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#1070587
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut)
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So, I’m going to stop working at this for a bit. Temporarily. I’ve already been working on it less and less, but as the semester at college is coming to a close, and finals week is nearing, I’ve decided to put it on hold for now. So no new updates for a while. Not that there were a lot anyway.

That said, I do have a very unfinished rough cut with the newest (pending) changes and ideas. So if anyone wants to preview this latest mockup version, hmu. i live for feedback btw

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#1069391
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George Lucas
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And honestly, I do think he knew that. It’s just that no one wanted to do the prequels for him, because this was when everyone still thought he was a genius - Spielberg and whoever else didn’t want to “ruin his vision”, or deal with the pressure that would come with doing them.

We can be cynical about it and theorize no one wanted to do it because maybe his initial treatments of the prequels were terrible or whatever, but I don’t think anything about those movies and its ideas ended up seeming un-doable by anyone. You definitely could have made something great out of a lot of thematic stuff there. They still worked to some fraction of an extent, despite of what you think of those films. People then just had faith (a little too much) in him, or just didn’t want to help him.

So I think characterizing him as this narcissistic crazy guy is a little wrong. He’s been very open about his insecurities about this “movie for 12 year olds” he made in 1977. It’s why he continued tampering with it long after they were released in theatres.

I don’t even think his ideas are too far out there, he’s actually responsible for reigning in/veto-ing the more out there ideas that never made it into the prequels and Clone Wars animated series. So we know he has/had a somewhat specific vision (he’s not just doing whatever the hell he feels like) - he just needs to organize them, or get someone to organize them for him, and learn that some things - like the OT - were fine and don’t need to be fixed.

Stuff like “he hates his fans” is just self-victimizing and immature, and is only ever true when you start saying stuff like that to antagonize him. I mean no disrespect to anyone who genuinely believes he was out to get them by not releasing the OOT, but I do hope they get some perspective.

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#1068917
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Machete Order? mmm
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Sam Witwer had a really interesting order (for kids at least), and it went TCW, ANH, ESB, ROTS, ROTJ.

Anakin would be their hero. When they see what’d happened to the galaxy and that Darth Vader killed him in ANH… Finding out that they’re one in the same in ESB would blow their minds even more than it did for any of us. They would have actually known Anakin and not just heard about what a great guy he was from Obi Wan. You also eliminate 2 out of the 3 prequels.

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#1068881
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Are the Prequels Even Worth Watching Once?
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You’re right, I’m sorry. I didn’t realize that term held as much negative weight as calling others stupid or inferior. But it does apparently. So I apologize for offending you. I just assumed we were all a little thicker skinned, since we seem to be fine dishing it out. I was also calling myself a “fanboy” to be fair.

I am sorry, hopefully no one misconstrues me as disrespecting them.

Mocata said:

Sure I was one of those kids. Kids are stupid. I saw the whole prequel trilogy in theatres and didn’t have a lot of complaints at the time. We hit each other with sticks after the screening, re-enacting TPM after seeing the climactic duel. It’s embarrassing but I was one of those ROTS fans when it came out. But people change and we grow up, some later than others. While something like The Lord of the Rings got better when rewatching, cementing its status as a high point for the genre, the prequel DVDs gathered dust and were eventually cleared out. I’m not being critical just as an OT fan, but as a film fan. All the lofty ideas can’t save them from becoming tedious and badly written.

If you look at it all as one whole, you have to admit that only certain things stick. Is Podracing still a thing? The Clone Wars might not have been so popular without all those TV episodes lifting it up. They made TFA the way it is exactly because of those ‘general audiences’. They are still making enough plastic R2D2 merchandise to destroy the world’s oceans several times over, so the real cultural impact is still 1977 not 1999.

I don’t disagree with you. I just have a different point, and I honestly think it’s fine for other people to not really care about it, because it’s not something most people have to think about. And in that way, you’re absolutely right. The PT doesn’t have the same amount of impact as the originals do. I even said that.

But I don’t think it should be outright dismissed because of that. I don’t blame people if they do, ofc. The movies aren’t great IMO. And a lot of why they were allowed to have the impact they did is because of the originals, anyway.

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#1068795
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Are the Prequels Even Worth Watching Once?
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Right, and the prequels have massive faults like that (although to be fair, some of those aren’t true), but in a cultural context, the prequels do hold significance to the current state of blockbuster, digital film making, and mainstream storytelling.

No one’s studying the prequels as an example of good filmmaking, obviously, but its ambition with technological innovation and strides made with the concept of diegesis in film worlds is worth discussing in an analysis of where the industry is now, where we are today as a critical audience, and what the “general audience” as a phrase means to a studio when it comes to making movies. It’s a little more academic and admittedly pretentious, than whether or not a character or faction in them was iconic. It’s more to do with cultural shift, rather than revolution or phenomenon.

And we shouldn’t downplay the trilogy’s effects on the generation(s) that have and will grow up with it. Sure, these particular films coast on the brand name established by the OT, but they’re there, and are introductions to more complex ideals that aren’t in a lot of works directed at a younger audience. The same way Luke Skywalker taught us “basic” good vs evil lessons (I’m being reductionist fyi), there are plenty of implicit morals in the PT that wouldn’t hurt towards better equipping someone in dealing with where the world is today. There is plenty of substance in these films, despite its objectively poor direction. It’s allowed to resonate with people, especially those not educated about what makes it objectively weak, in spite of that poor direction. Not everyone thinks and scrutinizes the same way a film student or critical OT fan does.

To get anecdotal rather than academic about it, try not to think about it as “either or” the OT or PT, because a kid nowadays grows up with both (As well as the ST and spinoffs now I suppose). Additionally, the only reason we know so much about what went wrong with the PT is that we can analyze the incredibly well documented process through the wealth of special/bonus features released with the DVDs - but that kind of thing being easy access definitely inspires aspiring filmmakers.

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#1068761
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Are the Prequels Even Worth Watching Once?
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I do think people don’t give the prequels enough credit. They’ve given me a lot of material to work with in writing academic papers for my film major, and while the crux of film studies and theory is over-scrutinization and analysis of what is essentially entertainment, there is a lot of stuff in the prequels that I’ve found has been significant and/or subversive to film form, production, and storytelling. Not in the context of Star Wars for original trilogy fanboys ofc, just in the context of film history. Obviously only in the last 20 years, and much quieter than the original’s immediate cultural phenomenon status.

They may not have the objective strength as quality films alone, but there’s diegetic ambition and symptomatic relevance in these films that shouldn’t be overlooked because Hayden doesn’t like sand and Jar Jar Binks issa bombad.

I’m not even saying that the changes to the industry brought on by the prequels were good, either. But for better or for worse, they are significant films. It is probably more worth it to read about and study them as opposed to watch them for entertainment purposes, but even then, there is value in how the prequels continue play a role in the development of future generations; kids who don’t know too much better and do enjoy them.

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#1068665
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut)
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LordRorek said:

I love every change you’re planning on making except the fact that Yoda and the Emperor won’t be fighting.

I just don’t agree with people’s justifications for removing this like that “Yoda is mystical and doesn’t fight.” or “Yoda is too old.”.

My feeling is that he has this one chance to end the empire and the sith forever. So he feels it is his duty (as one of the few remaining Jedi) to try and defeat the Emperor even if the effort kills him.

Now I agree the fight on Mustafar should be completely focused on Anakin and Obi-Wan without cutting between the two fights. One solution I have seen other fan-editors use is to make them two separate fights with the Mustafar landing pad scene acting as a breather in between them.

This just my opinion and don’t take this as criticism of your edit. It’s shaping up to be my fave edit of ROTS.

Keep up the good work. 👍🏻

I do agree with that reading of Yoda’s character, especially in the context of TCW, where I obviously don’t mind a lot of things like that and Obi Wan knowing R2 and stuff. I also like the somewhat symbolic imagery of watching the Senate hall literally being broken down and torn apart in this scene - really kind of signifies the end of this era.

My problem with it is that it kind of breaks the flow of things, specifically emotionally - and when it comes down to it, it is just another action scene. We go beat to beat to beat of Obi Wan and Padme finding out about Vader, to them both wanting to personally confront Anakin, and I’d rather have that play out the whole way through. The Yoda/Emperor thing is just so divorced from everything else, because they were never our perspective in the rest of the film: that’s Anakin, Padme, and Obi Wan. Yoda especially doesn’t do much in the movie. The main question I had to ask myself was what would be added to the story of the Empire’s rise from A/P/O’s perspectives by watching Yoda lose to Palpatine? It really is just another fight scene, one that distracts from the main plot and emotions. I’m not saying he wouldn’t have wanted to do something, but I can’t have him do something at the expense of what should be the focus. Yoda was never a focal point of the movie - besides the Order 66 scene - it’s distracting to have him share the climactic spotlight with Anakin and Obi Wan, even if it plays out before Anakin and Obi Wan duel.

Besides, it’s not like Yoda is being a coward. He even says “Until the time is right” later, so he’s being pragmatic about what they can do here and now. I know the idea is that he only learns to be like that because of his loss to Palpatine, but it’s just unnecessary. Idk, I’d have liked to keep in, but it doesn’t do much for my cut.

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#1062598
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut)
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Once Palpatine says that he knows the nature of the dark side, Anakin stops and steps ahead of him. He doesn’t ask “You know the dark side?”, he just kind of goes on guard and glares at him, so you can infer that he already has an idea of where it’s going. He doesn’t ignite his lightsaber yet. He lets Palps talk until “…save your wife” then he ignites his lightsaber without asking “what did you say?”

So he doesn’t automatically assume Palpatine is a Sith Lord, but once he hears about the dark side, he stops verbally engaging with him until there’s more “proof” of Palps’ sith lordiness, which is like one and two more sentences, I guess.

And since we’re on the topic of this scene, something else I did with it was I cut the “more and more I get feeling that I’m being excluded from the council…”

I changed the lines a bit so it now goes “I wish I knew… But I know there are things about the force that they’re not telling me - (re-insert) I’m being excluded from the council.” Anakin is supposed to be more confident all around in my cut, I think him making a direct assertion about what’s going on, and not what he kind of thinks/feels is going on better serves that.

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#1061383
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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I really don’t agree with the notion that intelligence has anything to do with the right to appreciate Star Wars in whatever way you like.

And maybe the “kids” thing doesn’t matter. (kids do fall under the “SW fans post-SE” umbrella tho)
How about just a general respect for others? You don’t have to associate with people you disagree with, but jesus, once you start to think you’re superior in any way, how do you not see how that’s toxic?

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#1061371
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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I get that we’re on a forum called OriginalTrilogy, but we can favor the OT without bearing more of that toxic ill will or disrespect towards anyone else who thinks differently. If we want to put it in perspective, “pro-prequels” are more likely to be younger, and at a point you’re really just shit-talking kids. Way to go, champs.

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#1061360
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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I hope fans at Celebration treat Hayden with respect. He’s really not a bad actor or guy, and he’s a fellow Star Wars fan when we get down to it.

But he’s an important part of the Star Wars legacy now whether you like it or not, and I hope no one tries to take that away from him or anyone else who’s grown up with or are fans of him.

Him being here or in TLJ won’t affect the original movies, our preservations, a possible 4K restoration, or whatever your personal perspective on Star Wars is.

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#1061339
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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It really rubs me the wrong way that someone could think they have a patent on what Star Wars is and should mean to the millions of people who are fans of it. The beauty of it is that it does span so many generations and can - depending on who you talk to - be a sci-fi, or a fantasy, or a western, or crime and gangster flick, samurai or war film, or whatever the hell else.

Some people see fun/quirky kids films, others see philosophical samurai/western films, or a tribute to Flash Gordon, or just a franchise summer blockbuster, war movies, or a generation-spanning space opera/epic. Whatever it is to you, it doesn’t matter. And you can be on and off board with the franchise at whatever points you want, because you like a specific aspect of its universe more than the rest - but don’t try to assert that your perspective is the only one that matters because in your mind it’s “objective”; that you’re the smart fan. It implies you think everyone else are stupid sheep, but there’s no way to justify that with something so diverse. There’s no “right” or “wrong” way to do Star Wars.

It’s not like everyone doesn’t understand what Alderaan is saying. They’ve clearly demonstrated an understanding of his opinion, (having heard it so many times), and all anyone can really do from there is disagree, if they do. We’re discussing on a forum. It really doesn’t matter if someone thinks differently than you do about Star Wars. Especially about Star Wars.

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#1060686
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut)
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Don’t worry guys, I was never going to quit, and I didn’t think no one was interested. I just (for some reason) felt pressured to finish sooner than later before. I guess once I made the thread, I felt like I couldn’t come out with nothing for a while, because I started when I wasn’t as busy as the current school/work crunchtime I’m in.

On the grading: As I’ve recently gotten into the editing with the schorman HDTV source of RoTS, I’ve gotten kind of used to how it looks, and I don’t mind it as much as the blu rays. Changing the colors just started feeling like one of those unnecessary changes Hal warned me about. Not to mention that it’s a lot of work. There’s probably going to be some subtle changes in the reds of their faces (white balance), saturation, and a few shadows in the CGI to actor relationships, but nothing noticeable. The general color scheme and the shade/lighting of lightsaber colors are going to stay the same. Sorry to people looking forward to that.

Hal 9000 said:

Sounds like a great philosophy of Vader; I really do look forward to what you end up producing along these lines.
Since you asked, my idea with LOE for Anakin was that he becomes involved in growing tensions between his loyalties to the Jedi Order, Palpatine, and Padme. He’s tossed around for a while, then Palpatine springs this nightmare on him as a manipulation. From that point on, he leans toward Palpatine and has to make the final decision when pressed during the ‘assassination attempt.’ All along, he never appears paranoid (a byproduct of changing his storyline in reshoots IMHO) until we see him talk with Padme on Mustafar, after he has steeped himself in the darkness. It’s really not that different from what ROTS was going for with Anakin, just restructured to have it make more sense, arguably reaching closer to what the pre-reshoot version might have been. In my version, as in the original, Anakin still carries that ‘slave’ mindset, seeming to crave someone being a master over him. Your version will be quite different, in subtle ways.

Right, so it’s pretty similar, mine differs in how I’m leaning more heavily on being able to see Anakin possibly go either way (jedi or sith) and it would make sense; really harping on how his turn to the dark side was a choice. Not saying that that might not have been what you were going for with LoE, but I think having Anakin be much more resistant to Palpatine throughout and affirm to Padme that he’s with her - despite Palpatine trying to turn him against her - makes that more clear. Where you kind of downplayed Padme’s role in his turn, I tried to keep her just as, if not moreso, of a reason for his turn as his allegiances.

And of course, our depictions of Anakin after the christening of Vader are where the most diverging happens.

Also, and this might just be down to interpretation again, but I’m always a bit iffy about a “slave mindset” Anakin subconsciously still looking for a “master.” I’m really going for the angle that the dark side being freedom is what gets him there. Anakin would personally prioritize the military (his prestige as “general” being his public renown), his future with Padme, as well as his loyalty to/belief in Palpatine, over the Jedi code and responsibility to the council’s interests. He’s a slave to the jedi in the sense that he has to repress his humanity (Padme), and do things for them he does not politically or ideologically believe in (treason). I think showing Anakin actually presenting the council’s interests to Palpatine, despite having just established that he personally disagrees, is one extra way to show that he really was trying to be “a good jedi” (by the council’s standards). But - not to talk so lightly about slavery - that he gets no recognition or trust for that loyalty, (as well as from his accomplishments and skill), show a dynamic with Anakin and the council that is more “slave-ish”, than the liberation to feel what he wants and to do what he believes in, that Palpatine offers.

Where I make a decision not to be a “slave” hard for Anakin is in how I depict him having an understanding of why the council thinks Palpatine and the dark side are wrong, as well as having this grounding force that is his friendship with Obi Wan. He doesn’t call Obi Wan “master” and their relationship is personally equal; in that way, he can’t actually feel like a slave - they’re genuinely friends. So that’s how I’m thinking about it, and how I’m making it look like Anakin could possibly do one or other before he actually makes a decision.

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#1060290
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut)
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So I finally posted this onto the Fanedit forums for help, and there’s a brand new cutlist there. I also updated the one in this thread. I’m getting pretty close. Making a lot of slight changes here and there, but I’ll hopefully be done by summer. I have a lot of work and school and life, and I don’t really think anyone cares about this so that takes pressure off. Taking my time. At this point, I’m not even sure I’ll go forward with a drastic color grading.

I recently took it upon myself to change the four(?) instances of Anakin addressing Obi Wan as “master.” I went into this edit thinking that I would just change a few things to better push a specific interpretation, but I realized that that was just it. As much as I changed things, it would still just be an interpretation. One easier to believe with all the cuts, but a headcanon nonetheless. I’m doubling down and really committing to showing and more explicitly portraying the relationship between Anakin and Obi Wan I’m going for. Things like Anakin calling Obi Wan “master” just muddle that image. Anakin won’t call Obi Wan “master.” I legitimately watched 5 movies Hayden Christensen was in (never do this) just to find a good soundbyte to replace “You coming, Master?” with something more casual. Along the way, I also found some giggles that were useful in lightening the banter between the two.

I’ve also gotten some questions asking about what would make my cut different or better (depending on the person) from Hal’s cut. I am leaning heavily on his restructure of Anakin’s motivations. I’d like to know what Hal was going for exactly (it’s been a while since I’ve listened to his LoE commentary) in terms of what would be going through Anakin’s head and who Anakin is during his cut, before I can really answer that question.

But what I got from LoE, was that Anakin’s motivations for turning to the dark side are still generally that Palpatine convinced and manipulated Anakin (and this is the primary reason) into thinking the jedi were the bad guys, (with a good reason for Anakin to think so) and a little extra fear of Padme dying to make him do something about it. And it works fine, I still liked it.

But coming off of TCW into the OT, and my idea of who Anakin and Darth Vader should be - Anakin imo should have much, much more agency; it’s a decision, that he makes with a conscious mind. Most edits never leave the angle that Palpatine tricked him into becoming a sith, or that a submissive Anakin only turns to the dark as a last resort. Even LoE, while showing that the combination of Anakin’s loyalty, politics, and feelings understandably would turn him against the jedi, those reasons are all still put there there by Palpatine. He plays right into Palps’ game, not showing any awareness that he’s being played. That’s not very “sith” of a dark lord like Vader. I want it to be his choice, fully aware of what he’s playing with.

While Anakin in my cut is still manipulated by Palpatine, through a lot of little edits, Anakin is smarter and more adult throughout their relationship. Palpatine never explicitly plays on Anakin’s emotions and feelings - no tuskens, no blatant evil hints, he doesn’t tell Anakin that the council “needs” him, talk about the spying… He’s more subtle; he casually and “unintentionally” brings up things that would be salt on a wound. He doesn’t tell him that he deserves to be a master, or that he should feel conflicted, he just indirectly points out reasons why he would. Anakin is shown brooding and conflicted about what these indirects imply, instead of Anakin taking Palps’ word for direct assertions. Additionally, Anakin now tells Palpatine about dissenting opinions from the council, and shows an understanding of why those opinions exist. While he’s loyal to Palpatine, he’s also shown to be to Obi Wan and the council. He’s set up to not be 100% on either side, basically. I think that makes him smarter, and puts some kind of inner turmoil to the forefront. And not the old “I can’t let her die” conflict of OG!RoTS or the LoE “The Jedi were lying to me” conflict. It’s not one or the other, I’m going for the angle that this is a man caught between two of his allegiances.

So if Hal’s basic, basic structure is:

  1. Anakin’s strained relationship with the jedi council and then political motivations introduced.
  2. Fear of Padme’s death introduced.
  3. 2 ignites action in service of 1 = Anakin’s turn to the dark side.

Mine is:

  1. Anakin’s conflict between allegiance to the jedi order or to Palpatine introduced.
  2. Fear of Padme’s death introduced.
  3. 2 resolves 1 = Anakin’s turn to the dark side.

It’s similar, but my 1 and 3 are different. Padme possibly dying is still the impetus, but how it’s framed in my cut is Anakin decides that he can only keep Padme safe by aligning with Palpatine, either because of Plagueis or because of the political power and freedom that would come with it. And this becomes more clear once we’re out of these first two acts and into when Anakin actually becomes Vader. Hal keeps Anakin turning into Vader as this slow descent into full dark side corruption and power lust. He starts his descent well-intentioned but by the end is high on all of his new power. And that never sat right with me for Vader. The Vader I know from most of ANH, Empire, RoTJ, and the canon comics wasn’t crazy and corrupted. He wasn’t delusional or blinded by his power and emotions. “It’s too late for me, son.” was one of those things as a kid that showed me Vader knew he was a monster. And while the way he talked about the dark side’s power in the OT was always a supportive endorsement of it, it was more like a reverence of it rather than a dependence on having it.

So my Anakin doesn’t think he’s doing what’s best for the galaxy or the Republic or whatever. Sure, he has had political and ideological differences with the jedi council, and that’s what drives him away from them and to Palpatine, but he can’t believe that all of those jedi, in the temple and across the galaxy are bad. But he has to kill them all to embrace the dark side. He knows this, he knows what a sith is - and he can’t be proud of or eager to do it. That’s what I cut out. Every instance of Anakin being eager to do his master’s bidding is removed. He dances around the subject when he talks to Padme. He’s not proud. It’s just a means to an end for his goals for him and Padme. Their last conversation on Mustafar isn’t about the Republic, it’s about taking down Palpatine. For the two of them. For their baby. That’s what he chooses. He chooses what makes him powerful for them. It makes the Vader/Palpatine dynamic more wonderfully sith. It’s also what’ll inevitably turn him back in RoTJ, when he finally realizes the power doesn’t matter to the ones he loves.

Essentially, Anakin’s relationships to Palpatine, the dark side, and its power are the biggest differences in my cut. It doesn’t corrupt him or make him throw tantrums. As Palpatine says in the movie: ‘it gives [him] focus, make [him] stronger’. This is what makes Darth Vader the sith lord, especially when Kylo Ren exists now, whose unhinged emotionality with the dark side of the force is kind of what makes him a lesser Darth Vader. The idea that Anakin has master and control over his anger, fear, and hate to utilize them so effectively - that’s what made Darth Vader menacing when I was a kid. My Vader isn’t vengeful, emotional, or petty. He’s cold, methodical, and brutal. And this is how I’m keeping that image alive while maintaining the thematic through line of the prequels in a consistent way.

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#1056661
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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imperialscum said:

ray_afraid said:

I don’t understand why anybody would come here to complain about a movie that is over a year old now. It’s just a movie.
I didn’t care for it, but it didn’t wound me. I was disappointed, but so what? It didn’t erase movies I like so that it can exist. It doesn’t force it’s way onto my tv screen. In fact, TFA has stayed out of my way since I left the theater, but it’s there if I ever want it. Good boy!

I do not really care about the film. However, if someone claims it is well-written, I do feel like I need point out the fact that its plot is horrible.

Being polar like that and thinking your opinion is the correct, objective, and/or more intelligent one is generally an immature thing to do, though. Moreso if you don’t face up to that fact. Just to be fair.

There’s no objective truth about something like this. And if you do want to argue about objectivity in narrative storytelling, you’re arguing under the misinformed notion that there is only one mode and way a story should be told. It really just boils down to you having an opinion that some stories (TFA in particular) aren’t worth telling.

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#1056286
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut)
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This is me once again taking longer to do this edit than it should - I’m still tweaking things as I go along and realizing I want to change things. xP

A lot of it has to do with me prior to starting underestimating what I’m capable of doing through the magic of editing. Going over the same movie a gazillion times over and seeing what people say here seem to give me new ideas every second, and now instead of telling myself that something wouldn’t work that well, I have the desire to at least test it. 😛

Hardcore Legend said:
It is a shame you can’t replace the line with “THE ORDER” or “THE FORCE”. That would make some sense in that Anakin has helped destroy the Jedi Order or is betraying his training as a Jedi.

One of the things that’s changed since that post is attacking that scene from the angle that Obi Wan is super angry and that’s why they end up dueling. Hal in his edit talks about how there’s room for the interpretation that Obi Wan didn’t go to Mustafar to kill Anakin, (he only tries to do so after he sees what Anakin does to Padme) and while I agreed that’s how it should go down, I didn’t necessarily feel that came across in LoE once Obi Wan stepped off of Padme’s ship. I bought that he wasn’t going to kill him prior to landing on Mustafar, but I didn’t buy that anything Obi Wan said and did to Anakin after landing wasn’t already antagonistic (in a “I’m going to have to kill you now” kind of way.)

So instead of angry Obi Wan off the bat, the new approach is going to kind of be similar to the kerr edit approach (or anyone who’s done something similar), I’m just going to have Obi Wan be more on the defensive simply by him igniting his lightsaber either after or at the same time as Anakin. Obi Wan won’t even have time to talk about “absolutes” or “doing what he must” before the duel starts. So the whole “to democracy” thing - whether it stays or goes - is kind of in the air as I figure this out. It might still stay, just because I feel there should be a distinction between the Empire and Republic in their conversation aside from name. Additionally, I can go either way with Anakin doing a rhetorical “If you’re not with me…” attacks or the straightforward “Then you’re my enemy…” attacks. Either one for those.

I might try to incorporate a sound clip of this: https://youtu.be/gKUPEc5tGno?t=15m12s

Idk how it would sound next to Ewan, but James Arnold Taylor did say that around the time of this game, he was doing more of a straight Ewan impression, as opposed to the Ewan/Alec mix he was going for in TCW. We’ll have to see how it plays. I might not even have Anakin say anything before he attacks at all if this works out.

Other changes made lol:

  • Anakin and Obi Wan at the start of the movie:
    A: "But you owe me one and not for saving your skin for the tent-"
    O: "Ninth time. That business on Cato Nemoidia doesn’t - doesn’t count."
    Obi Wan cuts him off. It’s a little more friendly and kind of funnier that they’d have had this conversation before.

  • “Now that the chancellor has control of the jedi council” cut from the beginning of that deleted scene with the senators discussing governors. It kind of just happened, so it was jarring to have them already know about and discussing what has so far just been Jedi affairs from the audience’s perspective.

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Thanks guys! I’m definitely already tweaking based on those suggestions.

On the colors - everything in that preview aside from the audio is super screwed up, so don’t take the lightsabers or the grading as indicative of the final product. Nothing I’ve sent out or shown to anyone thus far is finished really. At least, to the point I want it to be.

The preview cuts people got were different iterations of a workprint. Hal did most of the heavy lifting in terms of structure, and my cut obviously deals more with the minutiae of the character portrayals and interactions, so I was working on what needed testing with those. I’m redoing most of the work using different (probably better, consistent) sources for the final cut.

I haven’t gone back on anything yet, aside from going back and forth with the Vader scream, but that’s why it’s taking longer. Sections of Hal’s cut I used for the work print are being redone, and the lightsabers and colors take a bit of time too. I’m using Sony Vegas and Resolve for that.

Mithrandir said:

This edit keeps looking more and more promising.

Only thing I’ll say is (if you cut it before and have the line at your disposal) I’d change the fireships line to "we’re on your tail general Skywalker "

I tried something like that, but it’s Temuera Morrison vs Dee Bradley Baker; it doesn’t sound too great. It’s a little too abrupt of a voice change. And I had to pour through many episodes of the Clone Wars just to find that voice clip lol. Besides that guy isn’t supposed to be a clone, so it shouldn’t be Temuera Morrison.

I admit that my use of “This is Sergeant Crasher” was a dumb joke that only I found funny in my dorky brain. Because “crasher” and they’re “crashing.” (ba dum tsh.) …get it?

… anyway Anyone that’s seen my most recent cut will know I just used “General Skywalker” in that scene. But I was watching the Clone Wars this morning and Rex said something to the effect of “We’re coming with you” in the same tone as that “General Skywalker.” So I’ll probably try something with that later this weekend.

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Here are some previews of a few little things I did. (Sorry everything is so red/dark; I forgot to adjust the levels. It’s only a problem w/ these previews)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx-b_Drhy38reHN3QzhfYkVVeXM/view?usp=sharing

A recent iteration of the “roger roger” bit.
The “General Skywalker” drops.
Tweaked Anakin/Obi Wan war room intro.
Tweaked Palps/Anakin appointment.
Tweaked master denial scene + removal of "young Skywalker"
Anakin/Obi Wan goodbye from first post.
Tweaked Mace telling Anakin to stay, with removal of “young Skywalker” and insertion of Ahsoka’s leitmotif.

Just for people who haven’t seen any of my 500 rough cuts yet.

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I guess I just didn’t see how it meant anything as a counterargument to “Leave him, or we’ll never make it.” The line’s meaning is clear, sure, but that’s just it. It comes off as an awkwardly placed true declarative statement. It doesn’t mean anything in that way, I guess. Still getting rid of it.

“We’re going to survive or die together” would probably have been a better line tbh.

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