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#1049326
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The Place to Go for Emotional Support
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Darth Solo said:

Poe, I’m not an advorcat of the AA at all as a few parsecs ago my car just stobbed in a snow blizzard, the battery chose not to give me any more power …hang on. My bad, wrong AA.

Your car runs on AA batteries? 😛

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#1048138
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My music
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Haha, I’ve only listened to the whole thing once due to the general business of life, but I did in fact enjoy it quite a bit. 😃

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#1046801
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Ask the member of the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church AKA Interrogate the Catholic ;)
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moviefreakedmind said:

How do you and the Church handle the Popes who were blatantly corrupt and clearly cared more about political gain than religion? (Alexander VI for example.)

There are a few points that could be made about this:

  1. God can do good through imperfect, and even downright reprehensible people. We are all human and imperfect to varying degrees, and no one is too evil for God to use. (Whether this applies really has to be decided on a case-by-case basis, as it is undeniable that some popes did cause net harm to the Church.) To use Alexander VI as an example, he brought a lot of order to Rome and protected Spanish Jews, among other things. It wasn’t as if he was wholly bad.

  2. The pope is not infallible in his personal actions. Thus, Church teaching is in no way undermined by bad popes.

  3. The fact that none of the so-called “bad popes” actually changed doctrine can be said to be strong evidence of the guidance of the Holy Spirit rather than the election of the bad pope in the first place being seen as the lack of divine guidance. (Anything you might think is a counterexample of this is best discussed in isolation, as each case is unique.)

  4. Tying in with point #1, sometimes the political actions of bad popes benefited the Church in some ways. For instance, Pope John XII was responsible for crowing Otto I as Holy Roman Emperor which, along with resulting in a more peaceful situation in Europe, eventually resulted in the pope’s own family losing their negative influence in Rome.

  5. It can be equally harmful to have a pope who is deeply religious, but a terrible administrator/diplomat. While it is ideal to have a pope who excels in both areas, and holiness is probably the most important criterion, bad popes seem to have been pretty good on the political field, which was necessary in the environment of Medieval and Renaissance Europe, where religion and politics were dangerously intertwined.

There is probably more that could be said, but I’ll leave you with that for now!

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#1046796
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Ask the member of the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church AKA Interrogate the Catholic ;)
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Warbler said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Oh boy, between you and Warbler, it looks like I won’t be getting a lot of homework done tonight. 😄 (That’s my fault though 😛)

I’ll get to you in a bit. I assume you mean “How do we account for corruption in the highest levels of the Church when it is supposed to be guided by God” or something like that?

Sorry, didn’t mean to keep you from your homework!

No worries, this is a lot more interesting. 😄

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#1046795
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Ask the member of the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church AKA Interrogate the Catholic ;)
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Warbler said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Why do you object to the idea of “conservative vs liberal” Catholicism. I thought in real life there were arguments within your church between the liberal and conservative minded.

I’m not going to deny that there are disagreements on certain issues. A lot of it takes place in healthy discussion (which is good), but perhaps most of it manifests itself in mutual antagonism (which is obviously harmful). First of all, there are two separate types of debates that need to be distinguished:

  1. The debate between those who fully accept the teachings of the Church, but disagree on certain issues that are either morally or theologically ambiguous or neutral;
  2. The debate between those who are orthodox Catholics and those who discard (either intentionally or through ignorance) various teachings of the Church and are therefore heretical.

The second is what comes to mind when I think of “conservative” and “liberal” Catholics. The reality is that those who are most conservative and liberal aren’t truly Catholic because they reject certain teachings of the Church. Those in the middle who are faithful to the Church could also be divided into a conservative-to-liberal spectrum, but it is not helpful to do that because it polarizes issues and shifts the focus onto our differences rather than our common ground, which leads to further division in the Church, as people start to “take sides.”

The question also arises, “What do ‘conservative’ and ‘liberal’ even mean?” If conservatives are obsessed with tradition and liberals with ecumenism and love, then that makes no sense, because both were important to the early Church, meaning that leaning one way is not newer or more liberal than the other. It’s just convenient to use those terms because they coincide with the political spectrum. And since the Church is a religious foundation with a spiritual mission, not a political one, it is harmful to think of it in terms of politics.

The Church has a single, unified body of doctrine, with some room for personal interpretation in some areas. For this reason, speaking of it as if it were divided into two different camps with competing doctrine is harmful to the Faith, as it tends to polarize Catholics and pit them against each other instead of us all being united in our faith.

But if they are actually divided into two different camps, would it be wrong to depict it that?

I don’t think it’s accurate to say that it’s divided into two different camps. I certainly don’t get that impression when I go to Church or talk with Catholics of varying opinions and political leanings. There is a broad range of opinion within the Church, and outside of it (including those who are nominally Catholic, but have heretical beliefs), just as there is in politics, but unlike politics, there are no “parties” to identify with, there is only God. And God is neither conservative nor liberal, and thus neither are practising Catholics (in terms of religion, not politics, I mean).

There should be no “liberal” or “conservative” or “moderate” or whatever Catholics, we should simply be Catholic. If we start breaking off into factions, or talk about the Church as if it was made up of different political parties, we are violating the prayer Jesus prayed at the Last Supper, “that they may be one” (John 15 or something like that).

After a little research, I think you refer to ST. John 17:11

“And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.” (KJV)

There you go, thanks. I’m glad to see I got the quote right, if not the chapter. 😄

“Liberal” or “conservative” in this context usually refers to political views, which should only be secondary to religious ones. The truth is that the middle ground is the best road to take. If you’re too conservative, chances are you don’t have the same concern for the poor or social outcasts that you should and that you favour doctrine over charity. If you’re too liberal, chances are that you are less appreciative of the Church’s traditions as well as being willing to accept some degree of moral relativism, thinking of doctrine as less important than being “nice.”

Neither of those is healthy, since we are called to love and we are also called to uphold the truth. These are both of equal importance. Leaning one way or the other is usually what gets someone pegged as conservative/traditionalist or libera/modernist, which detracts from our main goal and vocation of living Christlike lives.

Hopefully that makes sense, and I’m happy to ramble on some more if you want me to expand on anything. 😉

But isn’t there some division in church in regards to the changes made by Vatican II?

Yes, there is some. There are even those who reject Vatican II, or call it “evil,” or consider it less valid than previous Church tradition. There are others who misinterpret it and think it is an excuse to abandon all things traditional.

The reality is that most of these people are at odds with Church teaching. They do a lot of harm to the Church, often with good intentions, because they misrepresent it. There’s a lot of misunderstanding over Vatican II, which is the source of a lot of division, and in most cases, the conflict is between people who do not truly adhere to the Church’s teachings and thus, rather than being called conservative or liberal Catholics, it’s more accurate to identify them as misguided Catholics, or even non-Catholics in some cases.

Among those who are faithful to Catholic teaching, there is some disagreement over how much tradition should be retained, but in these cases, it isn’t usually strong enough to be called division.

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#1046770
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Ask the member of the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church AKA Interrogate the Catholic ;)
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Anyway, I have a lot to say about The Young Pope now that I’ve watched a few scenes… The worst part about it is that people are likely to think that one side or the other is faithfully representing official Church teaching. The reality is that the truth lies between what the fictional pope says and what the more liberal clergy say.

They say that the worst sin in a priest is pride, so it’s scary to see how many people in the Youtube comments of those videos want a pope like that…

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#1046765
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Ask the member of the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church AKA Interrogate the Catholic ;)
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thejediknighthusezni said:

In Babylon, they were all unified under Nimrod with one purpose and program. Isn’t there much to be said for division? If one group strays, they are not taking all the others with them.

There are many different offices in The True Church, some are Prophets, Bishops, Deacons, Language experts, Teachers, Healers… Why must the local congregations be exactly uniform?

Could they be one under The Logos while diverse in other respects?

Absolutely, and I never said otherwise. The problem with identifying them as liberal or conservative is that you are then pitting them against each other, which is harmful. Diversity is important, but so is unity.

Conservatives are demonized as uncaring. I would contend that it is precisely the opposite. To care for others means to honestly recognize what lifts people out of destructive conditions and to courageously hold to those principles in the face of all the hatred they inevitably receive from the enlightened ones. Moral Narcissists will feed the poor for a day and prance around with great superiority thereafter.

There is truth to that, but I also think a lot of conservatives really lack in charity. I’m making sweeping generalizations, but my main point is simply that one must take a middle ground of charity combined with a firm resistance to moral relativism.

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#1046763
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Ask the member of the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church AKA Interrogate the Catholic ;)
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I just watched the trailer for the show and a few clips on Youtube, and now I have some objections! 😄 First of all, the pope is so incredibly arrogant (I mean not having sins to confess!? That’s not even remotely likely), the likelihood of his ever being pope is almost null. He goes so far as to say, assuming I heard correctly, “I’m God,” which is downright blasphemy. Then there’s some nun who sees the pope as being very holy, which either means the nun is insane or she is only pretending to be Catholic.

That pope would be among the very worst of the Church’s popes, although I do agree with a lot of what he says in various video clips. He’s very hypocritical and arrogant, but he strikes me as more misguided than evil in a lot of what I watched. He’s not the sort of leader I would want for the Church, but he does express a lot of truths that I would like to see a pope give voice to.

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#1046748
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Ask the member of the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church AKA Interrogate the Catholic ;)
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Warbler said:

Unfortunately, I have not been able to see it. I do not have HBO. 😦 I was just curious what Catholics in general felt about TV shows and movies about their Church and the Pope.

Well that really depends on how the Church and pope are portrayed. 😄 If the Church isn’t being made fun of, then it’s totally fine. Representing the pope as less than perfect isn’t bad either, since the pope is human, but the fact that a pope is selected mainly for his holiness and suitability for dealing with present-day situations means that it’s a bit offensive when he’s demonized (unless, of course, it’s a movie about one of the bad Renaissance or Medieval popes…).

Why do you object to the idea of “conservative vs liberal” Catholicism. I thought in real life there were arguments within your church between the liberal and conservative minded.

The Church has a single, unified body of doctrine, with some room for personal interpretation in some areas. For this reason, speaking of it as if it were divided into two different camps with competing doctrine is harmful to the Faith, as it tends to polarize Catholics and pit them against each other instead of us all being united in our faith. There should be no “liberal” or “conservative” or “moderate” or whatever Catholics, we should simply be Catholic. If we start breaking off into factions, or talk about the Church as if it was made up of different political parties, we are violating the prayer Jesus prayed at the Last Supper, “that they may be one” (John 15 or something like that).

“Liberal” or “conservative” in this context usually refers to political views, which should only be secondary to religious ones. The truth is that the middle ground is the best road to take. If you’re too conservative, chances are you don’t have the same concern for the poor or social outcasts that you should and that you favour doctrine over charity. If you’re too liberal, chances are that you are less appreciative of the Church’s traditions as well as being willing to accept some degree of moral relativism, thinking of doctrine as less important than being “nice.”

Neither of those is healthy, since we are called to love and we are also called to uphold the truth. These are both of equal importance. Leaning one way or the other is usually what gets someone pegged as conservative/traditionalist or libera/modernist, which detracts from our main goal and vocation of living Christlike lives.

Hopefully that makes sense, and I’m happy to ramble on some more if you want me to expand on anything. 😉

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#1046709
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Ask the member of the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church AKA Interrogate the Catholic ;)
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I’ve never seen it (or heard of it before now), so I can’t really say a lot. Based on the Wikipedia article, nothing looks particularly objectionable, although I see some things that could be, depending on how they’re portrayed.

Have you seen it at all? If so, are there any specific parts that you’d be curious about? It does seem unlikely that there would be the level of corruption among cardinals that the article mentions, but it is possible. I also object to the idea of “conservative” vs. “liberal” Catholicism. Although I know what is meant by that, I disagree with the use of the terms (that’s a sidenote though, it doesn’t really have much to do with the show).

EDIT: It looks interesting, though. I’d love to have a discussion about some of the issues it references.

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#1046163
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Share your good news!
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Jetrell Fo said:

Booman said:

I recently found a 1959 Grundig Majestic Stereo Console on someone’s curb, they were giving it away for no cost. A few hours ago I worked on it some more and I got the thing working, and surprisingly it sounds GREAT! It plays vinyl records and it has a working radio. My guess is that it’s worth at least $800, and I have it for free. I am so happy 😄

This is awesome. Keep it and treasure it. They don’t make them like this anymore and it looks great in your place.

😃

We have a stalker on our hands! 😮

😉

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#1046140
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Share your good news!
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Handman said:

Whatever happened to just asking people to go on a date? Why can’t people just go on dates without it having to be serious? Aren’t dates meant to test whether or not you want a relationship? All this backtracking and ambiguity and such is so confusing and pointless. The friend zone is not real, the methods were too ambiguous and there was never a chance to begin with.

That’s a fair point, but I also don’t really have time to date unless I either quit my job or stop doing homework, so I figure the slow approach is better than nothing.

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#1046106
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Share your good news!
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I’m aiming to strike a balance between being too obvious and being just another nice guy. I’m not quite ready to date her, and also don’t want to get permanently friendzoned like the last guy who told her how he felt about her. 😛

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#1046100
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Share your good news!
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^Yeah, I’m really not sure which is the better route in my situation. 😛 What I do know, though, is that I’m far from mastering the art of conversation (seriously, though, I suck at keeping a converstion going unless we start talking about something really controversial, LOL), so I’d probably have a better chance of not making things super awkward if I get more comfortable around her first.

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#1046085
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What's the Weather Like Where You Live?
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I’d be happy with a nice, constant 10-25 degrees (Celsius). I’m not sure where I’d find that though–usually the places that stay consistent are either consistently freezing or consistently hot…

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#1046066
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What's the Weather Like Where You Live?
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Tyrphanax said:

It’s not even mid February and it’s already been up in the mid-80s here.

I gotta get back out of the desert.

Meanwhile where I live, we’re enjoying a brief respite of about 40 from about -15 (Fahrenheit…in the system that the whole rest of the world uses, that’s 5 and about -25 to -30 respectively).

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#1046064
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Share your good news!
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I’ve been getting better at it, but it’s hard to talk to her or text her without being a little too obvious (which I don’t think I’m ready for, especially given that she almost definitely doesn’t like me back). I don’t know any of the people she hangs out with, and she only occasionally hangs out with my friend group, so it’s a challenge to really find/make an opportunity for conversation. I’ve been trying to gradually develop a friendship with her, but I’ve been making awfully slow progress. 😛

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#1045869
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The Best/Worst Hairstyle Thread
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This is what your post looked like for me for about 30 seconds:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Gotta a hairstyle you love? Gotta a hairstyle you loathe? Post pics of them here.

I absolutely adore this hairstyle. Women had lots of ungainly hairstyles in the '80s; this wasn’t one of them.

I wanna use this hairstyle as toilet paper.

I was really questioning your taste for a moment. (Not to mention that it seemed really strange that liking a hairdo made you want to use it as toilet paper… 😛)

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#1045851
Topic
Episode III: Revenge of the Ridiculousness
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I was wondering how you were going to convincingly connect the message with the Carpenter’s song before the scene where it gets shut off, but you pulled it off masterfully. Looking forward to seeing this thing in all its pristine and finished beauty.

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