Octorox

ChainsawAsh said:

vaderios said:

 

-Angel

That's AWESOME!  Why do so many PT shots have the same color with so little variation?  Perhaps that's part of why the colors were so fucked for the 2004 DVD - there are a lot of shots that used to have nice color variation that now look like they were shot black and white and had a color filter placed over it, just like the above AOTC shot.

Well I mean it WAS supposed to be a sunset shot....there's no hint of that in Vaderios's version. But I see what you mean. Honestly, the more colors the faker the cgi looks...it looks like spykids or something

Janskeet said:

Tobar said:

Janskeet said:

vaderios said:

Ady already uses HD versions to make ESB ;)

-Angel

I'm talking about the blu-ray version LFL will eventually have to come out with.

 

Any official blu-ray release will likely just be the same thing that was released on DVD and broadcast in HD. Adywan is using the (was it german?) HD broadcast of ESB to create his edit. So when times comes to release it there'll be a regular DVD release as well as an HD release (in I believe 720p).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only way to get 1080p is blu-ray, right? I know Ady is using an HD broadcast, but it isn't true HD because it is not 1080p right?

 

no, he is using 1080p broadcasts. He just doesn't have the power or resources to do all of his compositing and effects in 1080p, plus he is taking some elements from the GOUT

skyjedi2005 said:

Ebert's Review even though only 2 and a half stars out of four is over all positive.  I wonder if Hunter6 actually read it.

The opening thing he says really struck me though and is over all a condemnation of the new film.

“Star Trek” as a concept has voyaged far beyond science fiction and into the safe waters of space opera, but that doesn’t amaze me. The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action. Like so many franchises, it’s more concerned with repeating a successful formula than going boldly where no “Star Trek” has gone before."

Which i find curious because he does not explore this in the same context of star wars.  Did not this same man like Episode III.  Geez i mean the prequels were space opera "more concerned with repeating a sucessful formula" Was this dude even paying attention.

I knew in the beginning this movie would be a throwaway action flick just like some of the previous entries the actioners were more sucessful than the cerebral motion picture the rodenberry trek that stalled in space dock and was revived to new life in the wrath of khan.  First Contact and Khan were sucessful action flicks.  Insurrection was a lesser entry though still good without lots of boxoffice returns,  Nemesis repeated themes and added new ones and still was a flop.

Well if you read his Sith review, he basically said that Star Wars was always just a space opera about seeing fun and imaginative new places and things. He felt TPM and ROTS both did that. Star Trek and Star Wars are very different beasts. And anyway, he knew that AOTC sucked so he's okay with me.

Someone should do a fan film "a day in the life of Yoda" that goes through Yoda's daily routine on Dagobah from making breakfast to training with the force. I would honestly watch that if it was well done.

pardon my questioning but if the source is only 16gb how is BD25 vs. BD50 going to make a real difference? If you're going to go BD50 I'd put the whole trilogy one disc!

skyjedi2005 said:

Well i liked Hellboy, have to see Golden Army have not yet.  Liked his direction on Blade II.

Have yet to see Pan's Labyrinth the subtitles and non english was abit off putting.  Plus the plot was spoiled and i really don't like movies with really down endings.  But not all films have to have a happy ending. 

I am happy Del Toro is keeping Smaug's speech.  Early on the studio wanted to do away with that getting images of that bad movie where sean connery voices a dragon.

Having continuity and same actors for a lot of the roles with the lord of the rings films is awesome.  Filmed in the same locales as lord of the rings.  Peter Jackson as a producer and screenwriter with fran walsh.  Ian Mckellen as gandalf, i hope christopher lee returns as saruman.  I also hope to see Vigo as Aragorn, The dude from pirates of the caribbean as legolas.  I want to see how they pull off Beorn the were bear.  Who they choose to play Bilbo baggins and the dwarves.  The music better be by Howard Shore and the London Philarmonic.

I want to see the first convincing fairy story dragon brought to the screen.  It has not been done before.

Since the story of sigurd the dragon slayer has never been put to film at least with the dragon taunting the hero.  They better do the riddle contest in gollums cave, that chapter riddles in the dark was always one of my favorites.

IS Weta doing the effects ?  is it being shot on super 35mm film like lord of the rings?

The Golden Army is EXTREMELY visually stunning and a fun movie but it is short on plot and characterization compared to the first one. There is one scene with young Hellboy that is really cringe-inducing but thankfully it's really short and towards the beginning. What's really fascinating is the "making of" documentary on the second disc. it shows Del Toro's real commitment to practical effects.

Pan's Labyrinth is just amazing. Watch it with subtitles it's not really distracting.

I know the new Hobbit movies are being shot in the same aspect ratio as LOTR (rather than Del Toro's signature 1.85:1) neither Del Toro nor Jackson have shot digital before so I doubt they'd start now. Del Toro has said that he plans to use "less cg" than Jackson and wants to combine animatronics and cg in new ways to create interesting creatures. He said all of the locations shown in LOTR (the Shire ect.) will have visual continuity with Jackson's version but new locations may employ his own style. He is redesigning the Wargs to be more like wolves and less like Hyenas. WETA is doing to the effects but Del Toro is bringing in artists like Mike Mignola to work on concepts and such. Gollum will still be cg mocap and probably played by Andy Serkis again to maintain visual continuity.

focuspuller said:

I'm not speaking about myself, not yet anyway, but I have a question.

To be blunt, when will those of us who are not donating get a chance to see the clip? And also, how far do you intend to go with this "donate to watch" sceme?

I don't mean to be rude, I'm just bieng curious.

I will say that I have my own issues with "how far is too far" when dealing with these kinds of projects, my own included. I of course have only good will towards yours.

Well you obviously won't need to donate to watch the final version so I don't really mind if Ady throws in some hooks for donaters.

You will probably like Del Toro's Hobbit films. He said he's using even LESS cg than Jackson

Grinder said:

Thanks for the heads up ChainsawAsh. Though I'm really NOT in favour of the whole fan-edit business, Adywan seems to have done a good job. Leaving changes to a minimum. I mean, nobody wants to see the Jabba scene ever again, and the color correction looks good from what I've seen. Still, I was talking about the not-tampered-with HD broadcasts. Do you know what the source was?

I think his source was the 16gb german broadcasts, which are the highest quality, but I have no idea where to get them. I think he originally got them of newsgroups.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

ben_danger said:

got carried away.

 

had a tinker with obiwan/jango fight in geonosis.

 

though one thought is to maybe have this scene as he is approaching kamino, as if they are protecting the secret from him.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VASUJhw-qOc&feature=channel_page

 

 I'm digging your style ben_danger...I think we're on similar wave lengths :)

Ya know what might help this fight? IF Jango were to be redubbed you could add him saying a thing or two to Obi over the intercom thingy (like in ROTJ)...

Man, I still hate alot of those CGI shots in this film...the camera and the ships are zooming around all over the place...there's no real weight to them...IMHO  :D

um...they ARE weightless. But I do see what you mean :)

maybe it would be a good fan project for an editor to finish up?

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

ben_danger said:

well AOTC could be like the Prisoner of Azkaban of STAR WARS. without voldemort (sith subplot) the characters all evolved a little, and it was like the intermission before thngs started getting darker. also in ROTS, if the jedi are percieved to be becoming corrupt, palaptine springing the sith on anakin could perhaps seem like a positive thing? (i think ID was talking about this earlier)

id like to see all the PT sabers turned to blue for jedi (just thought to mention that again for the hundredth time) if dooku is rogue, then i guess he could take any colour, but blue may be used. i liked him with yellow in magnolia fan's edition. maybe we should make a screenshot gallery of his many sabers.

an alternative is have dooku as a sith, but not revealed in AOTC, perhaps by shifting ROTS around, and somehow having it revealed at the beginning of it, maybe having that final scene of AOTC with dooku and sidious put at the beginning, but enstead of coruscant, it is somewhere else, maybe a huge battlefleet.

does the EPIII computer game have a different opening to the film?

 

 This sounds promising. I'm still hung up on the whole color lightsaber thing...I can't decide if I like the idea of changing whats already there in the films...but still some cool thoughts!

And moving the Dooku/Palps scene to ROTS? VERY interesting! Although the line: "...the war has begun" seems a little obvious...unless it's used in another context...

Davnes007 said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Davnes007 said:

The only thing I diagree with is having Yoda say 'I Agree' immediately after Palpy says '...the situation is that serious'. I miss the funny look Yoda gives him.

 Thanks for the feedback, 007! :)

I've never liked that shot of Yoda. All of the muscles in his face never stop moving!...?

And WHY is Yoda concerned about Palpatine suggesting this at all? He's wanting to protect Padme. Of course, it turns out that he was trying to put Padme with Anakin blah blah...

I always thought that when Palpy finished Padme's sentence, Yoda looked at Palpy as if to say/think "WTF?...finished Padme's sentence he just did, the force he is using?" (yes, Yoda even thinks in 'Yoda-ese', lol).

So, it's not 'the plan' that Yoda is concerned about, it's Palps possible knowledge of the force that he's concerned about.

:) Just my 1.99 cents worth.

 

I don't know...people finish each others sentences all the time in the real world ya know? But I see what you're saying  ;)

Histeria said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

 

Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14

It's rough but what do ya think?

-Tried making Anakin a likeable guy.

-I've removed the first part of the Palpy office scene thinking (*IF* it should even be used) it could be moved to later in the film.

-Oh! And why the hell does Palpy have to be behind EVERY plot point?! I've removed any sort of reference to that.

-I still don't know what to do with the Jedi and Padme conversation...

A minor thing, but I'd lose "who's trying to kill you" in the apartment scene, to avoid unnatural conversation repetition.
 
i.e.
 
Padme: "I want to know who's trying to kill me"
Anakin" We will find out who's trying to kill you, Padme"

 

 

Yes! Thank you! I hated the way I had it! :D

DarthBo said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

vaderios said:

I Like the clip. Anakin dont be an ass as usual.

I didnt like the last part of the extra scenes that can explained by the later dialogue.

Keep it up.

-Angel

Thank you Angel. Are you referring to the Jedi-and-security-searching-the-building-scene? Yeah...just an idea...hoping it might build a little tension...

I have to disagree with Angel here, I really liked what you did there.

I was thinking about the idea of more senators being killed and a bomb going off in a senate meeting and I had an idea for a scene...

Palpatine: "May I remind the...blah blah...peace is our objective here. Not war."

-bomb goes off in the building blowing up a pod (or two) and killing the senators

-hologram appears (as if the security has been hijacked) of Dooku's face

Dooku: "The republic cannot be fixed. It is time to start over."

-reactions from the senate

-close up of Palps

-wipe to Palps office "I will not let this republic be split in two."

Something like that...what do you think?

:o

make

it

happen

 

 

 Thank you for the complement, DarthBo. And it's funny you want to see that scene...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NAqWKeIFVI

*note* it may take a minute or two...I've just uploaded it.

wow VERY nice

C3PX said:

Gaffer Tape said:

AxiaEuxine said:

ohhh gee thanks for pointing that out, thats gonna bug the shit out of me for the rest of my life. By the way Jedi Starfighters dont have frigging tape decks. PT cockpits for ftw.

Why?  I'd much rather listen to music during my trench run if I had the opportunity!

 

 

Yeah me too. Much rather have some good tunes to listen to while fighting my battles than some fancy CG HUD displays that serves no purpose but to look pretty. Seems like the contrast of a glowing display with darkness of space outside your window would be horribly annoying. Seems like it would create a glare, and glares piss me off.  Give me dimply lit knobs and dials any day of the century.

 

Hey, that's only good if you actually own cassettes! How do you know the PT display couldn't stream my itunes library? :)

ben_danger said:

this has been asked before, but i cant find the post.

 

is there any decent FREE software that i can use to convert a DVD to an editable file type, be it avi, mp4, quicktime etc?

 

does anyone find that when editing a downloaded avi on a mac that the sound doesnt work? both AE and FCP both seem to omit the music ive had to rely on youtube rips just to pull the mp3 of them.

for mac, mpeg streamclip is your friend, you can rip to many formats including DVCPRO50, uncompressed, or, if you have FCP ProRes. Fairmount and MacTheRipper can be used to handle the copy protection

EDIT: apparently it's windows too

http://www.squared5.com/

make sure to grab Perian

http://perian.org/

and the quicktime mpeg playback component as well

shanerjedi said:

Chris Lee provides the voice for Dooku in the Clone Wars?

In the movie, yes. But not in the TV show.

ben_danger said:

SilverKey said:

nice mock-up, ben_danger!

I like the idea of having the Hutts being a part of the Separatists. It makes a lot of sense for the greedy Hutts to join the Separatists which consists of other greedy factions like the Trade Federation.

I'd keep Jabba in the background though, and keep Poggle making the announcement in the arena. Geonosis is his planet after all.

Maybe it would be cool if we could put Jabba in the meeting Obi-Wan is spying on. That meeting is filled with cartoonish characters anyway, and adding Jabba might make it a little more serious. We could even use Christopher Lee's dialogue from the Clone Wars movie to work the involvement of the Hutts into the dialogue

 

thats a great idea with the clone wars dialogue, i will definitely try it. ive been thinking of MAYBE merging geonosis and tatooine in some fashion, but it could make the 'unknown planet in the armpit of the universe' a bit too busy.

having jabba as a background character would work well. i think having him talking was a bit too much 'look, TPM footage works!', but i like the idea of jango working for him like boba does, and the seperatist gang being partially controlled by him.

does anyone here use final cut? i have been making simple cut and paste edits using it, but this was the first one using overlaying objects. is there a way i can make overlayered footage in alternative shapes? i got the square by cropping the left/right/top/bottom sides and resizing it.

the whole idea of this edit is to provide a stronger link in ROTJ for the JABBA opening, it will hopefully make it more of a culmination of six films as oppose to three, with JABBA being an old goon from the previous series.

jedimasterfisher mentioned on youtube that it doesnt work as well without music, i think i agree, but the music i always found conflicting with the 'impending death' emotions that the scene could be providing us with. does anyone have any ideas for an alternative 'anakin-padme' love theme that could be used? may try it with the 'luke-leia' theme.

I actually like that scene with no music. works well. To use a shape other than a square use the 8-point garbage matte tool in fcp. It wont be perfect but it will look better

great shot

 

The thing i was trying to get across is that in the Ot the designers and set builders did a great job making things look like they didn't come from our time and universe even with the limitations of what stuff could be used, whereas the PT many things look like we actually could have these things on your desktop PC or car etc. I don't think that any of the sets in the OT look dated at all. from a design point of view they work perfectly. you have to remember a few words that start the movie...."a long time ago......" . everything in the OT universe had that lived in look which went against the grain of usual sci-fi. The PT could have been any old or modern day sci-fi using character names from Star Wars. The PT will date a lot worse than the OT ever will.  All the buttons and switches gave the sets character which most of the PT sets sorely lacked.

I remember when i was a kid and i always wanted to redecorate the rooms in my house into sets from the movies. i actually still would love to do something like that now. But there isn't a single set piece in the whole PT (accept fro reused sets from the OT like the stardestroyer bridge or the Tantive IV etc) that i would even want to recreate. i found that kinda sad. The whole design element in the PT is very forgettable

Octorox said:

As someone who uses my ipod touch everyday, I think the PT starfighters seem a lot easier to use. I wouldn't know where to start with the Falcon, the PT ships probably have a step by step set-up wizard and nifty one-touch autopilot. :)

and there is the problem. wasn't Anakin supposed to be a great pilot but if everything is so easy to pilot then that means anyone could pilot a starship. the OT ships all looked like you would have to actually learn how to fly them and not rely on a computer and idiot proof interface to do all the work for you.

 

But that's just it. It's a freighter. Wouldn't a freighter be designed so they could get any idiot to pilot it and pay them minimum wage? Wouldn't, in an age where intergalactic travel is a click away, automation be used as much as possible to make things more efficient and cost effective? not need as many workers and pilots?  have cute and intelligent astromech droids when practical AI could just be built into the ship? Wouldn't cloning be more expensive than mass creation of droids? Wouldn't an empire, which can rape the galaxy of it's riches, have ships and costumes designed with reckless extravagance rather than bar bones minimalism? does the emperor have some better motivation for being even than just ya know, cuz he's evil? Shouldn't he have a big plasma tv and staff waiting on him hand and foot with a droid to scratch his ass?Do the laws of economics even apply in the Star Wars universe?

But that's not a serious argument. Star Wars is fantasy, not sci-fi for this reason. It's fantasy set in space. Therefore it need not make sense and the ship designs in the OT are fine :).

ChainsawAsh said:

Jedi Dark Knight said:

Just as a side note just because something has buttons and switches doesn't mean it's more functional, but rather it's less sophisticated. A lot of it looks like elements from today's society? back in the seventies everything looked like the Falcon: switched and buttons, technology has advanced to the point you don't have to have a dashboard with fixed buttons, but rather it can reconfigure to the situation in a nice touchscreen. You put the example of the Jedi fighter and that ship still has a lot of screens.

Let's also not forget that these films don't take place in our future.  And sometimes using something from our own time helps lend things a bit more credibility, "grounding" it in our experiences if you will.  Sure, the PT stuff looks kinda cool, but it doesn't feel like it "works" IMO.  While the OT stuff looks "dated" to us, it feels like I could walk up to it and figure out how to fly the Falcon if I wanted to - it could "work."

I know that's not the most articulate argument, but that's the whay I see it.

As someone who uses my ipod touch everyday, I think the PT starfighters seem a lot easier to use. I wouldn't know where to start with the Falcon, the PT ships probably have a step by step set-up wizard and nifty one-touch autopilot. :)

vaderios said:

How about adding holograms all over the place like Coruscant in AOTC? I mean in bespin when lando alerts his people we could have holograms like Wall-e to indicate danger.

^Yeah of course im kiding. :P

 

-Angel

EDIT:double post :(

vaderios said:

How about adding holograms all over the place like Coruscant in AOTC? I mean in bespin when lando alerts his people we could have holograms like Wall-e to indicate danger.

^Yeah of course im kiding. :P

 

-Angel

but honestly it's a city. I don't see why that's impractical. NYC city has flashing lights and giant screens and electronic billboards everywhere.

ChainsawAsh said:

ladyferry said:

Please add it? I beg of you! its a stunning idea and we all love it...

 

Speak for yourself.  I, for one, think it's completely pointless, and if it were in ESB:R I would begrudgingly accept it in the same way I begrudgingly accept the torture droid lightsaber in ANH:R.

So in other words, what I'm saying is thank you for not adding it, Ady. :-)

but honestly, why would they use tech that's outdated TODAY. A Hyperdrive is not cost prohibitive and yet simple touchscreens are?

Asteroid-Man said:

Does anyone know the real names of ID, TJD and adywan?

Adywan- Adrian Sayce it's on the ANHR credits

xhonzi said:

You know... mythology.

I agree. Sometimes I think emotional and thematic continuity is far more important than literal continuity. I think overall, Lucas failed on both accounts excepting possibly for the last 5 or so minutes of ROTS , birth of vader on, which I love.

To lazy to post post a screenie, but yeah, I'd say there is a bit of a pink tint in parts of ANH. Especially the Tatooine scenes. It's blown to insane proportions in TPM tho.