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#286953
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***LeoneNut Edits***
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286953/action/topic#286953
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Now having done 8 edits and more planned, I thought I better start a thread of my own to keep track of them.

Previous edits can be found here:
Sergio Leone Preservations
Ridley Scott's Legend Extended

Have been recently finishing edits of two of my favourite films:

Michael Mann's Manhunter - Extended Edit
There exists at least four different versions of this film:
(1) Original Theatrical Cut - Contains some unique scenes and the only version with the infamous "blow the sick fuck out of his socks" speech
(2) Director's Cut - Released by Anchor Bay in 2001 in VHS quality, has many extra scenes and a unique scene with Will Graham talking to Dr Chilton
(3) Restored Director's Cut - A better version of the above but without the Dr Chilton scene
(4) Hybrid Cut - Anchor Bay mistakenly released this as a Theatrical Cut, a sort of hybrid of the Theatrical Cut and the Director's Cut, but also contains some unique extra and extended shots

Basically I've created a version with every scene and shot from all four versions, selecting the best looking source where appropriate.
Specs:
- Anamorphic 2.35:1 NTSC
- Dolby Digital 5.1
- Runtime: 131 minutes
- Optional Subtitles explaining the various different versions


Sam Peckinpah's Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid - Extended Version
Wasn't happy when this came out last year in a new version, though luckily the 1988 Preview version was included.
I have restored two extra scenes and some new shots found in the 2005 edit, and added them to the 1988 Preview version to make a more fulfilling movie.
Scenes restored to the film include Garrett visiting his wife, Garrett interrogating the whore Ruthie Lee. Extra shots when Billy goes to an outhouse and the raft scene with Garrett.
The 2005 version re-ordered parts of the film, and I have kept the editing as it was in the 1988 version (the one actually overseen by Peckinpah himself).
Specs:
- Anamorphic 2.35:1 NTSC
- Dolby Digital 1.0 (Original Mono)
- Runtime: 127 minutes

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19 Oct 2007:
Frank Miller's Sin City - Recut Extended Unrated Theatrical Cut
Have taken the extended short stories and recut them in the same order as the theatrical cut to make a more fulfilling version
Notes: The final scene of That Yellow Bastard Part 1 is still Hartigan saying "fair trade" before cutting to the next story. The extended scene of the ambulances taking Hartigan are at the beginning of Part 2.

Specs:
- Anamorphic 1.85:1 NTSC
- Dolby Digital 5.1
- Runtime: 131 minutes
- Single Layer

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1 Nov 2007:
Alien - The Hybrid Cut
Extends the Theatrical Cut with all of the scenes from the Director's Cut, except unecessary shots of the Alien watching Brett and the Alien smacking Jones cage.
Restores other footage:
- an extended scene of Parker and Brett working while Ripley radios them
- a scene of Ash checking out x-rays of Kane before the crew members come back
- a scene of Ripley asking Lambert if she slept with Ash
The cocoon scene has been moved to before Ripley sets off the self-destruct sequence where it really belongs
Specs:
- Anamorphic 2.35:1 NTSC
- Dolby Digital 5.1
- Runtime: 126 minutes

Aliens - The Hybrid Cut
This is the simplest cut of the lot, using the Special Edition version simply removes scenes of the colonists and Newt's family discovering the Space Jockey's ship. I actually like all the extended scenes in this version but dislike the whole Newt's family scene (I used to have to skip it every time).
I've kept the first outdoor shots of "Hadley's Hope" however as it gives a preview of the "shake and bake" colony.
Specs:
- Anamorphic 1.85:1 NTSC
- Dolby Digital 5.1
- Runtime: 150 minutes

Alien3 - The Hybrid Cut
This is the most complex edit I did. The basic idea was to take the Assembly Cut and change the cow birth scenes into the dog birth scenes from the Theatrical Cut. And also restore the Alien Queen bursting out of Ripley in the finale.
Changes include (using the Assembly Cut as my base):
- Ripley is still rescued by Clemens, and kept shots of the prisoners heading out to the EEV with cows
- removed Andrews typing the details of the crash, and the alternative footage of the prisoners opening up the EEV and seeing what's inside
- restores Theatrical Cut footage of the same scene, but removes them finding Ripley in the EEV
- restores the dog barking at the facehugger
- kept the scene of one prisoner and Murphy discussing the dead cow (died innocently in this edit), I liked the macho talk about Ripley so left it in. It ends before the facehugger skin is discovered. This scene was moved from where it is in the Assembly edit
- Restored the Theatrical Cut scene of Murphy discovering his wounded dog
- Theatrical Cut footage of the dog birth scenes replacing the cow birth scenes
- Restored the tune Murphy sings in the Theatrical Cut and calling for his dog, before he dies
- Restores scene of David (Pete Postlethwaite) getting confused as to what to do "This was HER idea".
- Adds back shot of 85 wiping steam from the mirror while he waits for the rescue team
- Replaces Ripley's demise with the Theatrical Cut version of the Queen bursting out of her
Specs:
- Anamorphic 2.35:1 NTSC
- Dolby Digital 5.1
- Runtime: 147 minutes

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12 Nov 2007:
Re-Animator: Re-Animated
Have seamlessy added the extra R-rated scenes back to the Unrated version of the movie. Many of which were extra character development scenes left on the cutting room floor, while the gore of the Unrated version was cut out. Unrated version is 86 mins and the R-rated version 95 minutes. This edit runs a total of 108 minutes, adding 22 minutes to the unrated cut. Includes the deleted dream sequence as an after credits bonus.

Specs:
- Anamorphic 1.85:1 NTSC
- Dolby Digital 2.0 (original mono track)
- 108 minutes

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20 Nov 2007:
Conan the Destroyer: Serious Edition
This an attempt to make Conan the Destroyer (1984) a more serious movie. Conan the Barbarian (1982) was probably one of the finest fantasy films ever made. The sequel wasn't unfortunately, it was toned down to get a PG rating, and added too much humour in the process. Annoyingly Conan was given not just one sidekick, but three of them, and each has cringeworthy one-liners or silly moments. Also a whiny girl was added into the mix, and Conan is made more of an idiot.
What I have done is reduce the humour and jokes to the bare minimum. Removed much of the silly moments with Conan and deleted as much of the naive princess as possible. Other changes include removing a scene explaining the bad guys motives too early, an awful fireside drunk scene and the ending is much improved ending on a more sombre note. When the monster dies at the end, Conan now kills it before it collapses, making him seem more heroic. Altogether 18 minutes have been removed.

Specs:
- Anamorphic 2.35:1 PAL
- Dolby Digital 5.1
- 79 minutes
- Deleted footage extra
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Post
#280707
Topic
Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/280707/action/topic#280707
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Cool

Good to hear none of the edits are jarring
Problem for me when viewing is I still remember every little edit in the video and audio and it takes me out of the film.
I'll probably watch this again in a year, and see what I think then.

No problems having details of the edits on your site, in fact I thought you might ask
I will send you a more detailed list of changes I made, there's a few more subtle ones (especially sound fx) that aren't listed on page 2 of this thread

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#280334
Topic
Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/280334/action/topic#280334
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Hi
I'm back.

DarkJedi & Sean, thanks for the glowing reviews.
Good no-one noticed the edits in the music, I tried my best to disguise them.

Sean, do you still have a problem with the workprint version freezing, hopefully just a compatibility problem with the Dual Layer disc and the player.

ZakDrittz PM me and I'll sort you out some copies

Really enjoyed doing this one.

I'll be doing more edits in the future, need a little break for now


Post
#277174
Topic
Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/277174/action/topic#277174
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Ok this really is the final versions completed:

Version 1:
- Director's Cut restoring footage from the two theatrical cuts
- Anamorphic 2.35:1 NTSC
- Dolby 2.0 Surround
- Runtime: 118 minutes

Version 2:
- Longer "workprint" version (based on the version 1 edit)
- Alternate four goblins Intro
- Faerie Dance sequence
- Anamorphic 2.35:1 NTSC
- Dolby 2.0 Surround
- Runtime: 127 minutes

Unfortunately I am on vacation for three weeks beginning tomorrow, but some people will hopefully have copies in the next week or so
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#273899
Topic
Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273899/action/topic#273899
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Originally posted by: andy_k_250
That's great news - what is the difference between Version 1 and Version 2? I mean, which changes are in which?


Version 1 is the Director's Cut with as much material from the two theatrical cuts (US and European) added back as possible, see second page for a detailed list of additions (about 5 minutes worth)

Version 2 is the same, but with the Darkness/Blix Intro removed and the Four Goblins Intro put in it's place, and the storyboarded Faerie Dance restored too. Think of this as a kind of Workprint version.

I watched Version 1 last night again on my TV and it is still out of sync.
It's weird as it plays in perfect sync within Womble but the compiled DVD via DVD Lab isn't.
Hopefully I'll figure it out....
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#271996
Topic
Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/271996/action/topic#271996
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Latest:

Making very slow progress at the moment, a bit like writer's block, call it editor's block if you will

I definitely will be getting back to this at full steam in the next week or so, and finish it off.

I was a bit surprised when watching my Version 1 edit on my TV a few days ago. A number of audio problems: syncing, pops, cracks etc were highlighted to me, especially in the last half of the film. A casual viewer probably wouldn't notice, but I have to fix them as best I can.

I will say though the movie seems more complete with the added footage. If I find time, I may post some clips of more edited parts on YouTube.

I really love this hobby and have a number of movies I want to re-edit, more on that later
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#269800
Topic
Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269800/action/topic#269800
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Originally posted by: ZakDrizzt
Sounds great Leone_Nut. Good luck with your insurance. Any chance of posting the new intro on You Tube, when it's done? How much longer is the new intro compared to the DC intro. Are we getting nearer the 125 min?


Thanks

I might well post the new intro at some point, it's a still in a very rough state. The audio needs sorting, making the music seem more seamless.

I reckon we might just go beyond the 125 min mark, I will check tonight and report back.

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#269365
Topic
Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269365/action/topic#269365
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Just a quick update I have finished editing Version 1. There are some interlacing problems, which are present on the Director's cut, and Womble appears to show them even more while editing. I was able to replace most of the affected footage with stuff from the other cuts.
Will do a test burn and watch on my TV at some point.

Have already started on an edit of the alternative 4 goblins intro, kind of messes up the credits a bit, but not too bad. Have replaced shots of the goblins riding with shots shown later in the film of all four goblins. Not a lot of footage from the main titles is in the alternative intro.
So far it goes:
1) Main titles from DC up until we see Blix's feet.
2) Alternate Intro up until Blix's feet, cutting out any footage already in the main titles
3) Shot of Blix's feet panning up to his face from DC.
4) Alternate Into up until goblins ride off, with footage replaced from the DC of Blix reacting to the light ahead (some credits here)
5) Shot of goblin's riding replaced with alternate shots from the DC, with extra shots (with credits) of the Great Tree from the DC
6) Rest of Alternate Intro
7) When integrated with the rest of the film will fade to the sun and Lili after Darkness' line "innocence"


Oh yeah I'm feeling much better now, still waiting on my insurance to get sorted though...
Post
#269359
Topic
23.976 FPS to 25 FPS pulldown
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269359/action/topic#269359
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Originally posted by: Moth3r
However, I just wanted to add that the 1991(?) PAL VHS releases of Star Wars had something like this hard-coded into the video. Russ noticed the longer running time on the cover, and I had a look at a sample of his capture. Yes the pitch was correct - but the video was mess of interlaced frames and blended fields.


I had those, the first Widescreen releases of Star Wars on VHS in the UK, CBS/Fox did transfers like that all the time.
Predator and Aliens: Special Edition were like this also, terrible picture quality. They got severly critised in some film magazines and changed to proper 25fps PAL releases eventually. Buena Vista/Disney, always used to do this on VHS releases of their animated films as well.