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#1157694
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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LuckyGungan2001 said:

Michael Ward said:

Mrebo said:

Remind me of the 3PO moments?

Seems like one was about the time that he was saying mutiny was against his programming, but I don’t remember the line. They’re were a couple of others. One might have been when Finn and Poe and Rose were discussing their plan. They were not hilarious, but mildly amusing and not cringe worthy like most. The audience laughed out loud at them which I think made me enjoy them more than if I’d been by myself. Most of the other jokes landed with a thud with the audience when I saw it.

Funny how everyone who dislikes the movie seems to have gone to a showing where the jokes weren’t laughed at. All the jokes (even the dumb ones) were huge hits with the audience both times I saw it.

I didn’t like the movie, but the one and only time I saw it the jokes were laughed at. 😕

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#1156958
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liamnotneeson said:

Valheru_84 said:

Mrebo said:

Just to note, Val, the actress is Vietnamese.

Ah k, my mistake. I was under the impression she was Chinese.

Say what you want about the character and the subplot but Kelly Marie Tran did a very good job in her portrayal of Rose

No argument there, I don’t think anyone has a problem with her acting abilities, but it’s too bad she wasn’t given more to work with.

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#1156762
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dahmage said:

Mrebo said:

dahmage said:

Mielr said:

dahmage said:

Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.

Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)

No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.

What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?

They could have easily had all those events happen without Lando I am sure.

You can find a way to remove any character. But Lando added quite a lot and was integral in many ways. I don’t think it helpful to argue otherwise. I am curious how you view Rose.

I view Rose as an interesting character. She represents more of the working class of the resistance, if you will. I appreciated a character like that. I don’t think it helpful to argue that she served no purpose. That is why I compared her to Lando.

Lando was “working class” too. He went from being a gambler to administrator of a city. Luke and Han were also “working class.” Star Wars is full of working class heroes, but they also have reasons to be there. You can’t cut Han or Lando out of the movies and not have it affect the trajectory of the stories. Rose could be cut because she was mostly involved in side plots that didn’t amount to anything involving the main story. Which was about running out of fuel. I think.

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#1156754
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DominicCobb said:

Mielr said:

dahmage said:

Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.

Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)

No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.

What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?

Most of the movie doesn’t exist without Rose.

In that she occupies a lot of screen time, yes. But her presence in the film is inconsequential. She accomplishes nothing. Like I said in a previous post(s), you could cut her character totally out of the film and it would have no impact on the plot, such as it is. The whole casino/code cracker subplots could be eliminated entirely. It wouldn’t have made it a good movie, but it would have at least made it tighter.

I wish they’d filled some of that time with more training scenes with Luke and Rey. I would have loved to see Luke kick Rey’s ass in a lightsaber duel as part of her training. I would have loved to see him in a duel one last time. 😦

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#1156734
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dahmage said:

Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.

Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)

No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.

What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?

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#1156727
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yhwx said:

What do people not like about her?

The audience reviews on rotten tomatoes give lots of reasons, so do a lot of the review videos on youtube.

For me, I feel she could have been edited out of the film and it wouldn’t have mattered. Her character was underdeveloped and had poorly-written dialogue, like “we shouldn’t fight against what we hate, we should fight for what we love” (or something). To me, that’s right up there with “you’re breaking my heart!” and “sand is rough and your skin is smooth” (or something).

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#1156670
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Anjohan said:

Then yet some people can’t grasp the concept of storytelling, character evolution and originality - so they fault the director for it, rather than their own nostalgic expectations.

Yup. We’re just dumb. Glad you liked it, though. 😉

But, let me turn that around:

“Then yet some people can’t grasp the concept of storytelling, character evolution and originality - so they fault the critics, rather than their own willingness to accept whatever is given them.”*

*Not saying that’s how I feel about people who like this film (because that would be rude).

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#1156314
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How to refer to Star Wars?
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Star Wars’s is certainly the least offensive. But it’s still just a stack of disembodied heads. The original Star Wars artwork was gorgeous (both theatrical posters). The colors on the ROTJ SE poster are downright gross. The Emperor looks like shit on the TESB poster.

I have the SW one framed (I think the faces were very well done), though I agree that the composition wasn’t as interesting as some of his other posters. I don’t care for the other 2 as much, but I like how the three posters “connect” when they’re displayed in a row, and how the luke/vader portion of the rotj poster is kind of a nod to his original “red” rotj poster (which was a great poster).

The '78 “circus” poster is still my all-time favorite, though.

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#1156286
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How big was Star Wars in the 70s 80s and 90s
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Starwarsrules said:

I’m a 20 years old and of course I know Star Wars is big now but how huge was it in the 20th century

Have you never seen any documentaries about Star Wars? 😕

https://youtu.be/YXfkdXCs1N4

ChainsawAsh said:

Yeah, that was part of a whole “Endor ghosts set” or something. I’ve got it in my parents’ basement somewhere. Think I also had a separate ghost Obi-Wan that came individually, but I can’t remember for sure.

I have the “force ghost obi-wan” figure that I got from sending in bar codes from frito-lay in '97(?). Kellogg’s also had a Han figure in Stormtrooper costume that I sent away for (during the “one last time” campaign around 1995).

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#1156281
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How to refer to Star Wars?
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

chyron8472 said:

When I talk to my 14yo nephew about the Star Wars movies, he’s not really that big a fan and has a hard time remembering which Episode number goes by which subtitle. At one point, he asked me why I don’t just call them by their episode numbers, and I said that it wasn’t until the prequels came out that their numbers even were on the box or that Star Wars was marketed as A New Hope.

Then I showed him images of OT posters and VHS boxes to prove my point.

God those were awful posters.

😕 I thought they were some of the nicest work Drew Struzan did for the OT. I think the SW poster was especially beautiful. The posters were the best thing about the SEs, IMO.

On topic: lately, I’ve been calling it “SW 77” to avoid confusion (referring to the 77 original, of course and not the 97 SE abomination). The SEs soured me on calling it ANH years ago.

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#1154445
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SilverWook said:

Mielr said:

SilverWook said:

Mielr said:

SilverWook said:

Chewie will discover the ones that stowed away on the Falcon reproduce at an alarming rate

SilverWook said:

Well he did return in the OT, sort of. 😛

I don’t get it.

Those braided things hanging off Boba Fett’s shoulder? They’re Wookiee scalps! I thought everybody knew that.

Yeah, I remember reading that someplace ages ago, but I didn’t notice them in the pic.

There was text pointing them out. 😛

I see that now—it’s very small and blurry on my screen.

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#1153781
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SilverWook said:

Mielr said:

SilverWook said:

Chewie will discover the ones that stowed away on the Falcon reproduce at an alarming rate

SilverWook said:

Well he did return in the OT, sort of. 😛

I don’t get it.

Those braided things hanging off Boba Fett’s shoulder? They’re Wookiee scalps! I thought everybody knew that.

Yeah, I remember reading that someplace ages ago, but I didn’t notice them in the pic.

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#1153764
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SilverWook said:

Chewie will discover the ones that stowed away on the Falcon reproduce at an alarming rate

That’s 'cause he fed them after midnight.

SilverWook said:

Well he did return in the OT, sort of. 😛

I don’t get it.

Ryan said:

In ROTJ, I liked the Ewoks. Even remember playing with that Ewok village toy. But after the prequels came out, I learned that there were a sizable group of OT fans who hated the Ewoks. i.e. just there to sell toys, or were too cuddly or something. I can understand people not liking the Ewoks. I do hate the CGI with blinking eyes in the Blu-Rays though. Also wish the Ewoks battle scenes didn’t have that green screen look to them.

But I was wondering. Are there any here who hated the Ewoks, but love the Porgs?

I thought most of those scenes were shot on location—I don’t recall a lot of green/blue-screen shots, but it’s been a while since I’ve seen it.

I loved ewoks and I liked the porgs. Ironically, the porgs were actually one of the few things I did like about TLJ, because when I saw photos of them, I thought I was going to hate them.

I call BS on most of the people who say they don’t like ewoks. I think they secretly love them. 😉 You can keep the blinking ones, though. I refuse to watch that crap. Ugh.

(All you young’uns know that Endor was originally supposed to be a Wookiee planet, and they just decided to cut the creatures down in size, right?)

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#1151685
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yotsuya said:

TV’s Frink said:

There’s a lot going on, sure, but I don’t see how it’s that complicated.

It’s not. The Resistance flees their base and almost gets wiped out despite their best efforts while Rey goes to find Luke Skywalker and answers and only ends up with some ancient texts before returning in time to save the survivors of the new Rebellion.

Thanks…now I’ll have something to tell people if they ask. 😉

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#1151679
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Anjohan said:

If you weren’t on your seat during the throne room scene with Snoke - and after his death, or the Luke Skywalker ending, then you are bound to be disappointed for everything coming your way in IX, Han Solo, Obi-Wan etc.

Which is why I won’t be seeing them.

Anjohan said:Like how were you not on your edge?

It wasn’t planned. It just didn’t do it for me. I found nothing suspenseful or interesting plot-wise. I never felt that the characters were ever in any sort of jeopardy, and even if they were, they were so uninteresting, that I didn’t care.

TV’s Frink said:

There’s a lot going on, sure, but I don’t see how it’s that complicated.

I didn’t find it so much complicated as convoluted, I guess. Something about running out of fuel? Finding a code-cracker so they could not be tracked in hyperspace? A giant battering-ram at the end? None of the scenes felt interrelated or connected to me. 😕

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SilverWook said:

https://geektyrant.com/news/star-wars-fans-in-1980-reacted-to-empire-strikes-back-in-the-same-way-fans-are-reacting-to-the-last-jedi

I don’t see a whole lot of overlap in the criticisms between ESB and TLJ.

Most of the criticisms of ESB is that it wasn’t neatly tied-up like SW77 was, and left people with a lot of questions. But the point is, they CARED, and were upset they’d have to wait 3 years to get the answers to those questions. They were expecting a happy ending like SW77 and they didn’t get it. They were frustrated, and didn’t like what happened to the characters…but they CARED.

My problem with TLJ is that it made me not give a crap anymore. Halfway through the film, I was wishing they’d all get blown up like in R1. I don’t CARE about Rose and Finn and Poe and Rey and Ren and whatever boring thing they’re going to do next. It left me with no interest at all in seeing ep. IX.

There was never a moment in the film where I was in suspense or on the edge of my seat wondering what was going to happen next. For an adventure/fantasy/sci-fi film, that’s an automatic thumbs-down for me.

If someone were to ask me to explain the plot of TLJ, I don’t think I could. The story and screenplay were very poorly conceived and written, IMO. 😕

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Warbler said:

Mielr said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

DrDre said:

Porkins4real said:

DrDre said:

Mocata said:

DrDre said:
Yeah, but that just a way of bypassing the argument.

By weighing up the things we see on screen and coming to a rational conclusion? TFA aside what does she do in TLJ that makes her so perfect? Screw everything up and give Kylo a swanky throne? Made of solid gold? I don’t get it. Then again we had a whole debate about how Luke never choked anyone, so who knows what powers of inference anybody has these days. So many angry people.

I wasn’t part of the Luke Force choke debate, sorry.

Given Mark Hammill believe Luke never used Force Choke we can put that debate to bed.

I personally allways interpreted the scene as signifying Luke’s a darker character now, and more like his father than he might think. So, to me that allways was a case of Luke using a Force choke, but if Hamill or anyone else sees it differently, I suppose only George Lucas has the answer. The ROTJ screenplay doesn’t speak of a Force choke, so you may very well be right.

anyone know exactly what the screenplay says in that scene?

It doesn’t matter. What matters is what’s on the screen, and they’re clearly being choked. They make gurgling sounds and put their hands up to their throats.

The screenplay might show what they intended Luke to be doing in that scene.

Why is this still a debate?

Because I’ve watched that scene millions of times over the last 34 years since it came out, and I never got the idea he was using force choke.

I posted the quotes from the novelization AND the screenplay on pg. 106 (is anyone listening?! LOL!!!)

Yes, I saw. Thankyou.

You’re welcome.

Warbler said:

Does anyone know what the dice things were that Luke handed Leia?

They’re the dice from the Falcon cockpit.

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#1151097
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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

DrDre said:

Porkins4real said:

DrDre said:

Mocata said:

DrDre said:
Yeah, but that just a way of bypassing the argument.

By weighing up the things we see on screen and coming to a rational conclusion? TFA aside what does she do in TLJ that makes her so perfect? Screw everything up and give Kylo a swanky throne? Made of solid gold? I don’t get it. Then again we had a whole debate about how Luke never choked anyone, so who knows what powers of inference anybody has these days. So many angry people.

I wasn’t part of the Luke Force choke debate, sorry.

Given Mark Hammill believe Luke never used Force Choke we can put that debate to bed.

I personally allways interpreted the scene as signifying Luke’s a darker character now, and more like his father than he might think. So, to me that allways was a case of Luke using a Force choke, but if Hamill or anyone else sees it differently, I suppose only George Lucas has the answer. The ROTJ screenplay doesn’t speak of a Force choke, so you may very well be right.

anyone know exactly what the screenplay says in that scene?

It doesn’t matter. What matters is what’s on the screen, and they’re clearly being choked. They make gurgling sounds and put their hands up to their throats.

The screenplay might show what they intended Luke to be doing in that scene.

Why is this still a debate?

Because I’ve watched that scene millions of times over the last 34 years since it came out, and I never got the idea he was using force choke.

I posted the quotes from the novelization AND the screenplay on pg. 106 (is anyone listening?! LOL!!!)

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#1151068
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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

DrDre said:

Porkins4real said:

DrDre said:

Mocata said:

DrDre said:
Yeah, but that just a way of bypassing the argument.

By weighing up the things we see on screen and coming to a rational conclusion? TFA aside what does she do in TLJ that makes her so perfect? Screw everything up and give Kylo a swanky throne? Made of solid gold? I don’t get it. Then again we had a whole debate about how Luke never choked anyone, so who knows what powers of inference anybody has these days. So many angry people.

I wasn’t part of the Luke Force choke debate, sorry.

Given Mark Hammill believe Luke never used Force Choke we can put that debate to bed.

I personally allways interpreted the scene as signifying Luke’s a darker character now, and more like his father than he might think. So, to me that allways was a case of Luke using a Force choke, but if Hamill or anyone else sees it differently, I suppose only George Lucas has the answer. The ROTJ screenplay doesn’t speak of a Force choke, so you may very well be right.

anyone know exactly what the screenplay says in that scene?

It doesn’t matter. What matters is what’s on the screen, and they’re clearly being choked. They make gurgling sounds and put their hands up to their throats.

FWIW, the novelization says they were choked (I posted the quote on pg. 106).

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