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#268533
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70 mm print of the Empire Strikes Back Differences
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----I wonder if any of those 70mm film frames released in 1995 tell us any more? Ok, perhaps that one is a bit desperate.
----EDIT - Actually I think this is the entire run.

One of those images is the previously mentioned wide shot of Han, Leia and the droids watching Luke, which was supposed to be missing in the 70mm cut right? Maybe they made a new blowup of a 35mm print for those collector cells....

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#268457
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70 mm print of the Empire Strikes Back Differences
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/268457/action/topic#268457
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From here:

http://www.retrothing.com/film/index.html

"The new issue of the superlative smallformat magazine just arrived in my mailbox today. I'm thrilled to see that the magazine is continuing in its high quality coverage of small format filmmaking, and the stylish (almost explicit!) photographs of old movie making gear.

This issue discusses the use of Super 8 and 16mm film aboard commercial airliners for in-flight movies. I've always wanted to learn more about this as I have airline prints of both Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back."


Hmmm, so it's possible 8mm prints of the entire film exist.....maybe we should contact the guy on retrothing and find out if his print is 8mm...
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#268453
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70 mm print of the Empire Strikes Back Differences
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From IMDB on german 8mm Star Wars:

The German "marketing film" released 10 months after the cinema start in West Germany a cut version on Super-8 on two reels in 4:3/color/sound. Reel #1 is running 17 minutes (120 meters), reel #2 is running 9 minutes. This two reels are fitting together and are showing the story from the beginning of the movie to the end of the fight between the Falcon and the TIE fighters right after the escape from the Death Star. The assault on the Death Star didn't make it in this Super-8 version. The beginning shows not the opening crawl, the cut version starts in space over Tatooine with the star destroyer attack on Princess Leias's blockade runner while a speaker summarizes the opening crawl. Almost three years later the German "UFA" released a 17 minutes long version including parts of the final battle against the Death Star and the throne room ceremony. Additional this version includes a lot of sequences not shown in the "marketing film" version: cantina scenes, Tusken raider scenes, the destruction of Alderaan, the Death Star approach of the Falcon after entering the Alderaan system. By editing this three reels together the viewer got a complete overview of the story. But Obi-Wans death is not shown. The 17 minutes US "Ken Films" version (F48) provides two scenes not included in the German version: Vaders conversation on the blockade runner and a part of Luke and Leias swing across the abyss. Editing this two scenes - copying the German audio track - into the "marketing/UFA"-3-reel-version provided the longest available cut version of STAR WARS: 43 minutes.


Now, I wonder if they did the same for Empire, and whether that version has even more footage from the 70mm....if only I lived in germany.....

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#264537
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Info: Kubrick's 'The Shining'... US & International versions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264537/action/topic#264537
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You say the talk of destroyed footage is bunk - but what about these statements from Leon Vitalli (Warner Bros repsentative and former Kubrick assistant)....

http://www.dvdtalk.com/leonvitaliinterview.html

Q: Obviously Kubrick shot cans and cans and cans and cans and reels and reels and reels of film for each of his films. Has that work been archived and is it being saved so that at some point people can be able to get a window into his creative process?

A: I'll tell you right now, okay, on Clockwork Orange, The Shining, Barry Lyndon, some little parts of 2001, we had thousands of cans of negative outtakes and print, which we had stored in an area at his house where we worked out of, which he personally supervised the loading of it to a truck and then I went down to a big industrial waste lot and burned it. That's what he wanted.

Q: Wow.

A: He didn't want anybody to either show…because basically in Eyes Wide Shut, there were four middle scenes which were cut out of it otherwise everything that he shot is on the screen. But those are gone. Basically, for the most part anyway, all you're going to see are like maybe 20, 30, 40 takes of the same thing, but for some reason, whether it's the tracking shot that had stopped halfway through because something had gone wrong or the acting was bad or flubbed line or what have you, were basically the same. What's there to see? You know? What is there to see? People know he took hundreds of takes sometimes. That's known about him. But for him, it's what was up on the screen.

It's not that I don't sympathize or understand why people get agitated, but when you come down to it, I would rather have it the way Stanley wanted it than the way a lot of other people. You could have had a hybrid of 100 ways of showing his films if it wasn't for Stanley being insistent about the way he wanted them to be seen.

Also (from the digital bits) :

Bill Hunt: I know that when Columbia TriStar recently went back to do a collector's edition of Dr. Strangelove, they wanted to use the alternate "pie fight" ending, but the Kubrick estate denied the request.

Leon Vitali: Well, again... Stanley never wanted any of that to be seen. Stanley was never one to save a lot of deleted scenes and trims and so forth. He felt that if he didn't use it in the movie, it had no business being seen.


found this quote from shelley duvall here about the ending: http://www.anchorbay.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=832&page=21&highlight=shining


Shelley Duvall (1981)
He cut out the final sequence of the film after several days in the theatres.
I think he was wrong, because the scene explains some things that are obscure for the public, like the importance of the yellow ball and the role of the hotel manager in the plot. Wendy is in the hospital with her son. The manager visits her, apologizes for what happened, and invites her to live with him. She doesn't say yes or no. Then he goes into the hallway of the hospital, passes in front of Danny, who is playing on the ground with some toys. When he gets near the exit, he stops and says, 'I almost forgot, I have something for you.' And he pulls from his pocket the yellow ball that the twins had thrown at Danny. It bounces twice (we spent a whole day filming so it would bounce the right way), Danny catches it, looks at it, then lifts his eyes towards the hotel manager, stupefied, realizing that throughout the story he was aware of the mystery of the hotel. Ullman walks out the door with an evil smirk on his face and gets in his car with Jack in the back. There was a Hitchcockian side to this resolution, and you know that Kubrick was crazy about Hitchcock.
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#263735
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Info: Kubrick's 'The Shining'... US & International versions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263735/action/topic#263735
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Came across this article, I’ve only seen the American version (which as far as I remember has all of these scenes mentioned - except for the epilogue) I think it would be interesting to see the “international” version (even though it would be the opposite of the usual preservations around here, actually having LESS footage) - the author of this article doesn’t mention any additions in the international version, but I wonder if there would be any alternate line readings etc, has anybody here ever seen the epilogue with Wendy and Danny in the hospital? Was it ever shown on tv?

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/sk/films/cutshining.htm

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#261375
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Info: Anyone Have The Fight Club Workprint? Or any workprints for that matter?
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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
Here's what I found out from Stumpy about the ED2 workprint:

from what i understand thr work print is only about 40 minutes long, i'm pretty sure it only contains the deleted scenes

I'll have to watch to verify, but at least if that's true, it's the good stuff.


I'm going to buy this if it has any deleted material - have you had a chance to look yet?

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#258645
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The Princess Bride (1987) - The Criterion Collection (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258645/action/topic#258645
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Originally posted by: trip42
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc

No. I had to go to work and since no one is helping me seed (like they promised ), it'll have to wait.


Sorry, certainly don't mean to push you or anything. I'm just never quite sure with the spleen anymore. They seem to remove some torrents for whatever reason and leave others. Thanks a lot for the seed. And we'll be ready and waiting whenever you are.


I haven't gotten the whole movie yet - but I'll keep to my promise when I do and seed.
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#258410
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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WOW! Are you kidding me???? Amazing work, love all of the eyes in the Cantina Seq, c3po coming out of the garage, that first blast on the tantive - I'm very very impressed. This could possibly become the most talked about fan cut ever. Seriously. Again, stunning stuff. Makes me wonder what the hell is wrong with Lucas (yet again)

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#254948
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Apocalypse Now - Workprint (now available) (Released)
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Originally posted by: crazyrabbits
Well, if you win the auction Mr. Krugj, and are able to transfer it to DVD, I have a couple DVD_Rom feature type deals you could add to it. I won one of the original programs from 1979 on Ebay, as well as a book (I think it's called Bloombury's Movie Guide) that documents every facet of the making of the film. I can also get articles and the like together if you plan on doing an extras section.


That sounds awesome crazyrabbits- it would be nice to have an additional "dossier" version maybe - hoping I win! looking good so far....

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#254645
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Apocalypse Now - Workprint (now available) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254645/action/topic#254645
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If I win, this is what I'm going to do : go from 3/4 to digital-beta (a very high grade broadcast format), then capture the digital beta into my final cut pro system @ 10bit uncompressed, (a substantial quality jump over dv). Then I will do whatever digital cleanup etc is neccessary, and output an mpeg2 directly from my uncompressed file using Mac's amazing program Compressor. I'm an editor for a living, and I love this movie, so I'd love to see what this "rough cut" is....
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#254601
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Apocalypse Now - Workprint (now available) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254601/action/topic#254601
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Hey there, I'm bidding on this auction, and I have access to 3/4 decks etc....I've set my maximum bid quite high, but I would certainly want to share this with everyone (I myself have downloaded quite a few torrents based on people's work from this site on myspleen). I've worked with 3/4 quite a bit, so I can tell you this, it's real time, so this is clearly not the 5 1/2 version.....I'm interested to see which version this actually is. I promise to share it with the board, so let's not get into a bidding war amongst ourselves ok?