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#794670
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THE FORCE AWAKENS (Episode VII) Discussion *SPOILER THREAD* See OP For Trailer/Teaser Links--Trailer is out!
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joefavs said:


Unless everything we think we know about this film is completely off base, Luke's absence figures heavily into the plot. I'm totally fine with him barely being in it if it makes the story better. We've got two more of these on the way, I don't mind it if we don't get everything all at once.


Yeah, well Mark Hamill isn't getting any younger (and neither am I!) I may be dead before the next 2 come out! ;-)

Anyhow, good trailer. The trailers alone are already better movies than eps 1-3.

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#794113
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THE FORCE AWAKENS (Episode VII) Discussion *SPOILER THREAD* See OP For Trailer/Teaser Links--Trailer is out!
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My nephew showed me the poster yesterday---he seemed to like it but when I inspected it closely I saw that it wasn't by Struzan, but some kind of photoshop crap so I was disappointed.

WHY isn't Luke in the poster? There's a bunch of speculation about his role in this film....I hope he isn't (as some suggest) doing just a sort of brief cameo in preparation for pt. 8. I'll be very upset. :-?

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#773273
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Drew Struzan? No thanks.
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I'm a Struzan fan. While I don't like the SE's, I do like his artwork, especially for ANH.

My favorite Star Wars poster of all time is the Struzan/White "circus" poster used for the '78 re-release. I never cared much for the designs used in '77. I thought they were hokey and it bothered me that the illustrations didn't resemble the actors very much.





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#756943
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Film cells from a Technicolor print on ebay
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I just bought a few of these so that I could look at them in person. I'll have to do a little research to see if there are any tell-tale signs that these are truly IB cels, which I hope they are.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-2-x-35mm-Film-Cells-Vintage-Star-Wars-1977-Han-Luke-amp-Leia-/121584354755?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=LI91UZJ%252FBqkf9DhZBqBTEwI8vX8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc#ht_418wt_0

Offhand, does anyone know of a fairly easy way to determine if these are IB cels as opposed to photochemical? I imagine the "emulsion" side of the film would look different (?)

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#756099
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Film cells from a Technicolor print on ebay
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skyjedi2005 said:
Were the seps misaligned or just missing a color layer?


My understanding (which is limited) is that the cyan strip was misaligned. But like msycamore said, if that's the case, they should be able to overcome that obstacle with digital tools.

But who the hell knows. We'll find out what happened at Area 51 before we find out what the fate of the original SW elements are.

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#753924
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Film cells from a Technicolor print on ebay
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I've heard that the separations were done incorrectly and because they weren't tested at the time, they only recently discovered this. I recall something about Lucas being overheard telling someone at some sort of awards ceremony that the blue record was screwed up. I think this is common with films preserved this way, with the seps not being tested due to budget, indifference, laziness or whatever.

An interesting link:
http://youtu.be/7Y8JZ_w9a-k

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#753361
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Film cells from a Technicolor print on ebay
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The history is fascinating, though unfortunately I know of few people outside film-themed forums whose eyes wouldn't glaze over at such discussions. ;-)

There used to be a dye-transfer lab in China (after the last Technicolor lab in England closed in 1978) but I think that one is gone now too. Richard W. Haines used the Chinese lab for his films and he wrote an article in 1991 for The Perfect Vision magazine called "The Return of Glorious Technicolor" which is very informative, if you can find it.

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#753277
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Film cells from a Technicolor print on ebay
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NeverarGreat said:


So essentially the Technicolor film would be created based on the color separations, which were printed on Eastman stock.


Right, but the separations aren't "prints". They would be b&w negatives, 3 of them, each recording one color record (Red, Green, Blue).

"Three b/w color separations were produced from the Eastmancolor negative and printed by dye transfer on blank film"

This essentially re-creates the process of the 3-strip camera, without the film having to be originally shot that way. The resulting print would be dye-transfer (non-photochemical). Only the negs would be photochemical. This is how the IB prints for Star Wars were created.

The 3 B&W negs have to be combined to produce a full-color print, so if you're looking at something full color, you're not looking at a separation master (and nobody would have access to one to cut up and sell, anyhow).

With new blu-ray releases of older films, they're using sep masters to create photochemical prints for the new transfers. But even if Technicolor makes them, they're no different than if they were done by Kodak or Rank or any other film lab. The Technicolor name doesn't mean anything anymore since all their dye-transfer operations are long gone.

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#753257
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Film cells from a Technicolor print on ebay
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If they are from SE prints, it's doubtful much fading would be evident. Willitts Designs sold 70mm cels from all 3 OT films from pre-SE prints in the mid-90's and so far only the ROTJ prints show significant signs of fading (different stock used).

True dye-transfer prints did not use a photochemical process so there was no Technicolor "stock" per se. They used blank/clear strips of "film" for their printing (which was a lithography-type process).

On a side note, I don't think any true IB Print would say "Eastman Safety" because that denotes a photochemical stock.

http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/oldcolor/technicolor1.htm

It's interesting, though, and definitely worth a bit more research. It's too bad that the cels are 'scope.

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#753249
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Film cells from a Technicolor print on ebay
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Let's remember that the name "Technicolor" was used long after the dye-transfer prints stopped being made. The company retained the name so "Technicolor" does not automatically mean IB prints.

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#753244
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Any Star Wars TV stuff coming up?
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ABC Airs "COUNTDOWN TO THE OSCARS: 15 MOVIES THAT CHANGED AMERICAN CINEMA" tonight 2/17/15 at 10pm EST.

I imagine SW will be included in which case there may be some new interview clips worth watching. We'll see....

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#752163
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The Best Line in the Star Wars Films
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TV's Frink said:



Mielr said:

"I know"

"Will someone get this big walking carpet out of my way?!"

"I'm nice men"

"We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?"

"Would it help if I got out and pushed?"

"It's not my fault!"


 I take it this is your rough draft.


Nope- YOU get to pick the one you like best. ;-)

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#734973
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Which version is better for the OT? Laserdisc or the limited edition 2 disc dvd?
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msycamore said:



Not that this answer of mine has any bearing on althor1138's original question. But it depends on what pressing of the DC you own. At least one shot utilizes another source on early pressings of the DC (lightsaber shot in Ben's Hut). While the replacement seen on the Faces LD and the Bonus Feature DVD fixed a quite severe case of DVNR, it introduced another flaw here which is incorrect aspect ratio. But on the other hand those early DC pressings lacked the "Leia welding scene" in ESB among other things, so it's more of an early production flaw than a "true difference."

Ridiculously enough, the tranfers on the LD's overall displays slightly more vertical detail compared to the Bonus Feature DVD's and if we're going to be even more picky, different amounts of complete frames. And the LD's of course contains the 1981 re-release crawl on the first film. The latter might be enough to some collectors.


I knew about the welding scene and I was very careful to get a later pressing because of that (but instead got a copy of ROTJ with laser rot one one disc), but I've never heard about the lightsaber/Ben's Hut scene being different on later pressings.

I don't see the extra vertical detail on the LDs (even on the X0 screenshots from way back when--IIRC they were pretty fuzzy compared with the Gout). I think the LDs lost a lot of picture detail when they went through the extra analog pressing step, that the DVDs were able to skip. To each his own, though. I'm not a proponent of the blu-rays, either. ;-)

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#734917
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Which version is better for the OT? Laserdisc or the limited edition 2 disc dvd?
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There is a fun novelty in owning a LD player and LDs, but I personally don't think I would have spent money on a LD player if I'd known the GOUT DVDs were coming out. The image quality is far better on the DVDs, and you can find the JSC and other releases on fan edits if you're interested in seeing the differences between the different sources. The only real advantage the DC and Faces discs have are the PCM soundtracks, which blow the GOUT discs away, but the PCM tracks are available on fan edits as well.

althor1138 said:


It is not present in the DC. I can't say for sure about the faces. I only own esb(faces).


Isn't it the general consensus that the DC and Faces discs are the same, except that one is CAV and one is CLV? They are from the same masters, I believe (as is the GOUT).

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#734596
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"Star Wars Costumes" (OT) book due in October...
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Wolfman said:


Costumes are displayed on mannequins but there are some costumes such as Chewbacca which show the individual mask and feet.
Great stuff !


Are there any photos of the actors in their costumes (like the front cover) or are all the interior pics of mannequins? I was hoping to see some rare/unseen pics of the actors posing in their characters' outfits. :-/


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#728994
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What did Ghost Obi Wan mean?
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SilverWook said:


Mielr said:

Leia clearly had some "force" powers when she heard Luke calling her, post-duel, under Cloud City. Maybe she wasn't Luke's sister at that point, but I think she was the "other" Yoda referred to and it wasn't much of a stretch then in ROTJ to reveal she had acquired her abilities due to being part of the Skywalker clan.


 It can be interpreted both ways. Leia was the only one Luke could try to contact because of the strong feelings between them. He knew something had happened to Han. It might have been dicey to try calling Chewie, and he certainly didn't know Lando.


I don't know---I think they were clearly communicating that Leia had some sort of special force powers, sibling or not. I can't see Luke communing with Chewie or Lando via ESP. :-P

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#728980
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What did Ghost Obi Wan mean?
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Leia clearly had some "force" powers when she heard Luke calling her, post-duel, under Cloud City. Maybe she wasn't Luke's sister at that point, but I think she was the "other" Yoda referred to and it wasn't much of a stretch then in ROTJ to reveal she had acquired her abilities due to being part of the Skywalker clan.

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#723372
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How did you first see the star wars films?
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I saw the first two films in movie theaters in 1982 (pre-ROTJ re-releases). I saw ROTJ on opening day, May 25th 1983.

Actually, I saw the first several minutes of SW at a friend's house on bootleg video in 1977 or 1978, but my Mom said we had to go home so I didn't get to watch the rest of the film. :-(

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#712213
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Harrison Ford's ankle is on Twitter
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Uh, oh. I think that twitter handle is going to have to be changed to "Harrison Ford's LEG" :-/ That kind of injury is tough to recoup from at 71.

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