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#1121516
Topic
General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Mocata said:

DominicCobb said:

Mocata said:

Okay so this may be a fake memory type of thing, but has Moff Jerjerrod ever said ‘we shall redouble our efforts’ ? I sometimes still think about this in that opening scene.

Wrong thread http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/General-Star-Wars-Questions/id/57205

Looks like this thread, only with a lack of vision.

So, double or redouble?

Your hate has made you doubly powerful.

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#1121494
Topic
General Star Wars Questions
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Z6PO said:

You never heard of the Millennium Falcon? It’s the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs

But… Who was piloting it? 😉

From Snokes.com:

Anakin Skywalker, alongside General Obi-wan Kenobi, piloted a Corellian light freighter through the Kessel system in 11 parsecs during the year 25 BBY as part of an undercover operation for the Old Republic. However, the ship was damaged beyond repair in the attempt, and was destroyed soon after. Stories were told of the legendary run, and soon many used-ship dealers in the Kessel system claimed to have salvaged the vessel. Han Solo was suckered into buying one of these dubious vessels early in his career, and has stuck with the dealer’s story ever since.

It goes without saying that Obi-wan is one of only two people in the galaxy with the firsthand knowledge to contradict Han Solo’s tall tale.

TV’s Frink said:

Yeah, it only took one post to get to the exact kind of question that goes in the Random Thoughts thread.

JEDIT: But don’t blame yourself, this is all Neverar’s fault.

Except that:

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

We need a stickied thread in the General Star Wars Discussion for general Star Wars questions (and sticky the Star Wars Random Thoughts thread).

Everything you said is correct.

Possessed said:

Only the odd numbered ones? So you don’t recommend the original? Or if you’re discounting the prequels you don’t recommend ESB but you do recommend Jedi? Or were you making a Star Trek joke? I need answers plz.

Some questions don’t have answers just as some peels don’t have bananas and are merely there to trip you up.

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#1121327
Topic
General Star Wars Questions
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I realized that while there’s a thread for Star Wars Random Thoughts, there’s actually no thread for the answering of questions.

So here it is. Do you want to know what order to view the Star Wars movies (I recommend only watching the odd-numbered ones)? How about the number of versions of the original film which have been released (327 so far), or the true identity of Snoke (REDACTED)?

Ask away!

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#1121322
Topic
The New Thread Thread
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We need a stickied thread in the General Star Wars Discussion for general Star Wars questions (and sticky the Star Wars Random Thoughts thread).
It might cut down on the number of random threads being created for questions which have been asked and answered innumerable times already.

Also, it would be nice to have a similar stickied thread in the Preservations section for questions, and a stickied thread in the Fanedit section for Random Fanedit Questions and Ideas.

JEDIT: Started the questions thread. Deal with it.

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#1121288
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
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I think a lot of people see the greatness achieved by Empire and forget that it stood on the shoulders of Star Wars. Sometimes even I forget, until thinking back on it or perhaps reading The Making of Star Wars. Every single decision that Lucas made, from the precise blend of hundreds of pop culture inspirations to the (at the time) unique used-universe aesthetic to the dramatic documentary style of cinematography to the dynamic archetypal characters to the unsurpassed level of design in the production to the classic score - hundreds of decisions like these had to go into making this movie, and none of them were guaranteed to work.

What I’m trying to say here is that the ability to even craft a working Yoda is insignificant next to the original conception of the Force.

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#1121228
Topic
The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
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Very well, I’ve removed the TIE shot. With that removed, I’ve had to return the Kylo/Hux bickering scene to later on.

Actually, it’s yet another case where a simpler edit may be more effective here, since the only real problem is the incompetence of the First Order. This could be solved by removing Hux’s line ‘Send a squad to the wreckage’. Now his final line in the scene is ‘They were going back for the droid’, and this allows for the implication that they will track Poe and/or Finn to BB-8. After all, in this new scene ordering Rey hasn’t arrived at Niima Outpost yet, so the First Order should still be in the dark about the droid’s whereabouts. Here’s the new order:

-Poe arrives on the Finalizer, Finn is accosted by Phasma
-Poe is interrogated
-Rey’s day and finding of BB-8
-The Rescue
-Hux learns the location of the crash
-Finn awakens/sees Niima outpost (I still like the dawn idea, but either way works now)
-Hux and Kylo bicker
-Rey arrives at Niima with BB-8/Plutt bargains for the droid
-Finn arrives at Niima.

I like this sequence since there’s a logic to the First Order’s moves. First they track Finn, then once he arrives at Niima Hux wants to destroy everything while Kylo wants the droid’s capture. Plutt’s capture attempt fails, so they resort to destruction.

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#1120922
Topic
The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
Time

Here I’ve set it at 75% in the first scene and 35% in the scene that follows, so that it appears that dawn is breaking: https://vimeo.com/239303723
Password: Finn

I also mocked up a terminator line on the planet during the TIE escape to continue with the continuity, and found a place where the Apocalypse TIE shot actually makes sense.

This version of events requires Rey and BB-8 at Niima outpost to happen after this section, but I’ve got a version of events that works fairly well, and is more realistic in some ways than the original film:

-Poe arrives on the Finalizer, Finn is accosted by Phasma
-Poe is interrogated
-Rey’s day and finding of BB-8
-The Rescue
-Hux sends the squad to the wreckage
-Apocalypse TIEs
-Hux and Kylo bicker (work in progress)
-Finn awakens/sees Niima outpost
-Rey arrives at Niima with BB-8/Plutt bargains for the droid
-Finn arrives at Niima.

This solves the strange editing in the original where Plutt calls for some goons to beat up Rey and then we have to wait for Finn to rescue Poe, get knocked out, come to, run 20 minutes to the TIE, and walk for hours to Niima before the goons find Rey.

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#1120918
Topic
The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
Time

DigMod said:

Do all questions have to or need to be answered?

Of course not.

My whole problem with Poe’s escape is that the movie tries to provide a single, pedestrian explanation for events when it should remain open to imaginative embellishment. It implies that Poe was unconscious for the rescue of BB-8, then found a way back to the Resistance in time to save the day at Maz’s Castle. It’s fine from his point of view, but it’s not particularly interesting and makes the First Order look like a bunch of incompetents for not finding him.

To make the scene happen at dawn it would allow for more interpretations, including many acts of derring-do which cast himself and the First Order in a far more impressive light. The film can suggest, but it’s a very Star Wars thing for the viewer to build the action in their imagination.

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#1120879
Topic
The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
Time

But why wouldn’t they keep looking for the Best Pilot in the Resistance and the traitor that knows about their entirely secret Starkiller Base? I think a squad of 8-14 soldiers in TIEs and perhaps a shuttle would find both people quite handily, especially since life detection equipment was in use in ANH and ESB by the Rebellion and Empire.

Since Poe says he was thrown from the crash, it makes it sound like he didn’t eject.

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#1120761
Topic
The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
Time

That’s the original implication, but it doesn’t make much sense either way.

If he was thrown from the crash (didn’t eject), then he probably couldn’t have flown far without suffering major injuries or death on impact. In that case, Finn or more importantly the First Order would have found him. And if both Finn and Poe were lying unconscious in broad daylight fairly near to the TIE, then the First Order would have been completely blind to have missed them in their search, especially knowing exactly who they were looking for and where. I assume in all of this that the First Order has already searched the TIE by the time Finn awakens, since if they arrived after that they would have quickly tracked him down anyway.

So in an attempt to make the First Order something other than completely incompetent, I thought that his statement ‘I woke up at night, no you, no ship, nothing’ could refer to him being without Finn or a working ship and having to steal the Stormtrooper squad’s transportation. It’s a stretch, but it is no less illogical than the other implication.

Perhaps if I add the sound of two TIE fighters taking off (perhaps gunfire), and this is what awakens Finn…

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#1120623
Topic
The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
Time

There’s some confusion for me about Poe’s escape from Jakku. Poe only says that he woke up at night thrown from the TIE wreckage, unable to find Finn. This could mean that he woke up before Finn or after Finn and Rey left Jakku. An attempt at clarification, by changing the mid-day sun to dawn:

https://vimeo.com/239217816
Password: finn

(It might work better to give Finn’s investigation of the TIE a 50% correction as well to make the transition from dawn to day more gradual)

My imagined sequence of events is this: Poe has awoken in the predawn darkeness to the sound of the First Order searching the TIE, and he makes his escape as the First Order chase him. The First Order assumes that Finn is with him or was killed. Finn then awakens at dawn and finds the empty TIE.

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#1120594
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

Warbler said:

NeverarGreat said:

Here’s the exact exchange from Star Trek '09:

KIRK: There won’t be a next engagement. By the time we’ve gathered, it’ll be too late. But you say he’s from the future, knows what’s going to happen, then the logical thing is to be unpredictable.
SPOCK: You are assuming that Nero knows how events are predicted to unfold. To the contrary, Nero’s very presence has altered the flow of history, beginning with the attack on the USS Kelvin, culminating in the events of today, thereby creating an entire new chain of incidents that cannot be anticipated by either party.
UHURA: An alternate reality?
SPOCK: Precisely. Whatever our lives might have been, if the time continuum was disrupted, our destinies have changed. Mr. Sulu, plot a course to the Laurentian system warp factor three.

“altered the flow of history” in other words: changed history, not create a whole other universe.

UHURA: An alternate reality?
SPOCK: Precisely

From Wikipedia(empahsis mine):

A parallel universe is a hypothetical self-contained reality co-existing with one’s own.

the terms “parallel universe” and “alternative reality” are generally synonymous and can be used interchangeably in most cases