image. Not the shot though where we see lukes face and him clenching his fist though...

It will make it like a de-ja-vu momment and as if Yoda new the future... Handy he's wearing the right clothes... And it might just have the right connotations to it. As Luke throws the light sabre away before he gets dragged into the dark-side

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#559291
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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darth_ender said:

So I've quickly looked through all pages since the last vote was called and have included everything of significance I noticed.  I did it rather quickly, which means I probably overlooked some things.  I'm trying to include links so people will understand references, such as unfamiliar ships designs, lengthy suggestions, music clips, etc.  That may take a bit and I have to study for my first exam on Wed.  Hope to have it up today at some point.  I doubt I'll give a full week for responses, as most people voted on the first and last days, so I'll probably shorten it.

I have another suggestion for you regarding Tie-Fighters we never get to see them launch in the whole trilogy and the method of them launching is really cool with those rails they hang on in the bays so my request is simple can we see some launch just before the battle starts?

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#559274
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emanswfan said:

I'd love to show all you guys the sandstorm scene when it is completed.  I am currently color correcting it followed by a lengthy frame-by-frame process of removing dust, scratches, etc. from the picture.  I have perfected the process enough to get rid of the possible randomization that can occur while cleaning the footage.  You just have to be very handy with the clone stamp, spot healing brush, and magic eraser tools to do so.

Nice Work Emanswfan!!!