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#662036
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The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations
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Avatar_Emil said:

Doctor M said:

What is a Grimsby error?

Well, according to IMDb: Just before Grimsby uncovers Eric's statue, the shirt of a sailor behind him changes color.

Actually, it's the scene when Ariel and Eric depart for their tour of the kingdom. Grimsby and Carlotta are on a balcony, waving goodbye. Grimsby's hand is in front of Carlotta, despite looking like it was drawn to be resting on the balcony rail. Basically a layer issue. The Platinum corrects this and it's back in the Diamond (like it should be). This is one of the things that suggests they used a completely different print that simply cleaning up the Platinum master. It's pretty subtle.

Here's a good video highlighting what's been found. My peeves are the credits and the Scuttle fade, but the POYW error is inexcusable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXpk-YHH03o

Mermaid uses CAPS at least twice from what I've read. First when the carraige lands from the jump (note the non-spinning wheels due to it) and when Ariel runs down the stairs after being told Eric is getting married. Supposedly the rainbow at the end too. As for using it as color sourcing, think again. CAPS footage, like the cels, were painted with the film stock used in mind for the final negatives and prints. It's why Rescuers Down Under's BD was sourced from a print and not the CAPS files. They're NOT the final colors. Disney should be using film tests and color guides as they're source, not the cels of CAPS files. Sadly, most of the restorers appear to be unaware of this.

Also, the Bishop is still missing his knees, but the effect looks a touch different.

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#661845
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The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations
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Doctor M said:

I maintain these changes are deliberate not accidental.  Left in their original state, I think it would cause problems when viewing in 3D.

What disturbed me most is that Ariel is repainted to look like her grotto is in full daylight.

I am Flounder's sigh.

Disney has outright admitted that it's an editing error that occurred when splicing the film back together during the restoration and conversion process. Probably the same reason why the Scuttle fade is missing too. It's not deliberate, it's lazy.

Also, it's not so much "repainted" as color corrected and contrast punched. The DVd in the clip has a heavy red hue missing from the Blu, and the Blu is A LOT brighter. I'm hearing this release has a remarkable amount of untouched grain. Even the original Grimsby error fixed on the Platinum is back. It's source from a whole different print.

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#656269
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Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features
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Doctor M said:

@klingon_jedi - I maintain and continue to maintain that the Platinum Edition is a great transfer of the film.  The colors match the first laserdisc release.

To compare it to the Limited DVD release is a mistake since that series of DVDs is across the board awful.  It was a half hearted poorly managed first foray into DVDs.  I wouldn't need one hand to count the films they got right in that series.

Except for the knee edit and the soundtrack, since fixed in a custom release, there is no reason to doubt its accuracy.  Clements and Musker at least were consulted, which is more than we can say for the BD.

I can't imaging that the one thing they wouldn't insist on is the accuracy of the color of Ariel's tail.

 

Umm... no they don't. I'm not even comparing it to the limited DVD nor  did I ever say I did. I own both the 1990 Laserdisc and the 2006 DVD. The colors are are often drastically different. It may error closer to the 90, and it may match it moreso than the 98 and first DVD (which I've never seen), but they do not match in any of the shots I've compared. Ariel's tail is outright green in almost every shot I've looked at on the DVD. It's blue-green on the 1990. I used to set the tint on my TVs to her tail when I was young. The film should be red and blue, the Platinum is basically orange/pink and green to me.  The knee edit, botched soundtrack, and often vastly different color timing all combine to make the Platinum all but unwatchable for me. My laser is actually messed up at Under the Sea, and I still watch it over that DVD. What I've seen of the new BD is a lot closer to the LD though I'm sure it won't match it either. Still, it was looking more promising that some of the last few.

Your own write up supports me too. ^_^

Also, anyone know if the knee is back? I somehow doubt it.

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#656033
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Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features
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Hoping that they fix the issue with Part of Your World at least, since this is otherwise looking like a solid improvement over the awful platinum release. As has been pointed out - Ariel's tail is Ariel again and not green.

 

Concerning Sleeping Beauty, I do believe the 1997 and 2003 editions are actually one and the same. I own the widescreen 97 VHS which trumpets it as "Fully Restored". I believe the 2003 featurette is actually a laserdisc extra from the 97 release seen here - http://www.disneyinfo.nl/laserdiscdetail.php?film=739

The 2003 just used the same restoration as none of it's packaging claims it to be new. Though i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't tweaked a bit. I remember renting it years back and noting how similar it was.

I'm told the 08 tends to follow the colors of the 87 transfer, but does have an odd number of issues unique to itself; mainly the green glow on Aurora, the changes in her Briar Rose garb from shot to shot, and the the bright floor when she's revealed unconscious. I've also heard conflicting things from animators. When I asked Ron Dias about it, he said the BD was wildly inaccurate, but I'm forever unsure if he was aware that the restoration wasn't the 97 version. Sadly, I'll now never be able to discuss it further with him like I'd wanted to. Another animator claims the BD is the closest it has ever been.

Amusingly enough, they've announced the Diamond release for next year and stated it will feature yet another full restoration. How many times can you fix a film in so many years?

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#634907
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Sci-fi Channel Star Trek Special edition
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I have every single one. It was a big event for me. I might even have a few from when Nimoy hosted a replay once I discovered he wasn't stating the same anecdotes. Even labeled them "Limited Edition" since what George did was too fresh at the time.

 

That said, I currently have no way of backing them up digitally. Sorry about that.

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#619828
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Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD**
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George pretty much summed up my feelings on it. His Star Trek is also way more Wars than Trek anyway. Super 8 was more Trek (and easily my favorite of his recent work). If it means no more JJverse Trek, I can sort of support it as I'd rather him do Wars than Trek anyway, but both saga's having his stamp on them really homogenizes Science Fiction.

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#618628
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Macross: Do You Remember Love?
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skyjedi2005 said:

How about the remaster of Evangelion tv for DVD They added new scenes and dropped the old stereo audio in both the japan and English releases in favor of a newly recorded 5.1.

And discontinued the old cuts audio.  So those sets get collectors prices.

I thought the R2 actually has both. The Japanese are usually good about such things like on the Gunbuster BD (rerecored 5.1 with 2.0 original). It's usually when it hits stateside that subbers drop the stereo for some lame reason. I know both the TV and DC versions are released as well.

And also with Robotech although that was a hacked version of Macross they still replaced sound effects and music and a bad new 5.1 mix when the old one is on the out of print laserdiscs and dvd.

Only on the "remastered DVDs" which are horribly flawed in concept anyway. Little trick, turn off all channels except the center, and you have the original audio with a few of the left over new effects. The old DVDs are also a dime a dozen. Most second hand stores I've been to are overrun with them. ^_^

There is also the mobile suit gundam trilogy which usa release did not include the original mixes and only the incorrect new 5.1 mix, even with the multiple reissues.  They left off the original japan monaural tracks and even the english dub, bogus release even if the dub stunk.

 

The VHS release was the original audio, which is how I own it. I think a later DVD release did in fact have both mixes.

As for DYRL, I believe there is a fansubber trying to uncensor the BD. It's ridiculous to edit a film 30 years after it's release and after multiple uncensored releases on different formats.

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#617991
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The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations
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Possibly. If both restorations are 'wrong' in one way or another (and I certainly am starting to get the feeling that that's the case) the early version might give a hint as to what's right in each. As someone noticed, the BD has a lot of the same colors as the unrestored, but does differ. Looking at my tape (with the grain of salt given an EP recording off cable of course though you've got to love 80s well built tapes), the 97's green glow in the bewitching scene is exactly like the 80s version. Wouldn't be the first time I've heard of a restoration program assuming an intentional glow is wrong and removing it.

The odd thing to consider is that the 87 was likely from a print so it's likely the colors are somewhat off (just reading these threads paints what a can of worms this is when you start comparing sources, formats, and so on) while the BD was supposedly from the negative(with unknown amount of color correction applied). The other thing I never got was that in all the articles it's mentioned that it was filmed on three-strip technicolor which can't fade since it's actually black and white to my understanding. So why did it even need color correction? I'm sure I'm missing something there.

That would be an interesting find if true. Even if it can't be established which is more accurate, it might be nice to see what the BD in the 87 or 97/03 colors looks like for those that prefer them.

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#617797
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The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations
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Agreed, SilverWook. Audio faithfulness gets ignored A LOT, usually. What's odd is that it's not present in the other releases. So it's either clearer than ever, or they really wanted people to listen to the 7.1. It's even labeled "restored".

Also found the tape I recorded of the Disney Channel version. Haven't gone through it entirely , but there's a recording of it at the end of the tape and only the first thirty minutes. Hopefully, I recorded it twice, since that would be most disappointing.

 

EDIT Yep, recorded it twice. My guess being that I had noticed that the volume was too low the first time on the cable box so I tried again since it's pretty quiet and subsequently ran out of tape. Why not record over it is childhood logic. Maybe I left the tape running and it just came on. So I have an EP VHS copy of the 87 to humor myself with. Haven't watched this since i got the widescreen VHS in the 90s.

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#617795
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The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations
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That seems to be true of a lot of them. Though some were released way too dark to cover inadequacies. Well I kid you not that her hair lightens throughout the feature and goes back at the end. Whether intentional or not, it's there. Other than that, it's fine. Certainly better than the yellow cast that's apparently the "restored version".

"Now, I think we can all agree that Sleeping Beauty´s BD is the most accurate and was beautifully restored."

I take it you didn't read the thread? ^_- While it's easily not the worst out there, there's problems galore with the Sleeping Beauty BD. From hissy original audio and some shoddy DNR work, odd brightening issues to questionable color timing which the previous version is also accused of I believe . When you have at least three color timings for a film, each one with supporters and detractors as to it's authenticity, it's hard to say we can all agree that one is the most accurate based on apparently nothing outside of some similarity to an "unrestored" version. I know I certainly have my doubts. ^_^

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#617643
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The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations
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The SE was generally what the film has looked like on home video for most of it's existence. Looks like the BD does indeed have the Platinum's colors, where Neverland is so very yellow. A good article from the platinum's release can be found here:
http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s2242pan.html

I still only own the old Classics VHS where Wendy's hair lightened over the course of the film but neverland was very much green and the indians red.

Dug up a few articles on Sleeping Beauty as well. The first one shows off the odd timing issues in the forest scene on the 2008 restoration. It also suggests that the BD is closer to the pre-2003 look. It really is a head scratcher as to what's right. So I'm not even claiming the 2003/97 is more correct and it could very well be a mater of both and neither. I'm sure none of these releases probably look exactly like it did in 1959 nor would I imagine them to be. It's more a question of odd inconsistencies and drastic changes from previous releases. What color is Maleficent anyway? ^_^ The bottom one shows off the one that hit me the most, the green lighting on Aurora. It just looks really weird without the glow. What's interesting is that Sleeping Beauty's BD was actually the last Platinum release, meaning it'll be rereleased on BD in a few years as part of the Diamond series. Makes me wonder if they're "restore" it again. Three of the 4 releases claim full restoration (though 2003 was the same one as 1997 for the Masterpiece line, I believe). I've never seen the 87 version unless that's the one I recorded decades ago off the Disney Channel. Should dig that tape up.


http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/277032/sleeping-beauty-2003-special-edition-vs-2008-platinum-edition/

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/34969/sleeping-beauty/

 

It may be of interest to note that the Walt Disney Family Museum in SF is having a speaker (the same one that did all the interviews surrounding Sleeping Beauty's BD release too) on the 19th discuss Disney's approach to animated film restoration. The featured film of the month being, of all things, Sleeping Beauty. Anyone near SF able to go see if anything of interest is said? Maybe voice concerns? I'm two hours away, but I doubt I'll get to go.

http://www.waltdisney.org/node/959/0

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#614156
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The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations
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Doctor M said:

I never did color correct Little Mermaid.  I just matched the one second to the new DVD color palette.

I did see Little Mermaid in theaters, but I couldn't tell you which was more accurate.  The new color scheme really does seem a little better than the original which looked kind of crappy.

Supposedly, the people that originally worked on the film 'approved' the colors, but I think that's Disney holding a gun to them telling them they should approve what they see.

We're trying to get some distribution going on these films... if we can figure out how.

As far as Sleeping Beauty, odds are older is better, but you're going to loose the added image gained in the 2008 Platinum unless you do a lot of work color correcting the whole thing.

I'd assume the 2003 disc is the original color scheme based on the screenshots here: http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/34969/sleeping-beauty/

I know Disney has been messing with colors on new transfers, but I'm starting to think a lot of that is the change to a digital process is providing a more true color than the older photography processes allowed.

That said, I can't imagine the animators didn't know what they were compensating for.  It may come down to a matter of taste without original animators stepping forward and saying what's right or wrong.

I'm assuming that's what Ron Dias was talking about.  Did he actually SAY that the new colors aren't right?

I know you didn't color correct Mermaid. Ariel's tail just seems too green in the new DVD to me but I've never heard much discussion outside the sound mix. There has been complaints about Alice and Peter Pan and both Sleeping Beauty restorations and a slew of others. I think only Dumbo and Pocahontas haven't had their colors questioned of late. You're not the first to suggest that they may be more correct than before. I think i remember someone pointing out how one BD restoration was closer to the unrestored VHS than the previous restored DVD, as though they were correcting a past mistake. That's what makes these difficult along with those formats shoddy color reproduction.

I seem to have made it unclear that I meant the restorers weren't using the film color tests, not the animators. That's what Ron said. That they (the restorers) ignore the color tests and use the cels as reference instead and the animators (those still with us on the older films) are rarely consulted. He said they usually were unaware that colors would be chosen according to how they'd photograph. Yes, he did say the Bluray colors were wrong. My uncertainty was that it had just come out and I wasn't centain if he knew it was rerestored and color corrected or if he was complaining about the previous DVD assuming it was the same which I'd also heard claims of inaccurate color. This was a very brief conversation in the end at a meet and greet. Hence why I wouldn't know which to adjust it to, along with the problem of the BD having a bunch of new visual information. I do know that the biggest differences between the two are that the BD has Briar Rose's blouse constantly changing colors, and the glow is absent when she's being bewitched.

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#613724
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The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations
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bkev said:

Bump.  Just curious to see if anyone has taken a stab at color correcting the Sleeping Beauty blu-ray.  The quality in of itself is supposed to be phenomenal, but the color pallet not as much.  I'd love to see the movie looking as pristine as possible while also maintaining the original color scheme.  

The main reason I'd be curious as to this rather than watching the previous DVD is the aspect ratio.

I've long wanted to do this. Especially after talking to Ron Dias about how off some of the colors are (to be fair, it was a brief conversation, so I never got which release was supposed to be right, or at least close). He said a big issue was them ignoring the color tests and using the cels as source. Trouble is that i have no idea how to tackle this nor which version to base it on. Always have wondered if Ron could be of assistance on that since his contact info is on his website.

The added footage really helps open up and balance the film, and while I love grain, it looks marvelous outside those issues.

Most of the Disney films need major color fixing from Alice in Wonderland and The Little Mermaid to the travesty of the recent Cinderella BD.

I remember helping on the Doctor M Little Mermaid. Never did get a copy of that though.

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#604055
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Disney Acquires LucasFilm for $4.05 billion, Episode 7 in 2015, 8 and 9 to Follow, New Film Every 2-3 Years
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Call me torn as I'm also a huge Disney fan. So while i agree that it's odd to see George ditch independence, who he sold it too excites me on the possibilities. They've had a healthy relationship for awhile now, and Star Wars is already less of an oddity in the parks than Marvel is. The very thought of some Star Wars/Marvel theme park all but has me won over.

Like most, it's the announcement of new films that throws me. On one hand, I've not been all that thrilled with where the franchise has been going of late (don't really watch Clone Wars, hate 3D rereleases, and am way behind in the EU, only really the Old Republic franchise has grabbed me of late), and think that new blood will help immensely if there's to be new movies. I don't really mind Lucas approved scripts rather than complete control, but then I like most of the EU (at least pre-NJO). That video makes it sound like it'd happen whether Disney bought them or not. On the other hand, it sounds like they'll do what they did with Marvel and Pixar, leave them to their own devices. So again, not much different either way, just easier cash source. I also think they'll leave the fans alone.

 

Either way, I'm not sure I want to see Luke, Han and Leia by new actors, assuming that's where they're going. I also am not sure about essentially making it an endless franchise like James Bond or Star Trek.

If this does result in a none messed up OOT release, I really won't care either way then. Though, like others have pointed out, Disney does mess with the colors on their animated films a bit too much. Cinderella didn't even get a new restoration this year. Though if Disney is taking a handoff approach and leaves it up to Kennedy, I doubt it'll happen anytime soon.

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#540416
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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Pennsylvania Jones said:

thedaner said:

To me, the greatest joy will be to see E.T. released on Blu-Ray with the original version only (Spielberg apparently will not release the revised one, he said) as a statement to his good friend that you just don't screw with your original works. This, coming after the Indiana Jones trilogy with no CGI improvements or dialog changes.

Lucas will forever be delusional and never satisfied with his movies.  I could give a flying fuck about the 3-D versions of the Saga.

I'm looking forward to seeing Indy in Blu in all its unaltered glory as well.

I'll say. Especially after seeing that horrid CGI shot in a HD broadcast of Raiders.

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#536769
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Does anyone care about the 'extended universe'?
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I've said it before, but I wouldn't be half the Star Wars fan I am today without the EU. It kept me into it. I liked the continuing stories and the Tales books and so on. It gave the films an even fuller feeling universe. Yes, some books aren't too great (Planet of Twilight, The Black Fleet Crisis minus Lando, a good chunk of the NJO which practically killed my interest in reading them[I'm only 10 years behind]), and so much of the universe now aligns itself with the PT (not all stormtroopers are clones, dammit), but I still like a lot of them, and really need to catch up. I've already heard about the post NJO stuff already, and I used to be among the first to know, not the spoiled.

The thing about Lucas contradicting the EU is, and what most people fail to realize, is that it's written with the understanding that if Lucas decides he wants to explore the section of the universe you wrote about, whatever he comes up with will trump your ideas.

Yet one of the biggest kicks I got out of TPM was how much of the EU stuff actually made it into the film (at least the little known about it). Case in point being that I learned about Prequel central planet Coruscant from Timothy Zahn and others, not George Lucas. I still pronounce it the same why I read it when I was 10 too (namely with a hard 2nd "c").

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#535713
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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TheBoost said:

Klingon_Jedi said:

 

 

Amusing if so; I remember way back when advocating that as an idea to make Grievious a more interesting character that actually had some sort of meaning to Obi-Wan. Really they should never have killed Maul in the first place and had him in the General's role.

So TPM wouldn't have a pay-off, and a characters whose only appeal is that he's a silent killing machine would be totally transformed.

I don't see it.

 

Basically the idea would be to have a visible Sith threat to distract Obi-wan, wanting to avenge Qui-gon. Not to mention explain why the Jedi don't seem to notice Sidious; they're all focused on finding Maul. Not to mention it could've given Maul screentime to develop beyond the that.

Really, one of the minor issues I had with the PT was the lack of an overarching villian like Vader (himself only the main badguy in ESB but still a visible threat and figurehead of evil in the others). Sure, Palpatine's there in the shadows, but each film essentially had a "new Vader". Maul could've fulfilled that if done properly.

The Grievous idea is more about making him relevant than resurrecting Maul. As he stands, he comes out of no where, and is merely a plot device solely to separate Obi-wan from Anakin (he's actually my least favorite SW character as he's just plain boring and near pointless). Since that's ALL he does, why not give some greater drive to Obi-wan. It would basically be the fight after Qui-gon's death to another level.

Still

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#535390
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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Alexrd said:

Klingon_Jedi said:

Really they should never have killed Maul in the first place and had him in the General's role.

If they hadn't killed Maul, we wouldn't get Christopher Lee as a Sith Lord.

As much as I love Lee, his character really didn't get to do much, and got shafted in III. he could've easily done the same things in II as a simple rogue Jedi. You could've even merely had Maul skip an episode or support Dooku.

it would have added much-needed dramatic and emotional depth to Grievous' character (because otherwise he just comes out of nowhere), ESPECIALLY for Obi-Wan.

Precisely why I like it.

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#535358
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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Tobar said:

Woah that last one. Was Grevious originally supposed to be Maul brought back from the brink?

 

Amusing if so; I remember way back when advocating that as an idea to make Grievious a more interesting character that actually had some sort of meaning to Obi-Wan. Really they should never have killed Maul in the first place and had him in the General's role.

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#532060
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Overlooking all the problems with the blu rays( it's additions or it's unfixed problems) is the 1080p pq make it worth the purchase??
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lordsidi said:

Really? You think the pq of the SW bd's are terrible? I'm not dismissing your opinion,but the 720p bds of Empire and Jedi looked good. I'm a big Star Wars fan,always will be and of course I've wanted to see them on BD. I'm getting different opinions on the PQ ,still. I'd love to see 1080p screencaps,still.

What he's getting at is that there's more to great picture quality than shear resolution.

720p Vs. 1080p also has a lot to do with your setup as well. If you're watching on a 22" screen 10 feet away, you're not going to notice a lick of resolution difference.

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#531756
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What HASN'T been changed on Blu-ray-- the uncorrected mistakes of Star Wars
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Never noticed Luke's ghost. Thanks for pointing it out. The SE's are lazy as sin. They even use the same texture for EVERY X-wing in Yavin. I hear you on the plans; it was my favorite fix of Darth Editous' cut.

A few that have always bothered me: the band on Luke's X-wing. The set piece has a solid red stripe, while the model of Luke's Red Five has a broken stripe. Yet I seem to be the only one to notice this.

Also, anyone else wonder where Vader's shot went. "I have you now!", he fires locked on, the TIE next to him explodes, and apparently he missed, despite being locked on. Not really an error I suppose, but since we're nitpicking.

I can't believe they still won't fix the windows in Cloud City after added them. The SE is just so half-assed.

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#531308
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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bilditup1 said:

Is the NJO that bad? Is it not worth even starting? I tried to read Jedi Search a few months ago, and it was god-awful, piss-poor writing that I really, really don't wanna put myself through. If NJO is the same, I will not bother.

The Jedi Academy series seems to be hit or miss to some people. Vector Prime was good (I actually read it before the surprise at the end was publicized), Dark Tide was actually fantastic (though like I said, I like Stackpole and he develops the Yuuzan Vong well), it was Agents of Chaos that really sapped it for me. Took years to get through those books. Balance Point is where I am, which is shocking when I read that Vector Prime is like 10 years old. Though I hear those two are the low points of the saga.

So much has been spoiled now as it is (I know most of who dies), but I'll finish them some day. I hear Star by Star is incredible. I'd say at least read the first three and see if you can stomach AoC. They're not the worse Star Wars books I've read (that dubious honor likely goes to Planet of Twilight and the non-Lando segments of The Black Fleet Crisis), but they sure didn't hold my interest.

Here's the Radio Drama's take on the scene for those that haven't heard it (in a vain attempt to stay on topic):

http://www.youtube.com/user/StarWarsAudioDramas#p/u/1/0wcmlWE4o90

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#531268
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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bilditup1 said:

Splinter was boring. Heck all the old novelizations don't really do it for me, but if it works for you it work. Nothing has come close to Thrawn yet for me. Reading the X-Wing books now, which get progressively better. I think Allston is also clearly a better writer than Stackpole, and neither of them touch Zahn

 

I actually preferred Stackpole myself. I could follow his action scenes better. Though the whole X-wing series is my favorite after the Thrawn books. This whole thing's driving me back to them after The New Jedi Order pretty much killed it. I have Zahn's new book sitting next to me right now.

Radio Drama wise, they nailed Vader turning on the Emperor way better than this crap. It actually gives me chills.

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#530960
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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Diego said:

On another subject, I'm kinda amused by the reaction to the blu-rays, while the NOOOOOOOO!!! is indeed a horrible change and ruins the scene (and I swear it has to be George giving us the finger, why else would he add the most ridiculised moment of the prequels?), the movie was ruined long ago, it's no worse than Hayden's ghost. Or Boba's voice in Empire. It's strange that for some reason this is the last straw for some people.

This.

As much as I hate the No and think the others pointless, A LOT worse has been done in the past. So this is nothing new to me. So it's interesting to see so many fans unbothered by Greedo shooting first and then Hayden's head FINALLY following Vader's ill-got example and saying "No" These are pretty minor in comparison, and yet it's proving to be the last straw. It almost gives one hope.

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