omnimuffin said:
Panakin said:
omnimuffin said:
Panakin said:
omnimuffin said:
Panakin said:
Why not cut out 3P0s memory thing altogether. Perhaps Photoshop in the dagger & the Planet its on in Reys book ? Also instead of the book being about the old Jedi order teachings & lessons. Why not simply have it be about powerful force objects / weapons / force training & learning specific moves etc. It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?
I mean, not in their entire. The obsession with their dogma and their connection to the corrupt Republic was the flaw. The core ideas- peacekeeping, empathy, justice, standing against the dark- these are good, and pure, and they were part of the Jedi long before the Republic crumble beneath its own weight.
Plus, it’s easier to know what flaws of the old ways to avoid if you, uh, know what the old ways are. You know what they say- ‘those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it’.
But Yoda already learned the old Jedi ways did not work. Qui-Gon KNEW the old ways didnt work. Yoda & Qui-Gon alone would show up & explain things. This simply is not any other franchise. The old ways would be completely avoided in proper movies that gave a damn about decent story telling
Oh, you mean like Qui-Gon’s ghost showed up to tell Luke or Obi-Wan what to change about their teachings? We all remember that scene in the original trilogy. It was one of my favourites.
Also, original research will always trump a ghost lecturing you in terms of comprehensive knowledge. Jedi are monks, baby. They’re all ABOUT that research. They’re a bunch of hot nerds with laser swords, after all.
In movies THAT GAVE A DAMN ABOUT CONTINUITY yes the Ghosts would show up & guide Luke & help him avoid making the same mistakes & AVOID making more Darth Vaders for the sake of the Galaxy
Luke’s mistake had nothing to do with flawed prequel Jedi teachings. We have no evidence, frankly, that these conversations didn’t happen. In fact, all evidence points to Luke’s Jedi being a more conscientious bunch.
Kylo turned because he was corrupted by Palpatine, in secret. He was already ass deep in it when Luke went to confront him. Luke’s bad reaction to sensing this pushed him over the edge, sure, but it wasn’t the entire reason, and it had nothing to do with Luke inheriting the flaws of the old Jedi.
Ben Solo is not Anakin Skywalker. He didn’t fall because of some desperate, obsessive desire to save a loved one. Ben Solo fell to the dark side because a) Palpatine had been speaking to him in his head, whispering in his ear, since childhood, feeding his doubts and insecurities, and b) because Ben Solo believed his bloodline, his ‘inheritance’ made him better than his fellow Jedi.
The movies make this pretty clear, honestly. He processes everything through the lens of ‘I am the most important person in this story’. He obsesses with Anakin’s saber, seeing as his birthright. He obsesses over Vader’s legacy and his artifacts. When he tries to turn Rey, it’s ‘you don’t have a place in this story’. He claims to want to destroy the past, but he can’t, because Kylo Ren is obsessed with his role as the inheritor of legacies. It’s a core facet of who Kylo Ren is.
Anakin would have seen what was happening with Ben like Yoda saw what was going on with Luke. Anakin gets through 2 Ben by explaining things with his own words. These movies as is are just bad fan fiction
