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#1136410
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Lucasfilm's movie plans post Ep. IX
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NeverarGreat said:

“George always intended nine movies.”

Except when he “always intended” twelve. Or three.

So true. At various times George has also “always intended”:

One; twelve; nine; three; nine; six and nine again.

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#1136023
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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Possessed said:

Just watched it again for the first time in about a year. I still loved it. Honestly I wasn’t even bothered by some of the similarities to ANH. The only thing I would change is cut down on some of the humor and trim Kylo rens temper tantrums. Maybe after I do my eventual rotj fan edit.

My only problems with it weren’t what I wanted cut out but what I wanted more of.

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#1136022
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Episode VIII Discussion <em>NON SPOILER THREAD</em>
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oojason said:

Diversity, tolerance, culture and understanding was in short supply back in the 80’s - and seems a few European countries didn’t like the word ‘ninja’ in kids tv programs, and also cut some content too.
 

Wiki has the reason for TMHT as this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles#Teenage_Mutant_.22Hero.22_Turtles

(’…since local censorship policies deemed the word ninja to have excessively violent connotations for a children’s program…’)
 

So we had ‘Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles’ until 2003 (I never realised there was a difference or content was cut) - I imagine the reason why it wasn’t renamed back to ‘Ninja’ earlier was likely to do with costs etc.
 

Looking back, many kids were all out with friends or playing sport / music, getting into mischief etc - watching tv was for rainy days and kids who were being punished / ill / recovering from accidents etc (and computer gaming was for winter). I vividly remember the old girl bellowing out ‘be back for tea (dinner) and not before, and don’t be late either!’

Not at all like today’s youth.

Not me. My mum was constantly telling me how nice it was outside. Go and play some footy … blah, blah, blah. The TV would have to be turned off and I’d be pushed out the door, then spend the next half hour in a fogged out haze trying to remember how to navigate in the real world.

That was called a Saturday.

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#1135476
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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Humby said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

DominicCobb said:

The Starkiller plan scene is easily the worst in the film, but even then it’s still fun in a “don’t take this too seriously” kind of way.

What do you mean?

Random Dude: A weapon of this size must have some kind of thermal oscillator

Janitor: It does. (instantly points to a specific place in a complex holographic model) right here!

Oh, right.

Am I the only one who assumed that Finn working sanitation meant that he was stationed in the “sanitation unit” as patrol/guard, not an actual janitor? And considering these guys are raised from birth, they are probably educated to some degree in engineering.

No you’re not.

Am I the only one who actually thinks TFA has gotten better? I rewatched over the weekend after about an 18 month hiatus.

Loved it.

When Rey gets that saber … chills man, chills.

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#1088633
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Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers **
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BigMcLargeHuge said:

There was that scene with the rathtars and the smugglers confronting Han in TFA.

Perhaps the worst scene/series of scenes in TFA.

I really don’t understand this. How is this a bad scene? I mean sure the cgi is not the best but I’ve always enjoyed it. I love the “in ya face” to the Han shot first deniers.

And as for worst scene in the saga … seriously? It’s not even the worst scene in the movie.

/Johnny-come-lately-post

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#1046175
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Are The Prequels That Bad?
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imperialscum said:

Kellythatsit said:

Because of harmy I’ve been able to show my boys the OUT.

Unfortunately, a friend of theirs recently showed them the 2004 DVD Special Edition.

They now prefer that version.

That friend has been banned from my house.

You already showed them the OUT first and then later on someone showed them the SE and now you banned that kid from your house because of that? That is just stupid. They would see the SE sooner or later, whether you like it or not. Acting like a paranoid dictator and trying to censor things like that is obsessive behaviour. Ironically, reminds me of the behaviour of a certain person who did not want us ever to see theatrical versions again.

Umm…the comment about the kid being banned was tongue in cheek.

Apologies if that wasn’t obvious

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#1042469
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Star Wars moving forward without Ms. Fisher
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I think the contingency plan for TFA was basically if one of them didn’t come back none of them would. It’s why everyone was so anxious about whether Harrison Ford would be back, given his history with the character.

I’m sure a collective sigh was heard from Lucasfilm the day Ford agreed to return.

Still, that plan is kind of out the window now …

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#1038128
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STAR WARS: REBELS - New animated series
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Just saw the episode.

Where the hell did that come from?

After last weeks episode I was ready to throw in the towel with this series but this episode was simply excellent.

Sabines monologue during the final duel gave me goosebumps and heartburn all at once.

Now we have a three week break … After just taking a three week break … Why so many breaks?

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#1033923
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Star Wars moving forward without Ms. Fisher
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Mithrandir said:

ATMachine said:

Mithrandir said:

ATMachine said:

oojason said:

http://www.starwars.com/news/a-statement-regarding-new-rumors

"We don’t normally respond to fan or press speculation, but there is a rumor circulating that we would like to address. We want to assure our fans that Lucasfilm has no plans to digitally recreate Carrie Fisher’s performance as Princess or General Leia Organa.

Carrie Fisher was, is, and always will be a part of the Lucasfilm family. She was our princess, our general, and more importantly, our friend. We are still hurting from her loss. We cherish her memory and legacy as Princess Leia, and will always strive to honor everything she gave to Star Wars."

The fact that Disney had to issue such a press release at all is testimony to the public unease on this issue in the wake of Rogue One. If LFL’s digital wizardry has no qualms about zombifying an actor who’s been dead for 20 years, why should they show any (the thinking goes) about resurrecting a mainstay of the SW franchise who died unexpectedly young?

It’s just as unethical as acting impersonating someone who’s been dead for 20 years. Should we regard all the Frankensteins that borrowed from Boris Karloff the acting mannerisms and similar-inspired prosthetics as unethical?

No.

It’s one thing for an actor to take inspiration from another actor’s portrayal of a role. It’s another thing for CGI effects houses to use computers to recreate in minute detail the visage of a human being who is no longer with us.

One is a performance, the other a mask. Without Guy Henry having Tarkin in RO wouldn’t have been possible.

Gary Oldman recreating Churchill’s likeness by prosthetics isn’t just a performance, it is a mask.

If the recreated character existed in real life then it seems to be legitimate. If the character is fictional (which would mean his likeness is that of the actor who played it), within a well established continuity of screenplays that without a doubt constitute an organic unity, then magically it is not legitimate.

Peter Cushing is the only face of Tarkin we know. ROTS portrayed Tarkin with the very likeness of Cushing. TCW and Rebels styllistically recreated Cushing’s facial structure. It is only logical that in a movie set 2 days before SW77 Tarkin has to look as close as Cushing as possible. The state-of-the-art of that possibility is what we had.

Theatre is supposed to be as real as possible. That statement is the sole justification of prosthetics, voice impersonations, scenography, imitation performances, even method acting.

It is strange that no one scandalizes about ancient Rome’s recreation in Gladiator because that city no longer exists. You may argue that Cushing or Fisher are far different than things but within these movie Cushing or Fisher just are not there. It’s only their physical likeness what are there, and yes, their looks and mannerisms indeed are things, resources of the screenplay to accomplish the goal of preserving the illusion. That is even the actual justification for the likeness being a transable asset.

It’s just a guy wearing a sophisticated mask of Tarkin/Leia, no one is making a fake Peter Cushing affiliate to the Nazi Party or do something he wouldn’t have done in real, personal life.

Excellent post.

In my opinion it is more about its effect stylistically on the medium rather than ethically. The uncanny valley effect. Simply knowing an actor is incapable of playing that character as they appear, either through death or age difference, is enough to create that shift. Our minds tell us that what we are seeing cannot be real. Even if an effects company were to create a flawless characterisation of an actor, I suspect we would still experience the effect.

This is where it is important for a film maker to use this technology wisely. I feel that recreating Carrie Fisher’s likeness for a character as central to Star Wars as Leia would be a disservice to the film and the story they are trying to tell.

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#1033665
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Star Wars moving forward without Ms. Fisher
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Alderaan said:

TV’s Frink said:

Alderaan said:

Disney hasn’t done a single thing right in 5 years.

Oops.

I think you have some serious issues Fink. Disney puts out a statement like that about Carrie’s death and your only response is to continue to argue with other posters. Maybe one of the moderators should have a discussion with you about your posting behavior on OT.com

And yes, I agree with Tyrph. That was nice of Lucasfilm to say.

We’ll see if it was merely a strategically timed statement, or if they actually stand by their word.

If Lucasfilm do indeed intend to use Fisher’s image for future movies or even if they want to keep the door ajar, why would they make such an unequivocal announcement? Especially given there was no real need for them to respond to this rumour

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#1029940
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Star Wars moving forward without Ms. Fisher
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Mithrandir said:

ferris209 said:

I think they could beautifully write in Leia’s death to serve as a tribute to Carrie Fisher and an emotional sendoff for the fans for both the character of Leia and Carrie Fisher.

Don’t know how much Star Wars could benefit of playing with the fourth wall that way. Kilo being a Darth Vader fan that is shown in his intimacy speaking to a mask almost tore it down.

I hope they let Leia be Leia, and give the character a logical conclussion to its arc, whatever they decided it to be; and let us grieve Carrie in the real world where she belongs.

Agree with this. Leia is too important (and iconic) a character to not be given that honour.

However, if the way to complete Leia’s arc is through digital modelling then I’d prefer they look at other solutions. Whether that is tweaking of scripts for 8 and 9, or inserting unused footage from 8.

I guess I’d be open to a small percentage of cgi remodelling if it was used in conjunction with unused footage, was minimal and pretty much seamless.

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#1028946
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Can Someone Explain the Map to Luke Skywalker?
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The way I understood it in the movie was that no one knew where Luke had gone. Lor San Tekka is a kind of space archaeologist. Indiana Jones in the Star Wars galaxy if you will. Somewhere in his travels he’d procured this ancient map to the very first Jedi temple. When rumours emerged that Luke may have gone there, Leia contacted San Tekka to get the map fragment from him.

With regards to the full map, Kylo Ren says to Rey that the first order got it from the Empire’s data base but it is missing a fragment. My guess is that somewhere in history a Jedi or someone likeminded feared that the Empire would destroy the sacred site so infiltrated the Empire’s database and removed that section of the map so they couldn’t find it.

The resistance now have the fragment but are missing the larger map from which it was taken. Artoo however, is the missing part of the puzzle. Presumably, either when he had access to the Republic archives or when he was plugging into the Death Star’s database he was able to download the larger map and has been storing it since then.

I agree, there is a lot of speculation as to exactly how the key players got a hold of these different versions though. Maybe it will be one of those things we will be debating endlessly.

Looking forward to the forthcoming Raiders of the Lost Map to Ahctu : a Star Wars story.

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#1028653
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Are The Prequels That Bad?
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Mithrandir said:

Kellythatsit said:
I think you mean “I’ve been waiting for you Obi-Wan, we meet again at last.”

Similar but different enough. I wouldn’t consider it fan service though, maybe an echo or a soft reference to the earlier duel.

If everything, a strange echo. Who would greet his father that way?

That’s the point I think. Kylo Ren doesn’t see him as his father any more.

The whole kill the mentor thing was was quite a rehash of ANH’s moment, with the major flaw of a more dramatic scenario for a far less important moment (Jedi Anakin Skywalker, known as Darth Vader, responsible for the destruction of the Jedi Order and the implementation of a galaxy-wide tyranny meets his former friend and master Jedi General and hero of the Clone Wars Obi Wan Kenobi in a random fluorescent-lighted corridor in the Death Star vs. unknown Ben Solo kills his famous yet-muggle father based on an unexplained resentment due to the orders of an unexplained supreme leader in an expressionist bridge in the middle of an unexplained abysss which has a single stream of light that baths the character that is supposed to be good while the rest is in darkness. As much as a videogame scenario as mustafar, actually.

To be fair though you’d have to agree that when we first saw it, the initial duel between Vader and Obi-Wan had barely any of the weight you are loading it with now. In 1977 we didn’t know that Vader was Anakin. All we knew was from a short conversation earlier in the movie. Vader was once Obi-Wan’s pupil, he killed Luke’s father, he helped hunt down the Jedi. Obi-Wan was once a Jedi knight, he fought in the clone wars and he was friends with Luke’s father. That’s it. Vader’s motivations are still largely unknown, Ben’s history is largely unknown.

To say that the latter scene is simply a rehash is to completely misunderstand the scene entirely. Not only is it a pivotal moment for Kylo Ren’s character it also creates gravitas and a tragic depth that was not present after Kenobi’s death.

The death of the mentor character does seem to be a continuing device in each of the trilogies. Each of them though are significant, course changing moments. To simply highlight one as a rehash or some kind of fan service seems wilfully dismissive.

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#1028638
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Are The Prequels That Bad?
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The PT plus the treatment of the OT put me off Star Wars in a big way. I stopped watching any Star Wars completely such was my frustration (yet still saw myself as a fan). Then my two sons found some of my old toys in the garage and they began asking questions.

I was trying to figure out how best to introduce them to the movies when someone gave me a copy of the first few seasons of Clone Wars. I was sceptical and it took me a while to actually sit down and watch an episode. When I did I actually enjoyed them. It was what I had wanted from the prequels but never got. As the series went on I found that I was beginning to love Star Wars again.

Because of that series I can now watch the PT without feeling frustrated at the missed opportunity. Because of harmy I’ve been able to show my boys the OUT.

Unfortunately, a friend of theirs recently showed them the 2004 DVD Special Edition.

They now prefer that version.

That friend has been banned from my house.

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#1028557
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Are The Prequels That Bad?
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Haarspalter said:

Haarspalter said:

When Kylo Ren says to his father: [Han Solo. I’ve been waiting for this day for a long time] some of you might argue that this quote is clumsy fan service, because Vader said that to Obi-Wan.

Did Vader say that?

I think you mean “I’ve been waiting for you Obi-Wan, we meet again at last.”

Similar but different enough. I wouldn’t consider it fan service though, maybe an echo or a soft reference to the earlier duel.

This is actually the first time I’ve associated those two lines as having some kind of relationship to be honest.

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#1028502
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Are The Prequels That Bad?
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People talk as if Disney’s purchase of Lucasfilm is some kind of risk. That they have to keep a constant tab on things to make sure they’ll break even. It’s been demonstrated pretty resoundingly that a Star Wars movie is money in the bank. Even the worst of them made a squillion dollars.

Why would Disney do anything but let lucasfilm make movies the way they want to make them?

Do you really think any of the Disney execs are worried they’re not going to see their money back?

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#1028427
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Are The Prequels That Bad?
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JawsTDS said:

Kellythatsit said:
I really can’t believe that people are defending the prequels as decent watchable movies on this thread.

It’s as if people have opinions that are different than yours. Woah!

I know! What’s that all about? Don’t people realise that I rule?

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#1028404
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Are The Prequels That Bad?
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HP. Lovecraft said:

DominicCobb said:

I’m not sure what you’re referring to when you say TFA reuses dialogue from the OT.

referring to the millennium Falcon as ‘‘that hunk of junk’’ for exempel.

Isn’t that called a running joke?

What I think people seem to have trouble getting their head around is that TFA and R1 are largely getting the Star Wars ball rolling again. After the bad taste of the prequels, Lucasfim figured that people needed to be reminded of what made Star Wars great. New stories with interesting characters we actually give a stuff about, and give a stuff about each other. It also needs to walk that fine line between making it feel like a Star Wars movie used to feel and blatant fan service. Sometimes they got it right sometimes they got it wrong. The largely positive reaction to the films however, suggests that it was more the former than the latter. Critics will still use this as ammunition and cite any reference to the OT as fan service. But I contend if it were all about fan service there are a lot of things Lucasfilm could have included to get the fans drooling in their seats.

I really think that people are going over the top with this Disney = corporation = bad bs. Yes they are about making money but to do that they have to make entertaining movies. Kathleen Kennedy has a massive say in how these movies are put together. You know, the producer of such poorly received movies as Raiders of the Lost Ark, ET, Schindler’s List, Jurassic Park… She is helming Lucasfilm and is a highly respected filmmaker in her own right. While she ultimately answers to the Disney executive, her thoughts, opinions, and recommendations are highly regarded. There’s no way someone like Kennedy would still be there if they weren’t.

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#1027899
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Are The Prequels That Bad?
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I really can’t believe that people are defending the prequels as decent watchable movies on this thread. I’m even more incredulous that the same tend to then tear down tfa and r1 as poor movies.

It’s a strange thing this Star Wars fandom.

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