Laserschwert said:
Nicely done, although the contrast and colors of your clean up are a bit too strong for my taste.
It's a work in progress. That's just what I had after 2 hours playing around this morning, but I figured it was worth sharing.
Don't worry. I'm going to do all the OT scenes. It'll just take a while because I'm swamped with a few professional projects and they paycheck jobs have to come first.
The prequel scenes, with the missing blue screen stuff, I'm not so sure about bothering with.
It kind of kills me how little effort they put into cleaning these up.
This is just two shots, but I threw this together in about 2 hours.
Imagine how much better it could look if they threw in half the effort with George's resources.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq5nxaUebIA
To any Mac users having trouble burning the BDMV folders and getting it to play, burn it using Toast Titanium 10.
There is an option under the video tab for BDMV Folders.
Burn them that way and they will play fine on PS3 & BluRay players.
I just heard about these a few days back and watched the whole Trilogy this weekend. Damn beautiful work, man.
The asinine changes to the official Blu-Ray set, plus the lackluster effort to the new deleted scenes on the official Blu-Ray had me seriously doubting whether to shell out the $100 for it. Watching these over the weekend re-enforced my decision not to buy them.
Never thought I'd see the originals in this level of quality again.
Not related to my edits per se, just kinda ranting after watching the Blu-Ray.
How hard would it have been for them to do this? It took me less than an hour.
George is at it again making changes to the original trilogy...
Check out the all new Max Rebo Band sequence as it will appear on the Blu-Ray release of Return of the Jedi... (but not really)
Yeah, at first I was hesitant at a voice with an accent and then I remembered that all the Imperials sounded British, Watto was Jewish, the Federation were flat out racial slurs against Asians, and the original Jar Jar was such a stereotype that he might as well have said "Yessem Massa, I be pickin the space cotton" before beating up the tar baby for not responding when he said "Howdy."
There is certainly a precedent, especially considering its the accent Lucas has often described as his vision for what Threepio should have sounded like. And at least the voice is just an accent and not flat out offensive like some of the aforementioned.
The Jar Jar one was more prepared for. The Viceroy one was actually the same voice actor going, "Let me try something for the Viceroy" and firing that out on the fly.
A couple rough test clips to have a look at.
In the original Star Wars, George Lucas intended to dub over Threepio with a sleazy used car salesman personality with a Joe Pesci brooklyn accent. We decided to do a little homage to that with this English dub mock up of Jar Jar Binks. The mix is still rough, some original Jar Jar sounds remain and one line is missing. This is more of a mock up to test the voice out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0kJdtsAS3M
And a mock up Dub giving the Viceroy a little European flair and giving Dofine an almost Skeletor sound to his voice. They still bare a slight resemblance to the original English dub. One of the Neimoidians is not dubbed and the sound mix is rough, not as smooth as the actual edit.
Just an experiment to see what people thing of seeing the characters speaking English.
Chewtobacca said:
SilverWook said:
Thanks for exhuming that vile and ugly old phrase from the past, Sunday. We can have civil discussions and disagreements on this board without it.
I entirely agree. The phrase is so extreme and unnecessary, and I find it more than a little disturbing.
I actually find it amusing.
Besides, I think George said it best, here.
NOTE: I should add, I'm just being a smart ass. I want the OOT as much as anybody. Though at this point, if the unaltered scenes were just dumped unremastered in HD in the deleted scenes section straight from the film print, I'd be fine with that. I'm sure we could take care of the rest at this point.
You're wasting time trying to explain it to some of these people. They're like Walter & we're the Dude.
Darth Lars said:
MagnoliaFan said:
Just because the scene was half assed in 83 doesn't mean it isn't real. That's probably why it was cut out of the film to begin with.I claim the shots of Luke to be a fake because Mark Hamill has said on several occasions that they were never shot with him in it. Each time, he sounded much more sure of himself than I think that he did at CV ...
Like I said (it was either here or in the Blu-Ray thread), Nimoy sounded absolutely authoritative when he told me that he never did Transformers the movie. Guess what? He just forgot something that only took a couple hours a few decades prior. People forget things.
There's been a few times on films where I've commented to someone, "I really wish we would have shot _____, so I could cut to it right here." before they correct me, "You did shoot that!" and I have to go back and sift through footage to check. Its easy to forget a few minutes on a set with the amount of shit you go through in a production.
Oh well, there's always gotta be someone swearing that the moon landing was faked or wearing tinfoil hats because the government is stealing their brainwaves.
avoidz said:
Unless GL dies and someone (not Rick McCallum) steps in to take over with a clear head and actually listens to the long-time fans, nothing will change.
I actually bet that if George kicked or retired and Rick was in charge, you'd see the originals released.
He'd act like it was his idea, probably just have them restore the few minutes of each film that were replaced with SE stuff and splice it into the SE master on the cheap, stick it in a box set where you'd need to buy all 6 movies and a bunch of bonus material for like $250, give a thumbs up exclaiming "This is gonna be f*cking awesome!", and then roll around in piles of money laughing.
He's a producer. His job is to give 'em what they want as cheap as he can and to maximize profits.
Deleted scenes section of the disc. Not in the film proper.
Absolutely.
What's funny is it was pretty close to what I imagined the scene looking like, except I would have just wiped straight from Vader walking away from Jerjerod (probably spelled wrong) to Vader in the meditation chamber and lost the other 2 Vader shots. That and trimmed down his dialog a bit. Besides that, spot on.
I agree. This isn't something that I came up with for an edit looping and reversing shots from a dvd.
George and Mark unveiled it themselves. If you look at the side view of Luke in the hood, there is absolutely zero question that it is Hamill and that's just looking at it on a youtube clip of a half ass cel phone video of it.
If it looked like they just threw a hood on Jon Lovitz and shot the scene and tried to pass it off, you would have heard a collective, "WTF" from the fans who were seeing it in full quality on a 50 foot screen.
Plus as has been said many times before, the soundtrack cds have had the score for this scene on it for many years. This scene was scored in 82-83 when Williams scored the movie.
Granted, it does look like there is some lazy recycling of alternate takes of footage to make up some of the Vader stuff, but as an editor, let me tell you, we do that shit all the time. Just normally for typical Hollywood fare, cynical fanboys aren't combing over it looking for any excuse to call it fake. If Han shooting Greedo wasn't in the original Star Wars, people would call that scene fake today when it went on the Blu Ray, because Han's "Even I get boarded sometimes, do you think I had a choice?" is obviously the exact same take of audio lifted from the Jabba scene.
This whole thing reminds me of over a year before Episode II came out, a supposed draft of the script came out and everyone picked it apart as fake. I still have it and it was 100% dead on accurate. People were just looking for a reason to cry fake.
Then when Episode III was coming out, a year or two before, storyboards and scene descriptions came out about a terminator like cyborg named Grievous that hunted Jedi and swung on a grappling hook walking on the side of the ship. People ridiculed the leaker claiming it was fan fiction bullshit and ran them off of several sites. At the time I remember thinking to myself, "There's no way that could possibly be made up. No fan would make up something so stupid." Fast forward a few years and what do you know, cyborg swinging on a hook.
And when the Trilogy hit dvd, the changed scenes leaked a few weeks before the release and until the day those discs were on shelves, people who could watch McDiarmid as the Emperor, see the changed Jabba, and see Hayden at the end of Jedi vowed that all of those scenes were faked by fans and were not going to be on the discs.
People need to get over their "Pics or it didn't happen" cynical attitudes. If you saw the pics, you'd just say they were photoshopped. Show you video and its a fake. Let you stand on set and watch them shoot it, and you'd swear it was doubles or that you were plugged into the Matrix or something.
Just because the scene was half assed in 83 doesn't mean it isn't real. That's probably why it was cut out of the film to begin with.
Nerfherder said:
From Slashfilm: "The scene has completed visual effects and music because it was cut right before the final edit of the film was made during post production."
So I guess that puts to rest ideas that it was patched together recently then ;)
I love how until they come out and say, "Yes, this is 100% from the original production" people start coming up with every hairbrained theory they can to say it was shot new.
Waiting for someone to say that it is Hayden in the Vader armor AND playing Luke under the hood.
"That's not her toe, Dude. I guess its totally impossible to take somebody else's toe..." - Walter
Where I did it was a bigger pain in the ass than I thought since that last shot is a close up of Yoda, so I basically had to paint in the rest of the background (desk, chair, walls) and rotoscope Obi-Wan out of an earlier shot.
There is some spoken lines by Qui-Gon in the earlier scene with Yoda meditating, adding a little more clarification to the prophecy and sort of turning what one would have assumed the Force's motivations throughout the prequels were on their head.
I initially had an earlier scene where Anakin and Qui-Gon interacted and I really liked the scene, but then later when we hear a call back to a Qui-Gon line from Episode I, I found that it makes that scene confusing, because it seems like Qui-Gon's ghost is speaking to him, rather than him reflecting back, so that scene will probably end up as a deleted scene.
I couldn't really do a video teaser without just showing the scene, but here's a still captured from it:
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/104/l_ec34c95ff316464ea183bf4174220040.png
"How to commune with him, I will teach you."
And of course, I would really like to see them complete the real scene... It's just a case of going, "Dammit, I JUST finished this scene!"
SilverWook said:
Either this was cut very late in post production, or the saber FX was recently added.
They probably went back and completed the effects, just like they did for the prequel dvds.
I would bet he probably shot it and forgot all about it.
Years ago, I was at these rehearsal sessions for the Halloween recording of Alien Voices with Leonard Nimoy and he was performing "The Cask of Amontillado". I commented to him that I hadn't heard him sound that sinister since Galvatron in Transformers the Movie.
He swore up and down he wasn't in it and never recorded any dialog for anything Transformers. I had to go out and buy a vhs of it (it was pre-dvd release) to show him his name on the cover and he was like "Wow, you don't say?"
After a while, he vaguely started to remember it and said he recorded the whole session for the film in like 2 hours and had never given it another thought.
Ideally, "The Lost 20 Scene", a leaked early draft of the script has additional Jar Jar scenes with the whole diplodect thing (which I would dub and rewrite), there was a scene where a ship made the jump to hyperspace (like in the OT) which was cut, there was a little scene with Anakin and Padme's dad, there was the whole subplot with the original Threepio puppet that Padme finished putting his platings on while Anakin was looking for his mother, there was also a little more Owen & Beru with Padme, and there was more to the Yoda/Dooku duel where Dooku was using 2 sabers and still couldn't hold off Yoda, which made it much less a stalemate and more of Dooku desperately saving his ass moments before Yoda was going to take his head off. I remember Yoda's last line was something like "The end this is for you." right before Dooku pulls that pillar down on Obi-Wan & Anakin.
I don't really know what will be included and what won't, yet, other than being fairly certain that the "Lost 20" will be, because it was the scene most bitched about not having been on the dvd release. And of course it will kind of depend on how good the scenes are that are included.
I've seen the additional scene for the Geonosis Battle in Episode II with incomplete effects and it was nothing to write home about. They had it up for download on Hyperspace a few years ago.
With Episode III, I'm hoping they include the earlier scene where Obi-Wan goes to visit Padme, further establishing their friendship, and the scenes of Anakin percieving a love triangle that's not there, which Palpatine of course eggs on. If you read the script, there is a lot of closeted Anakin jealousy toward Obi-Wan that was cut out early in the film.
Is it wrong that I really hope they haven't finally gone back and completed the Liam Neeson scene for Episode III? (it would really take the piss out of something I already did that I haven't released yet)
Oh and of course there is the digital Yoda in Episode I, so I'll probably go back and add that to "Balance".
ThiefCobbler4ever said:
Incidently, will the version of the Prequel Trilogy be new or the same DVD versions?
At the very least, Episode I will feature a digital Yoda. That's been known for a while.
The problem with Vader's dialog is that it is Lucas dialog, before being handed over to an editor.
If it had made the final film, it would have gone from:
Luke. Luke. Join me in the Dark Side of the Force. My son, it is the only way. Luke. Luke.
To this:
Luke. Join me in the Dark Side. It is the only way.
Its kinda like that deleted scene for Episode IV on the original dvds where Obi-Wan says "If my blade finds its mark, you will cease to exist, but if you strike me down I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
First thing the editor did was snip off the first half of that.
Now that all 6 films have been announced for Blu-Ray with new deleted scenes, I can say that "The Clone War" will definitely get a complete overhaul when the BR comes out.
I'm not sure much was missing from TPM that I would add to "Balance of the Force" from the screenplays, but there is tons of things from "Episode II" that I wanted to integrate that were not on the dvd.
Also several of my favorite parts of Episode III were not on the original disc, too, so those scenes will probably go in as well.
Anyone who ever wondered why the changes to Episode II were less drastic than the changes I made to Episode I, you'll probably find out why next year.