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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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nhoj3 said:

Can we all please stop discussing future instalments in an OT thread?

With all due respect I don’t come here for spolilers or mild speculation that could turn out to be spoilers.

With respect, it was merely brought up in regards to how Luke’s missing/reappearing hilt in ROTJ might be handled for Revisited. Tried to be careful not going too far, but if I did, I apologize 😃 Not another peep from me about it.

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ray_afraid said:

.Mac. said:

About Luke’s saber, though, after he tosses it away in front of the Emperor, we don’t see the hilt attached at his side while he’s pulling Vader to the shuttle (as you’d expect, since he did toss it away), but then it suddenly reappears at the end celebration. So which is it?

I’d rather not see it again after he throws it. It’s such a symbolic moment and it’s ruined if we see that he ran back to rummage around and find it again.

Totally, I’m with you there.

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Probably better not to have any tidbits about VIII mentioned in here, ZeeverFett, no matter how small.

About Luke’s saber, though, after he tosses it away in front of the Emperor, we don’t see the hilt attached at his side while he’s pulling Vader to the shuttle (as you’d expect, since he did toss it away), but then it suddenly reappears at the end celebration. So which is it?

All I will say about VIII here is, hopefully his missing/reappearing hilt can be corrected in ROTJ:R based on whether or not we see it again in VIII.

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ray_afraid said:

I don’t think these flipped shots were being pointed out as needing to be flipped back, but that certain elements in the shots can be corrected.

Exactly, that’s how I interpreted it also.

jarbear said:

If Addy was to keep the flipped shots, I assume he would correct all those errors. The birth mark would be easy enough, some of the other ones though would take some more time and precision.

Yep, I agree. It’s clear with ESB:R that he is wanting to fix any of these kinds of inconsistencies where possible, no matter how large or small 😃

@Tantive, Good work! I think these are definitely worthwhile for this thread, and Ady can sort out which ones can or cannot be corrected. You already brought something up that I didn’t notice before 😉

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Okay then, things apparently got a bit out of hand up there…

To bring this back on topic, I guess now is as good as any to throw in my 2 cents about the camo/white armor debate from earlier.

I was initially in favor of the idea with some kind of camouflage armor for (most of) the Imperials on the moon of Endor. This is the concept art that got me completely on board with it:
camo

For camo, I thought the above image displays it quite subtly. It’s not in your face with several, vibrant, earthy colors, but it’s enough to serve its purpose. It makes sense, after all, that they’d have something to help hide themselves in the forest. It also goes along with the Empire having multiple armor designs for designated roles/locations, including the shoretroopers (I know, I noticed there are some differing opinions about them, but I liked them just fine).

However, people here not wanting them to have camo armor have made several good points, and for sure I’d agree with most of those points I’ve read. In addition, I’d also add another con with having camo for Imperials: There must be a distinguishable difference between the Rebels (who already do have camo) from the Imperials, otherwise I can see it getting confusing in certain instances for the audience.

But, here’s an alternative idea I haven’t seen brought up here yet: what about introducing the shadow troopers?
shadow
These guys have armor like your standard stormtroopers, so no alterations to the armor is needed, except they are black (or I’ve sometimes seen very dark gray). Could be relatively easy, too, to adjust the hue of the originally white armor in an editor (for sure easier than adding camo frame-by-frame). Then for shooting extra scenes during the battle, most of the extra Imperial troopers could possibly already be wearing this type of armor; I’m sure there are many good ones out there created by fans.

I just love the idea of there being a visual difference from the standard stormtroopers and the Emperor’s “best troops” (assuming his dialogue is left as is, and not condensed to be "An entire legion* of troops awaits them). If Krennic has his death troopers, I believe the Emperor would have certainly hand-picked a selection of “best” soldiers to have custom armor too.

So with this idea for having shadow troopers, A) the black (or very dark gray) will hide them a lot better in a forest environment than white (which was the reason for suggesting camo to start with), B) keeps true with the Empire having primarily white/black armor (which goes along with those who made points against camo armor), and C) of course it would add that extra element of ‘badass’ during the battle.

With that in mind, I believe there should still be some regular white scout/stormtroopers on the moon. Could actually be very interesting to see ordinary stormtroopers being overshadowed (pun not intended) by the prowess and aggressiveness of the Emperor’s “shadow troopers”.

(*) This has been brought up before long ago, but should the Emperor say “legion”? Instead should it be just “garrison” perhaps? Legion sounds overly large, unless of course he was purposefully exaggerating to Luke in hopes of getting him riled up any way possible - If so, I’d buy that for a dollar. So I guess I could go either way about this.

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SilverWook said:

Much to my surprise there is a Palpatine shuttle paint job already in existence.

Ooh, nice find. I’d like that over the standard white, but maybe if it had some royal red trim?

Although, I think my first vote would go to a shuttle different from the Lambda-class altogether, like what Palpatine had in ROTS, only with some subtle design/color changes. I know, people often don’t want anything from the PT to be injected in the OT (it’s something George would do, etc.) 😉 but with an open-mind, I thought his ROTS shuttle was one of those things that were actually just fine, and it makes sense the Emperor would have something that’s more unique in design and his own.

And if the Emperor did have something different, what if Vader then had that black Lambda shuttle up above? Something that is clearly marked differently from the other commanders’ shuttles? Or is that taking it too far?

In retrospect, I would’ve really liked it for Krennic to have had a standard white lambda shuttle and Vader to have Krennic’s shuttle 😃

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Mac's Wishlist Of Ideas/Suggestions For Improving RETURN OF THE JEDI
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Thank you so much for your kind and supportive words, nhoj3 😄 I’m happy you managed to find time to read it! Right away I could tell you were another person here whose ideas and thought process I’d greatly value, and that’s why I was hopeful you might see what you thought about this 😃

You and others are right, there are ideas in there I admit would be over-reaching and very, very difficult to accomplish (borderline impossible), on top of being controversial too, such as inserting a brand new actor as Madine and shooting whole new shots with him at the helm of his own cruiser, etc… but then there’s always smarter people than I who come along and say, “Well, there is no way that can work exactly in that way, but how about this alternative?” 😃 That’s what I’m hoping for, for this to be helpful and inspirational to Ady or anyone who reads it, and my mind would be blown by the sheer genius if they manage to pull much of these off. Like you said, I didn’t want to hold back with ideas, because no matter how difficult or controversial they may be, there’s no way of knowing for sure what can or cannot be done or what other ideas it might influence 😉

Regarding the lookalikes and voice impersonators, if the interest was there, that actually might not be so difficult. I think that’s how Ady initially found a Darth Vader for ESB:R, was through Facebook? I’m pretty sure he still has a fellow with an authentic 3PO costume too (and a great voice). Putting out a call for certain parts on social media could always be a good idea 😃

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TV’s Frink said:

For what it’s worth, I hate this guy’s design.

He’d fit right in at Jabba’s palace, unfortunately.

That’s it, one quarter portion for you then 😉

It’s interesting to me, though, you think that poorly of him. I actually appreciated his design probably because I saw it as an attempt to be the “mediator”, if you will, for the better designs and the poorer ones that have been created in SW. I guess I wasn’t bothered either because I thought the personality of his character was interesting too. But I realize this is a whole 'nother topic for another thread.

So to bring this back on track, Ady’s skills at digital enhancements (like what they did for Unkar Plutt and what he did for the cantina) is of course the way to go for enhancing many of the background puppets in Jabba’s palace 😃

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It’s perfectly fine to have the “bad looking puppets” in the background of shots (that is if the shot is important to keep to begin with), but it’s when they are frequently and unnecessarily brought up to the foreground as they are seen laughing, that’s when their costuming stands out and it just looks silly. So yeah, with nostalgia aside, these certain close-up shots can be removed without tarnishing the quality of the scene 😃

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NeverarGreat said:

The view of many people on this forum is that there’s something wrong with the Jabba’s palace sequence. It’s more open to debate as to what, exactly, is the culprit, but there are plenty of candidates which have been suggested in the past:

-There are too many poorly designed muppets
-The plan makes little to no sense, or if it does it relies too much on luck (or the Force)
-The palace sequence drags on too long
-There’s a musical number that serves no narrative function
-Characters (such as Boba Fett) are poorly defined or (in the case of Han Solo) overly quippy.
-The palace seems at times like a heavily defended fortress and other times like the Mos Eisley cantina in terms of security
-The action and effects, especially on the sail barge, are stodgy.

The last time I marathoned the entire trilogy, it was abundantly clear that there was something wrong with ROTJ compared to the previous installments. From the first act to the last, I was continually disappointed in how little of the film really resonated. I have faith that Adywan can solve much of the stodgy action and effects on the sail barge, but believe that the problems with the palace sequence go beyond superficial fixes and require editorial changes.

The reason I chose the Wookiee scene to cut is that the scene is really emblematic of the problems in this section of the film. To sum up the scene, Leia is apparently able to bring a high explosive and an uncuffed, violent Wookiee twice her size into Jabba’s audience chamber, no questions asked. It really takes the threat out of Jabba’s security if anyone dressed like a bounty hunter can get in and threaten his life with no repercussions. Even How It Should Have Ended made fun of the thermal detonator.

This, all of this. I see we’re definitely on the same page, NeverarGreat, in terms of what things can be handled better about the Jabba sequence (assuming you agree with that list you just typed), but it seems it’s just how it can be improved is where we differ. I’m still not at all convinced that having Leia be involved with bringing in Chewie is a good idea/plan. I totally do understand your reasoning with your suggestion, it’s just I’d much prefer to steer away from having her giving up Chewie. Her motivation in doing this (based on just your dialogue as it is) would not be deduced to those who aren’t here reading about it, and so it would confuse most audience members because, really, how could there be no other possible way for her to get in without sacrificing Chewie? You never surrender one of your friends in hopes of getting another, otherwise you’re back at square one (or as it turns out, in a worse scenario)! That’s what I hated about this sequence originally.

Plus, you mentioned that the dance sequence serves no narrative purpose, which I totally agree and hope that gets removed too (unless Ady wanted to do a condensed, hybrid of the SE and OUT shots featuring just the dancers with new music [tribal drums/Japanese Taiko-esque] and moved to the intro of Jabba - that I’m completely cool with), and so if that were totally removed, where else would your short scene fit?

So, ideally, I’m of the opinion that the sequences would work best as: Torcher chamber (I know many don’t like this but it’s actually needed to establish the jobs that the droids will be given), then after that a wipe to an establishing, scenic, night shot of the palace outside (without a distracting frog slurping up some thing), then it continues with the shots of Leia sneaking around inside the palace (we don’t have to know it’s her before she takes off the mask either; although, prior to this, a shot of her in disguise that establishes that she is already inside, just like Lando is, would be a good idea).

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NeverarGreat said:

.Mac. said:

NeverarGreat said:

.Mac. said:

Do we need to see Leia gain admittance though? Just like with Lando, we didn’t see how he got in; he just is already in, which could work the same for Leia also.

Right, with this idea Leia is already in the palace and has probably been there for a while.

If she has already been in for a while, then that tells me she was already accepted, and so then it still makes zero sense for her to surrender Chewie for no apparent benefit. I understand what you were going for with the idea, but we don’t need to see her get the “You go girl” nod from Fett. My point is she could’ve already been accepted in by Fett and everyone else, just as Lando was.

Also with the removal of this whole scene, we then won’t have to worry about seeing Lando pulling down his disguise and essentially telling the audience, “Hey it’s me guys!”

It doesn’t make sense that she would have been accepted like Lando. Lando was a known scoundrel. It’s reasonable to believe that he would have the cred to be accepted into Jabba’s service as someone who recently lost their gig as a city administrator and has fallen on hard times. Leia, on the other hand, is instantly recognizable as a former senator and member of the Rebellion. There’s no way she’d be accepted sight unseen without a really good disguise and plausible Bounty Hunter credentials. Enlisting Boba Fett to help ‘capture’ Chewie solves this problem. Chewie is her price of admission, even if it’s inconvenient later on.

I like your idea but also think it’s making this more complicated than it needs to be 😃 because there’s no way you’d be able to explain that notion to the audience; they are still just seeing her giving up Chewie. Let’s just expect that the palace doesn’t actually know it’s Lando in disguise, and just the same they don’t know that is is Leia as Boushh. How she got in, it may have been different than Lando’s method, sure, but we don’t have to see how. Besides, how would they confirm if it was Lando or not? Did he have to take off his helmet and say, “Yeah it’s me.”? If so, then wouldn’t Leia also have to take off her mask and explain, “No, I’m not actually Princess Leia. I get that a lot, though.”?

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NeverarGreat said:

.Mac. said:

Do we need to see Leia gain admittance though? Just like with Lando, we didn’t see how he got in; he just is already in, which could work the same for Leia also.

Right, with this idea Leia is already in the palace and has probably been there for a while.

If she has already been in for a while, then that tells me she was already accepted, and so then it still makes zero sense for her to surrender Chewie for no apparent benefit. I understand what you were going for with the idea, but we don’t need to see her get the “You go girl” nod from Fett. My point is she could’ve already been accepted in by Fett and everyone else, just as Lando was.

Also with the removal of this whole scene, we then won’t have to worry about seeing Lando pulling down his disguise and essentially telling the audience, “Hey it’s me guys!”

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Possessed said:

Even if it doesn’t make it any more sensible, removing the scene of chewie being captured would be a good thing just because it’s so awful.

doubleofive said:

I guess seeing Chewie for the first time emerging from the shadows would be pretty cool.

To both: exactly right 😃

Still doesn’t explain why you would jail the two famous smugglers in the same cell…

Are Gamorrean guards supposed to be smart? I never got that impression 😄

JEDIT: Or perhaps the guards were tired of cleaning up any mess after other cell mates would shred each other apart, and since they figure Chewie and Han at least get along with each other, that’s less clean-up? Lol, who knows, but this is an example for when it’s applicable to use the imagination since it doesn’t need to be explained why.

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doubleofive said:

But seriously, you shouldn’t have to sit with people watching your edit and saying “Luke just finished reading Obi-wan’s journals, but Leia and Lando have been reporting to him in the meantime.”

That’s where the new dialogue from 3PO would be handy… Not all has to be explained, of course. The audience is capable of connecting the dots when given just the right amount of info 😉

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Jani-wan said:

ray_afraid said:

Is there any way to make the rescue plan make sense?

Can’t think of any.
It is a mess.
But I don’t think there is anything you can do, without reshooting this part of movie.

I believe it is certainly possible to improve it. It requires a little bit of imagination (as some cases are with Star Wars), but the most important step, as I’ve already suggested before, is to remove that scene of Leia/Boushh bringing in Chewie. Scenes like this, which deviate too long from the plot, unnecessarily drag on the overall sequence with Jabba anyway. So with nostalgia aside, it would work better to have both Lando and Leia already in the palace in their disguises, who have infiltrated and are learning what they can about Jabba and his palace; they would theoretically be reporting back to Luke when possible. It should then be inferred that Chewie gets captured some other (not important enough to know how) way. It’s when Luke hears about or senses Chewie’s capture (and likely sensed Leia’s too) that he sends the expendable droids (even if he still cares for them) in hopes it will buy time to complete what he needs to do before finally arriving and settling the situation himself. I’ve suggested before that he could be finishing reading Ben’s journals, which is a good enough reason why A) he was able to build a new lightsaber and already put it in R2, B) how he seemed to have gained significant wisdom since ESB, and C) why he wasn’t there with the others at the beginning of the rescue. Then, lastly, it would be helpful if there could possibly be some new, small bits of expository dialogue between 3PO and R2 while they journey to the palace, so the audience understands the (aforementioned) current situation better (again, I already suggested before some potential lines).

I doubt that the rescue sequence could ever be made to make perfect sense, with the limitation of available footage, but with certain changes and the imagination, it sure can make better sense 😃

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nhoj3 said:

My previous post proposing a revised crawl abandoned the idea of front loading the Dagobah scenes. Check it out and let me know what you think!

I did read it and thought that was actually a damn good, well-worded crawl 😃 Far better than what I came up with while I brainstormed this concept long ago. I also felt this was the best possible way to have it so Luke meets with Yoda again before ROTJ, to have it worded as such in the crawl (which can then keep the proposed scenes in their original places), but, just as you admit: Why did Luke wait to ask “the big question”… that’s the exact question that held me back from going along with it completely. It makes no sense to me that Luke wouldn’t be asking that pressing question while he is being trained again. Or, as already discussed earlier, some people here can interpret it that he did already ask and Yoda kept refusing to answer until the time of his death bed - I just cannot find a way to buy that logic either. Yoda, at this point, is now fully aware that Luke was told and has zero reason to continue holding back the truth from him. While it was absolutely a worthwhile idea to consider, those are my reasons why I abandoned that.

I’m curious, nhoj3, did you catch my previous post that explains an alternate idea for how Luke could have learned what he knows, from discovering journals at Ben’s hut? What are your honest thoughts on that? For that matter, have you read my ROTJ wishlist (linked in my sig)? You strike me as somebody who would enjoy a big read 😄 And so you know where I’m coming from concerning ROTJ, if you didn’t already.

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ChainsawAsh said:

The ordering of scenes I proposed, in my opinion, won’t completely kill the pacing, especially if you remove - or dramatically shorten - the Obi-Wan scene. I think it also helps to streamline the convoluted rescue attempt plot. It would be a slightly slower opening for a SW movie, but I think it might work. I’m considering doing a quick and dirty edit using that structure myself just to see how it works pacing-wise.

You’d for sure have to include the bit about Luke realizing who exactly Leia is, though, otherwise it would be way out from left field when he reveals this news to her. How could he have figured it out by himself? If you do put this together, I’d be curious to check out what you had in mind if you want to share it 😃

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JARUS5 said:

The only element from rogue one I would like in a new hope is the Scarif planet as well as a better sense of scale with the death star.

I agree those would be great to see. If possible, though, I also think it’d be nice if we can catch a glimpse of a K-2 droid walking in the hallways of the Death Star. Could be far in the background in the hallways (to help fill in the void in some areas) while Ben is sneaking around, and/or one could walk past our heroes while they are in disguise and waiting for the elevator. I’m positive Ady already considered all of this 😉

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So, hypothetically speaking, if adywan were to move the Luke/Yoda scene to the beginning of the movie (and consequently the Obi-Wan scene also, since those two scenes are a linked package), aren’t you guys concerned about the pacing of the 1st act? It would really drag on then. That’s why these kinds of slower, talking scenes are intended for the 2nd act, not the 1st.

Also, where would Luke go after they all leave Tatooine? If he follows Han and co. to the Rebel fleet, can adywan convincingly edit it so he is actually with them during the briefing (and no longer shows up after the briefing is over)? I can’t see it. Or, if he still shows up at the end of it, where was he before that he couldn’t make it on time for the important briefing?

Again, I do think it would’ve made sense that he’d go back to Yoda for more training immediately after ESB, but given the footage there is to work with, I feel it cannot be done in a seamless way; not without re-shoots, which is of course out of the question.

I’m open-minded to any change in ROTJ if it makes sense, improves it, and can be accomplished (as I hope others are too), and so if this is somehow possible, I haven’t read/seen anything that sways me; I only see that it would unnecessarily cause more technical issues.

nhoj3 said:

Luke returning to Yoda to continue his training and admitting that he was wrong to run off half-cocked shows maturity and character growth. That makes “sense” from a storytelling perspective.

I like that and completely agree. And that’s what Luke tries to do, too, after he finishes rescuing Han.

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ChainsawAsh said:

I get that, but from the tone of the conversation (Luke’s inflection and Yoda’s sigh), I have no problem interpreting that as Luke having asked the question before and Yoda having avoided answering it.

That’s a fair interpretation. I can almost get behind that, except, I just wouldn’t want to think of Yoda as being a complete ass about the topic (any more than he has been for hiding the truth to begin with). It’s obvious to him that Luke already “knows it to be true”, so with the Loth-cat clearly out of the bag, why drag it out any further?

Just for fun, though, I’m imagining the chat between them could’ve gone:
Luke: "No, Master Yoda, I will not levitate a single pebble until you tell me the truth. I must know."
Yoda: "Drop the subject, or back in the drink your ship will be.
😃

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doubleofive said:

If Luke already waited 6-12 months to go back to Yoda, what difference would it make if he went back one week or the next? And doesn’t it make just as much sense for him to have resolved the mission he set himself on before returning to Yoda? “I totally failed to save my friends, and still haven’t saved them, so I’m sure you’re really disappointed in me. Oh, you’re dead.”

Luke can pick up things with the Force without having been trained in ESB. He has the ability to progress without Yoda.

^ This.

I’ll also include what I’ve said before from another thread:

.Mac. said:

I think this does make perfect sense from a logical perspective [to have Luke training with Yoda from the end of ESB to ROTJ], but, the dialogue that is said during this scene keeps it from working nicely, for me anyway. Let me explain why: It would be extremely odd of Luke to be training with Yoda for even a short while and waits until Yoda’s death bed to finally ask that most compelling question - the question that has been echoing in his mind continuously ever since Vader’s revelation. There is no doubt in my mind Luke would ask Yoda this question ASAP. Sure, it’s kind of odd he doesn’t immediately go to Yoda for more training, but it’d be even more odd if he did go there and didn’t ask about Vader right away. So because of this situation, it just wouldn’t work moving this to the beginning of ROTJ - it needs to remain in its original place. I admit, even that deleted scene of Luke finishing his lightsaber is rather cool, but it needs to remain as just a deleted scene [and it sounds like it can’t be salvaged anyway due to its quality].

I said more, including how then he got knowledge for constructing his lightsaber and how the plan for rescuing Han could make better sense, so for anyone curious can click my name of that above quote to see the rest.

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nhoj3 said:

I just don’t think that the Ewoks could put together the log traps so quickly and quietly so as not to attract Imperial attention (chopping wood, trees falling, massive logs being hoisted into place, etc.). However, I think that the rope traps are more than acceptable.

Oh, I also disagree that “one burp joke per movie is enough”… I think that number should be zero for Star Wars movies. Along with fart jokes or stepping in excrement.

I’m looking at you Jar Jar.

Couldn’t agree more 😃 Instead of the cluster of logs falling down, I imagine there could be a biggish, fallen log that gets pushed down a hill by some Rebel soldiers (and if possible, along with some Ewoks) which hits just right as an AT-ST makes a step and trips it (without the “break dance”).

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