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#261748
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Info: Hold onto your old Little Mermaid discs!
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Originally posted by: ZackR
I noticed the sound thing. I saw Mermaid in the theater at like 9 years old and have seen it countless times since...the new sound really bugged me. So I did a quick hack job and merged the audio from the old disc to the video on the new one. Nothing fancy or professional, but it works for me.


That was pretty much what I was going to do. My HDD is still over-run, which is why I hadn't gotten to it. Sorry for that guys.
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#257851
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Idea: Preserving STAR TREK - a preservation project?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257851/action/topic#257851
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Originally posted by: Spock
Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi
Yeah, the 40th sucks. We lose Scotty and recently Jane Wyatt (Spock's mother Amanda), and all we get in return is a poorly done "enhanced version" that's becoming more and more like Georgies by the episode.


What do you mean? They're not adding in scenes that never should have been in there or making the Gorn shoot first. They're just converting it to HD and sprucing up the special effects to make it easier for repeated viewings. Besides, the originals are still out there so I don't see the problem.


Check the official site. While they're not adding new scenes, they're doing far more than the originally stated cleaning up. Adding ships that weren't there, modding the looks of others, changing the entire composition of some shots. They're doing far more than sprucing up. It's not George's yet, but they look like they're getting there. I hope I'm wrong.

http://www.startrek.com/custom/include/feature/bst/tos-enhanced/tos-007/pop.html

Pretty big changes there.

As for the problem, firstly, they claimed they were just redoing the shots digitally, when they're doing more than that. Second, while it's true they aren't officially suplanting the originals, which version do you think's getting the HD release first?

EDIT: Though this is heartening.
http://trekmovie.com/2006/10/25/cbs-is-future-proofing-original-star-trek/#more-269

You can see more comparison shots there. Good to know that they are doing HD versions sans CG. Though it begs the question of why are they doing it then? I thought that was the stated reason. It seems it's simply a marketing gimmick.

I'd still take cheesey models over cheessy CGI (a lot of the new shots look about par for a video game, though others blend well).At least then we know we're looking at dated effects, and not average to subpar "we luvs CG!!" ones. I can understand doing it to keep the whole thing in HD, but this is getting a tad too revisionist. At least they changed the model, so it looks a bit more like the real Enterprise.

Granted, I did like the redone TMP, but that was overseen by the director, and 99 percent of the new effects were based off of the original effects storyboards. In the case of TOS, they've flat out said in inteviews that they'll change anything that "looks bad" time permitting. Looks of little unneeded "fixes". The Gorn blinking, agonizer lightning, a new chronologer. I'm all for adding a beam where they accidently wasn't one, but this stuff...

Interesting enough, I watched a TV Land marathon last night, and thought the video looked as good as the supposed restored version. I'm sure the difference is more obvious in HD, but SD, I couldn't see much of anything. I'm not even sure what channel it airs on here. I've had to download them (watched Balance of Terror side by side for a few minutes).

I got a few amusing bits from the marathon for the project. They're in EP though (I had limited tape).

Those bloopers look like the ones I have. I know I have the TNG one.
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#257587
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** The OCPMovie News & Releases Megathread **
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257587/action/topic#257587
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Someone watched my original Classic Edition, where clearly all the Special Edition stuff had been removed, and commented saying there was WAY too much Special Edition stuff still in there.


That's not in reference to my posts in the original thread, right? ^_^;; Good to know I'll be able to replace that disc with a better one eventually.


Strange how things work out. Good luck on the audition man. Hopefully, things will be worth it.

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#257454
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Idea: Preserving STAR TREK - a preservation project?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257454/action/topic#257454
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Originally posted by: Spock
Well a DVD of the TOS blooper reels has been upped on Demonoid. I'm not sure of the quality but it's probably better than the stuff on YouTube.


Thanks for the headsup. I wonder if it's the same as the one I have.

Anyone know if there's any way to find the footage I lost. Someone must've gotten ahold of the footage as well. It would remove a long standing regret. I can still see the footage in my mind's eye to this day. Especially the giant Enterprise cake.

While I recorded the Sci-fi channel editions, only the intros are preservable. The rest is on DVD. I found out recording a few episode I missed on the first run that the second run, as hosted by Nimoy instead of Shatner, contained different info. Had I known, I would've taped those as well.
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#256692
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Star Wars: REBORN - The Complete Saga (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256692/action/topic#256692
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The one on TF.n sounds much simpler. Mostly cut and paste.

I too am highly intrigued by this edit. While I haven't seen Godfather II (being meaning to), the whole possibilty sounds interesting. I am kind o curious as to whether certain SE pieces will be used. Namely the Battle of Yavin, Hayden's head, etc. The Empire trailer conirmed the new emperor it appears. I'm one of those extreme SE haters. Though I've ound them more tolerable in fanedit form. Something about the unofficialness of it.

Speaking of the trailers, they're highly impressive. The editing, and a lot of the scene choices work really well. Especially Ben's revelation, and the "You were the chosen one". Though I'm not sure that scene needs any exposition.

The use of new music sounds interesting. I assume great care will be made in keeping the sources not too obvious.

I'm definately keeping track of this one.
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#251271
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Info: Hold onto your old Little Mermaid discs!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251271/action/topic#251271
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Wow, thanks for the review Doctor M. I'm not one for reading reviews, but that definitely confirmed a few things for me and got me thinking. Note that I haven't had time to actually watch the DVD fully yet. Not even all of the extras that i bought it for. I did notice the audio though. I'm only on a 2.0 set up at the moment (dad screwed up my center channel), but can set up a 4.0 system if needed (I have a ghetto hand made surround system).

I did notice the reenforcing of the vocals. I've only watched Under The Sea at the moment. Like I said before, compared to my first release VHS, the vocals are heavily enforced, and didn't blend like they did on the tape at the end. I've long be an ardent believer in original sound mixes. I was quite peeved that they didn't include it here.

I also noticed that my TV didn't like the reds. Though I'm well aware of the fact that it does have a bit of the chroma bug, it varies from source to source. It hit the DVD bad, but not the VHS oddly. I still need to look at that Old DVD rip to compare whether any color correction occured. I just don't remember her tail being that green. I actually used to use the tape back in the day to calibrate the tint on my old TV.

As for anyone willing to do it, I might be able to. I say might as I've never done anything like this before, and until your post figured all I had to really worry about were some knees and what should be a simple audio switch. That. and I'm not entirely sure if this would constitute as a legitimate preservation project. I do love the film enough that I might be able to at least attempt this for experience. I'd need to clear more disk space on my HDD to fit a rip of the two DVDs first though. That, and look into how to do the points you've made. If anything, it'll help me gear up for helping my friend restore a fanfilm he made a decade ago.
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#250864
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Info: Hold onto your old Little Mermaid discs!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250864/action/topic#250864
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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
Where has Disney been sued in the past over such silly stuff?

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/minister.htm

On that logic, couldn't they be just as liable for changing the film, especially if they advertised it as the original version?

They never made such claim. Besides, aren't we all rather familar with someone who does change his films and gives no headsup on the release? I don't recall him ever being sued over it.

Snow White, Bambi, Cinderella and Lady and the Tramp weren't altered, were they?


To my knowledge, no. Disney has changed their films in the past to protect themselves. Quite simply, they're so large and high pofile, that several people have seen them as far game for lawsuits when they see them do something "un-Disney-like". Past exampes include changing a line in Arabian Nights deemed ofensive to some, removing cigarettes from the Pecos Bill segment of Make Mine Music as modern sensibilities towards them have changed and no one cares to think of an animated film as a roduct of its time. They were also sured over the letter SFX (for Special Effects) hidden in The Lion King that some kid read as SEX, and Donald Duck in The Clock Cleaners saying, "Sez you!", and people mishearing it as "F-ck You!". In that case, it didn't help that the spring that says, "Say I" sounds like it says, "May I?"

They're not going to sue Disney for releasing Miyazaki's films with all their "offensive" parts intact too, are they?


I'm sure some have wanted to. Disney's got a no-editing clause though, so they can't do anything, and,reasonably, not get sued for something they have no power over. Pom Pokko's been out for some time. I've heard nothing.
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#250489
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Info: Hold onto your old Little Mermaid discs!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250489/action/topic#250489
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Well when they released Beauty to IMAX, they did redraw some of the characters in the background. This was because on a regular sized screen, you wouldn't notice the lack of detail like you would on an IMAX screen. Since the Human Again sequence was put in, the SE has background redrawn to put the castle back into shape. This is were the branching comes in. Technically the whole SE wasn't released on DVD. To save disc space, the video reverts back to the original after Belle leaves. Basically the Beast trashes the place again after this.

So the original still has some SE elements, while the SE has some oiginal elements. I wonder if the SE is intact on the VHS release.

As for the aspect ratio, most animated films are shot open matte. Hence it was filmed in 1:66:1, but was intended to be viewed in 1:85:1. Hence 1:85:1 is the correct aspect ratio.

As for the Little Mermaid, according to IMDB, the laserdisc is 1:85:1. The old DVD is opened up to 1:66:1. THe new DVD is somewhat cropped down to HD standard 1:78:1

As for the tail, while remastering my be the case, I still think it's moe likely that whomever mastered it thought it was supposed to be more green and color corrected it. I still have to compare sources.

As far as I know, the DVD contains the film as presented in the 1997 rerelease. The video should be unaltered. The audio was remixed if I'm not mistaken.

I'm clearing disc space at the moment, and may consider going about swapping the scenes about. Anyone able to rip the original laserdisc for the audio?
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#250121
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Info: Hold onto your old Little Mermaid discs!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250121/action/topic#250121
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Well, Disney does get a lot of people on them with this kind of mentality. They'd rather remove the offending material than put up with a frivolous lawsuit on how some mother feels her kid's eyes were sullied by this "supposedly" family film. They have been sued over this in particular. It's ridiculous.

One thing I have noticed in the DVD is that I have played Under the Sea on my VHS, and have noticed a change in Ariel's tail color. The color for Ariel's tail was specially mixed at Disney Animation (it's officially named after her). It's a specific blend of blue and green. I noticed in the DVD her tail was predomently green in the scene, whereas the VHS was bluer. Now I know there's a difference in color rendition between VHS and DVD, but I don't think it would change the look that much. I know that all art since then has it basically as green, and it did fluxuate between scenes a bit. I doubt given that the VHS was from when the film was new that it's a product of faded colors. So I'm guessing they color corrected it to be more green in scenes where it wasn't.

I'll compare it to the rip of the old DVD I have.

I also noticed listening to the remix in stereo that they definitely boosted the vocals over the music. The VHS is more balanced in this respect. THough I figure this is partially downmixing. You just can't beat VHS for stereo. ^_^
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#249670
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Idea: an X 3 edit...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249670/action/topic#249670
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Originally posted by: Spence101287
how would you make cyclops not die? just never show him going to alkalie lake? perhaps he just leaves the school and never comes back?

but then there's a little bit of a logic gap. if they found jean, somebody would tell cyclops and he would return.


Basically. Have him leave, then cut all mention of him. His death had next to no impact on anything. Only Logan ever asked what happened to him. There's also brief mention by Xavier. So really, there's no point in it. It could've easily have been a major thing. In fact, it should've. It wasn't. So why keep it if it can be cut. Though I'm not sure if it could be done.

As for him coming back after they find Jean, I'd assume he just went somewhat out of contact.
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#249447
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Battlestar Galactica Saga of a Starworld fan SE. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249447/action/topic#249447
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Looks pretty good so far. I thought the overhead shot of Starbuck's Viper crash landing looked all but absolutely seamless. You matched it up to the old footage well.

A few suggestions:

The new battlestar needs a little something. I don't know if it's the lighting, but the rather nice design looks a little blah at the moment.

The shots of the shuttle and the Viper heading towards the camera are way too sharp. They'er entirely in focus. The camera focal point in mid range. That, and they're moving really quickly. Is there any way you can add some motion blur to simulate the speed?
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#249425
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Info: Hold onto your old Little Mermaid discs!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249425/action/topic#249425
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Originally posted by: Mavimao
That sucks.

I guess we have to be careful Disney doesn't see this film or my favorite film will see more than a fake erection erase:

Movie here


That was awesome. I especially love the use of music from the old Genesis game. I used to play that all the time.

I got my DVD a few hours ago. I've only sampled some of it. I don't really see anything wrong with the image outside of the reds not liking my TV (it's always had a slight case of the chroma bug). I keep saying I'll never watch the film poper due to my long standing loathing of the DVD format (I swore never to watch TLM on DVD though I've watch a little of a Xvid rip of the old DVD and, of course, some of this one). Though who am I kidding? I'll probably do it anyway, as I have calmed down about "DVD=EVIL". Though I'll still watch a cherish my VHS. I know I'll have to watch the audio commentary.

I'll actually see about get a rip of the old DVD to paint the knee back in. Shouldn't be too hard. I have to clear HDD space first.

As for the audio, I'm on a stereo setup at the moment, so I can't really comment. Regardless, if I do make the edit, I'll try hard to include the original audio mix or close to it. It sucks that they only included the Home theater mix.

wonder if any of the deleted footage could be salvaged. I know there's an extended Poor Unfortunate Souls. I wonder if it's the same as the demo I've got? I love the added lines.

[after, "Life's full of though choices, isn't it..." ]

Come on I know you need a little magic
And magic is my specialty du jour
Don't just stand there looking sick
Would I kid you, play a trick?
Like I told you I don't do that any more.

So I think you aughtta take my little bargain.
Yes I think you aught to make my little deal.
Yes it's sad to leave your life, but you can be a prince's wife
Why don't you let me take that dream and make it real?

Come on you Poor Unfortunate Soul!
Poor Child, Poor Fish.
Aren't you glad you brought your problem to a lady you can trust?
Won't you let me grant your wish?

You Poor Unfortunate Soul
Poor Sweet, Poor Dear
Aren't you happy that I'm ready with a potion and a plan?
Aren't you glad you came and asked if I can help you? And I can.
When a mermaid comes to Ursula, she always gets her man!
You Poor Unfortunate Soul.

Thatta girl....

Needless to say, if this were sung by Pat Carrol and fully animated, I'd definitely reinstate it.
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#249422
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Idea: an X 3 edit...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249422/action/topic#249422
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I'm still interested in doing one myself, but don't have the disc nor the experience. Still, I see nothing wrong with more than one person making an edit. I'm sure ADM has different ideas than you or I.

My priority would be filling out the rougth spots with deleted footage while removing some of the lamer stuff. I'll have to watch it again, but I'd very much like to remove Cyclops' death. It was a terrible waste of a character. Offscreen, meaningless, and only Logan cares? WTF were they thinking? I'd also have Rogue not get the cure. I'd make a few snips here and there if I could (like Magneto's, "What have I done?" total cliche and out of character).

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#249421
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Lensman - dvd preservation proposal (* unfinished project - lots of info *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249421/action/topic#249421
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I'd be highly interested in this. I have a friend that would be intrigued as well.

For translators, you might want to try some of the fansub groups out there. I know Live-Evil, Digital Panic, Hero Legends, and ILA all specialise in oldschool. ILA is a ripping group though so I'm not sure if they've got translators. I'm not sure about Hero Legends. I'd say Live-Evil or DP are your best bets there. Other great groups to consider are The Triad, Anime Kraze, Solar, Froth Bite, Lunar, AonE and NLA. All are the best of the best.

There's a fansub comparison forum here: www.anime-planet.com You have to log in to see it though. Lots of fansubbers frequent it. You might also be able to pique interest is Hongfire.com.

I could possibly be able to time the subs as I've messed with that before, but I'm no pro. I can't translate either.

I'll cross post about this on my friends website. Maybe he'll know something.