Not legally… xP
I don’t understand why anybody would come here to complain about a movie that is over a year old now. It’s just a movie.
I didn’t care for it, but it didn’t wound me. I was disappointed, but so what? It didn’t erase movies I like so that it can exist. It doesn’t force it’s way onto my tv screen. In fact, TFA has stayed out of my way since I left the theater, but it’s there if I ever want it. Good boy!
I do not really care about the film. However, if someone claims it is well-written, I do feel like I need point out the fact that its plot is horrible.
Being polar like that and thinking your opinion is the correct, objective, and/or more intelligent one is generally an immature thing to do, though. Moreso if you don’t face up to that fact. Just to be fair.
There’s no objective truth about something like this. And if you do want to argue about objectivity in narrative storytelling, you’re arguing under the misinformed notion that there is only one mode and way a story should be told. It really just boils down to you having an opinion that some stories (TFA in particular) aren’t worth telling.
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REALLY REALLY sloppy mockup I threw together in five minutes of the idea I had above:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx-b_Drhy38rTVIwX0w0NXR5dTg/view?usp=sharing (sorry about the audio glitching)
yeah I don’t think I can do it. I actually thought the JAT audio with the EM audio worked better than I thought it would, but I absolutely suck at masking, and the pace is way off, so the defensive Obi Wan caught off guard idea is over. Lasted about 30 minutes. I may still decide to use that RoTS game clip somehow though.
I’m reaching the unnecessary editing portion of this process; I had better just finish it now. People generally seem to be onboard with the rough cuts I sent them.
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This is me once again taking longer to do this edit than it should - I’m still tweaking things as I go along and realizing I want to change things. xP
A lot of it has to do with me prior to starting underestimating what I’m capable of doing through the magic of editing. Going over the same movie a gazillion times over and seeing what people say here seem to give me new ideas every second, and now instead of telling myself that something wouldn’t work that well, I have the desire to at least test it. 😛
Hardcore Legend said:
It is a shame you can’t replace the line with “THE ORDER” or “THE FORCE”. That would make some sense in that Anakin has helped destroy the Jedi Order or is betraying his training as a Jedi.
One of the things that’s changed since that post is attacking that scene from the angle that Obi Wan is super angry and that’s why they end up dueling. Hal in his edit talks about how there’s room for the interpretation that Obi Wan didn’t go to Mustafar to kill Anakin, (he only tries to do so after he sees what Anakin does to Padme) and while I agreed that’s how it should go down, I didn’t necessarily feel that came across in LoE once Obi Wan stepped off of Padme’s ship. I bought that he wasn’t going to kill him prior to landing on Mustafar, but I didn’t buy that anything Obi Wan said and did to Anakin after landing wasn’t already antagonistic (in a “I’m going to have to kill you now” kind of way.)
So instead of angry Obi Wan off the bat, the new approach is going to kind of be similar to the kerr edit approach (or anyone who’s done something similar), I’m just going to have Obi Wan be more on the defensive simply by him igniting his lightsaber either after or at the same time as Anakin. Obi Wan won’t even have time to talk about “absolutes” or “doing what he must” before the duel starts. So the whole “to democracy” thing - whether it stays or goes - is kind of in the air as I figure this out. It might still stay, just because I feel there should be a distinction between the Empire and Republic in their conversation aside from name. Additionally, I can go either way with Anakin doing a rhetorical “If you’re not with me…” attacks or the straightforward “Then you’re my enemy…” attacks. Either one for those.
I might try to incorporate a sound clip of this: https://youtu.be/gKUPEc5tGno?t=15m12s
Idk how it would sound next to Ewan, but James Arnold Taylor did say that around the time of this game, he was doing more of a straight Ewan impression, as opposed to the Ewan/Alec mix he was going for in TCW. We’ll have to see how it plays. I might not even have Anakin say anything before he attacks at all if this works out.
Other changes made lol:
Anakin and Obi Wan at the start of the movie:
A: "But you owe me one and not for saving your skin for the tent-"
O: "Ninth time. That business on Cato Nemoidia doesn’t - doesn’t count."
Obi Wan cuts him off. It’s a little more friendly and kind of funnier that they’d have had this conversation before.
“Now that the chancellor has control of the jedi council” cut from the beginning of that deleted scene with the senators discussing governors. It kind of just happened, so it was jarring to have them already know about and discussing what has so far just been Jedi affairs from the audience’s perspective.
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it could also be a .wiiu file but no one uses that
Thanks guys! I’m definitely already tweaking based on those suggestions.
On the colors - everything in that preview aside from the audio is super screwed up, so don’t take the lightsabers or the grading as indicative of the final product. Nothing I’ve sent out or shown to anyone thus far is finished really. At least, to the point I want it to be.
The preview cuts people got were different iterations of a workprint. Hal did most of the heavy lifting in terms of structure, and my cut obviously deals more with the minutiae of the character portrayals and interactions, so I was working on what needed testing with those. I’m redoing most of the work using different (probably better, consistent) sources for the final cut.
I haven’t gone back on anything yet, aside from going back and forth with the Vader scream, but that’s why it’s taking longer. Sections of Hal’s cut I used for the work print are being redone, and the lightsabers and colors take a bit of time too. I’m using Sony Vegas and Resolve for that.
This edit keeps looking more and more promising.
Only thing I’ll say is (if you cut it before and have the line at your disposal) I’d change the fireships line to "we’re on your tail general Skywalker "
I tried something like that, but it’s Temuera Morrison vs Dee Bradley Baker; it doesn’t sound too great. It’s a little too abrupt of a voice change. And I had to pour through many episodes of the Clone Wars just to find that voice clip lol. Besides that guy isn’t supposed to be a clone, so it shouldn’t be Temuera Morrison.
I admit that my use of “This is Sergeant Crasher” was a dumb joke that only I found funny in my dorky brain. Because “crasher” and they’re “crashing.” (ba dum tsh.) …get it?
… anyway Anyone that’s seen my most recent cut will know I just used “General Skywalker” in that scene. But I was watching the Clone Wars this morning and Rex said something to the effect of “We’re coming with you” in the same tone as that “General Skywalker.” So I’ll probably try something with that later this weekend.
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Here are some previews of a few little things I did. (Sorry everything is so red/dark; I forgot to adjust the levels. It’s only a problem w/ these previews)
A recent iteration of the “roger roger” bit.
The “General Skywalker” drops.
Tweaked Anakin/Obi Wan war room intro.
Tweaked Palps/Anakin appointment.
Tweaked master denial scene + removal of "young Skywalker"
Anakin/Obi Wan goodbye from first post.
Tweaked Mace telling Anakin to stay, with removal of “young Skywalker” and insertion of Ahsoka’s leitmotif.
Just for people who haven’t seen any of my 500 rough cuts yet.
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I guess I just didn’t see how it meant anything as a counterargument to “Leave him, or we’ll never make it.” The line’s meaning is clear, sure, but that’s just it. It comes off as an awkwardly placed true declarative statement. It doesn’t mean anything in that way, I guess. Still getting rid of it.
“We’re going to survive or die together” would probably have been a better line tbh.
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“His fate will be the same as ours” -is going to be removed. Basically doesn’t mean anything and by Anakin not even engaging in a discussion of whether or not to leave his friend, that friendship might be slightly strengthened? Besides, I like the comedic timing of the next time we see them, Anakin just has Obi Wan slung over his shoulder.
I guess it’s because I don’t … care(?)… that much about AoTC or TPM? idk I mean, yeah, they needed fixing, but I don’t have specific ideas about how to do that myself that would be different from what others have done. And to be honest, the parts of the story they tell don’t seem too important to me.
RoTS is where we see Anakin Skywalker become Darth Vader. We’ve heard about this in the OT, Obi-Wan’s good friend - a hero - is seduced to the dark side to become the villain - a cold and methodical enforcer of the Empire’s might. I realize Revenge of the Sith is the third part of a trilogy, and by just working on it alone, I’m not saying that my cut could stand alone at all - but I think that you could honestly watch any version of the previous two, fanedit or original, and get what I’m going for here. (problems with the A/P necklace aside)
I didn’t feel like I was obligated to “match” anything up; if Anakin is notably more mature in my RoTS than he is in whatever edit of the first two you watch, that’s because it’s implied that he’s grown to this new point. Like I said, I’m not trying to rewrite canon. Just trying to make the canon consistent; and having a distinctly teenage Anakin in AoTC and an adult one in RotS doesn’t break that imo.
I don’t feel like I explained it that well, but if you really want fanedit recs to fit w/ this, Hal’s idea a few posts up sounds good.
I think I’m getting close to finishing or forcing myself to stop tweaking. I’ll try to get it on Fanedit once I’m on the final visual/color grading part of the edit. A few more edit ideas I’ve been tinkering with:
Anakin’s whine-screams during his fight scenes, I’ve tried as much as possible to take out. He just sounds so strained and whiny - like he’s crying. I might replace with some manlier or even Matt Lanter grunts, but probably not.
Instead of Palps telling Anakin, “I think they will… They need you. More than you know…” I took dialogue from the Changes to the Constitution deleted scene and replaced it with “I think they will… You fought many battles the jedi council thought were lost… and you saved my life…” This further characterizes Anakin as a very competent war hero (if the actions in the opening and triple dropping of his “general” rank before wasn’t enough) and not as blindly manipulated by Palpatine. By him citing valid reasons for Anakin to be considered a master, it tells the audience that maybe he does deserve to be a master, at least more than the absolutely nothing to show that he might in the original. It makes Anakin less angry, entitled, and jealous, and more just angry, confused and disappointed. (Especially as I’ve toned down his whining across the board).
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So I’ve decided. xP
This is the “New Canon Cut”, and not a super radical edit of RotS. I’ve decided to adhere to my original conservatism in regards to editing the movie. I’m making it fit cohesively in the post-Disney consistent canon, but not trying to change what “happened.” (Especially since the Vader scene is flashed back to in the Marvel Darth Vader comics) It’s a reinterpretation of the same events, as they were referenced in the OT/Rebels/comics, and was the trajectory foreshadowed in TCW. The main differences were always just going to be in how Anakin is portrayed, toning down the cringe/cheesiness, and bearing down on a specific interpretation of the character relationships. So the LoE/Russian dub scream is still in. As soon as I fell into that rabbit hole, I lost sight of what I was originally going for. This is for Clone Wars/canon fans who are tired of suspending their disbelief about the connectivity of all the media.
I’ve made some more changes:
I added a casual “Hey” from Anakin to Obi Wan in the establishing shot as he enters the War Room. (From Jumper, that movie Hayden was in where he teleports and fights Sam Jackson) He’s even slightly out of breath like his next lines. I found that the movie kind of over-compartmentalizes the characterizations in that, for the most part, the characters seem to only be allowed to demonstrate one aspect of their personalities per scene. By adding a casual “Hey”, a not-mopey more TCW Anakin from the scene prior is allowed to come through, instead of him already having a grim demeanor for the next several scenes. Having gotten rid of the “excuses” line here too, Obi Wan and Anakin do come off more as friends again instead of their relationship alternating scene to scene as either “bros” or “disagreeing about something.” There’s more of a smooth transition here from that to that.
I added dialogue from the “Changes to the Constitution” deleted scene in the establishing shots before Palpatine asks “Do you trust me Anakin?” in the next scene. Anakin brings forward to Palpatine that the jedi council isn’t a huge fan of Palpatine continuing to gain power, referencing the “unusual/uneasy feelings” conversation he just had with Obi Wan. It makes him less of Palpatine’s bitch. I already kind of “solved” how young and immature Anakin felt in relation to the Jedi by making them refer to and treat him more like an adult, so now I’m working my way through his relationship with Palpatine. He has to be manipulated, but not like a clueless child. Also, it was always awkward to me how the transition was just into Anakin and Palpatine walking in silence for a good several seconds.
Establishing shot into Padme’s apartment at sunset after Yoda departing for Kashyyyk, now has a Hayden Christensen chuckle. I mean, you can see Anakin/Padme being playful, with Anakin messing with Padme’s pregnant belly in the establishing shot, and then a smile just fading into a frown when we cut into the closer shot, so I thought why not? Anything more to humanize the characters.
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There’s much conflict within me. I might need to turn to the dark side.
^If I’m being completely honest, it’s because I got so many PM’s telling me to get rid of it lol.
But I at least tried it out, and found that it better fit the tragic angle for Vader to not give a shit about “Anakin Skywalker” anymore when he was doing everything for himself and Padme in the rest of the cut. I’m not 100% onboard with the idea ofc, I still want to use Hal’s version, especially for the general seamlessness of it, but the current test iteration uses ForceGhostRecon’s Rebels dialogue bit. (Thank you so much btw!) I want to see what most people think is the best way to do that scene, and hopefully I can finalize it.
So I sent out the links to anyone who asked.
I’ve already gotten feedback, which is really nice, so here are a few more things changing or subject to change from what people have already seen:
- “General Skywalker” is said three times now, not just once by Grevious. Extra times by the firefighter guy who takes in half of the Invisible Hand in its crash landing, and Bail Organa before he has some small talk with Anakin.
- “I have no excuse” after “I was held up” is removed. No student!Anakin explaining tardiness.
- “He’s right. It’s a system we cannot afford to lose.” removed.
- This is contrary to a few opinions I’ve gotten, but also not to others: Reinstatement of Obi Wan’s “I’m on your side Anakin…” I felt being too subtle in a movie like this doesn’t help when you want to hammer in a specific idea.
- Dialogue trimming to be less rigid, somehow.
- Move nightmare convo to after sunset scene.
- In Palpatine vs the Jedi, there are no close up reaction shots to their being sliced or stabbed along with their screams. It goes by faster (taken by surprise) and looks less silly.
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Alright, sorry to anyone who PM’d me since Thursday morning for the preview edit, it took longer for me to get back home than I expected on Thursday night, and I finally have free time tonight and for the weekend, so I should be sending it out within the next hour or so.
So things that are changing or subject to change from the cut people will be seeing:
- The shots used in the first council meeting; there is one that goes by too fast, and I think excising or rearranging some would work to help it flow better.
- Reinstate “I’m on your side, I didn’t want to put you in this situation.” Going for the subtlety didn’t work in my favor imo.
- the Darth Vader awakens scene is definitely going to be messed with some more.
And of course, any other suggestions anyone might have. I’m super open to feedback.
I’ll work on responding to what I missed in this thread soon after.
Alright, so I have a full test cut (w/o color grading and imperfected edits) rendering that should be done by morning, so if anyone wants to check it out when it’s “ready”, just PM me. Don’t hate on me if I send an unsolicited PM to you based on any expressed interest in this thread lol, I’m just a little excited. But yeah, I’d love to get feedback/suggestions/criticism. We can all work on making this better.
A few changes from what I’ve written before. (I need to update the cutlist)
So now every instance of Obi Wan training Anakin has been removed. Even the one by Yoda towards the end. Again, not that Obi Wan didn’t - because he did, this isn’t an edit of TPM/AOTC/the OT - but by not drawing attention to and downplaying that history, Anakin/Obi Wan’s friendship is more of that equal, “brotherly” bond.
To that end, every instance of Anakin being called “young Skywalker” has been replaced with just “Skywalker.” Anakin is an older, mature, and experienced Jedi Knight in this cut, not the young barely-not-a-padawan-anymore. Additionally, Mace doesn’t say “I don’t think the boy can handle it” before saying he doesn’t trust him. The council treating him like an adult better portrays Anakin as an adult, rather than the whiny entitled teenager he is in the original. Any animosity he has towards the council is framed less as him being petulant, insubordinate, and out of line - now the council is deliberately blocking him and not because he’s young and undeserving.
I snuck more Anakin/Obi Wan friendship into the first council meeting scene and its aftermath. They really don’t get that much time with one another after the opening. So a few tweaks: When Anakin says “How can you do this?” Obi Wan shakes his head at Anakin kind of as a way to talk him down from further lashing out, rather than disapproval. And when Anakin goes to sit down and looks at Obi Wan, Obi Wan looks away guiltily. So now, Obi Wan here has a little bit of conflict between his friendship with Anakin and the council’s decisions. And the line “I’m on your side, Anakin” manifests itself beyond him just saying it - we see it. That line is also removed, then, because we should or will understand that about Obi Wan’s character without him having to tell Anakin. It’s always felt like a disingenuous rhetorical appeal to me, anyway. (Anything for them to talk more like humans, too.) User Mithrandir did a mockup of something similar that I liked.
This is a big one, thanks to ImperialFighter for the suggestion in a private topic, but I think I’m doing away with the Darth Vader scream of anguish, improved LoE version or not. The Vader awakens sequence is very different now, and I used an idea I got from a re-edit of the scene on Vimeo that I saw a few months ago but can’t seem to find anymore. But basically, it goes:
P: Anakin. Can you hear me?
DV: … Anakin Skywalker was weak… I destroyed him.
Using Star Wars Rebels audio. I just think it goes by too fast and is abrupt, so I’d really like to hear if people want it in, or suggestions and ideas on how to improve it.
This introduces a weird place I’m at mentally with the edit tho… it’s “The New Canon Cut”; obviously after Disney bought Lucasfilm, it was determined that the old EU was now uncanon and that the new canon was mostly everything made after the purchase + the films and TCW. My main motivation for starting the edit was to bend ROTS Anakin into the canon portrayal of Anakin in TCW. If they’re both canon and it’s going to be more unified, both have to fit with one another. But in rejiggering this scene, I’m pulling audio from SWR, so now Vader will have said those exact words twice in different scenarios. Which is fine, I guess. I justified leaving in Qui Gon’s disembodied voice from TCW as interpreting it as just Yoda recalling what Qui Gon said and dwelling on it, rather than hearing it for the first time…
And I legitimately think it’s more powerful for Anakin to have fallen so far that he doesn’t even worry about Padme anymore by the end, but in new canon - in the Vader comics - he flashes back to the moment Palps tells him that he was the one who killed Padme, a moment that doesn’t happen in my cut anymore. I’m thinking about renaming it, tbh. This is the most nothing concern to have if the edit is fine on its own merits, but it betrays my initial motivation for doing this whole thing.
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Thanks. I’ll definitely release a few versions with and without the color grading or the lightsaber changes, though. Just for people who aren’t into it. I admit the color grading is unneccessary; I honestly just did it because I could. I’ve always not liked how RotS looked, so when I decided to commit to doing this, I thought “why not?”
Speaking of releases, I am pretty new to distributing things like this, so I would definitely be grateful if someone could help guide me through when I’m done. I’m thinking I’ll just distribute through PM’s honestly. I’m not confident enough to want to widely release it. Still, best or preferred places to upload the actual file itself would be nice to know.
And would anyone be interested in a commentary track?
Getting ahead of myself, though. I’m not even finished yet!
Few newer changes I fiddled with:
- Windu says “Take a seat, Skywalker.” As opposed to “Take a seat, young Skywalker.” in the first council meeting.
- I decided the entire elevator sequence being in wasn’t the best idea. It’s still there, but I made the SBD’s talk and bicker less. The only things they say now are “Hey! You!” and “…Stupid little astro droid.” It actually kind of helps the comedic timing when cutting back and forth from Anakin/Obi Wan to R2 flamethrowing the droids.
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You’re right. I started over, and I got this:
A few steps back in terms of color matching, but the motion is the smoothest yet. It shouldn’t be too hard to get the colors back. I kept trying to work with what I initially - and mistakenly - did a few months back when I was more focused on the plot structure and at least 10% less experienced. xP
Now that I’m nearing completion, it’s easier to tweak these things for seamlessness.
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So far, this is the smoothest I could get it (it’s newer than the other one I posted):
I believe they were the same take, but the colors, the quality, and the aspect ratio were completely different - I had to do a lot of finagling with color correction and masking to even make it look like the same thing, and after all of that, I couldn’t quite get the two sources to gel that well after a straight cut. So I decided to blur the motion for a split second by having Anakin and Obi Wan fade into themselves, and that was the smoothest I could get it. Maybe I just suck. xP
Also yeah, that shot of Anakin was too short. Since the General Skywalker idea was a pretty recent one, and I originally had the line as “and Skywalker…”, that shot was just thrown in to fill the gap with the obviously longer line. I’ll definitely fix the timing.
Hal 9000 said:
Wow! Hit me up when you have any sort of test version to check out. Sounds wonderful!
Thanks! I don’t have time to render for another week, though. So just wait, I guess lol
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I’m very interested in your edit and the fresh take and reasoning behind it.
The Lightsabers look off to me. Too much white, not enough color imho.
Great work so far!
I really didn’t like how the lightsabers looked in ROTS, idk. I may have overcompensated, (I have adjusted since then), but I tried to make the lightsabers look more like they were actually illuminating. If anything else, the blues were too dark in the original, and I used a lighter blue closer to the OT’s blue.
Edezio Enk’or Valorum said:
I was reading the ideas of this edit and I really like it, I find it really interesting and it’s new for the FanEdits area, using some The Clone Wars material.
I liked your approach on the good-bye scene, that song fits pretty well there, and the nostalgic idea sounds cool, but, I rememeber watching another edit to this scene including new music
I’m not judging nor disliking your version, but I will rather want to know what do you think about it? It has that TCW vibe, and it was made by Kevin Kiner, so I think this one would fit pretty well with the idea of the edit.
I’m very interested and excited to see this edit!! 😃
Yeah, I messed around with that a little, but I wasn’t feeling the Kiner score amidst the Williams. You’re right - that clip does have the TCW-feel, but nothing else in the movie has that distinct feel, so it feels out of place. I also don’t think there was a cue from the show that was memorable enough to call back on or reprise that would be relevant to the scene.
Besides, while this is going to be more consistent to TCW, it’s not really a TCW-focused edit. Hopefully it can give non-TCW fans a rough idea of what they missed in terms of Anakin’s characterizations (consistent with the OT description), and can give TCW fans a satisfying take on Anakin’s fall.
Hal 9000 said:
Hal, if you’re reading this, were the blu-ray deleted scenes ever upscaled like the DVD ones?
No; none of them struck me as useful at the time. They were not presented well, at any rate.
Did you do the upscaling? I thought it might have been someone else (Dr. Dre?).
Most are definitely worthless. But there are a couple fun bits in “Elevator Antics” and I think “Changes to the Constitution” should definitely have been in the film. What do you mean by not presented well? Is the picture quality much worse than the DVD ones? I haven’t watched them in a while.
Man, I’d have loved to been able to use “Changes to the Constitution.”
Here’s one of my first tries at the “General Skywalker”…
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Alright, I’ve made a chronological cutlist. And I’ll work on responding to you guys after.
20th Century Fox Logo and Fanfare Removed
So, Oddball or whoever that is, is just killed right away. Obi Wan doesn’t need to tell Anakin to “do his job.” Anakin doesn’t get distracted by that. I’m sure he would feel bad, but in making Anakin more mature and experienced, I needed to get rid of him being so naïve. He’s been a jedi knight and general for, what, three years now? He knows how war works.
Obi Wan doesn’t scold Anakin for trying a few dangerous moves to try and save him. He doesn’t downplay Anakin’s efforts as “going to get them both killed.” He still exclaims with anxiety and exasperation (in the situation), but he generally allows Anakin to try and save him. At most, he’s a bit reluctant. But he trusts him.
It was also always weird to me that he’d give up so easily and tell Anakin to go on without him. You could honestly read that scene as another instance where he didn’t trust Anakin to not screw up saving him. So that’s gone. As well as the “I’m not leaving without you.”
Artoo’s scream and “The shields are still up!” removed. Obviously, this experienced Anakin knows when shields are up.
Removed CGI Obi-Wan leaping from cockpit, and a few cuts to ensuing sequence.
Battle droid voices are pretty much gone from the scene. Like Hal, I used L8wrtr audio.
Dooku isn’t mentioned until he shows up. I don’t really like the specific, on the nose force sensing-of-stuff.
The elevator sequence is here. In its entirety + a deleted “roger roger” bit from Obi Wan/Anakin. I know, I know. It’s really silly, but I wanted to showcase some semblance of Anakin and Obi Wan working and quipping together to portray them as friends. Obi Wan is still familiar with R2, whatever. This cutesy stuff with R2/Anakin/Obi Wan was reminiscent of an odd couple and their dog, and I’ve convinced myself that that’s A LITTLE endearing. Anakin shows off his raffish, spontaneous side here, as well, so all in all, whether or not anything is actually funny, I feel like keeping it in was better than the alternative of a blander Obi Wan/Anakin relationship. Levity counts in portraying the later tragedy imo.
I didn’t want things to be too silly in the opening overall, though. The L8wrtr/Hal droids are an attempt to cancel the overall silliness level out.
CGItopher Lee’s sick flip off the balcony cut.
Stuff before and during the Dooku duel is trimmed. Notably the “get help” exchange, “you won’t get away…”, “my powers have doubled”, Palpatine making noises, Obi Wan and the railing…
Anakin quickly decapitates Dooku with no Palpatine to tell him to “dewit.” Considering how SILLY everything has been thus far, things get real pretty abruptly with this. Anakin having his own dark side without Palpatine to encourage him is also important. He has more agency as a character this way. Him questioning his own self made actions shows maturity and self awareness.
When the ray shields go up, the exchange is slightly different, by like, a line. When Anakin says, “I say patience,” it feels like he’s just kissing up to his mentor Obi Wan, especially when Obi Wan crosses his arms and incredulously replies, “Patience?” Like that’s a new thing for Anakin that he hasn’t demonstrated before. I wanted to get rid of the naïve apprentice/fed up mentor dynamic, so now, when Anakin suggests patience, Obi Wan is just like, “Oh ok cool” with a nod. They’re on the same wavelength.
“That wasn’t much a rescue”, +the droids’ “you’re welcome”, and other noises cut. A lot of silly droid stuff on the Invisible Hand bridge in general is gone. They won’t be running around screaming and getting massacred later on. I don’t even know why Anakin and Obi Wan were just going around chopping up defenseless droids.
Grevious addresses Anakin as “General Skywalker” now to keep building that image up of Anakin as mature and experienced. It implies that he has many responsibilities as a leader, on the same level as General Kenobi, and just strengthens the angle I’m going for. (And he was a general in TCW; I have no idea if that’s a retcon that TCW did retroactively, but it feels like it, because there is absolutely no mention of Anakin being any more than Obi Wan’s padawan aside from naming him as a knight in the opening crawl and that his next rank would be master.)
Grievous says, “Time to abandon ship” as he breaks the hull and escapes.
Trimmed dialogue during the Coruscant crash landing.
Obi Wan telling Anakin not to forget everything he did that we just saw, is cut. Mostly to facilitate the removal of Anakin’s response of “all because of your training.” I don’t want to draw attention to the fact that Obi Wan trained Anakin. Their relationship has evolved past that, they’re equals now – brothers.
Removed Jar Jar’s one line.
I got rid of Padme being resistant to Anakin’s smooching in their scene. Not only is the dialogue really bad and expositional (“No, I don’t care if they know”, “Don’t say that,”), but it doesn’t portray their romance too sweetly. The implication that Anakin doesn’t heed Padme’s wishes in intimate situations is a little unfortunate and creepy.
Anakin is more quickly happy to find out he’s a father. Again, we want to root for Anakin and their romance.
Took the Hal 9000 route of presenting the political motivations for Anakin’s turn first. The vision of Padme’s childbirth death is moved up to later, it only happens once, and when it does, Palpatine probably(?) planted it. It’s my favorite thing about Hal’s LoE cut.
So, no balcony scene. It’s bad. It goes straight from Padme/Anakin right after the rescue, to Anakin and Obi Wan in the war room, discussing Palpatine. He doesn’t ask “Is that bad?” after “less deliberating and more action.” He’s confident in his own stance, and doesn’t need it validated by Obi Wan.
When Palpatine tells him about his Jedi Council appointment, he doesn’t ask “Me?” Again, less questions asked by Anakin in this one. He’s less lost and naïve.
“A Plot to Destroy the Jedi.” Deleted scene, ironically removing the “plot to destroy the Jedi” line in it. It’s really on the nose force-sensing again. It’s very specific, too. If you sense a plot to destroy the Jedi from Palpatine, maybe, be more open and aggressive about preventing that? With the line removal, it’s more like they’re just wary and suspicious of the dark side around Palpatine and his growing political power, but they’re not sure of anything specific. Sending Anakin to spy on him seems like an appropriate measure to that dilemma, but not the one where they specifically sense a Jedi order-ending plot associated with him.
Dialogue trimmed during Anakin’s appointment to the Jedi Council and the subsequent session. It starts with Windu’s denial of Anakin’s master status, but then Anakin doesn’t really whine about it with: “This is outrageous. It’s unfair!” – those are removed. He just angrily asks, “What? How can you do this? How can you be on the council and not be a master?” Obi Wan gives him a disapproving look and Anakin sees it. This change makes Anakin less insubordinate and petty, he’s no longer accusing them of doing something radical and calling it unfair. The subsequent discussion he has with Obi Wan removes him calling the decision nonsense and insulting. He’s angry and quietly fuming about it, sure, but he doesn’t overtly complain, he asks a valid question. Why are they doing this him?
- Additionally, Mace doesn’t refer to him as “young” Skywalker.
Reinstated the deleted scene with Padme, Bail Organa, and Mon Mothma. Padme gets more to do! Yay.
Grievous’ arrival on Utapau is after Anakin and Padme have a tense political discussion, and also Anakin doesn’t accuse her of being a Separatist.
Placed Anakin’s nightmare after this and then he’s summoned to the opera.
During the opera, removed reference to midichlorians and creating life. Palpatine doesn’t tell Anakin that he knows Anakin is spying on him. Anakin carries that tension within him, and doesn’t get relief.
The Seeds of Rebellion deleted scene is in.
Anakin/Obi Wan’s goodbye scene is now scored with Anakin’s theme from TPM. This is their last scene before shit hits the fan, and you don’t really feel much of anything in the original. I wanted to make this scene more sentimental and nostalgic. Make their limited time together count. For people that even remember nine year old Anakin’s TPM theme, this might be a pretty emotional callback. All references to Anakin being trained by Obi Wan have been removed in the scene, but the score from TPM might be able to evoke how long they’ve been friends.
Paranoid, whiny, jealous, creepy Anakin in Padme’s apartment is gone. He’s really weird here.
The sunset meeting between the loyalists and Palpatine is in, and is good for tying up that barely subplot, as well as introducing tension between Anakin and Padme. Palpatine doesn’t tell Anakin how he feels at the end of the scene, though: “There’s much conflict in you” is gone. Better left unsaid, and have Palpatine be more subtle. Anakin is an adult, he feels his own emotions, thank you.
Obi Wan and Utapaun man have a shorter conversation. No summon your warriors and whatnot.
I added in the scene right after Anakin has his nightmare here. In the original, it happens pretty early on, so all he had to brood about really was the nightmare. But in this new context, he’s mulling over – well – everything that has happened so far. The Jedi council, the nightmare, Padme’s loyalty, the dark side… Unlike in Hal’s cut, Anakin does tell Padme about his dream here, but he only tells her after some time and as a way to re-affirm his trust in her - putting his newfound suspicions about her loyalty on hold for now. The scene basically works to, again, basically make their relationship something to root for, and serves the same purpose as the removed paranoid apartment scene.
- Padme bringing up Anakin’s potential expulsion from the council due to his attachment to her is another way of highlighting additional friction between him and the council, much better than him whining about how they’re jealous and how he wants more.
- Anakin sweetly telling Padme that he’s “not going to let this one become real” serves the same purpose as telling her cryptically that he’s “found a way to save her.”
- “We don’t need Obi Wan” also works better here than it did before, because he didn’t really have a reason to be mad at Obi Wan in the beginning of the movie. I take him saying this, over him and his insane paranoia.
It’s overall a less sinister version of the cut apartment scene in this context, and frames Anakin’s later decision as more sympathetic.
Boga is less noisy overall.
“It is a volcanic planet. You will be safe there.” That makes sense. It’s also not in the movie anymore.
Trimmed Grievous’ lunge that Obi-Wan does not react to.
Grievous retreats as soon as the clone troops arrive.
War room scene gone. For obvious reasons. Redundancy.
When Palps reveals himself to Anakin, Padme’s role in convincing Anakin is lessened, and as soon as Palpatine reveals even an inkling that he knows the dark side, Anakin doesn’t ask another question. He knows where it’s going and the next thing he does after Palpatine says “save ur wife…” is pull out his lightsaber. Again, making Anakin smarter and wiser than he was in the original.
When Anakin goes to Windu to tell him about Palpatine, I removed Windu’s line, “There is much fear that clouds your judgement.” Windu shuts him down much quicker; he is firm in not letting Anakin go. And this way, he doesn’t satisfactorily explain why to Anakin. For TCW fans, I added a few notes of “Ahsoka Leaves” to evoke when the council failed his padawan. Windu is being dense in the same way here. I thought it would be an un-intrusive bonus to connect Ahsoka to his motivations.
Removed Palpatine’s voiceover about Padme as Anakin waits for them to return.
I did Hal’s “Are you threatening me, Master Jedi?” “Not yet.”
Trimmed the lightsaber fight. It’s not as weird anymore.
Mace is going to kill Palps when Anakin arrives.
The common fanedit idea that Palpatine’s wrinkly face is his true form, revealed after the lights go out, is utilized here.
“What have I done?” -cut.
In the “Anakin’s turn to the dark side” scene, neither party mentions Padme. Like in Hal’s edit, the prospect of saving her life just lights the fuse that is a whole slew of other motivations.
I tried to make Anakin talk much, much less in this scene. He’s going to be mostly silent. I wanted to frame it as a decision Anakin does not take lightly, so he doesn’t suddenly shift to a villain as soon as Palps says “rise.” For now, he agrees that the council is up to something shady, but he doesn’t actively acknowledge that he’s going to have to do terrible things just yet, and he doesn’t enthusiastically remind Palpatine that there are “jedi spread across the galaxy” that also need a killing. I linger a lot on his pained, turmoiled face. There are some continuity issues with it, but hopefully it doesn’t break anything for anyone. The two shots are: Palps teleports behind his desk and Anakin’s body is turned in a different direction in one shot.
Kashyyk battle cut in Order 66 sequence. It’s unrelated to the Order 66 sequence as a whole.
Younglings aren’t killed. Or are mentioned being killed. Anakin isn’t jumping headlong into this. It’s a gradual march towards depravity. (And the jedi temple ba dum tish)
Yoda doesn’t really interact with the wookies.
“I came back to check on you and the baby!” -cut.
Again, I’m attempting to make Anakin less of a moustache twirling, creepy emo villain. Darth Vader was a cold, methodical enforcer of the Empire’s might, he didn’t act like that. Anakin, as he is portrayed here and in the Clone Wars, doesn’t have to change too much to be cold, methodical, and effective - he’s already experienced and capable as a warrior/general – his focus and allegiance just has to shift to Palpatine and the dark side’s. When he goes back to talk to Padme before his Vaderasscre on Mustafar, I trimmed dialogue that made him come off as too creepy-evil and villainous. “Have faith my love…”, etc. Anakin has no illusions about what he’s doing, he doesn’t say he isn’t going to betray the republic, casually tell Padme that many Jedi have been killed, or that hopefully Obi Wan is still cool. I tried to make Anakin the same man but on a different side he’s not too proud of but believes in.
The Mas Amedda call to Organa on the Tantive Whatever about the special session of Congress is now a pre-recorded message because Yoda is RIGHT THERE.
Removed R2 popping out of Anakin’s fighter.
Yoda and Obi Wan don’t fight to get into the temple.
Yoda doesn’t plan out this mission for him and Obi Wan to do where they split up and take out their respective Sith Lord.
Yoda doesn’t duel Sidious for this reason and Obi Wan goes to confront Anakin as a personal thing rather than a duty-bound thing. They don’t talk about Vader and the Emperor like it was 1983.
Youngling death mentions are cut in Obi Wan and Padme’s conversation about Anakin.
Removed Obi-Wan sneaking into Padme’s ship so it’s surprising later! The longshot is still there, tho.
“Very good, my lord.” – cut after Palps tells Anakin to shut down the trade federation droid army.
Terrible dialogue between Anakin and Padme is cut in their Mustafar conversation. Less focus on Obi Wan, and none whatsoever on saving Padme. I cut out mentions of him bringing peace to the Republic as well, bc idk. His allegiance is to the Empire, and he says it later. Also it works with the idea that he isn’t proud enough of what he’s done to tell Padme about it and Padme’s horrified reaction comes from how he doesn’t deny the “terrible things”, and how his aspirations for both of them is just more galaxy- subjecting power and control. And that she can tell something is off quicker says more about their relationship.
“Don’t lecture me, Obi Wan!” removed. It’s kind of a reference to a mentor/mentee relationship, so I’ve gotten rid of it. Also “freedom”, “then you’re my enemy”, and “you will tryy…” removed. The first just isn’t true, and the other two are too villain-taunty.
The duel on Mustafar plays out without cutting away. “I should have known…!” until “This is the end for you, my master” in terms of dialogue is cut. Mostly because they’re bad.
“You underestimate my power!” is also a pathetic villain taunt, I got rid of it.
Oh yeah, and high grounds. That’s gone.
In Anakin’s immolation, Obi Wan doesn’t mention the prophecy. Keeping it personal, yo.
“She seems to have lost the will to live” - cut
Hal 9000 Vader scream replaces the “NOOOOOO0ooooooooo….”
It ends like in the original, sans Padme’s death scene (she still dies but offscreen) and Yoda on Dagobah.
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Thanks Hal! 😃
I’m a huge fan of your edits, and I hope it’s no insult that I still felt like I wanted to make my own edit. Labyrinth of Evil is still my favorite version of RoTS that exists; it just inspired me to try and do it myself, to my personal liking.
I studied yours extensively for this; it really did a lot of what I wanted RoTS to do, especially with Anakin’s motivations. You really tightened the film’s pacing and storytelling, too. In that way, I know mine can never be as good (that, and this is probably only my third edit of a movie ever) because I want to go back a little bit and flesh out or portray differently, specific aspects of the film. The pace you set up is going to be sacrificed in favor of more romance and friendship, and that just doesn’t sound that great on paper, tbh. AND I’m making Padme die again? ik ik…
But I wanted to do it. I know a lot of people on a website called “Original Trilogy” wouldn’t be super invested in what the new canon is or The Clone Wars series, but a lot of me and friends are. Anakin circa 2005 just doesn’t jive with how he’s been portrayed since 2008, and the only way I felt like I could remedy that disconnect was make this edit.
Anyway, I’ve been tinkering with adding in the deleted “roger roger” elevator bit: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx-b_Drhy38rZ25rNnJ3TnNBVFE/view?usp=sharing
It’s working out better than I thought it would; I thought this would be the first thing to go, but I’ve actually managed to barely link the sequence together. Barely. It’s really, really rough. I don’t know if I can make it seamless. I’d love if could get my hands on the deleted scene in better quality to see if I’ll have more luck. (and maybe I could add an Anakin/Obi Wan chuckle, although that might be too much). I’ve spent way too much time on this already tho LOL.
I know it’s really silly - but since most other instances of the battle droids will use L8wrtr’s audio, hopefully that will somewhat cancel out the overall silliness level.
(Also, how are the lightsabers?)
Other things I’m currently messing with:
- General Grevious addresses Anakin as “General” Skywalker. I mean, why not? It’ll help strengthen that image of Anakin I’m trying to build. You could honestly watch the original RoTS after AoTC and not pick up on the fact that Anakin isn’t Obi Wan’s padawan anymore. This is just a little thing among other things in this edit that try to hammer in how much Anakin has grown and matured.
- This is a dumb thing I’m probably not even going through with, but I added a few notes of “Ahsoka Leaves” (pitched down a little bit to fit with the surrounding music) after Master Windu says, “No. If what you’ve told me…” It doesn’t really do much of anything, but kind of(?) evoke the last time the council failed someone by being dense, and I guess it shows Anakin remembers.
- I’m going back and forth between keeping in “…to DEMOCRACY!” It really shows Obi Wan being angry. Like angrier than he was in the previous yelps. But it’s weird that it’s about democracy vs fascism, which doesn’t thematically fit with the idea that the duel is more personal than it is about anything else. But the emotion is there and it’s not like one line can’t be justified by Obi Wan just being frustrated and yelling whatever. Idk, without it, especially since I got rid of Anakin’s villain-y taunts (“you will try…”), Obi Wan igniting his saber first is… off. He doesn’t seem too scared or angry, just disappointed. Disappointed Obi Wan doesn’t feel as personal as I want it to be I guess. It feels a lot like he’s fighting Anakin out of just duty, akin to how it is in the original cut. I want both parties to be passionate and angry dammit LOL.
Other than these things, I can basically be done (but I still want to work on it); just need to fix a few audio things, and I could probably send anyone its current iteration if they asked.
So I’m a pretty amateur editor, so don’t expect too much. But…
There’s been so many fanedits of Revenge of the Sith, and I’ve appreciated and enjoyed a great deal of them, but I’ve never been able to find one that I’ve truly felt was my ideal RotS. And for one reason: The Clone Wars animated series.
The Clone Wars, once you get past its initial suck, really does wonders for the prequel era. Sure, it may not adhere to the OT 100%, just by proxy of following the prequels, but it does make up for those OT Ben Kenobi lines of “He was a great pilot, and a good friend…”- It gives us an Anakin Skywalker that is all of those things and is truly one of the most compelling Star Wars characters ever.
Matt Lanter/TCW depict Anakin very differently than Hayden Christensen and Lucas did; he’s a charming, swashbuckling, but mature jedi/general/teacher/pilot/friend - with a dark side that manifests itself in ways more interesting than bratty whining and naive creepiness. Knowing that THIS guy falls to the dark side is tragic, and seeing him inch further and further away from the Jedi Order as the show progresses is incredibly compelling.
Watching all of that build in TCW and then going into RotS almost makes RotS work - but Anakin is a completely different character. Theoretically, TCW should be able to complement the movie nicely for those who put the time in - but there’s too much suspension of disbelief at play to connect Christensen to Lanter.
Every edit I’ve seen hasn’t been able to do this (mostly b/c idk if they’ve really tried to) without me thinking to myself, “Well you could’ve done this or left in or out that.” So for this edit, I’m going to try and make an edit that reasonably connects RotS and TCW, specifically in the case of Anakin. The structure is essentially like HAL’s in terms of how Anakin’s motivations are presented, and which extraneous scenes and expositions were removed, but Anakin is depicted differently, and just to keep it canon, Padme still dies.
For starters: TCW!Anakin is 10x the man Christensen was. Christensen still seems too unconfident and naive, and less competent - Obi Wan consistently scolds and lectures him throughout the movie as if he was fresh off of being a padawan! Anakin had his own padawan and is the inspiring, capable leader to the 501st! Even if you hadn’t seen TCW, he has a reputation as Grevious mentioned. So obviously, I’m cutting out every time Anakin does something stupid or naive or just young-ish. A lot of this is in the opening:
- he doesn’t feel the need to sidetrack to save Oddball or whoever that was, he knows how war works
- Obi Wan trusts him way more in saving his life and doesn’t act fed up by his “antics”
- he doesn’t need to be reminded of the shields being up
- Not just in the opening, but every single reference in the film - bar for one from Yoda in the last act - of Obi Wan training Anakin has been removed. So Obi Wan doesn’t reply in surprise when Anakin suggests “Patience”, “All because of your training”, “[I haven’t been very appreciative] of your training”, “I have trained you since you were a small boy”, and “Don’t lecture me, Obi Wan.”, etc. Not that he didn’t train him, but Anakin and Obi Wan’s relationship is supposed to have evolved past mentor/mentee. They’re equals - brothers - and have been for a while now. These mentions are super expositional, anyway.
- Agency. No Palpatine goading and blatant manipulation.
At the same time, I’m going to maintain a sense of fun and swashbuckling in Anakin, which I know a lot of people have cut from their edits for being dumb. But I do believe there needs to be some levity in depicting Anakin pre-fall and his close brotherly relationship with Obi Wan. It’s more tragic to see the close friendship deteriorate this way.
Even if they’re dumb, I decided to leave in:
- “This is where the fun begins.”
- Cheerleader Obi Wan and Anakin
- The elevator sequence(s) (+I added in the “Roger Roger” Anakin and Obi Wan do together after slicing up the droids)
- “Shorter than I expected.”
They have very limited time together before it gets heavy for them, so I tried to make every “fun” moment between the two count.
Anakin can still be more wise and matured than he was in AoTC with all of that still there. I’ve made him much, much more confident, casual and zen-ish than he was portrayed in the original cut. He reacts to things and acts like Lanter!Anakin would.
- He doesn’t brag about his powers doubling.
- He isn’t a creep about stuff with Padme.
- Less questions being asked in most situations. Portrays confidence, and intelligence. (He catches on to Palpatine quicker without one question; he moves ahead of him suspicious and the next thing he says in the scene is “You’re the Sith Lord!”)
- He doesn’t say “…It’s unfair!” in response to the Master rejection
- He doesn’t whine about it to Obi Wan or call it insulting - that scene starts with “Anakin, you have been given a great honor…” Anakin’s clearly still angry, but he doesn’t verbally lash out too much. Much less petulant.
The most important part of this is his turn, though. I’ve been a little wary because I may have made Anakin TOO likeable and clear minded prior to his turn. But the thing is, TCW!Anakin when he was angry, acted just like Darth Vader. He was authoritative, brutal, cold, and menacing. The problem with RotS and a lot of its edits is that: Anakin turns to the dark side but he’s, like, insane. And weird. Evil!Anakin wasn’t like Darth Vader, he was just an evil emo schizophrenic child killer. To remedy this, I’ve tried to make Anakin in his right mind almost entirely throughout.
- Killing younglings is gone. Gradual turn and all that.
The big one is his dialogue. He starts talking like a full on villain as soon as he rises in the original. Like moustache twirler. I removed dialogue that made it sound like he was having a ton of fun being the bad guy, or anything that made him come off as too eager, or too 100% convinced in what he’s doing.
- He doesn’t villainously remind Palpatine to kill the jedi “spread across the galaxy”.
- He doesn’t tell Padme that he isn’t going “betray the Republic” or casually mention lots of Jedi being killed or that hopefully Obi Wan is still cool; b/c he has no illusions. Creepy villainous “Have faith my love…” gone. As well as any other instances of creepy soft Christensen in this scene.
- “Very good, my lord” is too much I R EVUL NOW, so that’s gone.
- Padme/Anakin Mustafar convo trimmed to be power hungry enough to freak out Padme, but not at the same level of crazy.
- “…then you’re my enEMy” gone, “You will tryy…” gone.
- “I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN…” “FROM MY POINT OF VIEW…” gone.
- “You underestimate my power!” gone.
This way, Anakin and Darth Vader are still essentially the same person. He doesn’t have to act like a bipolar weirdo, he just has to act like Anakin, but doing terrible things.
Like I said, though, aside from this focus on Anakin, I ended up doing a lot of what HAL did, because he got the closest to what I wanted. Dooku isn’t mentioned before he shows up, the political motivations introduced first, Obi Wan vs Anakin is more personal, etc. I probably could have just edited his cut to be completely honest, would have saved a lot of time, but there are differences (ones I haven’t already mentioned):
- “I sense a plot to destroy the jedi” line isn’t in mine.
- “There’s great conflict in you, Anakin” line isn’t in mine.
- “There is much fear that clouds your judgement” line isn’t in mine.
- Color grading and lightsabers are different; I just changed the blue ones in most circumstances.
- I left in and moved up the scene of Padme and Anakin discussing his dream right after he has it. Except this time, it’s not right after he has it, it’s after Palps gives him a reason to doubt Padme, so his brooding is about everything that has happened thus far, about the Jedi, the childbirth death, the dark side, etc. Telling Padme about his dream is kind of like him momentarily reaffirming his trust in her, and it acts as a more subtle, sweeter replacement for that scene in the original where’s all paranoid about Obi Wan and acts weird and evil and blatantly tells Padme that he’s found a way to save her. Anything to make his fall sadder.
- Yoda lands on Dagobah before Leia is on Alderaan. Padme funeral is still there, so this was the next best spot. It felt like it was going way too fast if I had just put it where HAL did; we just saw Yoda talking to Obi Wan.
TLDR; Almost done with a TCW/New Canon fitting Revenge of the Sith.
Here’s a test clip (Original first, mine second):
I added Anakin’s Theme from TPM into this last Obi Wan/Anakin scene before things go bad. Since I tried to reflect their bond as much as possible, adding this nostalgic score to when Anakin was innocent - as a requiem to their relationship - was fitting. And it ends on subtle Darth Vader notes, which works a lot better than the unrelated transition music in the original.
I’ll post more clips later; the elevator scene with the deleted footage was pretty hard to integrate, and I’d be open to suggestions and help with that.
Also a more cohseive chronological cutlist.
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In terms of plotting, how about starting the movie on Jedha, with Bodhi surrendering to and then meeting Saw? That’s the impetus for what gets Cassian and the Rebellion to Jyn, Jedha, and learning about the Death Star, so why not have it be the opening? Then we can have Cassian learning about it after the titles, then we meet Jyn, bring her to Yavin, brief her, etc. Cut out Bor Gullet. And then we can have the Erso opening somehow edited into the flashback Jyn has.
I thought that was one of the things Rogue One did the best, honestly.
It really amplified the meaning of “hope” at the end of the movie and into ANH, as that scene demonstrated how jaded and un-unified the “Rebel Alliance” had become prior to the Death Star plans being stolen and Luke Skywalker coming into the picture. Idk, it was one of the things this movie did to make you appreciate the heroes and events of the OT more; how the universe at large - outside of Luke, Leia and Han’s personal bubbles and character arcs - was affected and influenced by the actions of the OT heroes. We knew the Rebel Alliance was losing before, but Rogue One showed how the Empire’s consistent dominance over them progressively broke their collective strength and resolve, and fractured their unity to the point where the Empire damn near won.
If someone could somehow dub Matt Lanter over Anakin, that would be cool. If that becomes possible to do one day, what's to stop us from editing his voice onto Anakin in RotS, too?
His protrayal of Anakin is superior. To Hayden and his imitation voice in the 2003 series.
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